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Dyne
12-02-2002, 03:49 AM
Yep, it's almost time for the Megaton! I can't believe it's almost here. We've come by many rumours, and we've come by little details, announcements (Gameboy Player), and the like. I'm still baffled as to what Nintendo has to offer, and I'm sure everyone else is too. The only thing's we've looked at are what Nintendo is missing, which is obviously a solid online plan or the purchase of something rather large (sega? namco? capcom? square/enix? panasonic anyone? SONY AND MS?). All we know is that it's going to sell cubes at a distinguished rate above others.

Now what the hell would/could/should it be? Everything we've ever dreamed of? Pokemon/Earthbound/SSB online? What we really should be doing is looking at what we have right now, and not look for missing pieces, but look for the small part that puts a connection between two large bodies of jiggies on the puzzlesheet. First we need to identify what the body is comprised of, and what part they could add on to make it all work together.


Theory One: A good solid Partnership

Now we all know Nintendo likes partnerships. Triforce (Sega/Namco), Panasonic (Qube, super memory card, dvd technology), IBM/ATI (hardware), Square (FF:CC GCN/GBA comp.), Capcom (the Capcom Five, RE), Hudson Soft (Mario Party's b*tch), Camelot (Golden Sun, Mario Golf/Tennis upcoming), and more, are great examples of Nintendo's fetish with it. In their sense, it's wise to keep a lot of partnerships... now, buying anything might break a strand or two... who knows? Nintendo IS wise to keep this, and maybe strengthen what they have with companies. What's a White House (Nintendo and dev houses) without an army (partnerships)? They'd be in trouble and surely let another country (Microsoft, Sony!) invade and kill at will. They'll have to make a stronger web somehow, but the current one is an already excellent one. It seems only that GCN is missing out on sales, so there is something missing, and it can't just be about online plans. What I'm thinking here is if they were to shake hands with Matsu****a(Panasonic, the largest company of it's kind) and insure a strong tie, both their thirst for revenge on Sony would create a driving force so strong that it will be a force to beckon with. I know Panasonic fell flat on it's face last time (3D0... what the hell??) but maybe the fact that GCN can't play DVDs is what didn't sell it. Or funky extras like that. Would anyone agree to that? Most people were complaining at launch about how we didn't have anything extra like say, the Xbox with the hard drive or DVD playback on-hand like PS2. It doesn't look like it on the Physical Cube, but maybe Nintendo has been whoring Panasonic in bed at nights and we don't know it for a killer update that will sell cubes-- a lot. What could it be? Well, it's too late to add anything like DVD playback, but when thinking about this subject I can't help but think a huge Panasonic partnership is in store, but not "ownage".

We also know that Nintendo loves to devour Small Companies. Retro Studios, Silicon Knights, and earlier examples come to mind (*COUGHHACKHACK rare HACK...*). No small companies come to mind when I think of what Nintendo could also devour (maybe Factor 5, but they're hardly small nowadays), but, they're small--So, yeah, it's hard to tell if any small company exists. ;) What I'm thinking in this case would be that the beast is full right now... Buying some small company is hardly going to rile up non-believers to getting a cube. And, buying a big company is not Nintendo's style... I don't even think they could afford it, after the losses in Europe (ouch...) and the mediocre amount for Rareware (Ok, it was good, but the Europe loss killed all expectations of what to do with it). On a side note, I think they only sold Rare because they were a lazy dog when it came to dev-ing, and that they foresaw the Europian Fine. When Nintendo thinks money, I don't think the first thing that comes to mind is getting their jaw around large companies. This rumour of big companies only really came after they sold Rare, right? Selling Rare heated up a lot of conversationalists and fanboys alike, and I hardly believe Nintendo will buy anything big or small. Also, think about what one expensive company could do for a system... only one. Not much, huh? It would be hard to gain back what they payed. The only real example of this really working was when Sony ordered a partnership with Square and sold all those FFVII's, and that wasn't even a buyout. Buying one company wouldn't even satisfy the system's fans' genre needs--not everyone would be thrilled. If they bought Capcom, what would the sports fans think of it? It would not sell a bunch of cubes buying one company, I assure you. Then the interesting theory comes up if they are going to buy multiple companies--Huh? Nintendo would never be able to afford that. What needs to be said here is only meant to be pushing Theory One in any way possible.

