To All the Playa Haters Out There

[Professor S]

This is for anyone who has replied to a wrestling topic just to comment on how stupid wrestling is and how its "fake". This is not intended for those who simply dislike wrestling or even hate it, but keep their opiniuon to themselves:

You claim you don't care, yet you care enough to comment about how you don't care.

You get angry at wrestling and the fact that its popular, but what did wrestling ever do to you?

For some reason bashing professional wrestling has become a pasttime in its own right. From Bob Costas, to ESPN, to the general media, to some members in this forum bashing professional wrestling is evidently as fun as beating a sack of monkeys.

But why? Why is there such a massive disdain for something that is inherently silly and tongue in cheek? I don't see anybody screaming about clowns and how thats not a real car they're all piling out of after all. The PTC isn't going after Shrek and its obvious masturbation references (watch the scene where the king or whatever is having the mirror replay video of the princess over and over... then call me nuts for saying it).

So why all the hostility guys? Here are my theories:

1) Inferiority complexes. Its the adult equivalent of being a bully in school. You feel comfortable making fun of wrestling and its fans because you feel the majority of people make fun of and don't like wrestling. This makes you feel better about yourselves and more a part of the "group" because you have rationalized that wrestling and its fans are "beneath" you.

2) Emotional Scarring. You were once a wrestling fan when you were a kid, but you realized it was "fake" and felt betrayed. This is the equivalent of realizing that Santa Claus isn't real. The reason why you hate wrestling and not Santa now is because wrestling actually exists, but it is not what you thought it was. You have still not gotten over this and every time you say you hate wrestling and someone asks you why, you answer exasperated: "Because its fake!!"

Wrestling never claimed to be legitamate... EVER. The business protected itself well and never admitted to not being "fake". Its called "kayfabe"; wrestling's "don't ask-don't tell" policy.

So which is it guys? Are you a conformist coward or emotionally unstable? If you are the latter I have a picture of the Easter Bunny you can throw darts at.

If you are going to make a comment, make it something interesting. Explain your disdain for the business beyond a simplistic "its fake". But if your just commenting for the sake of bashing something you claim not to care about in the first place, please keep yourt opinions to yourselves and save us the bother of having to read them. After all, you DON'T CARE ANYWAY.

Thank you

*steps off soapbox*

[BreakABone]

Well very well said Strangler..I mean it gets annoying not just at GT but everyhwere. Especially IGN, like every other post in a WM x-8 thread was about not liking wrestling or it's games much. I just don't get the sense of it.

[nWoCHRISnWo]

I completely agree, it happens here a lot too. I'm willing to bet it'll even happen in this topic. Before it does, I'm telling you know: It won't be funny. It wouldn't have been funny if you would have, and now that I said someone will, it especially won't be funny.

And people say wrestlings games suck, yet they probably have never played one. And I also bet they like fighting games.

[Professor S]

It almost seems like a lot of people are afraid that if they actually watch wrestling or play a wrestling game, they'll actually like it.

THE HORROR!:WHOA:

And by "watching" I mean watching it with a clear, inbiased mind and not because there friend talked them into "giving it another shot". By the way, I recommend that all wrestling fans refrain from doing that. What happens is that your frien will sit there and point out everything that "looks fake" and constantly cry out:

"Why is he just laying there/standing there/bouncing off the ropes?"

It just ruins the show for you too. Hey, if they don't like it or can't appreciate it, its their loss.

[Jason1]

Well, you guys know my feelings about Wrestling. I do applaud Strangler for Admitting that Wrestling is fake, which is more than some people can do.

[nWoCHRISnWo]

Some of these people (Jason1) should watch Tough Enough, or read one of Mick Foley's book (the second one subtitled: "The Real World is Faker than Wrestling"), it'll really teach you how stupid you sound sometimes.

And why must everyone say it's fake? We all know it's scripted, and why should that take away from the entertainment? If it wasn't scripted, matches would last about a minute at the most, the biggest guys would win all the time, and there wouldn't be any moves. Just watch UFC or amateur wrestling if you want that. And I'm sure these peopel also watch TV shows like Friends or whatever, I wonder if they know those are fake?

[Jason1]

Friends! LMFAO!!!! AHAHAHAH....


simma down nah jason....

Friends...Doh!

[BreakABone]

Originally posted by Jason1
Well, you guys know my feelings about Wrestling. I do applaud Strangler for Admitting that Wrestling is fake, which is more than some people can do.

