Gamecube is the next N64, and no Ikaruga for you!

[gekko]

New EGM rumors, which usually have a little more truth to them than say... IGN Boards rumors.

GameCube to End Up Like N64
If you're a Nintendo fan, take heart: GameCube will still be the place to get your N-fix, at least for a bit longer. But the buzz around the industry indicates that many publishers with planned GameCube support in 2003 are systematically canceling titles on the square system, in favor of Xbox and PS2 versions. Why, you ask? Because GameCube owners are only buying the biggest titles, leaving the rest to languish on the shelves. (Before you complain, ask yourself how many GC titles you've bought that aren't published by Nintendo.) All this should sound familiar to most N-loyalists: A similar trend happened (although much faster than with GC) back in the Nintendo 64 days.... This comes on the heels of rumors (and that's all they are) that Nintendo will leave the hardware behind and reap the profits on its software for other platforms. Either way, just enjoy GC games while you can....

I am not totally shocked by this. You may say there are no good 3rd party games to buy, but Gamecube owners are spoiled by Nintendo's quality, and therefore very few 3rd party games ever become popular. Take away Nintendo, Sega, and Capcom. How many games really do well?

But that brings me to my next point, I spend a lot of times at the IGN Boards, mostly in the Xbox forum. That can give you a very accurate description of who's buying what. PS2 I can understand, but Xbox owners only buy the biggest titles as well. Is the only difference that their 3rd party exclusives, as opposed to 1st party?

And, speaking of news for the hardest of of core, you can go ahead and buy the import now if you were waiting: Treasure's arcade-style, vertical-scrolling shooter Ikaruga is not coming to the United States (blame the unpopularity of third-party GC games and the shooter genre for that one).

Guess I'm going to have to import :(

[GameKinG]

Worst-post-ever.

[Angrist]

Hmm... well at least the N-fans get what they want: good Nintendo games. That's all we want, isn't it?? :unsure:

[Crono]

I am not surprised. None of my GCN games are published by anyone other than Capcom (RE ad RE0) or Nintendo (SMS and MP). Even all the games that I plan on buying in the future will be published by either Nintendo, Capcom, Sega, or SquareSoft for FF:CC.

But, at least it's getting support by Capcom, Sega and Namco, something N64 didn't have.

[Angrist]

Rogue Leader, SMB, RE and TS2. Only non-Nintendo games.

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[Joeiss]

Originally posted by GameKinG
Worst-post-ever.


Oh grow up.





I saw this coming a mile ago.



Actually, wait, I did not. I cannot say that I am surprised by this... but I didnt expect it now... If this is indeed true.. Thenl. whatever. Lol.

[gekko]

Originally posted by GameKinG
Worst-post-ever.

:rolleyes:

[Crash]

nintendo should stop making good titles, then more 3rd party games would sell.... does this mean no more jimmy neutron and no more monsters inc, and nickelodeon titles .... OH NO!!!! :-/

[gekko]

Crash, stop joking around. We might lose Mary Kate & Ashley! :(

[Angrist]

:wtf: No not my favorite twins!!! :baby:

Games would sell if they were any good.

BTW X-Box doesn't sell more copies of the same game I think...

A good game sells itself, a bad game doesn't. No matter what console... unless it's PS2, that can sell crappy games. :unsure:

[gekko]

Yes, but as they said, Gamecube owners only buy the biggest titles. Sure good games sell themselves, but so should decent games. The problem with Gamecube owners, is they expect all of Nintendo's titles to be good, so instead of buying some average titles between now and March, they play Metroid Prime and wait for Zelda.

Like I said before, Gamecube owners are really picky because they've been spoiled by Nintendo. If a 3rd party game is REALLY good, it generally sells. Sega and Capcom make good examples. But if a game is average, it's generally passed up because there's another Nintendo game coming out soon, that they can be assured will kick ass.