Theory Two: Teh UNPOSSIBLE

Nintendo goes teh THIRD PARTY!


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.......

Now how the f*** would that sell more cubes? Lower prices on old dead GCN's? Come on people. Might I note this is impossible on Nintendo's part what with they have going on for them with the handheld market in their hand and an increasingly popular console. Anybody who thinks this is the Megaton obviously despises the Gamecube in all ways possible and praises the hell out of their own Xbox or PS2. Don't listen to anybody who doesn't f***ing have any experience with the gcn, let alone own the thing at all, or else your gums should be ripped out. And I'm positive on that, folks.

Theory Three: Online anyone?

This is what people seem to be latching onto tightly and rumouring the heck out of. Online Pokemon anyone? Gameboy Player? What I want to point out here is the fact that this is only missing, nothing more--nobody ever thought of the PS2's Network Adapter as a selling point. Nintendo will have to obviously make an immense effort to get something going that will heat up enough people and satisfy both adults and kids to buy cubes. Do you think Pokemon will be it? Maybe, but if people still have this "kiddy" thing on Nintendo, it won't work as well as planned. Well, there's a slight chance, but it's not dominant--and I'd bet on it. What I thought of was an online Earthbound... what with the severe lack of anything from Ape, Inc. for the past several years (cancelled N64 Mother game, and that's it..) really gets you thinking. What also seems to be a factor is that Nintendo has "patented" an MMORPG, and it was officially reported, too. Uh... hey? What about Nintendo's hush-hush styles? They could definitely pull it off. Now, if we take that rumour to the test.... would it sell the Cube? Nope, not just one game would do it. All people need to be satisfyed, don't they? Well, Japanese like the RPG... oh yes they do. But, North Americans don't as much. What sells the PS2? A wide variety of good games. Not great, just good--but it's great because it all adds up and sells it in the end. What comes upon us is the ideas of many games comprised to make an online plan. Is online the future? Is an online Pokemon, Earthbound, Mario Kart/Tennis/Golf, Zelda, (uh... the possiblities go on) really going to sell it? Who knows? Is it really strong to have only online plans and good partnerships?


Now, to conclude, what I was thinking of the whole time I was writing this was that it is only ONE announcement, not many announcements. An online plan would be announcing many games... right? One announcement, in my opinion, would be one thing. It might be many things, but they have so much planned that it's just going to be too overwhelming to announce so many things in one spot. But, it's Megaton, right? Ow... my brain hurts. Doesn't yours? Well, that's all the possibilities that I can think of. Now what else could there be that they'd announce? I've basically poured out all my knowledge and opinions, and it seems to be Nintendo's only ways. What else would they announce that would be Megatonish? Well, it was reported that it was GOING to be partnerships, online games, and the like. Well paint me red....... maybe it's true, maybe not. Who knows? Nintendo does, and they're being smart. :D

Now, please, don't be afraid to reply.... go ahead and drop any two cents on my thoughts or come up with anything completely different. I would love to hear your opinions on this dense subject as we await the time to draw nearer and nearer. :)

Angrist
12-02-2002, 06:43 AM
When is it going to be announced anyway??? Look what piccy C-E have:
http://www.continuum2.com/images/nintendo_mosaic.JPG
Dunno where they got the original pic from...
Could this mean Sonic and Megaman exclusive to the Cube? All 3 in a new game?

Anyway, I'm hoping for a huge online announcement, this is the time.
With Mother 3 MMORPG plus some more new games and of course Pokemon.

You can never be too sure though... :unsure:

Jonbo298
12-02-2002, 08:08 AM
Maybe Nintendo will make a new Mario RPG and include "other" characters besides ones from Mario's world (like the image above). But I don't think that would sell tons, unless Square helps in making another one again.;):D But I don't have much to say to Dyne's post except that it is pretty good. Almost seems like something D-real would make.

GameKinG
12-02-2002, 09:48 AM
It supposedly going to be announced at V-jump, if its really true.

BlueFire
12-02-2002, 10:17 AM
They keep holding us off...

