Ultimate Nfl Thread 02/03

[Perfect Stu]

as of December 31st, End of Regular Season

STANDINGS (Playoff teams in bold)

AFC EAST

1.N.Y. Jets 9-7 Division Champs
2.New England 9-7
3.Miami 9-7
4.Buffalo 8-8

AFC NORTH

1.Pittsburgh 10-5-1 Division Champs
2.Cleveland 9-7
3.Baltimore 7-9
4.Cincinnati 2-14

AFC SOUTH

1.Tennessee 11-5 Division Champs
2.Indianapolis 10-6
3.Jacksonville 6-10
4.Houston 4-12

AFC WEST

1.Oakland 11-5 Division Champs
2.Denver 9-7
3.San Diego 8-8
4.Kansas City 8-8

NFC EAST

1.Philadelphia 12-4 Division Champs
2.N.Y. Giants 10-6
3.Washington 7-9
4.Dallas 5-11

NFC NORTH

1.Green Bay 12-4 Division Champs
2.Minnesota 6-10
3.Chicago 4-12
4.Detroit 3-13

NFC SOUTH

1.Tampa Bay 12-4 Division Champs
2.Atlanta 9-6-1
3.New Orleans 9-7
4.Carolina 7-9

NFC WEST

1.San Francisco 10-6 Division Champs
2.St. Louis 7-9
3.Seattle 7-9
4.Arizona 5-11

Stu's TOP 10

1. Philadelphia Eagles
2. Oakland Raiders
3. Tennessee Titans
4. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
5. New York Jets
6. Green Bay Packers
7. Pittsburgh Steelers
8. Indianapolis Colts
9. New York Giants
10. Atlanta Falcons

STATS LEADERS (end of regular season)

QB Passing Leaders

1.Rich Gannon - 4689 yds (26 touchdowns)
2.Drew Bledsoe - 4359 yds (24 touchdowns)
3.Peyton Manning - 4200 yds (27 touchdowns)
4.Kerry Collins - 4073 yds (19 touchdowns)
5.Daunte Culpepper- 3853 yds (18 touchdowns)

RB Rushing Leaders

1.Ricky Williams - 1853 yds (16 touchdowns)
2.LaDainian Tomlinson - 1683 yds (14 touchdowns)
3.Priest Holmes - 1615 yds (21 touchdowns)
4.Clinton Portis - 1508 yds (15 touchdowns)
5.Travis Henry - 1438 yds (13 touchdowns)

WR Receiving Leaders

1.Marvin Harrison - 1722 yds (143 receptions, 11 touchdowns)
2.Randy Moss - 1347 yds (106 receptions, 7 touchdowns)
3.Amani Toomer - 1343 yds (82 receptions, 8 touchdowns)
4.Hines Ward - 1329 yds (112 receptions, 12 touchdowns)
5.Plaxico Burress - 1325 yds (78 receptions, 7 touchdowns)

Stu's Most Valuable Players
QB - 1.Rich Gannon 2.Peyton Manning 3.Chad Pennington 4.Brett Favre
RB - 1.Ricky Williams 2.Priest Holmes 3.Clinton Portis 4.LaDainian Tomlinson
WR - 1.Marvin Harrison 2.Terrell Owens 3.Hines Ward 4.Randy Moss
DEF - 1.Jason Taylor 2.Brian Urlacher 3.Pat Surtain 4.Simeon Rice

Stu's Most Valuable Rookies
RB - Clinton Portis (Broncos)
DE - Dwight Freeney (Colts)
TE - Jeremy Shockey (Giants)

PLAYOFFS

AFC:

First Round

6. Cleveland Browns vs. 3. x - Pittsburgh Steelers (Stu's Pick: Steelers)
5. Indianapolis Colts vs. 4. x - N.Y. Jets (Stu's Pick: Colts)
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1. x - Oakland Raiders (first round bye, homefield advantage through AFC championship)
2. x - Tennessee Titans (first round bye)

x- Division Champion

NFC

First Round

6. Atlanta Falcons vs. 3. x - Green Bay Packers (Stu's Pick: Packers)
5. New York Giants vs. 4. x - San Francisco 49ers (Stu's Pick: Giants)
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1. x - Philadelphia Eagles (first round bye, homefield advantage through NFC Championship)
2. x - Tampa Bay Buccaneers (first round bye)

x- Division Champion

It's Playoff Time :cool:

[Jason1]

Interesting...ESPN's rankings are mostly garbage though...

[The Germanator]

Honestly...I'll be happy if the Bucs win the NFC...if the Eagles made it to the conference finals, we'd beat em no matter what. Home or away, they're scared of the Eagles...Im frightened of Atlanta and Vick more than Tampa, I don't think anyone wants to play them in the play-offs. Anyway, go Eagles, AJ is gonna blow-up, and McNabb will be back to lead us through the Super Bowl, peace.

[Bond]

Originally posted by The Germanator
Honestly...I'll be happy if the Bucs win the NFC...if the Eagles made it to the conference finals, we'd beat em no matter what. Home or away, they're scared of the Eagles...Im frightened of Atlanta and Vick more than Tampa, I don't think anyone wants to play them in the play-offs. Anyway, go Eagles, AJ is gonna blow-up, and McNabb will be back to lead us through the Super Bowl, peace.
The Bucs? What have you been smoking?

If the Packers have home field advantage it's all over for the NFC playoffs. :)

[Dragon-Fly]

It's gonna be Tamba bay v-s Indionapolis or Pittsburg.

[The Germanator]

Originally posted by Bond
The Bucs? What have you been smoking?

If the Packers have home field advantage it's all over for the NFC playoffs. :)

Well obviously...but who is 9-2 and who is 8-3 and who holds the tie-breaker at this point? The Bucs...they are in much better position to win it now. And that's what I was saying, I don't care if the Bucs win homefield, I would be scared if the Packers won, but I don't think they will pull it off, considering the Eagles (probably) and the Bucs will have the tie-breakers over them...

[Professor S]

What? Did you watch the Eagles Bucs game this year? In case you didn't notice the Eagles won and they are underfeated in the NFC. Thois means as of now they have the tie breaker over EVERYONE in the NFC.

Tampa Bay is a paper champion, and a thin one at that. Brad Johnson has a rubber arm and their defense ISN'T the Ravens defense of 2 years past. Their record is a reflection of their weak as a baby schedule. They have 9 wins, but only 2 of them are on teams with winning records. OOOOOOOH... let me shudder in fear...

The Eagles exposed them and I don't think they will go past their first game in the playoffs, no matter if they have a bye or home field advantage. First game, they lose. Remember I said that.

[Jason1]

Originally posted by Dragon-Fly
It's gonna be Tamba bay v-s Indionapolis or Pittsburg.

Damn straight.

Im actually expecting Pittsburgh-Green Bay. That would be like a Dream come true.

On a side note, I found this funny movie on shockwave.com, its about this Pittsburgh Steeler fan who tried to fly to heaven during a Pittsburgh Steeler game, I think its very well made, and its funny.

http://atomfilms.shockwave.com/af/content/icarus

[Perfect Stu]

Saying that the Bucs are nothing special is also saying Green Bay is terribly overrated, since the Bucs spanked GB last week.

Eagles fans...I think that Philly is a top 3-4 team, but I wouldn't put them ahead of the Bucs...yet

the Eagles have proved that they're quite inconsistant. They got beat by 3 teams in the AFC South, which is considered one of the weaker divisions in football, in 3 meetings. There's no excuse for losing to Tennessee, Jacksonville and then get destroyed by the Colts who were coming off a 3 game losing streak.

And if you're gonna go by only head to head matchups, it would mean that the Texans could be better than any other team in the league since they beat the Jags who beat the Eagles who beat the Bucs who beat the Packers and so on.

the Eagles did expose the fact that Tampa can be quite beatable. But the Colts did the same to the Eagles....only it wasn't a 20-10 game....it was a 35-13 game :unsure:

I still think the Eagles are easily a top 5 team...but not the best

oh, and my prediction for the Super Bowl is Miami vs. Tampa

[The Germanator]

I see your point...but if there is anything consistent about the Eagles, it's that they beat the Buccanears...2 times in a row in the playoffs and earlier this year in a playoff like game. Also, for now we're talking about playoff positioning within the conference. Ok...we're 1-3 in AFC, but 7-0 in the NFC, which is the main concern at this point. We'll worry about the AFC again when we get to the Super Bowl. I think that if the Eagles secure a first round bye, we'll be a pretty good lock for the super bowl birth...it'll give McNabb more time to prepare (well he may be back for week 17), and a home game at the Vet in it's last year will be insane...But of course, the Eagles have let me down before, and nothing is safe in the NFL these days...it's still way to early to talk, I probably jinxed them...oh well

[Dragon-Fly]

Well, Miami, to me will not make it past their first match in the Playoff's, that is if they make it. Theirs a lot of teams, that wake of near the end. And Pats are Waking up, Buffalo, Must win tonight, or else, they can nearly say good bye. And The Jets have really woke up, from their horrible start.
So to me, Miami, if they go to the playoff's won't go far. Super Bowl --> Miami "NO". We can find out this week, and next week, who has a better chance to make it.
Green bay, could of clinched Playoff birth like, 2 weeks a go, And they still have to.

