Attach Rates

[Perfect Stu]

Tie Ratios:

PS2: 6.09
XBOX: 4.74
GCN: 4.67
GBA: 2.74

For example, this means that for every PS2 sold, 6.09 PS2 games have been sold. Same goes for every system

I find the PS2 attach rate very impressive simply because of the amount of systems sold. I would think that the higher the hardware sales, the harder it would be for software sales to keep up (see: GBA)

XBox and Gamecue look to be about even.

GBA software sales are quite low. This is most likely due to:

-lack of quality software titles
-target audience (lets face it...kids don't have money)

[TheGame]

I think GBA's problem is the price of the games (like your second reason)

I mean, with all the great console games out, it's hard not to spend the extra $10 for the bigger version of a game. I mean, THPS4 for GBA is $39.99... if someone is that interested, why not spend the extra $10 for the home console version?

[Bond]

Where did you get this from? Is this for the World, US only, Europe only, or Japan only?

[Jason1]

Originally posted by Perfect Stu

I find the PS2 attach rate very impressive simply because of the amount of systems sold. I would think that the higher the hardware sales, the harder it would be for software sales to keep up (see: GBA)



I find the exact oppisite to be logical. The longer the system has been on the market and the more games out there, the more games people have bought for that system. PS2 has been out the longest, it makes perfect sense...dosent really explain why GBA is so low, but it certinatley explains Xbox and Gamecube.

[Perfect Stu]

Originally posted by Jason1
I find the exact oppisite to be logical. The longer the system has been on the market and the more games out there, the more games people have bought for that system. PS2 has been out the longest, it makes perfect sense...dosent really explain why GBA is so low, but it certinatley explains Xbox and Gamecube.

you proved yourself wrong with the mentioning of GBA

more units sold = more software units must be sold to keep the attach rate high

when Gamecube sales reach 15 million in the US (and I doubt they ever will) we'll compare attach rates...

[Jason1]

This is all so absurd...while it may be accurate, I just dont see how. Just look at the sales charts for the USA in November, according to EGM.

Nintendo has the No.2 game for the month with Metroid Prime. Also the 5 game with yu gi oh for GBA. All in all, they have 8 games in the top 20 in sales, 3 of which are Gamecube games. What about X-Box? 1 game in the top 20 at no. 7. Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell. So dont tell me Cube and GBA games arent as well as X-Box games, because they are.

[Perfect Stu]

Originally posted by Jason1
This is all so absurd...while it may be accurate, I just dont see how. Just look at the sales charts for the USA in November, according to EGM.

Nintendo has the No.2 game for the month with Metroid Prime. Also the 5 game with yu gi oh for GBA. All in all, they have 8 games in the top 20 in sales, 3 of which are Gamecube games. What about X-Box? 1 game in the top 20 at no. 7. Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell. So dont tell me Cube and GBA games arent as well as X-Box games, because they are.

that list is old. November sales to be exact.

And I'm not telling you anything. the NPD, with OFFICIAL, FACTUAL NUMBERS are...

[Jason1]

Originally posted by Perfect Stu
that list is old. November sales to be exact.

And I'm not telling you anything. the NPD, with OFFICIAL, FACTUAL NUMBERS are...

Yes they were from November like I clearly stated in my post...but do you really think X-Box did any better in December? Or the Cube did any worse? Im sure Prime's sales most likley went up.

[Perfect Stu]

Originally posted by Jason1
Yes they were from November like I clearly stated in my post...but do you really think X-Box did any better in December? Or the Cube did any worse? Im sure Prime's sales most likley went up.

let me break it down for you

Splinter Cell has OWNED Prime in sales

Other big sellers for XBox in December were Ghost Recon, Unreal Championship and MechAssault :)

[Dyne]

Metroid Prime has also not been released outside the US. So, it's not over yet.

[GameKinG]

NPD itself isnt factual.

[Jason1]

Originally posted by Perfect Stu
let me break it down for you

Splinter Cell has OWNED Prime in sales

Other big sellers for XBox in December were Ghost Recon, Unreal Championship and MechAssault :)

Source?

[Joeiss]

It is a fact, Jason.