I just wish they blew us all away


which may or may not happen..

I'm leaning towards may not, but then again, who am i? ;)

gekko
12-02-2002, 12:09 PM
The pic came from a guy at Gaming-Age, who has been right with rumors before. The big rumor is Nintendo, Sega, and Capcom either parner up, or Nintendo buys them, and they become exclusive.

CSK (I think), who owned 22% of Sega recently sold all of their stock. Some anonymous company bought it. Guesses are Microsoft, or Nintendo. Care to use logic? Don't. Niether of them seem practical. But if they did, it wouldn't be a surprise.

There's also a rumor of an alliance of 7 developers. Who? Not sure. Would be a clever way of hinting at a Sega buyout (since Sega has multiple 2nd parties, or would they be 4th now?), but Sega has like 11 or so.

And adding to the online thing. PSO, the modem, and the BBA have all been discontinued. They are shipping again starting late December. If there was a huge online announcement, they might have stopped shipments because there will be a huge demand that they need to meet at that time. And PSO would be discontinued because selling it without the modem and BBA would cause a lot of problems, and annoyed customer service reps.

Dyne
12-02-2002, 12:47 PM
Ok.. first up... Yep, having Mario and Sonic exclusive (so far) is working well. I don't know about having Megaman, because isn't MMXVII still scheduled for the PS2? Who knows..... It'd be great to get all three.

2nd... thanks Jonbo.:)

3rd.. I think I heard somewhere that one day Nintendo is going to announce a big dev-fair on the near-last minute. That would be massive to get everyone in, put on a live broadcast, and megaton everyone. That would be really sweet. But, to have Sony or MS reps attending as well would be really funny to catch on tape, so it's a good possibility.

4th... It looks like Nintendo has been leading up to this strategically. Very strategically. Announcing the Game Boy player sure got me going.. PSO online got me going, learning about the Capcom Five got me going... Rare's selling got me going, and even the CSK selling Sega was weird... now all Nintendo needs to do is to start the fireworks! (Or maybe they'll announce something other that is big, too... heh heh) Maybe they'll even do something in conjunction with the Zelda release.... btw, when is that?

Finally.... Gekko, you make some good points and bring up some interesting nodes. I did start thinking megaton when I heard of CSK's weakened grip, and the anon company who saved the day. But it wasn't paraded around on show, so I'm suspicious of it. This 7-developers is also weird.... let's see... Nintendo, Namco, Sega, Capcom, Square enix (enix square?), Konami, Hudson Soft, Camelot... or maybe others, but those are the close ones I can think of. Maybe Matsu****a (edit: it's supposed to be matsus hita) bought everything. Or maybe they've got a killer partnership like I've said before.... whatever does turn out, I know it will be for the best.:D

EDIT: More Panasonic stuffs.... check this out, on Allied Partners, and their own category:

http://www.panasonic-center.com/en/link.html

Panasonic likes Nintendo. And I'm sure they'd love to be on par with Sony, because Sony has PS stuff right on their front page... but Panasonic doesn't.

Mr.Nobody
12-02-2002, 01:42 PM
I've been thinking about this for a while.

Capcom(Out of all of the major videogame companies)has been making the least amount of money. Their profits have been lacking and they have been considering a buyout for a while.

Also,they are only making 1 non Gamecube game(Megaman XV11 for PS2). Their biggest franchise(Resident Evil) is exclusive to the gamecube and they have also made 3 Megaman(Capcom's second biggest franchise.) games on the GBA(Megaman Battle Network 1,2 and Megaman Zero) and are making a Megaman Game For the Gamecube(Megaman EXE:Transmission),another Megaman Game for the GBA(Megaman Battle Network 3),and five new games for Gamecube(I forget the names of these games).


After Megaman XV11 Capcom is only making Gameucbe games. So ,wouldn't it make sense for them to be Gamecube exclusive.

I sure think they are leaning that way. A Capcom buyout would make total sense.

DeathsHand
12-02-2002, 01:52 PM
Originally posted by Mr.Nobody
Also,they are only making 1 non Gamecube game(Megaman XV11 for PS2)

Uhh... what?