[Bond]

Originally posted by Dragon-Fly

Green bay, could of clinched Playoff birth like, 2 weeks a go, And they still have to.
We are obviously going to clinch the division, no contest.

[Professor S]

Miami???

Ok, someone's been smoking crack again...

And yes, Green Bay is WAY overrated. They are Brett Favre. If Brett plays inconsistently, which he has been, the Packers play inconcistently. As long as they don't get Home Field in the playoffs, which they won't, I have no worries about them.

[Dragon-Fly]

Yes they will Clinch, but what i'm saying is that they had oppertunities, to clinch 2 weeks a go, but they lost stupid games, that they should have won.

[Bond]

Originally posted by Dragon-Fly
Yes they will Clinch, but what i'm saying is that they had oppertunities, to clinch 2 weeks a go, but they lost stupid games, that they should have won.
Well, you could say that about any team. We are 2 minutes away from clinching this week, the first team to do so this year.

[The Germanator]

Woohoo! Guess who is first the old NFC right now? That's right, the Eagles. :D Coupled with the Tampa loss, we have moved into first with the easiest part of our schedule up ahead...If we can win out, which we can and should...The NFC is coming through the Vet baby, look out.

[ZebraRampage]

Woohoo I didn't expect us to win both the Rams and the 49ers. Too bad Feeley couldn't throw a touchdown pass, but then again everyone kept fumbling. I think that Feeley did a really nice job. Now the Eagles are 8-0 in the NFC and we are tied for the best record in the NFL so that makes us on top! But since McNabb is out, they can't get cocky just because they are in first place, but I doubt that they will. The Seahawks are going down.

[Perfect Stu]

Colts are tied for the lead in the AFC

next up, Titans...bring it on Air McNair

[Professor S]

If the Eagles drop another game this season, it will be to the Seahawks, and that would be the idea game to lose if they were to lose one.

1) Its an AFC team. My Iggles haven't done well in that division this year.

2) Second West Coast game in 3 weeks. All those plane rides can't be good.

3) Eagles have come off of 2 emotional games to lay a non-coonference opponent. I smell let down.

4) the Seahawks now have film of Feeley and what he can do. They'll know the majority of plays that he'll run, whicch isn't many. I believe the Eagles ran one play 9 times on Sunday. If they don't get some more plays in there he's in trouble.

If the Eagles lose to the Seahawk I see them winning the rest of their games, seeing as they never lose 2 in a row and the last 2 games are against divisional opponents with no hope for the playoffs, plus they'll have Detmer back by then.

Stu, aren't you Canadian? Shouldn't you be rooting for the Newfoundland Razor Backed Aeronautical Engineers or something? J/K :D

[Perfect Stu]

Thread is updated :)

[Professor S]

I just wanted to say you're doing an excellent job with this thread Stu. Someone should stickify it if they haven't already.

I do have to say I think you're smoking dope if you think the Falcons are the best team in the NFL. One dimensional. The entire offense is Michael Vick and they have an average defense.

Great. He passed and ran for 173 yards. 173 yards passing for a first string quarterback SUCKS. They bare;y beat the Vikings, who SUCK. I think they might win one game in the playoffs, but thats all she wrote.

[The Germanator]

Actually Strangler, the Seahawks are an NFC team...they swtiched over with re-alignment and stuff, but I know what you mean about a letdown game...We've been going back from East to West Coast like crazy lately, and Hasselbeck is actually a pretty good QB, he threw for like 400 yards last week. Though Andy Reid has done a great job of coaching and making a good gameplan for our new QB's, so a win is in clear site, but a loss wouldn't be shocking either...I really want us to win these last 4 though...home-field advantage would be incredibly clutch right now...

[Professor S]

Whoops, the reallignment has my stuff all screwed up. But I still should have known that... :D

[Bond]

Originally posted by The Strangler
I do have to say I think you're smoking dope if you think the Falcons are the best team in the NFL. One dimensional. The entire offense is Michael Vick and they have an average defense.

As long as they beat the Bucs I'm happy. :)

[Perfect Stu]

The Falcons are 7-0-1 in their last 8 games. Nobody has beaten them since the first week in October. Does it really matter if their offense is one dimensional when they're putting up over 26 points per game? When they lose, I'll throw them back to 7th or 8th, because I don't believe they're the best overall team in the league...their schedule has been easier than other teams', they have some problems on defense, etc....but my power rankings have a lot to do with current streaks, and living up to expectations.

I can't even say who the best team in the NFL is today, so I have to follow other criteria. If the Falcons played the Eagles today I think the Falcons would beat them. The Eagles scored 3 points on offense against the Rams :unsure:

*note* I'm not smoking crack or dope, and I do know a lot about football. Opinions are meant to be differed with.

[Professor S]

Hey touchy guy, let it slide. When talking about sports ytou're SUPPOSED to talk about how the other guy who dissagrees with you has no idea what they're talking about. You do this whether they do or not. Its the whole uber-testosterone neanderthal principle of sports :D

No offense meant.

PS - Brian Dawkins would hospitalize Vick if they played today, and then the Falcons would simply go home and forfeit the rest of the season. As for the 3 points of offense last game, take away the dropped balls and abberant penalties and the Eag;es would have scored 17 points on offense with their 3rd string QB. Not to shabby. SO IF YOU KNOW A LOT ABOUT FOOTBALL... ACT LIKE IT!!! (remember... uber testosterone neanderthal principle...:D
)

Bond... I couldn't agree more. Bucs SUCK and are the most overrated team in football.

[Perfect Stu]

You CAN'T take away dropped balls and penalties

that's a huge part of football

3 points on offense is crap...the Colts destroyed the Eagles without Edgerrin James and with the Eagles having a healthy McNabb....explain that :D

[Professor S]

Eagles are undefeated in Conference games... you know... ones that MATTER. Explain that. :D

[Perfect Stu]

I'll explain it to you...the Eagles are a good team and the only playoff-worthy team they've beaten in the NFC is the Bucs...

the Eagles have had a snore for a schedule

beat teams like Atlanta, New Orleans, Green Bay, Denver, Oakland, San Diego, Miami, then get back to me...good luck in the SuperBowl...the only AFC team you've beaten is the Texans :lol:

who was/is your toughest opponent this year? :confused:

I would hope you wouldn't say the Bucs, considering they 'SUCK'

Now, as I was kind enough to answer your request, please answer mine.

The Eagles lost to the Indianapolis Colts who had recently lost to the Steelers, Redskins and Titans...the score of the game was an embarrassing 35-13, especially when the Colts had no Edgerrin James. To me, no number one team in the NFL should lose a game like that. Please explain :D

[Bond]

Look I'll try to be nonbiased (har har har):

The Eagles have had a very easy schedule this season, but then again so has Tampa Bay. Before I thought Philly was just McNabb... I mean obviously the Falcons are Vick, without Vick the Falcons are Bengal-worthy. But the Eagles have proven to me they can win without McNabb The Eagles have won two games with their 2nd and 3rd string QB. But then again so have the Rams so it is hard to say.

Green Bay could never win without Brett Favre. I mean Pederson is a fairly good quarterback, but it just wouldn't happen. So I find myself respecting the Eagles much more. They aren't just McNabb. In the end football is a game. If the Packers get knocked out of the players I'm going to be cheering for the Eagles.

Although of course the Pack is still better... :p

[The Germanator]

Originally posted by Perfect Stu
I'll explain it to you...the Eagles are a good team and the only playoff-worthy team they've beaten in the NFC is the Bucs...

the Eagles have had a snore for a schedule

beat teams like Atlanta, New Orleans, Green Bay, Denver, Oakland, San Diego, Miami, then get back to me...good luck in the SuperBowl...the only AFC team you've beaten is the Texans :lol:

who was/is your toughest opponent this year? :confused:

I would hope you wouldn't say the Bucs, considering they 'SUCK'

Now, as I was kind enough to answer your request, please answer mine.