[Jonbo298]

This sounds exactly like me. Almost all the games I have either say Only on or are the biggest titles. I'm spoiled by N's quality and dont take too much heart to other games if they are coming to all 2 or 3 consoles since most publishers just take the PS2 version and just change the code to work on other consoles. But I highly doubt Nintendo is just going to throw in the towel and give up. They have stuck around through the biggest times and the lowest times. This isn't the lowest times. But with M$ thinking they can just take over the gaming industry and MONOPOLIZE it;) I doubt I will be moving anywhere else anytime soon. meh, say all the bashing you want Joeiss. I know your waiting to after reading what I just said:D

[Joeiss]

Originally posted by Jonbo298
This sounds exactly like me. Almost all the games I have either say Only on or are the biggest titles. I'm spoiled by N's quality and dont take too much heart to other games if they are coming to all 2 or 3 consoles since most publishers just take the PS2 version and just change the code to work on other consoles. But I highly doubt Nintendo is just going to throw in the towel and give up. They have stuck around through the biggest times and the lowest times. This isn't the lowest times. But with M$ thinking they can just take over the gaming industry and MONOPOLIZE it;) I doubt I will be moving anywhere else anytime soon. meh, say all the bashing you want Joeiss. I know your waiting to after reading what I just said:D


True. But I'll just wait to punish your fanboyish comments against MS with negative karma.


;)

[Stonecutter]

no more Ikaruga goddamnit I knew it was too good to be true.


As for the rest of the post, I could really care less. I didn't buy a gamecube for 3rd party games.

[Null]

*shrugs* dunno dun care.

i bought my gamecube for zelda. simple as that.

so guess it doesnt sound wrong.

[GameKinG]

What, I was interested in Ikaruga. Hence, worst post ever. You gave bad news!

[Null]

good save.. :P

[GameKinG]

Oh, and that piss poor EGM thing. :D

Thoguh 2/3 of my games are Nintendo, but thats the reason people buy cube. And it seems many of the games 3rd party exclusive to cube are great, and some of the ones pulled away are crap, though not all. In any case I havent even really noticed many pull their games. Sega did yes, but it wasnt cause they wanted to favor other consoles, their sports were just not selling. Id like to see more non-sport sega games on cube.

[GameMaster]

I don't believe Nintendo will stop producing hardware. I simply don't.

[Jonbo298]

I think EGM is becoming more biased against Nintendo lately. Yes, 'Cube games have been appearing really high up in scores lately, but the Rumors that EGM keep giving seems like they WANT Nintendo to give up or something. Just a month or 2 ago EGM said something about Nintendo might jump ship and go third party like other companies have;) and now this! What's EGM gonna say next issue as a rumor?! Nintendo to hand Shiggy over to Microsoft?!:lol:

[Tombor]

I'm not really surprised either. I own all told of only 3 games and they're from Nintendo, Sega and Capcom. I play my Xbox and PS2 a LOT more and for different reasons: PS2 and Xbox exclusives and if I get a multi-platform title I go with the Xbox version.

Truth be told I don't see this affecting Nintendo in the slightest. They make heaploads of money whether Acclaim, Interplay, or Midway decides to port their junk to it anyway. And outside of a couple publishers, the aforementioned Sega, Capcom, and Square along with a couple other publishers (Bandai seems to be Cube happy in Japan and Infogrames has thrown a couple Ninty's way) no one is even bothering with Gamecube games beyond just porting their franchises.

Brian commented about Xbox being the same way. Well, yes and no. Xbox is much like Gamecube: recent numbers show that either a game will sell incredibly well (Splinter Cell, RE) or just completely drop off the face of the earth (Phantom Crash, Swingerz Golf). Xbox is more suseptable to developers. Especially the small cash-strapped codehouses. I don't see a Southend Interactive (Deathrow) even remotely considering making their pet project hyperviolent sports game for Cube. They don't see Genki, or From Software, or whoever else jumping on board of a platform dominated by the best development house out there. That's why, not to toot my own semi-fanboy horn, you'll see a lot more interesting 3rd party stuff. Plus MS throws around money.