Devil May Cry 2, Resident Evil Online, Breath of Fire 5... those are only ones I can think of off the top of my head... There are prolly a couple more...

Oh and PSM says Capcom is making another 3D fighter for PS2... Well they're making an arcade game, and have apparently announced a PS2 version... "Capcom Fighting All Stars"... Chin Li, Ryu, Hiryu (Strider, I think :unsure: ), Ingrid, and Haggar (Final Fight) are a few returning character peeps...

So yeah I dunno if you've been living under a rock lately or something or you just don't pay much attention to PS2 stuff :p

Edit: Found some more... Auto Modellista, Jojo's Bizarre Adventure... Yep...

Mr.Nobody
12-02-2002, 01:57 PM
Devil May Cry 2 is almost finished and just about ready to be realeased.

Resident Evil Online is currently a rumor considering that Nintendo has RE exclusive.


Breath Of Fire 5 is the only one I don't know about. But, I haven't heard much about it.

Capcom Allstars will probably not be PS2 exclusive. SNK vs. Capcom was almost exclusive but then went to X-box and Gamecube. I would excpect the same to happen to this game.

So everything is still pretty much clear for a Nintendo buyout. It's still a big possibility.

DeathsHand
12-02-2002, 02:03 PM
Originally posted by Mr.Nobody
Resident Evil Online is currently a rumor considering that Nintendo has RE exclusive.

Guess you HAVE been living under a rock... There are screenshots and info and all on Resident Evil Online... You play it online (duh) with up to 3 other people and have to cooperate to survive... I would think it'd be something kind of like Resident Evil 0 where Billy and Rebecca cooperate, only there are 4 different people and you only control one of them... But that's just a guess, I'm not sure...

And since I only edited them into my last post, I'll post them here too... Auto Modellista (Cel-shaded racing game) and Jojo's Bizarre Adventure (Cel Chaded fighting game)... Although I don't think the first Jojo Bizzare adventure game on DC was supposed to be very good, but meh...

Mr.Nobody
12-02-2002, 02:14 PM
Crap!

Oh,well it probably wont be a Capcom buyout(Or any other company :( ).

I just hope it's not online games. I can't handle that on 56K. So it wouldn't be much of an announcment for me. :(

Dyne
12-02-2002, 03:18 PM
Well well... I'm liking PlanetGC's thoughts.

http://www.planetgamecube.com/specials.cfm?action=profile&id=393

It's funny everyone decided to do a large megaton article the day right after I posted this... hrm... I guess I have good timing. :unsure:

But really... Nintendo could literally kill the playstation. Man, I wish I could go back in time to the time when the PS was still an announced add-on for the SNES... Nintendo would have been the evil one right now. But I would be evil right along with it! Microsoft should be the least of their worries... I mean, 1st place in the market is much better than 2nd place (but nothing to do with GBA... the sales don't compare to Sony at all I don't think). If Nintendo did discover something nasty about Sony, I would have to certainly say that it would be megaton to crash them down. Or, at least, get a mundo head-start next generation, and announce a lot of projects right now, but that's is NOT MEGATON. MEGATON is abso-f***ing huge, and officials like Famitsu keep telling us that. It was DUBBED Megaton because it was GOING to change the face of the video game market as we know it. They'd need an absolutely immense amount of MMORPG's, get the title of "RPG" king and kill Sony if it was to be dubbed Megaton. Or, just buy SCEA---but not Sony.

In fact I'm really liking this Sony deal. It sounds like a dream, and the Playstation would not be what it is today without Nintendo--at all.

Either way, Nintendo wants to put Sony in the trash bin; whether they like it or not.

Crono
12-02-2002, 03:37 PM
I'd laugh if there was no megaton announcement...
*everybody is at their PCs*
*announcement is supposed to come*
*nothing happens*
...lol.

Anyway, I doubt this announcement is big enough for Nintendo to take a lead on Sony. PS2 won't die unless Konami, Capcom, Sega, Square/Enix, and Namco all become Nintendo exclusive...which probably won't happen. Once DQ8 gets released in Japan, PS2 will be too far for Nintendo to catch up. (DQ7 was the highest selling PSX game of all time, it sold well over 5 million copies...so DQ8 is probably gonna sell quite a few PS2s..)

but that's just my opinion. I want the Megaton announcement to be something that will make me really happy for buying a GCN.