The Eagles lost to the Indianapolis Colts who had recently lost to the Steelers, Redskins and Titans...the score of the game was an embarrassing 35-13, especially when the Colts had no Edgerrin James. To me, no number one team in the NFL should lose a game like that. Please explain :D

Well...the Eagles have also played the 49'ers, who will surely come out of the West. Basically we've beaten the division leaders of the South and West and are undefeated in our own conference. Sure, we might not have played that many tough opponents, but that's what happens when you are in an easy division to begin with. Everyone plays easy teams, and it comes down to the playoffs anyway...so hey, sometimes it is about taking care of buisness and beating the teams you are supposed to...The Packers couldn't do it while playing the Vikings, and was Tampa supposed to lose to New Orleans twice? I'll admit, the losses to Tennesee and Jacksonville were pretty awful, though at the same time Tenessee is 7-5 and still in the playoff hunt...I didn't expect the Eagles to lose so badly to the Colts, but it's not like they are a piece of trash team, as you said, they are tied for 1st in the AFC. Again in comes down to this...what does it matter losing to AFC teams when the next 4 regular season (2 playoff hopefully) are against NFC teams? Of course if we get to the super bowl we'll have to play an AFC team, but at that point, it's just one team against another, and we'll see who the true champion is.

P.S: about the 3 offensive points against the Rams...I think that was a beautiful thing...Who doesn't want a team who can only score 3 offensive points and win? As they say, defense wins championships and the Eagles cetainly have a championship caliber defense while still being a top 5 league offense. Plus it was a 3rd string quarterback who is miles below the QB that McNabb is...hence, other teams defenses can focus on our potent running game, instead of having to worry about McNabb. I just think that this proves that we are a real team, it's not like the Rams were pushovers either...they had beaten an undefeated Raiders team and had won 5 games in a row despite their overall struggles...anyway...I've wasted too much time talking football today. :-/

[ZebraRampage]

As for the Eagles game against the Rams, there were a lot of fumbles on both sides. It was pretty chilly that evening and very windy so the ball was probably really slick, but I guess there is no excuse for fumbling if you can catch the ball in that kind of weather. And Stu I think that the Eagles can beat the Falcons, Saints, and Packers; but it is the AFC teams that they probably won't be able to beat. The AFC obviously has the tougher teams and it shows, beause look at the records of the teams. No team in the AFC can clinch their division until the last game. The AFC is a very equal conference so most of the team's scores will be equal. In the NFC, teams either have great records or horrible records, so that shows that a lot of teams in the NFC aren't real good, hence why the Eagles have an easy schedule.

[Professor S]

Lets see, the Eagles beat the 49ers also, and if you don't think they are a playoff worthy team, you are being just silly. They are all around a better team than ther Falcons. If you can't see that, I don't know what else to tell you. You are blind.

True, the Eagles may have had an easy schedule, but then again they have defeated many teams as they should have, and quite handily.

Flat out: The Eagles are tied for the best record in football, and the team they are tied with they beat handily. If they aren't the best team in football, I don't know who is. But it sure as hell ain't the Falcons.

[Perfect Stu]

Originally posted by The Strangler
Lets see, the Eagles beat the 49ers also, and if you don't think they are a playoff worthy team, you are being just silly. They are all around a better team than ther Falcons. If you can't see that, I don't know what else to tell you. You are blind.

True, the Eagles may have had an easy schedule, but then again they have defeated many teams as they should have, and quite handily.

Flat out: The Eagles are tied for the best record in football, and the team they are tied with they beat handily. If they aren't the best team in football, I don't know who is. But it sure as hell ain't the Falcons.

This is such an easy arguement for you, Strangler, because you have 2 other Eagles fans backing you up.

First of all, the 49ers are WAY overrated. Their defense sucks, and if you contain Terell Owens, any decent team will win. If the 9ers were in a tougher division OR the AFC they wouldn't be making the playoffs this year. If you can't see that, you're retarded and blind.

With a healthy McNabb, the Eagles could very well be the best team in the NFL. (but right now, without McNabb, I can think of a handful of teams who would beat them) I myself can't really decide on who has the most complete team. Here are my nominees for best all-around team when healthy:

Philadelphia Eagles:

A blitz-happy top 3 defense (3rd in total defense to be exact) in the league backed up (when healthy) with one of the most complete quarterbacks in the league on offense. They have a couple of good backs and a deep receiving unit to keep things solidified.

Denver Broncos

Toughest defense against the run (although Tomlinson made a case against that last week) with a talented secondary to keep the big play a no-option. Their offense consists of a deep receiving unit, a very talented rookie back, and a smart quarterback.

Indianapolis Colts

Have turned around their defense to second in the NFL in overall defense. When their offense is on, they're damn near unstoppable. When Edgerrin James is healthy, he's a top 3 back in the league, as he's proven in his first 2 (and only 2 healthy) seasons when he led the league in rushing both years. Throw in the best 1-2 punch in football (Manning-Harrison) and you have the best play-action offense in the league.

Oakland Raiders

Offense is the specialty here. Two THOUSAND catch receivers (plus Jerry Porter), a veteren Pro-Bowl quarterback in Rich Gannon, and the most versitile back in the league (Charlie Garner). Their defense aint too shabby, either. Ranked 12th in overall defense, the Raiders have a very talented secondary. These guys usually take an early lead, and teams find it very hard to come back.

Miami Dolphins

A very well rounded team. On offense, they mix a smart quarterback with young receivers and a train known as Ricky Williams. It doesn't stop there though. With the 5th ranked overall defense, they can win low-scoring games if they have to. One of the most talented young ends in the game (Taylor), linebackers (Thomas) and possibly the best secondary in the league make up their D.

Green Bay Packers

Brett Favre is the heart and soul of this talented team. Their running game mixes finesse with power and the young receivers pull their weight. Their defense complicates me...They lead the league in take-aways, but I also see them do things like have the Vikings light them up and have the Bears score 14 or 17 points in the first half last week.

It would be nice if everyone could list their top 10 teams in the NFL

[The Germanator]

The Germanator's top 10...
1.Philadelphia Eagles (suprise pick)
2.Green Bay Packers
3.Oakland Raiders
4.Atlanta Falcons
5.Indianpolis Colts
6.Tampa Bay Buccanears
7.San Diego Chargers
8.New Orleans Saints
9.Denver Broncos
10.Miami Dolphins

[Perfect Stu]

Originally posted by The Germanator
2.Green Bay Packers

:hmm:

are you bond in disguise?

Originally posted by The Germanator
5.Indianapolis Colts

right on the money.

[Bond]

Originally posted by The Germanator

2.Green Bay Packers

Almost on the money!

Here are mine:

1. Green Bay Packers
2. Philadelphia Eagles
3. Oakland Raiders
4. San Diego Chargers
5. Indianpolis Colts
6. Tampa Bay Buccanears
7. Atlanta Falcons
8. New Orleans Saints
9. Denver Broncos
10. Miami Dolphins

I've never really liked to list how good teams are though. The Patriots should probably be on there and I suppose the Chargers are ranked to high, but oh well.

[The Germanator]

Originally posted by Perfect Stu
:hmm:

are you bond in disguise?



right on the money.

Haha, no, but the Pack are my 2nd favorite team...My dad grew up Wisconsin, so he has pushed me to like them a bit, I had to stay with my own hometown team though...

[Bond]

Originally posted by The Germanator
Haha, no, but the Pack are my 2nd favorite team...My dad grew up Wisconsin, so he has pushed me to like them a bit, I had to stay with my own hometown team though...
That's right, Wisconsin pride. Did your Dad live in Green Bay? Madison? Milwaukee?

[The Germanator]

He lived in Madison...he also went to a small college in Wisconsin called Lawrence , I don't know if you've heard of it or something...I went out there once, it's a great state ya got there.

[Professor S]

Greeen Bay is an odd team. On grass they are excellent. At home they are next to unbeatable. On turf they are average at best. In a dome they suck. Go figure.

[ZebraRampage]

1. Green Bay Packers
2. Philadelphia Eagles
3. Oakland Raiders
4. Indianapolis Colts
5. Tampa Bay Buccanears
6. Denver Broncos
7. San Diego Chargers
8. New Orleans Saints
9. Atlanta Falcons
10. Miami Dolphins

I just have one thing to say about the Eagles. Ever since the 49ers game they have shown how determined they are. Even though the Rams game ended with a 10-3 win I still think that they played well, it was mainly the fumbles that made the game low scoring, not A.J. Feeley, cause he probably would have had two TDs. So with their recievers finally catching the ball and Deuce Staley running very well, they will be even better when McNabb comes back. Their offensive line holds off the other teams defense and allows McNabb all the time in the world. Their defense should be second in the league, but with those 5 TDs that the Colts scored they lost that spot. They probably have the best secondary in the league with Dawkins, Talyor, Vincent, and Bishop. I think that once we get things together that we will do well. I'm just worried about home field advantage because if they have to play the Packers at Lambeau then we are done for.

[Dragon-Fly]

Oakland Raiders first. LOL

No,no,no,

Top 5

1: Green Bay
2: Phiadelphia
3: Oakland
4: Tampa Bay
5: Indianapolis

Those are my top 5 Pics, still Mad, New England can't even be in top 10.