[Perfect Stu]

Originally posted by GameKinG
NPD itself isnt factual.

GIVE IT UP already...

Source: NDP. You can't enter unless you're a member of the videogame stock group.

But I have the numbers...

The top 100 games are listed for your convenience.
FORMAT DESCRIPTION INTRO DATE CORPORATE PUBLISHER UNITS DEC 2002 UNITS LTD 95-02 AVG$ DEC 2002 RETAIL$ DEC 2002
1 PS2 GRAND THEFT AUTO:VICE Oct-02 TAKE 2 INTERACTIVE 1,581,519 4,446,677 $49.46 $78,217,433
2 PS2 DRAGON BALL Z:BUDOKAI Dec-02 INFOGRAMES 787,173 787,173 $49.80 $39,204,646
3 PS2 MADDEN NFL 2003 Aug-02 ELECTRONIC ARTS 678,412 2,412,996 $48.47 $32,882,534
4 XBX T.CLANCY'S SPLINTER Nov-02 UBISOFT 633,337 857,216 $48.10 $30,460,822
5 PS2 LORD OF RINGS: TOWERS Oct-02 ELECTRONIC ARTS 554,050 906,716 $49.60 $27,479,466
6 PS2 BOND 007: NIGHTFIRE Nov-02 ELECTRONIC ARTS 488,858 625,637 $49.47 $24,182,070
7 PS2 TONY HAWKS PRO SKATR4 Oct-02 ACTIVISION 483,954 971,177 $47.29 $22,888,241
8 PS2 MORTAL KOMBAT: DEADLY Nov-02 MIDWAY 459,076 661,668 $49.28 $22,621,437
9 PS2 KINGDOM HEARTS Sep-02 SQUARE EA 445,363 1,190,152 $49.04 $21,839,523
10 PS2 ATV OFF ROAD FURY 2 Nov-02 SONY 432,159 575,635 $39.68 $17,146,233
11 PS2 WWE: SHUT YOUR MOUTH Oct-02 THQ 381,194 730,049 $48.82 $18,610,014
12 GCN METROID PRIME Nov-02 NINTENDO OF AMERICA 358,876 722,266 $49.10 $17,620,866
13 PS2 GRAN TURISMO 3:A-SPEC Jul-01 SONY 328,925 2,708,968 $19.96 $6,564,978
14 PS2 SOCOM:U.S. NAVY SEALS Aug-02 SONY 305,680 836,438 $59.67 $18,239,889
15 PS2 NBA LIVE 2003 Oct-02 ELECTRONIC ARTS 304,414 707,329 $48.78 $14,848,022
16 PS2 HARRY POTTER: CHAMBER Nov-02 ELECTRONIC ARTS 280,921 429,088 $49.50 $13,906,213
17 XBX T.CLANCYS GHOST RECON Nov-02 UBISOFT 262,019 377,349 $49.51 $12,973,715
18 PS2 T.CLANCYS GHOST RECON Dec-02 UBISOFT 256,940 256,940 $49.04 $12,600,240
19 PS2 JAK AND DAXTER:LEGACY Dec-01 SONY 237,669 995,657 $20.17 $4,793,585
20 GCN MARIO PARTY 4 Oct-02 NINTENDO OF AMERICA 237,369 502,058 $50.19 $11,914,076
21 PS2 SPIDER-MAN: THE MOVIE Apr-02 ACTIVISION 236,317 1,193,023 $36.76 $8,686,654
22 XBX HALO Nov-01 MICROSOFT 223,553 1,846,011 $47.36 $10,586,822
23 PS2 MAX PAYNE Dec-01 TAKE 2 INTERACTIVE 209,866 1,079,055 $20.15 $4,228,462
24 PS2 SIMPSONS: ROAD RAGE Nov-01 ELECTRONIC ARTS 209,132 625,244 $19.88 $4,158,171
25 PS2 DEAD TO RIGHTS Nov-02 NAMCO 205,044 256,015 $48.81 $10,009,024
26 PS2 ATV OFF ROAD FURY Feb-01 SONY 198,650 1,193,052 $20.13 $3,997,997
27 PS2 TONY HAWKS PRO SKATR3 Oct-01 ACTIVISION 198,094 1,770,273 $19.82 $3,925,765
28 PS2 TIGER WOODS PGA 2003 Oct-02 ELECTRONIC ARTS 188,636 307,084 $48.70 $9,186,341
29 PSX YU-GI-OH! FORBIDDEN Mar-02 KONAMI OF AMERICA 188,611 870,872 $29.87 $5,632,934
30 PS2 HITMAN 2: ASSASSIN Sep-02 EIDOS INTERACTIVE 187,620 488,176 $49.89 $9,360,372