DarkMaster
12-02-2002, 03:43 PM
Originally posted by Dyne
Or, just buy SCEA---but not Sony.
yeah right, PS2 is by far the best selling console right now and has been for a long time. do you think Sony would let themselves be bought out by Nintendo if they are leading the market?

Dyne
12-02-2002, 03:46 PM
Originally posted by DarkMaster
yeah right, PS2 is by far the best selling console right now and has been for a long time. do you think Sony would let themselves be bought out by Nintendo if they are leading the market?

Uh... *cough* Matsus hita. If Nintendo AND Matsus hita bullied SCEA itself I bet they'd crap their pants.

Edit... It's really called Matsu****a but these darn censors.. :unsure:

Jason1
12-02-2002, 04:02 PM
Im still wondering where they got that blurred pic of mario, sonic, and megaman...because if that is offical, like Nintendo released that blurred picture themselves to tease us, It would almost have to be either a buyout of Sega and Capcom, or a game featuring those 3 characters, anything else wouldnt really fit in my mind. But if that pic is not real, which I have a feeling it isnt, than that blows my theory away.

DarkMaster
12-02-2002, 04:02 PM
Originally posted by Dyne
Uh... *cough* Matsus hita. If Nintendo AND Matsus hita bullied SCEA itself I bet they'd crap their pants.

Edit... It's really called Matsu****a but these darn censors.. :unsure:
:hmm:

i highly doubt Sony would give up a billion dollar company because some electronics company "bullied" them. Sony is not afraid of Nintendo, they have a HUGE lead in PS2 sales over GCN. Even if this megaton announcement was amazing, it would still take a while for it to really put a dent in PS2's sales. I dont want Nintendo doing something just to make its competition go down, i want something that makes owning a GCN really worth while.

fingersman
12-02-2002, 10:32 PM
Originally posted by Crono
I'd laugh if there was no megaton announcement...
*everybody is at their PCs*
*announcement is supposed to come*
*nothing happens*
...lol.



LOL that would be funny......btw when is this announcement suppose to be?? And what can be so big that it will change the industry?? BTW where 'change the industry Nintendo's words or some fanboys' ?? All I know is that I'm not expecting that much.......the only thing i can think of is a new way to get online with the cube...............that's simple and fast for everyone to use and a pokemon rpg..........and even so, it will just boost Nintendo's sales I don't think it will change the industry....but I could be wrong.......BAH ....who knows ..........I'll take the wait and see method

DeathsHand
12-02-2002, 10:36 PM
I don't see how online gaming could be megaton... PS2 and Xbox are already online, and before that so was Dreamcast... plus I don't think online gaming will even be that big this generation... too many people still have 56K and don't wanna bother buying online games to play them with a crummy connection, especially if there are extra monthly fees involved... But I dunno :unsure:

I'm with fingersman though, I'm not expecting much... I'm expecting something not big that Nintendo fans blow out of proportion... :sneaky: But I've said that like 10 times already ;)

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Blackmane
12-02-2002, 10:39 PM
Most likely were going to hype ourselves up too much for this announcment and when it comes, it really won't be as megaton-ish as we expected.... :unsure:

Of course, that is not what I hope will happen. I hope Nintendo will blow us away, but I don't think it will be quite that major.

It should still be good, though.

Angrist
12-03-2002, 08:03 AM
When????

fingersman
12-03-2002, 08:11 AM
Originally posted by Angrist
When????


Yeah, I'm with him...when is this announcement going to happen?

Suppose Nintendo announces that Gc will be their last system or that they're widthdrawing from the concole race after the GC? ;)
Or maybe they are selling themselves to sony or Microsoft?

Highly unlikely but a possibilty. A very small one

TheGame
12-03-2002, 11:23 AM
(sorry, I came late, and read most of the replies.

I doubt seriously that it's a Sga buyout... I mean, with the announcement of no 2k4 on GCN and all ;)

When I think of megaton... I think of a merger or a buyout. Not just one stinkin game.

Jason1
12-03-2002, 08:23 PM
It could be the space world 2000 Zelda. That would be plenty Megaton, IMO.