[ZebraRampage]

Yes I just realized that Oakland isn't the best team. So I'm gonna change that.

[Stonecutter]

Ok, top ten

#1 Raiders

Gannon, rice, and garner will lead the way for the O and that's a mean defense. Janakowski is sold and the team is full of old guys who want to win. If they don't get screwed by the tuck rule they probably win the super bowl last year, this year they won't be stopped.

#2 Chargers

Good Defense + Good running game = Championships. It's that simple. I don't care how sexy throwing the ball is, if you can't run, you can't win. The rams didn't win last year because Martz started thinking too much. Shottenheimer won't have that problem.

#3 Bucks

Again with the defense. Here's another team that won't win with any razzle-dazzle but they just pound the crap out of you. If they get home field advantage in the NFC they won't lose a playoff game. If the have to play anywhere where it's less than 41 degrees out (gb/philly) then they'll fall.

#4 Eagles

What a defense what a team. Hopefully feely can put up enough offense to get them to the playoffs with a bye but hopefully he doesn't to well enough to warrant a qb controversy when mcnabb gets back.

#5 Steelers

What can't you say about Maddox (well, if he comes back and sucks there's a lot you can't say about him but lets forget that for the moment) If Maddox comes back they might be the only team that has a shot at the raiders and chargers in the AFC. The defense still kicks ass and Ward/Burras give them the kind of passing game that team hasn't had since swann/stallworth. Expect Bettis to turn it up on in the playoffs.

Here's where we hit the wall.

Next we have the two "superstar" teams.

#6 Packers #7 Falcons

I don't think either of these teams is very good, especially the falcons but 4 on the pack and 7 on the Falcons take them both to another level. The packers aren't very good. I watched them come close to losing to my bears last weekend and the bears are so banged up and worn out from losing there's no way any team should ever come close to losing to them yet if not for a fumble and a stupid lack of block by RW McQuarters the pack would have gone down 28-6 in the third quarter. The pack's defense is beatable and the offense is favre. Perhaps the best quarterback ever. If they get home field look out.

The falcons are bad. Not bengal bad (the bangles are THE WORST franchise in professional sports) not even bear bad, but they're a 15-20 ranked team with potentially the most devastating single player ever. If vick stays white hot they could take a run at the NFC championship, that would only take 3 wins.

To round out the top ten we have 3 teams that are very similar. The Saints, 9ers and Colts. All three teams try to get by with that three headed monster WR/QB/RB combo. They all have below average defenses too (actually the colts D isn't that bad stat wise but I don't consider them in the same league as the broncos/raiders/bucs/chargers/eagles et al.) None of these three are super bowl contenders but maybe just maybe one of them will sneak into their conference's' championship game.

And just for fun

#32 Bengals

GOOD GOD these guys are so awful. They can't get any kind of consistency going. Their management can't draft to save their lives. I think whoever gets the #2 pick in the draft will be the luckiest team in the league (anybody the bungles want can't possibly someone who should be on your team) I do love that TJ Houshmandezdeh guy though, what a great name.

#31 Panthers

I know they won last week, they still suck. It's especially bad when your punter is your best player

#30 Vikings

Mike Tyce=Meathead
Randy Moss=Psycho
Culpeper=Pissed at his situation

Well, when these guys are the San Antonio vikings in a few years and cullpeper is gone and moss is in jail maybe the whole world will finally realize what a moron Dennis Green was and then I can be happy

#29 Lions :banghead:

When you kick off in overtime, you deserve to lose.

#28 Texans

Not bad for an expansion team but I smell another panthers situation here. Good for a few years but mortgage their entire future for a fanbase.

#27 Cardinals

I was on the Jake Plumber bandwagon for a good 3 years but for god sakes cardinal management give it up. This team really doesn't have anyone left. Thomas Jones was a huge bust and I don't think their draft pick ever signed. Oh well.

#26 Seahawks

There's no reason why this team should be bad, but yet..... I think we have another case of the supersized ego (not to be confused with the superego) of the head coach who believed he could be a GM. Again, no defense, no wins for you.

#25 Cowboys

Decent defense but not good enough, especially against the pass. Combinde this with one of the worst offensive situations in the league and you've got crap.

#24 Redskins

Wow, Steve Inferior was given a team with a great defense but he seems intent on not letting them do their business. His offense is awful. Not one good receiver among the bunch and the only quarterback he has who has anything going for him is mathewes yet he insists on playing danny "I throw the ball like a hand grenade" wurffel. Steve, it's not hard. You see that guy with the number 46 on his jersey? That's stephen davis. He's what's called a running back. Give him the ball 30 times a game and maybe you'll have a chance to win.

See you back in the NCAA in a few years.

#23 Bears

I never believed my bears were 13 and 3 good last year but to deny they were any worse than 10-6 or 9-7 takes a packer fan :) Everything that possibly could have gone wrong this year has. Thomas, Holdman, Terell, Tucker, Washington, Columbo all are out for the season and half of the rest of the team is banged up. Combine that with home games at U of I and not getting ANY breaks at all this year and you have the team at 3-9. I think if they draft well in april and find a quarterback (maybe sign culpeper or bulger) the could be back in the playoffs next year with a 9-7 to 11-5 record.

[MasterMind]

Originally posted by Stonecutter
Ok, top ten


#30 Vikings

Mike Tyce=Meathead
Randy Moss=Psycho
Culpeper=Pissed at his situation

Well, when these guys are the San Antonio vikings in a few years and cullpeper is gone and moss is in jail maybe the whole world will finally realize what a moron Dennis Green was and then I can be happy



Although the Vikings suck, Randy Moss is not a psycho, he will not be in jail, Culpepper sucks, and the Vikings are not moving anywhere. You have other athletes who are worse then Moss who aren't even in jail, so why would Moss be? Don't hate on him just because he is the best receiver out there.

[Professor S]

Randy Moss is the reason why the Vikings suck. His "I don't care about anything but myself" attitude has been infectious. It has ruined Culpepper and made Cris Carter stop caring about football. If I could get Randy Moss on my team for $10 a year I wouldn't want him. He is poison and the Vikings have let him make their whole team sick.

There is a reason why most teams let himpass by in the draft.

Is he incredibly talented? Yes, but so was Jeff George. Look at where he is now. Attitude is everything, therefore he is nothing and never will be as long as he keeps acting like a child.

[Stonecutter]

Originally posted by MasterMind
Although the Vikings suck, Randy Moss is not a psycho, he will not be in jail, Culpepper sucks, and the Vikings are not moving anywhere. You have other athletes who are worse then Moss who aren't even in jail, so why would Moss be? Don't hate on him just because he is the best receiver out there.


RUNNING FVCKING HUMAN BEINGS OVER WITH CARS IS NOT SOMETHING NORMAL PEOPLE DO!

GOD! How can people not think there is something seriously psycologicly wrong with randy moss?

Maybe he won't be in jail but he sure as hell deserves it. the people out there who are "worse than him" should be in jail too. Best reciever out there LOL Owens, Harrison, Ward, Rice, Driver, Horn are all better recievers. Hell marty booker is a better player than randy moss this year.

Oh yeah, don't think the vikings wouldn't move to San Antoinio if they could. Their owner is from texas, he wants out of minnesota and He's having trouble getting a new stadium to replace the ****ty hump dome. The nfl has to approve moves and they won't let the vikings go as long as they make money in minnesota because they know if they move and they're profitable then they'll just need to put another expansion team up there.

[Bond]

Originally posted by Stonecutter
RUNNING FVCKING HUMAN BEINGS OVER WITH CARS IS NOT SOMETHING NORMAL PEOPLE DO!

GOD! How can people not think there is something seriously psycologicly wrong with randy moss?

Maybe he won't be in jail but he sure as hell deserves it. the people out there who are "worse than him" should be in jail too. Best reciever out there LOL Owens, Harrison, Ward, Rice, Driver, Horn are all better recievers. Hell marty booker is a better player than randy moss this year.

Oh yeah, don't think the vikings wouldn't move to San Antoinio if they could. Their owner is from texas, he wants out of minnesota and He's having trouble getting a new stadium to replace the ****ty hump dome. The nfl has to approve moves and they won't let the vikings go as long as they make money in minnesota because they know if they move and they're profitable then they'll just need to put another expansion team up there.
Even though Stonecutter is a Bears fan... and he ranked Green Bay way too low... I have to agree with him here. Randy Moss is a royal ass. If you add up what he has done in high school, college, and the pros it's quite a record. Randy Moss is the direct reason why the Vikings are awful, and my Packers will prove it tonight on ESPN Sunday Night Football. :)

By the way MasterMind, could you please name one current Vikings player who is respectable, a model citizen, and has never had any problems with the law?

[Stonecutter]

Well, nothing will bring bears and packers fans together quite like bashing vikings fans.

"Way too low?"