31 PS2 NCAA FOOTBALL 2003 Jul-02 ELECTRONIC ARTS 186,665 868,515 $49.55 $9,249,171
32 PS2 MEDAL HONOR FRONTLINE May-02 ELECTRONIC ARTS 185,582 1,480,273 $49.59 $9,202,829
33 PS2 RATCHET & CLANK Nov-02 SONY 182,370 294,368 $39.61 $7,223,397
34 XBX MORTAL KOMBAT: DEADLY Nov-02 MIDWAY 179,147 283,302 $49.52 $8,872,036
35 PS2 *****EBOB: DUTCHMAN Nov-02 THQ 178,561 209,131 $39.09 $6,979,956
36 GCN SUPER MARIO SUNSHINE Aug-02 NINTENDO OF AMERICA 177,409 992,703 $49.43 $8,768,687
37 XBX MECH ASSAULT Nov-02 MICROSOFT 174,761 293,237 $49.44 $8,640,478
38 XBX BOND 007: NIGHTFIRE Nov-02 ELECTRONIC ARTS 171,133 224,412 $49.35 $8,445,415
39 PS2 SW: BOUNTY HUNTER Nov-02 LUCASARTS ENTERTAINMENT 167,873 229,042 $49.21 $8,260,374
40 PS2 SPYRO:ENTER DRAGONFLY Nov-02 UNIVERSAL INTERACTIVE 167,606 239,994 $48.18 $8,075,698
41 PS2 METAL GEAR SOLID 2 Nov-01 KONAMI OF AMERICA 163,696 1,787,661 $19.91 $3,258,755
42 PS2 TEKKEN 4 Sep-02 NAMCO 158,790 559,607 $46.74 $7,422,177
43 PS2 NEED SPEED: PURSUIT 2 Sep-02 ELECTRONIC ARTS 155,680 404,746 $49.45 $7,698,004
44 PS2 CRASH BANDICOOT:CORTX Oct-01 VIVENDI UNIVERSAL 153,568 818,212 $20.36 $3,126,453
45 PS2 ACE COMBAT 4 Oct-01 NAMCO 152,998 753,885 $19.67 $3,010,042
46 PSX *****EBOB SUPER*****E Sep-01 THQ 150,284 978,350 $19.45 $2,923,347
47 GCN BOND 007: NIGHTFIRE Nov-02 ELECTRONIC ARTS 148,438 198,335 $49.42 $7,336,355
48 PS2 NFL 2K3 Aug-02 SEGA OF AMERICA 147,353 360,148 $26.19 $3,859,417
49 XBX MEDAL HONOR FRONTLINE Nov-02 ELECTRONIC ARTS 146,216 243,100 $49.55 $7,244,884
50 PS2 NBA STREET Jun-01 ELECTRONIC ARTS 141,141 1,162,152 $20.11 $2,838,543
51 GCN HARRY POTTER: CHAMBER Nov-02 ELECTRONIC ARTS 133,019 217,018 $48.82 $6,493,548
52 PS2 NBA 2K3 Oct-02 SEGA OF AMERICA 132,343 283,410 $48.72 $6,448,352
53 XBX MADDEN NFL 2003 Aug-02 ELECTRONIC ARTS 132,011 424,280 $42.27 $5,580,169
54 GCN SUPER SMASH BRO MELEE Dec-01 NINTENDO OF AMERICA 131,281 1,339,825 $49.55 $6,505,368
55 GCN ANIMAL CROSSING Sep-02 NINTENDO OF AMERICA 130,321 348,541 $49.89 $6,502,046
56 PS2 MIDNIGHT CLUB:STREET Oct-00 TAKE 2 INTERACTIVE 125,195 1,000,026 $19.76 $2,474,268
57 PSX TONY HAWKS PRO SKATR4 Oct-02 ACTIVISION 122,666 200,070 $30.33 $3,720,734
58 PS2 NASCAR THUNDER 2003 Sep-02 ELECTRONIC ARTS 121,742 295,505 $49.44 $6,019,354
59 GCN SONIC MEGA COLLECTION Nov-02 SEGA OF AMERICA 119,626 169,510 $37.93 $4,536,963
60 PS2 CABELAS BIG GAME HUNT Nov-02 ACTIVISION 116,887 136,123 $30.58 $3,574,143
61 GCN RESIDENT EVIL ZERO Nov-02 CAPCOM USA 111,334 224,635 $48.72 $5,424,010
62 PS2 CONFLICTESERT STORM Sep-02 TAKE 2 INTERACTIVE 111,250 243,721 $49.78 $5,537,832
63 PSX HARRY POTTER: CHAMBER Nov-02 ELECTRONIC ARTS 108,988 164,257 $38.88 $4,237,761
64 PSX GH 3RD PTY FAM VALUE Jun-02 MULTIPLE VIDEO GAME MANUFACTUR 108,971 198,602 $14.96 $1,630,175