Wrestling is fake.. it can't be :cries:

But really Jason I think everyone on this board knows wrestling is fake. The WWF has never made no bone that it isn't all real, but you non wrestling fans seem to believe that everything is fake and scripted.

And I really don't want to go into this last time it turned into like 150 reply thread.

[Professor S]

Notice I said "fake", not fake. Professional wrestling takes an immense amount of skill and training. Every night the wrestlers go out there they literally put their lives on the line.

Professional wrestlers are routinely hurt, crippled and in some cases even killed in the ring.

To say that wrestling is fake... is assinine.

And why do they go out there?

Professional wrestling is the last bastion of a dying artform in our culture. They are epic storytellers. They tell the story of the battle of wills, good vs evil, the unstoppable force versus the immovable object. And as is dissappearing in our modern cynicism, the good guy always wins. And they do it three nights a week, in front of a live audience with little to no rehearsal.

Vince McMahon is Homer, and The Rock is his Odysseus (I have no idea if I spelled that correctly)

Jason, this is why I like wrestling, and why its your loss that you have some deep seeded, irrational dislike of it.

[nWoCHRISnWo]

Originally posted by The Strangler
Notice I said "fake", not fake. Professional wrestling takes an immense amount of skill and training. Every night the wrestlers go out there they literally put their lives on the line.

Professional wrestlers are routinely hurt, crippled and in some cases even killed in the ring.

To say that wrestling is fake... is assinine.

THANK YOU! You don't know how many times I've said that before you got here... Jason1 (I think it was him...) even once said "None of the things the wrestlers do hurt eachother at all."

I laughed for five minutes, at how sad that statement was, and how funny it was, then I explained to Jason1 over and over and over why he was wrong, and he just doesn't get it.

[Jason1]

I really dont want to get into this argument again, but since NWO is shoving it up my ass, I suppose I must.

First and foremost, I never said none of the things wrestlers do hurt each other at all. I know they do get hurt sometimes.

But, Strangler, you say every night they put their lives on the line? If you say that about wrestling, then I guess you can say that almost every sport, because a lot of sports are much more dangerous than Pro Wrestling. If wrestlers do ket killed in the ring(and I know it has happened before) It is some freak accident. If they get killed someone screwed up. That stuff isnt suppoused to happen.

[nWoCHRISnWo]

Originally posted by Jason1
I really dont want to get into this argument again, but since NWO is shoving it up my ass, I suppose I must.

First and foremost, I never said none of the things wrestlers do hurt each other at all. I know they do get hurt sometimes.

But, Strangler, you say every night they put their lives on the line? If you say that about wrestling, then I guess you can say that almost every sport, because a lot of sports are much more dangerous than Pro Wrestling. If wrestlers do ket killed in the ring(and I know it has happened before) It is some freak accident. If they get killed someone screwed up. That stuff isnt suppoused to happen.

No no no, now you're changing your views. In the past, you said that none of the moves the do EVER hurt eachother. I'm 100% sure you said that.

And what sports are more dangerous than pro wrestling? Compared to the amount of players/wrestlers, wrestlers are injured a LOT. The only sports I could see that are comparable are football and hockey, or something that is meant to hurt eachother like UFC or boxing.

But irregardless, you still view wrestling as some fake show that has fake bats and fake chairs and fake rings and they don't really hit eachother, eh? That was your exact attitude a while ago.

[Jason1]

My autitude hasnt changed. When they do get hurt, the other person didnt really mean to hurt him. Its the exact opposite of how its suppoused to be in sports like that.

Wanna know my opinion of the most dangerous sport?

Indy Car racing.

[nWoCHRISnWo]

What's your point? Do you think everytime a football player gets hurt from a tackle, the guy who tackled him meant to hurt him? For the most part, no, he didn't mean to hurt him, he just tried to tackle him because it's his job. In hockey, do you think everyone who body checks Eric Lindros is thinking "Okay I've got him lined up, now I'm gonna end this idiots career"?

And irony is damn funny, isn't it? You bitch about wrestling's injuries not being on purpose, but then you say how dangerous indy racing is? Do you think that ANY of the times the people get injured in racing it's purposely? HELL no.

So what's the difference between these and wrestling? In wrestling, is it not Undertaker's job to throw Mankind off a 15 feet high structure into the hard, REAL cement below? Yes it is. Does Mankind get hurt? Yes, he does. Therefore, while not purposely trying to hurt Mankind (just as in pretty much every other sport except boxing, UFC, etc.) he did hurt him, and it was obvious before he did it that he would hurt him. Yet, he still did it. So he did mean to hurt him, because he knew any man falling from such a height to cement will get hurt, in other words, right?