Which of those teams do you actually believe the packers are better than? I'll agree that pittsburgh just didn't show up today and SD lost (though to the raiders) but can you honestly say the packers should be ranked higher than 4th?

[The Germanator]

Well...the Packers didn't look all that impressive tonight, but hey, they came back and got the win, that's what matters I suppose. Haha, that little scrum at the end was fairly amusing though.

[Professor S]

I fear Lambeau Field. The Eagles need to win out and get homefield or at least get one home game if Greenbay fails to get homefield. The Packers at the Vet don't scare me. The Packers at home do. But put Brett on the s**tty Vet turf and watch the interceptions just fall into Bobby Taylor's hands :D

[ZebraRampage]

Originally posted by The Strangler
I fear Lambeau Field. The Eagles need to win out and get homefield or at least get one home game if Greenbay fails to get homefield. The Packers at the Vet don't scare me. The Packers at home do. But put Brett on the s**tty Vet turf and watch the interceptions just fall into Bobby Taylor's hands :D

I agree, the Vet's turf is horrible. The Eagles seem to do fine on it, but I guess that's because they are used to it. They should be able to pull off home field advantage because the Packers are 8-3 in the NFC and the Eagles are 9-0 in the NFC and with only three games left (all NFC games) the Eagles will at least have one win, but I bet the will win a three of their last games, so they will clinch home field advantage.

Did any of you see Lincoln Financial Field yet. The stands are very steep and the stadium is higher than the Vet.

[Bond]

Originally posted by Stonecutter
Well, nothing will bring bears and packers fans together quite like bashing vikings fans.

"Way too low?"

Which of those teams do you actually believe the packers are better than? I'll agree that pittsburgh just didn't show up today and SD lost (though to the raiders) but can you honestly say the packers should be ranked higher than 4th?
Those damn Vikings... we hate them all!

Ok, my #1 ranking of the Pack is a tad biased, I will admit it. But if you asked me to rank the Packers from a nonbiased perspective, I would honestly rank them 3rd. In the entire NFL.

Well...the Packers didn't look all that impressive tonight, but hey, they came back and got the win, that's what matters I suppose. Haha, that little scrum at the end was fairly amusing though.
I agree. The Packers didn't play all that well, but they rallied to get the win and that is all that matters. By the way, I bet four or five Vikings players will get nice little fines in the mail from the friendly NFL come Tuesday.

[Stonecutter]

The vet has the worst turf of any stadium in sports. The turf that covers second base has nothing but cement underneath it.

Does anyone rembember a bears eagles game back in 93 at the vet? Bears WR Wendell Davis broke both his knees when he went out for a pass and fell on that crappy turf. Too bad.

heh, vikings suck.

[Bond]

Originally posted by Stonecutter

heh, vikings suck.
Hey Stonecutter, have you ever seen the Viking's trophy case? Har har har...

34-0

Yep, you guessed it. That is Brett Favre's record in home games when the temperature at kickoff is 34 or lower. Here's hoping for homefield advantage. :D

[The Germanator]

Originally posted by Stonecutter
The vet has the worst turf of any stadium in sports. The turf that covers second base has nothing but cement underneath it.

Does anyone rembember a bears eagles game back in 93 at the vet? Bears WR Wendell Davis broke both his knees when he went out for a pass and fell on that crappy turf. Too bad.



Yep...that's why the Eagles are saying good bye to old faithful at the end of the year. Hopefully that's not until the NFC championship game. :D

Of course we'll see the Phillies play at the vet for another year, so the beast will not be put to sleep until next September...(maybe October with Thome :sneaky: )

[ZebraRampage]

Oooooooo I can't wait for the Vet to go down. My dad and I are definitely going to see it and it will be awesome, probably just like the King Dome in Seattle.

What do you guys think about the AFC, which teams do you think are out of it after being in the race. I think that the Bills, and the Broncos are finally out of it and I'm kind of surprised that the Broncos are, but they have had a tough schedule.

[Jason1]

Woo! Go Steelers!

*remembers they got beat 24-6 by the Texans this week*

*sits quitely in corner*

[The Germanator]

Yeah man, that Steelers game was uuuuuugly. The Texans get 47 yards and 3 first downs and win by 18 points? *does not compute* That's why defense wins football games....

[Stonecutter]

I forgot about that. WOO bye bye vet. Now all we have to do is get rid of cinergy in cincinnati and busch in st. louis and we can forever purge baseball of those suckey awful cookie cutter stadiums.

[Perfect Stu]

the Steelers blew chucks on Sunday.

My Colts lost too, but not like THAT...to the TEXANS

[Jason1]

Originally posted by Perfect Stu
the Steelers blew chucks on Sunday.

My Colts lost too, but not like THAT...to the TEXANS


:mad:

but yes, that is pretty pathetic...Damn good thing their division is so horrible.:D

[Dragon-Fly]

NE has woken up and Miami are still hanging their. I think NE will win that division, but by one win.

But i think either Green Bay or Pittsburg will win the Super Bowl this year.

[RagedHybrid]

Miami Has just beat the best team in the AFC. Oh Yeah!!!! Were #1

[Professor S]

Falcons Lose
Saints Lose
Tampa Barely beats the Lions

Philly and Green Bay win handily...

See you at the NFC championship game Bond :D

[Perfect Stu]

Originally posted by The Strangler
Philly and Green Bay win handily...

heh...I agree with you about Philly...but I bet you weren't watching the Packers game...I was, and it was tense at the end

Colts won too :) Marvin Harrison is simply Marvelous

http://www.indystar.com/users/multimedia/galleries/2002/12/coltsweek15a/photo09.jpg
Marvin Harrison (88) brings down his record-breaking 124th reception of the season during the third quarter :rock:
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http://www.indystar.com/users/multimedia/galleries/2002/12/coltsweek15b/photo05.jpg
"Colts receiver Marvin Harrison (88) and tackle Tarik Glenn (78) banter with a group of surly Cleveland fans after Harrison scored a fourth quarter touchdown." :lol:
http://www.indystar.com/users/multimedia/galleries/2002/12/coltsweek15b/photo04.jpg
http://www.indystar.com/users/multimedia/galleries/2002/12/coltsweek15b/photo10.jpg
Peyton Manning (left) and Marvin Harrison teamed up for two touchdowns, giving them 57 pitch-and-catch scores in the five seasons they've played for the Colts

:)

[Perfect Stu]

Thread Updated with some new content :D

[Professor S]

Oh, I stopped tracking the Green Bay game when it looked like Green Bay had it in hand. It was tense at the end. Hmmmmm... Green Bay was playing on grass too, they should have done better if they are going to make the stretch run.

[Bond]

The weather was horrible at San Francisco though. Up to 25 MPH winds I heard, and at times heavy rain. Add on to that our countless injures. We played good for the conditions.

NFC Championship
Eagles vs. Packers

That would be a great game...

[Professor S]

Farve is probably the best bad weather QB out there, too. Thats my worry once Donovan comes back. he struggles in less than ideal conditions.

[Bond]

Originally posted by The Strangler
Farve is probably the best bad weather QB out there, too. Thats my worry once Donovan comes back. he struggles in less than ideal conditions.
Right now, I actually think you guys are better off without McNabb. I mean, your team as a whole has been playing much better. Maybe it's because they're without their leader, or maybe it's because McNabb overshadows them. But it has to be something.

[Professor S]

I think that without McNabb the Eagles finally realize that they are a good offense, and not just the Donovan McNabb Show. Now the question is when MCNabb comes back will they be that much better, or will they go back to the same old same old.

If Donovan takes a lesson from the stellar game he played with a broken leg and stops hopping around the pocket like a jack rabbit and starts trusting his receivers like Koy and Feeley are doing right now, the Eagles will be next to unbeatable.

[Bond]

Originally posted by The Strangler
I think that without McNabb the Eagles finally realize that they are a good offense, and not just the Donovan McNabb Show. Now the question is when MCNabb comes back will they be that much better, or will they go back to the same old same old.

If Donovan takes a lesson from the stellar game he played with a broken leg and stops hopping around the pocket like a jack rabbit and starts trusting his receivers like Koy and Feeley are doing right now, the Eagles will be next to unbeatable.
I basically agree.

I mean, before McNabb went out I was lead to believe McNabb had to do everything on his own. Obviously everyone now knows that that is not the case. He had fairly capable receivers at his disposal, but he never really did use them to their limit. Or even close for that matter. But I think that McNabb will come back the same as he came into the season. That's why Detimer and Feeley are better starts in my opinion.

[ZebraRampage]

I think that once McNabb comes back the team will be much better. The offense has stepped up and I don't think it will go back to the way it had before. McNabb has probably seen that in these last 4 games that he can now trust his recievers more so and he has a good arm so I think that they will definitely be better. I didn't like how the defense slacked off at the end of the game yesterday. They allowed 2 Redskin TDs, I guess they got kind of cocky, but we can't have that.