65 PS2 NCAA MARCH MDNSS 2003 Nov-02 ELECTRONIC ARTS 105,574 134,666 $49.64 $5,241,031
66 PS2 SLY COOPER & THIEVIUS Sep-02 SONY 105,228 184,130 $40.15 $4,224,920
67 PS2 GRAND THEFT AUTO 3 Oct-01 TAKE 2 INTERACTIVE 104,666 4,389,718 $47.66 $4,987,903
68 XBX TONY HAWKS PRO SKATR4 Oct-02 ACTIVISION 103,843 195,163 $46.97 $4,877,289
69 XBX UNREAL CHAMPIONSHIP Nov-02 INFOGRAMES 103,556 214,526 $49.04 $5,078,321
70 PS2 LORD OF THE RINGS Oct-02 VIVENDI UNIVERSAL 102,201 206,755 $46.68 $4,770,565
71 PS2 ROCKY Nov-02 UBISOFT 102,160 126,396 $49.64 $5,071,087
72 PSX FAMILY VALUE Jun-02 MULTIPLE VIDEO GAME MANUFACTUR 101,467 182,593 $9.99 $1,013,657
73 PS2 TEKKEN TAG TOURNAMENT Oct-00 NAMCO 100,717 1,063,866 $20.16 $2,030,066
74 GCN STAR FOX ADVENTURES Sep-02 NINTENDO OF AMERICA 98,899 407,769 $49.79 $4,924,394
75 PS2 JAMPACK WINTER 2002 Oct-02 SONY 98,469 148,390 $5.57 $548,793
76 PSX SPIDER-MAN Aug-00 ACTIVISION 97,287 1,439,448 $20.40 $1,984,970
77 PSX YU GI OH! PREMIUM ED Nov-02 KONAMI OF AMERICA 96,142 112,376 $34.49 $3,316,155
78 PS2 NHL 2003 Sep-02 ELECTRONIC ARTS 96,033 245,090 $49.49 $4,752,802
79 PS2 TY TASMANIAN TIGER Oct-02 ELECTRONIC ARTS 95,790 137,957 $20.84 $1,996,121
80 PS2 SHINOBI Nov-02 SEGA OF AMERICA 93,128 175,515 $49.55 $4,614,961
81 PS2 FIFA SOCCER 2003 Nov-02 ELECTRONIC ARTS 93,000 152,767 $49.61 $4,613,501
82 PSX SCOOBY DOO & CYBER Sep-01 THQ 91,696 496,355 $19.87 $1,822,195
83 XBX NFL FEVER 2003 Aug-02 MICROSOFT 91,451 244,718 $37.83 $3,459,634
84 PS2 SCOOBY-DOO:100 FRIGHT May-02 THQ 90,911 271,833 $38.89 $3,535,354
85 PS2 STAR WARS: CLONE WARS Dec-02 LUCASARTS ENTERTAINMENT 88,469 88,469 $49.70 $4,397,241
86 PSX SPYRO: YEAR OF DRAGON Oct-00 SONY 87,739 1,365,935 $15.00 $1,316,236
87 PS2 BOND:AGENT UNDER FIRE Nov-01 ELECTRONIC ARTS 87,414 1,049,368 $29.05 $2,539,314
88 PS2 DEVIL MAY CRY Oct-01 CAPCOM USA 86,595 821,902 $20.08 $1,738,861
89 PS2 HOT WHEELS:VELOCITY X Nov-02 THQ 86,282 102,457 $39.70 $3,425,801
90 PSX MK TRILOGY Oct-96 MIDWAY 83,117 1,352,532 $11.16 $927,241
91 GCN SW: BOUNTY HUNTER Dec-02 LUCASARTS ENTERTAINMENT 83,002 83,002 $49.47 $4,106,408
92 PSX GRAN TURISMO 2 Dec-99 SONY 81,207 3,038,637 $15.04 $1,221,217
93 GCN MORTAL KOMBAT: DEADLY Nov-02 MIDWAY 80,915 119,084 $49.52 $4,006,732
94 PSX SPIDERMAN 2: ELECTRO Oct-01 ACTIVISION 80,742 429,489 $20.05 $1,618,550
95 PS2 ROCKET POWER: BEACH Sep-02 THQ 80,740 143,634 $39.68 $3,203,566
96 XBX SW: JEDI STARFIGHTER May-02 LUCASARTS ENTERTAINMENT 80,386 143,123 $5.26 $423,089
97 GCN GODZILLAESTRY MELEE Oct-02 INFOGRAMES 80,220 160,156 $47.33 $3,796,815
98 PSX SHREK: TREASURE HUNT Oct-02 TDK MEDIACTIVE 79,055 114,442 $11.35 $897,639
99 XBX SW: JEDI KNIGHT II Nov-02 LUCASARTS ENTERTAINMENT 78,744 111,932 $50.15 $3,949,178
100 PS2 SPY HUNTER Sep-01 MIDWAY 78,058 618,454 $19.95 $1,557,220