[Ridley]

*shakes The Strangler's hand*

That was a damn good editorial/rant/whatever you want to call it. I think it's really hilarious when people say "Oh they know how to fall without getting hurt". No, they just know how to fall without putting so much strain into the fall, but they DO get hurt. I would love for someone to watch Foley vs. The Undertaker, Hell in a Cell at King of the Ring and say "Oh he didn't really get hurt. He didn't really break his arm. Those thumbtacks must have had glue on the 'dull edges' which explains why they were stuck on his damn back" :rolleyes:. I would smack you up the side of your head if you did. Tell HHH, who just got back from a half a year or more of rehab on his leg that they don't get hurt. Tell Chris Benoit who has been out for months with a neck injury they don't get hurt. Or Steve Austin or Bret Hart or....or.. get my point? ;)

[Professor S]

jason,I ahve identified the diseased area of your thinking. You still look at wrestling as a "fake sport". When something has never claimed to be legitimate, how can you call it fake?

Professional Wrestling is not a "sport" persay, although it does have aspects of sport in it. Pro wrestling is performance art. It is a Ballet with Balls.

Think of it this way. With your thinking, you would never watch ER because the ER patients aren't really hurt. That doesn't make any sense.

As for wrestlers not tryin gto hurt each other... well DUH. WRESTLING ISN'T A SPORT. When Shakespearean actors have a sword fight, they aren't actually trying to kill each other are they?

Wrestlers protect one another in the ring (except for RVD:D ). They do that mainly because they realize that wrestling is their liveliehood (sp?). If they were always trying to actually hurt one another,there wouldn't be many wrestlers out there. But the fact is that no matter how well you protect one another, injuries are going to happen and they will happen often. Yes, they know how to fall, but that AIN'T a trampoline they're fallin' on. Its a very stiff ring with little give. The WWF ring is actually notorious for being one of the hardest. We have lost far to many wrestlers to pain killer addiction because of the constant pain and injury that they work with. HHH tore one of his quad muscles COMPLETELY in a live match, yet he still worked for 5 more minutes and was actually put in a boston crab AFTER the tear. Lets see ANY other pro athelete do that.

[nWoCHRISnWo]

Originally posted by The Strangler
Wrestlers protect one another in the ring (except for RVD:D ).

:D

[Jason1]

Originally posted by The Strangler
jason,I ahve identified the diseased area of your thinking. You still look at wrestling as a "fake sport". When something has never claimed to be legitimate, how can you call it fake?

Professional Wrestling is not a "sport" persay, although it does have aspects of sport in it. Pro wrestling is performance art. It is a Ballet with Balls.

Think of it this way. With your thinking, you would never watch ER because the ER patients aren't really hurt. That doesn't make any sense.

As for wrestlers not tryin gto hurt each other... well DUH. WRESTLING ISN'T A SPORT. When Shakespearean actors have a sword fight, they aren't actually trying to kill each other are they?

Wrestlers protect one another in the ring (except for RVD:D ). They do that mainly because they realize that wrestling is their liveliehood (sp?). If they were always trying to actually hurt one another,there wouldn't be many wrestlers out there. But the fact is that no matter how well you protect one another, injuries are going to happen and they will happen often. Yes, they know how to fall, but that AIN'T a trampoline they're fallin' on. Its a very stiff ring with little give. The WWF ring is actually notorious for being one of the hardest. We have lost far to many wrestlers to pain killer addiction because of the constant pain and injury that they work with. HHH tore one of his quad muscles COMPLETELY in a live match, yet he still worked for 5 more minutes and was actually put in a boston crab AFTER the tear. Lets see ANY other pro athelete do that.

I can agree with that, although I doubt the ring floor is hard like you say. Thanks for not calling me a cock head or something like some other people would. But awhile back we had a whole topic about wrestling being a sport or not, and some people still dont admit its not a sport, you have enough sense to know that its not a sport, and thats good.

[nWoCHRISnWo]

And how the hell would you know how hard the floor is Jason1? You doubt it, but that's like me saying I doubt the baseball diamond is as big as MLB says when I'm not a fan and have no clue. You also doubted wrestlers got hurt...

[Professor S]

Jason, the right floor is very hard. True, it does give, but it is very hard. Do you see the wrestlers bouncing up and down in the ring? Does it wobble a lot when they run? No.

I'm not saying its made of concrete by any means, but it is still very hard. Many older wrestlers have to get vertebrae fused in their necks from getting cronic whiplash from taking bumps. Just ask Arn Anderson.