Dyne
12-03-2002, 08:30 PM
You know what would be a good megaton? (since we're chipping in here)

*Iwata-san comes up to the Microphone*: "Hey.............. anyone... remember... when we ganged up with Sony and Microsoft to go against Lik Sang?

Yeah... well, we.. uh...... *cough*"

*Satoru Iwata walks off stage*

And then the whole world collpases. ....or... something to that effect.





...


Hey, you never know. :sneaky:

DarkMaster
12-03-2002, 08:32 PM
Originally posted by Jason1
It could be the space world 2000 Zelda. That would be plenty Megaton, IMO.
1 game, no matter how big or amazing, could never satisfy the anticipation i have for this megaton announcement. this announcement better be amazing, or else i'm gonna be mega pissed.

DeathsHand
12-03-2002, 08:51 PM
Originally posted by DarkMaster
1 game, no matter how big or amazing, could never satisfy the anticipation i have for this megaton announcement.

My thoughts exactly... megaton is too hard to live up to... And 1 game isn't megaton... especially a spaceworld 2000 Zelda since most people seem fine with the new Zelda now, and it seems to be doing fine in Japan...

But meh... Did Nintendo even say it would be "megaton" or did they just say they had a big announcement? Or did they even say anything? :unsure:

gekko
12-03-2002, 08:57 PM
Originally posted by DarkMaster
1 game, no matter how big or amazing, could never satisfy the anticipation i have for this megaton announcement. this announcement better be amazing, or else i'm gonna be mega pissed.

Well, it could be a Pokemon announcement. New Gamecube Pokemon online, which works in cooperation with the new Pokemon they're releasing for GBA, and also works with the GBA player, yada yada. Pokemon on Gamecube would make units fly off shelves.

DarkMaster
12-03-2002, 09:03 PM
Originally posted by gekko
Well, it could be a Pokemon announcement. New Gamecube Pokemon online, which works in cooperation with the new Pokemon they're releasing for GBA, and also works with the GBA player, yada yada. Pokemon on Gamecube would make units fly off shelves.
yeah, but when i hear "Megaton announcement" i'm thinking "damn!!! that must be huge!!" and an online Pokemon game on GCN would never make me go "whoa!! how unexpected!! thats amazing!!", although it would be cool

DeathsHand
12-03-2002, 09:09 PM
A huge compilation of a bunch of different great Nintendo games from NES, SNES, N64, anything, with some graphical touch-ups...

:unsure:

Still doesn't sound megatonish since it would just be a bunch of old games ;)

Angrist
12-04-2002, 06:47 AM
Just a bunch of old games? :eek: That's over a 1000 games I think! :eek:
But they wouldn't do that, they would let you DL it for money. :)

Nintendo never confirmed any big announcement. Though they did tell us to expect 2 major announcements within 2 weeks. GBA player and Sega.com I think... which is good. :)

TheGame
12-04-2002, 11:32 AM
A new mario All-Starish game where it has every 1st/2nd party game made by Nintendo before GCN's launch... that'd be nice... but why am I hyping myself up for somthing that will never happen? :confused:

Dyne
12-05-2002, 12:27 AM
Well well well.

http://pocket.ign.com/articles/379/379361p1.html

If Nintendo held a press conference, where was the megaton?:eek:

You know, I'm seriously considering that the Game Boy Player was it. I mean, we never did have any sort of confirmation that it was not, correct? We became so fatuated with the Megaton we completely disregarded it. Even the buyout of Rare, the merging of Enix/Square, and the rumoured Sony buyout have all been completely plaguing our minds as we've made suggestions and whatnot as to what it was going to be. When, everything good was happening under our noses. The Capcom 5, this Game Boy Player, the online Sega support, and the like.

That doesn't mean it can't be it... Game Boy Player certainly wouldn't be megaton, because no special games have been announced for it. What I'm thinking about right now is what Nintendo has to offer at E3--it could possibly be another great year for them. Nintendo has awesome stuff going for them anyways; Zelda is big enough in it's own respect.

Angrist
12-05-2002, 06:35 AM
The GameBoy player could sell Cubes... ppl who want to play PKMN on a big screen. :)