In some ways Cube is an amazing system that way. With Nintendo, and the occasional Sega or Capcom, making games for their own system they've managed to carve out this bizarre niche Microsoft could only hope for. There are a lot of PS2 owners who, say, will probably grab a Cube over an Xbox as a second system simply because of Mario, Zelda, and Star Fox and the like. And, ultimately, Nintendo can probably do that indefinately. I only see some sort of Sega-level disaster causing Nintendo to dump some sort of system.

As for Ikaruga. Didn't Working Designs mention potential Gamecube development? Here's a high quality, low-priced shooter on the table. Just buy that. Game is in full english anyway. At least the DC version.

[Dyne]

Jonbo, I agree. The only reason Nintendo's getting attention is because of the.... uh.... the.... big... uh.....

:sneaky:

I wish people would STOP ****ting on them so much. What happened to those Xbox mashes and PS2 cracks? Why isn't anyone making fun of PS2 anymore?

I only hate them because they feel the need to point **** out. Anyone can do that. I probably wouldn't pick up Ikaruga anyways.

[BlueFire]

I agree.. I have my GC only for Nintendo. All my games for GC are exclusive to GC. I have my ps2 for otherwise.

[fingersman]

EGm does have a point.........the games I own are mostly Nintendo and Capacom...............but if the third party games where really good...then I would buy them.....no one wants to spend money on an average game (Although I'm thinking about buying Blood Rayne!!)
.......when you can pay the same money for an excellent game from one of the huge third parties or Nintendo. I can't blame Nintendo for making good games ............I guess third parties need to stop rushing their games and improve the quality............but then they have time constraints and stuff. Sooooooooo I odn't know


Well atleast I'm getting my Mario Kart and Zelda and SOA and 2 of Capcom's big 5............wait a minute that's alot fo money right there!!

*takes out gun and goes to rob a bank* :sneaky:

[Bond]

Originally posted by GameKinG
What, I was interested in Ikaruga. Hence, worst post ever. You gave bad news!
Oh I see. It's not ok to give bad news about the GameCube, but perfectly fine to give bad news about other consoles. Your reasoning is sound! EGM is awesome when they give great reviews for Nintendo games. But of course when they say one bad thing about Nintendo they are the devil.

Anyway, I suppose EGM has a point, here is my game collection:

GameCube:

Super Smash Brothers: Melee
Super Monkey Ball
Super Mario Sunshine
Animal Crossing
Metroid Prime

Xbox:

Jet Set Radio Future
The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
Project Gotham Racing
Dead or Alive 3
Oddworld: Munch's Oddysee
MechAssault
NFL 2K3
Medal of Honor: Frontline
Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance
TimeSplitters 2
Halo: Combat Evolved

Key:
Red = First party
Blue = Other

So, you can see the slight problem for 3rd party developers from my collection. Although of course Nintendo continues to make money on their sequels.

[GameKinG]

Yes well, MS doesnt have many first party games worth having, IMO. They were smart to buy bungie.

[Jason1]

Well...yes...and no...I mean...damn, I have no Idea how to say what I mean to say so I will just say that I have 1 Capcom game, 1 RareWare game, 1 EA game, and 1 sega game, and one Retro Studios game...so im doing my part arent I? Everyone needs to go out and buy ****ty games so nintendo will make more good ones!

:rolleyes:

Maybe, Gamecube owners are just more smart than everyone else, and elect only to get the really good games...:roll:

[Perfect Stu]

Originally posted by Jason1
Maybe, Gamecube owners are just more smart than everyone else

Not possible, simply because:

a) it's a proven fact that teenagers and adults are generally smarter than 6-12 year olds

b) you're not helping your case by saying "more smart"

:sneaky:

*runs*

[Joeiss]

Originally posted by Perfect Stu
Not possible, simply because:

a) it's a proven fact that teenagers and adults are smarter than 6-12 year olds



:lol:

[Jason1]

This reminds me, I dont think us nintendo fans have much to worry about. I mean, Nintendo always has the Gameboy to fall back on. Thats where they really rack in the big bucks, no doubt about it. So I figure as long as making a new Console is still profitable, I dont see any reason why they wouldnt make another.