[Bad Religion]

Originally posted by Perfect Stu
let me break it down for you

Splinter Cell has OWNED Prime in sales

Other big sellers for XBox in December were Ghost Recon, Unreal Championship and MechAssault :)



who cares? Prime has OWNED Splinter Cell in being a better game and getting better reviews (GOTY) everywhere that matters

[Perfect Stu]

Originally posted by Bad Religion
who cares? Prime has OWNED Splinter Cell in being a better game and getting better reviews (GOTY) everywhere that matters

the arguement was clearly about sales figures. you should ask jason "who cares"

[Joeiss]

Originally posted by Bad Religion
who cares? Prime has OWNED Splinter Cell in being a better game and getting better reviews (GOTY) everywhere that matters


:lol:


What do you think developers care more about? Getting better ratings from websites, or making more cash?


:lol:

[Jason1]

Well I really dont blame nintendo for the poor sales of their 3rd party stuff. Why should Nintendo be punished for making games that are so much better than most everything else, to the point where we nintendo fans EXPECT that quality, and wont purchase a game if its not any good. Its like they are doing worse because they are clearly the best.

[Joeiss]

Originally posted by Jason1
Its like they are doing worse because they are clearly the best.

:lol:


You are such a fanboy, it seriously isn't funny anymore.

[Bad Religion]

Originally posted by Joeiss
:lol:


What do you think developers care more about? Getting better ratings from websites, or making more cash?


:lol:


Actually I thought we were GAMERS, and what do you think GAMERS care about, Joeiss? And as for developers, is it possible that there are some that actually care more about the ART than the cash? I like to think so. Oh, and speaking of fanboys, it seems you're becoming a Perfect Stu fanboy, :rolleyes:

[Bond]

Originally posted by Bad Religion
is it possible that there are some that actually care more about the ART than the cash? I like to think so.
No. Nothing is possible. Nothing at all.

Unless your name is Punxsutawney Phil...