[Jason1]

Originally posted by Stonecutter
I forgot about that. WOO bye bye vet. Now all we have to do is get rid of cinergy in cincinnati and busch in st. louis and we can forever purge baseball of those suckey awful cookie cutter stadiums.


Hey now...lets not dis Busch Stadium...it is way more functional than that Old rusting Peice of crap Wrigley Field. But, alas, your wish will soon get granted. Cardinals plan to be in a new Stadium for the 2006 season, which means bye bye bush...:(

But back on topic...Steelers won yesterday...makes them a respectable 8-5-1.

[The Germanator]

The Eagles will play Donovan McNabb when he is healthy enough to play and there is no doubt that this is the right move, but the only thing that I worry about is rust. It's hard to throw a QB into a 2nd round playoff game (hopefully), and that the game is his first in 7-8 weeks. The team is playing great now and I just worry that the adjustment time may take a quarter or a half in that first game, and basically you can't sacrifice that much time for such a huge game. My biggest wish is that Donovan could somehow, some way play in the regular season finally just to get his feet wet again. As we have shown though, we don't need the best QB to win, and even if Donovan isn't the same right away, we know that our running game and defense will keep us in games (and the crowd if we get home-field at the Vet)

P.S Jason Baker SUCKS...I'm serious, you never know how much you miss a guy like Sean Landeta until someone this bad takes his place. I don't want the other god damn team on the 45 yard line every time they get the ball...You simply cannot sacrifice that sort of field position in a meaningful game. (This was part of the reason that the Redskins were able to come back.) I doubt we can sign another punter this late in the year, so I guess we'll have to stick it out, I mean the guy gets a mock standing ovation for kicking the ball 40 yards like he's supposed to...I saw Akers limping after his last kickoff also...if we lost both of those guys, our special teams would be royally screwed.

EDIT: Hahahaha! I was just watching Sportsnite and Jason Baker was RELEASED. Thank god, I guess we know that we can get someone else that is hopefully better...oh well, that previous rant was useless. :p

[Stonecutter]

Originally posted by Jason1
Hey now...lets not dis Busch Stadium...it is way more functional than that Old rusting Peice of crap Wrigley Field.


LO FVCKING L

Have you ever been to Wrigley? I've been to both Wrigley and busch and if you think busch comes even close you're out of your mind. Wrigley is the crown jewel of baseball's stadiums. I've never been to fenway but that's the only stadium that could possibly match Wrigley.

[Stonecutter]

Originally posted by The Germanator
The Eagles will play Donovan McNabb when he is healthy enough to play and there is no doubt that this is the right move, but the only thing that I worry about is rust. It's hard to throw a QB into a 2nd round playoff game (hopefully), and that the game is his first in 7-8 weeks. The team is playing great now and I just worry that the adjustment time may take a quarter or a half in that first game, and basically you can't sacrifice that much time for such a huge game. My biggest wish is that Donovan could somehow, some way play in the regular season finally just to get his feet wet again. As we have shown though, we don't need the best QB to win, and even if Donovan isn't the same right away, we know that our running game and defense will keep us in games (and the crowd if we get home-field at the Vet)



You know, if I were the eagles I'd keep feely out there unless he loses one of the last two games (unless mcnabb can come back in week 17.) The only thing worse than not having your starter play is having a cold qb come in. Rembember when the bills tried that crap back in.....98? 99? either way the year that fluite was the starter the whole year then they decide to put rob johnson in for the playoff game. Hell, the same thing happened back in 86. The bears were in the playoffs and rather than play Jim McMahanon who had started most of the year the put the then Rookie Doug Fluitie in to play in the playoffs and got their asses kicked.

[Stonecutter]

Updated

1 Eagles or Bucs Depending on who gets home field. I think these two meet in the NFC Championship game and the home team wins.

2 Bucks/Eagles

3 Raiders

I know they lost but I still cant put them any lower than 3. I think they're the only legit team in the AFC they just had a bad game this week and it's probably good to get it out of their systmes at this point.

4 Packers

Ehh I hate doing this but I really think this is the only other team with a chance at the super bowl but they need home field to have a chance.

5???? who the hell knows there really isn't any team that deserves this spot this week. I'm thinking maybe it could be the saints then they lose or the chargers but they lose two in a row. I refuse to give it to the dolphins becasue they are the most overrated team in football but other than that I dont know. I think maybe Colts.

[Professor S]

Eagles Thoughts

There are a lot of people loving Feeley right now, and he has been doing a good job. Buts thats it. He's doing enough. If you take a look at some of his throws, about 1/4 of them are downright stupid and only half of them are good choices. He will play well enough for the Eagles to win out the rest of the season, but come the playoffs he has to go.

1) He hasn't played against a fast defensive unit yet.

2) He hasn't been beaten up yet.

3) Out of Philly's 3 quarterbacks, he has the least amount of zip on the ball (he does throw will excellent touch, however)

For those 2 reasons he will lose if he starts against the Bucs. The Bucs will put him on the ground throughout the game and their linebackers and d-backs may be the fastest in ther league and they will catch up to those tipped balls and lobbed passes that Feeley was throwing against the Redskins.

Now don't get me wrong, I think Feeley is doing a very good job in his role and he WILL be an excellent quarterback in the future, but if he starts in the playoffs he'll get eaten alive.

Donovan is the best choice to start against the Bucs, just because of the X-faxtor his running ability gives him will keep the Bucs honest (and unlike Vick he can actually run a passing offense... I wish everyone would get off that guys nuts... he's so one dimensional its silly).

I like Detmer against the Packers with his efficient short passing game and I think Pinkston (best hands I've seen in a LONG time) could have a huge day against them. Plus, I'd love to see Detmer do the a$$ spank to Favre again, but be on the winning side this time :D

You can mix and match for everyone else as I don't think they pose a threat. Oh, and if Vick plays at the Vet, he'll get hurt... BAD

[ZebraRampage]

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Saints lost to the Bengals, that's is so horrible. They should be ashamed of themselves, and they shouldn't be allowed in the playoffs.

[Bond]

All I can say is:

LETS SO STEELERS!!!

[Professor S]

LOL!!! YES!!!

Thgey're a PA team too so I'm allowed to root for both them and the Eagles...:unsure:

Then again next week Bond is goign to be screaming "GO GIANTS!!" :D

[The Germanator]

Man, I'm just pissed that the Giants actually have something to play for next week...I wish it would be worthless for them so we could just go and beat up on em, but no matter what, it will probably be a close game throughout. This is only the second tough team we will have played without McNabb, so it will be another challenge that we'll hopefully be up for.

EDIT: Woohoo! With Tampa's 17-7 loss against the Steelers tonight, the Eagles have clinched at least a first round bye which will be essential in getting McNabb healthy. Now all we need is homefield...basically so we can't let the Pack get it. :p

[Jason1]

You guys like that arse whoping Pittsburgh gave the no-good Bucs? You packer fans should appreciate it. Pittsburgh should win next week and leave them with a 10-5-1 record. Not too shabby considering they started out 1-3. Everyone underestimates them. Maybe this is their year....

[ZebraRampage]

In the AFC there are 6 teams with the record 8-7. Those teams are the Partriots, Jets, Browns, Broncos, Chiefs, Chargers, and then there are the Dolphins and Colts who are 9-6. Out of the Partriots Jets and Dolphins, one of them is still has to win the division. It will be interesting to see how it works out.

[Stonecutter]

goddamn nfl. Too much parody. You really can't tell who the good teams really are. I think Philly is legit and maybe tampa bay but after monday night who the hell knows.

But the most important part of this post is to make fun of the former viking dwane rudd.

Yes Dwane, you rembember week 1, when you threw your helmet in that game against the cheifs? Yep that was it. If you hadnt done that you'd be 9 and 6 and be heading straight into the playoffs, now your team needs help to get in. I hope the fact that you're a no good thug is comforting you in this holiday season because it might just keep you home after the first of the year.

HA HA.

To the rest of the GT NFL guys, enjoy the rest of your XMAS!

[Bond]

Lets go Giants! We're the best!

EDIT: Wow, the referees completely blew two touchdowns for the Giants.

EDIT: Oh, wow, I can't believe Akers missed that field goal, very unlike him. So the game is heading to overtime..

EDIT: Oh... yes... the Packers are now the #1 seed in the NFC... yes... oh.... ah...

[ZebraRampage]

Don't forget, if the Packers lose and the Bucs win then Green Bay doesn't even get first round bye. Jets are hungry for the playoffs just as the Giants were, so the Packers will have their hands full and the Bucs are playing the Bears so that should be a win for them.

[Bond]

Well great, now we lost Driver. We've had so many injures this year it isn't even funny. And if I'm not mistaken I heard the Jets crowd cheering when Driver got hurt, how honorable.