[gekko]

They already said they were making a new console. Then again, Sega lied a few times before they went 3rd party.

Of course, Sega was hurting, Nintendo isn't. Sega had 25% of the market when it was released, Sony had 25%, and Nintendo had 50%. If a brand new system is getting killed by N64, and PS2 yet to come, Sega didn't look too good.

The rumors of Nintendo going 3rd party are started by Sony and MS fans, with no real basis other than their hopes. Financially Nintendo is doing fine, and as far as the marketshare is concearned, if Nintendo were to go 3rd party, MS should be leaving the industry entirely. It's a pretty stupid argument, people forget how well Nintendo is doing.

I just posted that article relating to the 3rd parties leaving.

[BigJustinW]

I had mostly Sega games, followed by Nintendo then EA... then there was THPS4, WMx8, and TS2 :p

I got a new cube for Xmas, no games though... I was considering Metrid Prime, but I rented it and I still didn't like it. Oh well, I'll wait for Celda before buying any of those crapy third party games. ;)

[El Gaucho Goof]

Originally posted by BigJustinW
I had mostly Sega games, followed by Nintendo then EA... then there was THPS4, WMx8, and TS2 :p

I got a new cube for Xmas, no games though... I was considering Metrid Prime, but I rented it and I still didn't like it. Oh well, I'll wait for Celda before buying any of those crapy third party games. ;)

Sometimes, I just don't get you. You buy and sell systems like nothing for no apparent reason, but I guess there are just some folks I would never understand.

[BigJustinW]

Originally posted by El Gaucho Goof
Sometimes, I just don't get you. You buy and sell systems like nothing for no apparent reason, but I guess there are just some folks I would never understand.

Who said I bought it???

I didn't even want one... (hence the reason it will be sitting there gameless til Celda is released)

and yes, you are right, I'm working on my 3rd Ps2 and 2nd GCN... and 1st Xbox (if anybody wanted to know ;))

Ps2 is my baby though, it almost has so many good titles (right now) that it is impossible to warrant a purchase of a new system over 3-4 new Ps2 games.

[El Gaucho Goof]

Originally posted by BigJustinW
Who said I bought it???

I didn't even want one... (hence the reason it will be sitting there gameless til Celda is released)

and yes, you are right, I'm working on my 3rd Ps2 and 2nd GCN... and 1st Xbox (if anybody wanted to know ;))

Ps2 is my baby though, it almost has so many good titles (right now) that it is impossible to warrant a purchase of a new system over 3-4 new Ps2 games.

Hmm, it seems to be just the opposite on this side of the fence with a Ps2 and Xbox, I still find my cube to be my favorite system, maybe because I have a larger library of games for it or maybe the fact that I had it longer, but eh.

I do find SYM and Nightfire to be fun though, have yet to get into anything on Xbox other than Jet Grind which I don't think is better than the original but still cool.

[BigJustinW]

Originally posted by El Gaucho Goof
Hmm, it seems to be just the opposite on this side of the fence with a Ps2 and Xbox, I still find my cube to be my favorite system, maybe because I have a larger library of games for it or maybe the fact that I had it longer, but eh.

I do find SYM and Nightfire to be fun though, have yet to get into anything on Xbox other than Jet Grind which I don't think is better than the original but still cool.

For the time period I didn't have my Ps2, GCN was my fav system for the same reason... I had more games for it. But, when it came down to exclusive games Ps2 won out. Not to mention 3 games I had for cube were online in the Ps2 versions (Madden, NBA 2k, and THPS4)

AC is the main game I miss for cube.

[Cyrax9]

Big deal. We've gott he Cube now, by 2006 I predict a new console, and if the Big "N" becomes an exclusive, chances are it'll be for Sony, and that's unlikley still. I could see Nintendo making a comeback, yeah titles are being Phased out, but this is what happens with all consoles, if the GCN' successor is backwards compatible expect more titles to arrive.

Had the PS2 not been comaptible witjh the PS1 the PS2 would ahve been the way the GCN is, it's a matter of what happenbs when, also this is BS, a rumour is just than until proven as fact.