[Jason1]

Originally posted by Bond
Well great, now we lost Driver. We've had so many injures this year it isn't even funny. And if I'm not mistaken I heard the Jets crowd cheering when Driver got hurt, how honorable.

Nobody said Jets fans were honorable...

Anywho, Pittsburgh won today! Too bad the Titans couldnt have lost, if they would have Pittsburgh would have had a first round bye. Oh well...

[Bond]

Originally posted by Jason1
Nobody said Jets fans were honorable...
I never said anyone did. I was simply making a statement.

[Professor S]

I would like the heartily thank the Green Bay Packers for giving my Philadelphia Eagles homefield throughout the playoffs. Accolades to you :D

As for cheering the Driver injury... come on now. Jets fans are pansies. Philly fans cheered when Michael Erving received his career ending injury (couldn't have happened o a nicer guy :rolleyes: ) and we through snowballs at Santa with D-cell batteries in them. Now THATS a group of FANS!! :D

Fear the Vet.:errr:

On a side note, I'm camping out for tickets tonight. WOO HOO!!!!

[Perfect Stu]

C-O-L-T-S COLTS COLTS COLTS COLTS COLTS!

Indy is In, and by the look of today's game, they also got their Edge back.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/u/photos/ap/2000/nov/ejejk121700.jpg

Edgerrin James, that is :D

I'm REALLY stoked for next week's Colts@Jets game...it's going to be off the hook!

*Thread will be updated on Tuesday for final regular season statistics, standings and Stu's Playoff Picks

[Bond]

Well here are my picks for wildcard Sunday:

Jets to beat the Colts
Packers to beat the Falcons
Steelers to beat the Browns
Giants to beat the 49ers

Jets, Packers, Steelers, Giants.

[Trowser]

Originally posted by Bond
Well here are my picks for wildcard Sunday:

Jets to beat the Colts
Packers to beat the Falcons
Steelers to beat the Browns
Giants to beat the 49ers

Jets, Packers, Steelers, Giants.

I agree wit ya.If that happens then it'd be the

Jets vs. Raiders
Steelers vs. Titans
Giants vs. Eagles
Packers vs. Tampa Bay

Jets would lose,Steelers would lose,Eagles would lose, and so would Tampa being:

NFC Championship:Giants vs. Packers
AFC Championship:Titans vs. Raiders

Not to sure about what'd happen next but that is what will mostly like happen. Probably Packers vs. Raiders,Packers vs. Titans,or maybe even Giants vs. titans

[The Germanator]

Originally posted by Trowser
I agree wit ya.If that happens then it'd be the

Jets vs. Raiders
Steelers vs. Titans
Giants vs. Eagles
Packers vs. Tampa Bay

Jets would lose,Steelers would lose,Eagles would lose, and so would Tampa being:

NFC Championship:Giants vs. Packers
AFC Championship:Titans vs. Raiders

Not to sure about what'd happen next but that is what will mostly like happen. Probably Packers vs. Raiders,Packers vs. Titans,or maybe even Giants vs. titans

Are you kidding me? The Eagles would not lose to the Giants at home with Donovan McNabb. They could barely beat us at the Meadowlands with our 3rd string QB. I predict an Eagles/Packers NFC championship...with the Eagles winning in a close one.

[Professor S]

Originally posted by The Germanator
Are you kidding me? The Eagles would not lose to the Giants at home with Donovan McNabb. They could barely beat us at the Meadowlands with our 3rd string QB.

Add to that the fact that the Eagles would have won except for a fluke miss by the best field goal kicker in the NFL...

[Rick_Blaze]

You are right but a win is a win. On the day I become an adult we new yorkers are faced with the prospects of an all new york super bowl. Great.

[Bond]

It's weird, you guys seem so sure that the Packers can beat Tampa Bay. I mean, I'm the biggest Green Bay fan here, but I am not at all sure that we can beat the Bucs. I'm also a little low on us losing to the Jets though. Maybe that's why. But we just have so many injures it's not even funny that we are 12-4. If you want a look here:

Earl Dotson
Darren Sharper
Keith McKenzie
Gilbert Brown
Bhawoh Jue
Najeh Davenport
Scott Frost
Mark Tauscher
Chad Clifton
Joe Johnson

There's more but I can't remember all of them.

[ZebraRampage]

Originally posted by The Strangler
I would like the heartily thank the Green Bay Packers for giving my Philadelphia Eagles homefield throughout the playoffs. Accolades to you :D

As for cheering the Driver injury... come on now. Jets fans are pansies. Philly fans cheered when Michael Erving received his career ending injury (couldn't have happened o a nicer guy :rolleyes: ) and we through snowballs at Santa with D-cell batteries in them. Now THATS a group of FANS!! :D

Fear the Vet.:errr:

On a side note, I'm camping out for tickets tonight. WOO HOO!!!!

When I went to the Vet two years ago to see the Eagles beat the Cardnials the Eagle mascot drove over a huge stuffed cardnial with a golf cart and the whole stadium was cheering, it was so ****ing hilarious.

[Perfect Stu]

I hate to say it, but if the Eagles want to do what's best for them, I think they might need to keep starting A.J.

McNabb could very well be out of shape, and I don't think his mobility will be the same until the beginning of next season at the earliest. I don't exactly know what I expect from him if he does start in 2 weeks, but I guaruntee he won't be the McNabb from weeks 1-10 of this season...and Besides, A.J. has lead them to victory each and every game he's started (the missed field goal last week was Akers' fault, not his).

[ZebraRampage]

I don't think McNabb will be so bad. He played against the Cardnials with a broken ankle and made awesome throws and that was when the break was at its worst, but then again he hasn't played for 7 weeks so his arm may be rusty. Well who knows.

[Stonecutter]

Next weekend's winners

Giants
Packers
Jets
Steelers

The packers won't win on the road in the second round.

Steelers V Raiders
Bucks V Eagles

Eagles V Raiders

Raiders win it all.

[The Germanator]

Originally posted by Perfect Stu
I hate to say it, but if the Eagles want to do what's best for them, I think they might need to keep starting A.J.

McNabb could very well be out of shape, and I don't think his mobility will be the same until the beginning of next season at the earliest. I don't exactly know what I expect from him if he does start in 2 weeks, but I guaruntee he won't be the McNabb from weeks 1-10 of this season...and Besides, A.J. has lead them to victory each and every game he's started (the missed field goal last week was Akers' fault, not his).

I still have to disagree. You have one of the best QB's in the league, and even if he isn't 100% or even he is a bit rusty, he is still way better than A.J on any day. A.J hasn't led us to victory, he's been solid, I have to give him that, but it's our defense and special teams that have won games for us. Plus A.J only played one quality team, and he lost, so that says it right there. And if for some reason Donovan can't play, I would start even Koy over A.J...Koy is a much better QB also and if any back-up plays, it will be Koy anyway. But, I saw McNabb running and throwing on the field the other day on T.V, and if he is just somewhat mobile, he's playing...that's why we pay him the big bucks.

[Bond]

Originally posted by The Germanator
I still have to disagree. You have one of the best QB's in the league, and even if he isn't 100% or even he is a bit rusty, he is still way better than A.J on any day. A.J hasn't led us to victory, he's been solid, I have to give him that, but it's our defense and special teams that have won games for us. Plus A.J only played one quality team, and he lost, so that says it right there. And if for some reason Donovan can't play, I would start even Koy over A.J...Koy is a much better QB also and if any back-up plays, it will be Koy anyway. But, I saw McNabb running and throwing on the field the other day on T.V, and if he is just somewhat mobile, he's playing...that's why we pay him the big bucks.
But what if the team plays horribly under McNabb. McNabb can not win the entire game by himself. Although he does deserve his starting job back, it's not his fault he got injured. It's quite a tough situation if you ask me.

[Professor S]

Originally posted by Bond
But what if the team plays horribly under McNabb. McNabb can not win the entire game by himself. Although he does deserve his starting job back, it's not his fault he got injured. It's quite a tough situation if you ask me.

Well if the team plays horribly then they will lose no matter who is behind center. You can't go into the playoffs planning for your team to play badly. Plus, if you look at what the Eagleas have done over the last 6 weeks with their 3rd string QB, they are the best TEAM in football.

You are right but a win is a win. On the day I become an adult we new yorkers are faced with the prospects of an all new york super bowl. Great.

LOL!!! Maybe the Jets, but the Giants just blew their load against the Eagles who had one of their worst games of the season (Akers missd from 35, need I say more?) I'll be HIGHLY surprised to see them win their first playoff game. Even if they do amnd they come to the Vet, it won't be a close game. Eagles will win BIG. Feel free to quote me on any of what I've said.

[ZebraRampage]

Originally posted by Stonecutter
Next weekend's winners

Giants
Packers
Jets
Steelers

The packers won't win on the road in the second round.

Steelers V Raiders
Bucks V Eagles

Eagles V Raiders

Raiders win it all.

It might be and Eagles vs. Raiders Super Bowl, and the funny thing is that in 1980 the only time the Eagles went to the super bowl they played the Raiders but lost 27 to 10.

[Professor S]

I agree with Stonecutter's picks except for the last one. Eagles will win IF they make it and i honesty don't fear anyone when their coming to the Vet. The Packers and Bucs worry me a little if we had played them at their place, but now that the Eagles have home field they better turn it on.

BTW, I bunked out for Eagles tickets and got NONE. There were 10,000 people camped out beside the Vet in a shanty town. People were burning police barricades for heat and chopp3ed down trees to burn. Absolute CHAOS. But tons of fun. :D

[Trowser]

Originally posted by The Strangler



LOL!!! Maybe the Jets, but the Giants just blew their load against the Eagles who had one of their worst games of the season (Akers missd from 35, need I say more?) I'll be HIGHLY surprised to see them win their first playoff game. Even if they do amnd they come to the Vet, it won't be a close game. Eagles will win BIG. Feel free to quote me on any of what I've said. [/B]

oh,yes win BIG!:rolleyes:

The Eagles haven't beat anybody in a while and as soon as they faced a good team they lost.

[Professor S]

I believe they won 5 of their last six which included a playoff team if I'm not mistraken. Please correct me if I'm wrong. The Eagles are the best team in football right now. Their record says it all. The Giants playe for their playoff LIVES on Saturday and still had to depend on Akers missing a 35 yarder for a team that was already guaranteed a bye.

Thats one GREAT team there, yeppers. Giants = 1 and DONE.

No, but please go on to talk about how bad the 12-4 NFC leading Eagles are a bad team, I find it FUNNY.:D

[Trowser]

Originally posted by The Strangler
I believe they won 5 of their last six which included a playoff team if I'm not mistraken. Please correct me if I'm wrong. The Eagles are the best team in football right now. Their record says it all. The Giants playe for their playoff LIVES on Saturday and still had to depend on Akers missing a 35 yarder for a team that was already guaranteed a bye.

Thats one GREAT team there, yeppers. Giants = 1 and DONE.

No, but please go on to talk about how bad the 12-4 NFC leading Eagles are a bad team, I find it FUNNY.:D

Nobody said the Eagles were a bad team.But they are not the best team in the league.They played a better game against the Giants Saturday?The only thing was the fumbles and i believe a touchdown or two was taken back.Not sure.

[The Germanator]

Yeah, but our defense gave up some ridiculous amount of yards, 400 some, which is unheard of for our defense...it was clearly one of the poorer games that we have played all year, so yeah...well, we'll see what happens in the 2nd round IF the Giants get there...

[Trowser]

We'll see.Reports are that McNabb will play in the Eagles 1st playoff game...

[The Germanator]

Yeah, McNabb saidd that there is "no doubt" that he will be ready and play, and considering he played a whole game with a broken ankle based on his words...he'll play.

[Bond]

OH MY GOD. THAT BALL HIT A ****ING FALCONS PLAYER. WHO THE HELL ARE THESE REFEREES, ****ING IDIOTS?

OH BOY, THE ****ING REFEREES TOLD SHERMAN IT WAS NOT A REVIEWABLE CALL, WHEN IT IN FACT IT WAS. TOTAL ****ING MORONS.

[Stonecutter]

Packers are really whipping some ass there bond, well at least they just got 7. On a side note I really love listing to Larivee on the WTMJ call.

I don't want the packers to win, but I really wish they'd make a game out of this.

[Bond]

Glenn
Green
Driver
Brown

Those are 4 key players, all lost today. Not counting our countless other injures. No way we can get anywhere with all these injures.

Oh joy, another horrible call by our All-Star official crew.

[Stonecutter]

Well, I just turned it off after that incomplete pass on 4th down. I will admit the pack got screwed on that last one.

[Bond]

Originally posted by Stonecutter
Well, I just turned it off after that incomplete pass on 4th down. I will admit the pack got screwed on that last one.
We also got screwed on the kick return.

And all these god damn injures...

I hope the referees don't sleep for 40 days and 40 nights... horrible calls indeed.

Anyway, I'm going to root for the Jets now. Since I have liked Chad Pennington since he was in college.

[cubeman420]

They may have gotten screwed on a few play calls here and there, but that does not take away from the fact that they got totally dominated by the Falcons for 4 quarters.

[Professor S]

The Falcons may of dominated the Packers, but the Packers just looked hurt and the Falcons didn't exactly light up the Wisconsin sky wiith stellar offense. Vick threw for about 120 yards I think, and ran for 60 or so. Yeah... that stinks... bring on the Eagles after a bye with the second ranked PPG allowed defense. This should be a fun game for me to watch :D

[Bond]

Originally posted by The Strangler
The Falcons may of dominated the Packers, but the Packers just looked hurt and the Falcons didn't exactly light up the Wisconsin sky wiith stellar offense. Vick threw for about 120 yards I think, and ran for 60 or so. Yeah... that stinks... bring on the Eagles after a bye with the second ranked PPG allowed defense. This should be a fun game for me to watch :D
We just had too many injures this year. I guarantee you if we didn't have half as many as injures as we did things would have been a lot different. Again, we were the most beat-up playoff team, and even tied for the best record in the NFL.

I hope your Eagles beat the Falcons though Strangler. :)

[Jason1]

WOOOO!!! Pittsburgh is the ****!!!!111111


Buy seirously, you guys dont know how good that felt. All the teams I like get into the playoffs, and lose. Baseball, Football, whatever, it always happens. Its harder to stomach every time. This gives me hope that just maybe...finally the team I like will go all the way.

[Stonecutter]

WOW! How FREAKIN cool were those games today?

Two great games, two great comebacks, over 130 points, almost 1500 passing yards. I love great defense but after the snoozers we had yesterday (sorry bond/stu) we needed this today. Great football I can't wait until next weekend.

[cubeman420]

Originally posted by Jason1
WOOOO!!! Pittsburgh is the ****!!!!111111


Buy seirously, you guys dont know how good that felt. All the teams I like get into the playoffs, and lose. Baseball, Football, whatever, it always happens. Its harder to stomach every time. This gives me hope that just maybe...finally the team I like will go all the way.

Exactly man...

I have been living here my whole life and that was the best f#$%ing game I have ever seen the Steelers play. I almost cried when FU got that last score... bring on the Titans man, after that game I think we definitely have a chance to go all the way.

[Trowser]

AWWW MAN THE GIANTS ****IN LOSS!HOW THE **** THEY LET THEM COME BACK?

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

I saw the whole thing.Went from happy to super crazy mad.The defense was terrible in the 2nd half.I knew a NY vs. NY Super Bowl was too good to be true.Now wait til next year

DAMN!

GO EAGLES!

[Perfect Stu]

I'm now cheering for Tampa Bay (a friend of mine is a die hard fan)

Go Bucs! :D

[Trowser]

Trowser's picks are

49ers beat Bucs
Eagles beat Falcons(Vck vs. McNabb,i cant wait!)
Jets beat Raiders
Titans beat Steelers

then...

Eagles beat 49ers
Jets beat Titans

then...

Super Bowl 37:Eagles,28 Jets,24

[Professor S]

Not a bad prognostication there Trowser, but I see the Raiders making it now that their healthy again in the secoindary. Pennington is accurate, but he doesn't have much zip on the ball which may prove to be a problem. I do think it will be a great game but I think the Raiders will squeak out a win and then head to the SB... where they will lose to the Eagles :D

[mickydaniels]

Well, what we should do is look for all the hamoe teams to win.
Not because of home field, but because they are significantly better teams except in the case of Oakland not being that much better than NY.

[Stonecutter]

LOL, listen to you guys with your damn jets. Oakland is going to ROLL the jets this weekend. The jets are overrated. The beat the piss out of the colts, hell miami or new england could have done that.

[Professor S]

Don'y blame Ny sports fans, they don't mean to be obnoxious, they're just bred that way. I'm an Eagles fan (duh) and after the Giants lost in the first round their fans kept on calling in to Philly stations saying it was ok because they beat the Eagles.

1) The Eagles beat the Giants earlier in the year, when it actually mattered to the Eagles.
2) The Giants were playing for their playoff lives while the Eagles were onlly playing for homefield and were guaranteed a bye.
3) The Giants lost of a fluke at the end, which is fitting because they beat the Eagles on a fluke the week before... KARMA, BABY.

[NY flaming]And for those Giant fans who say that its ok that the Giants lost because now they can root for the Jets, you have no heart. You don't see Eagles fans rooting for the Steelers if the Eagles aren't doing well, do you? No.

NY fans are much like theiur precious TE Jeremy Shockey. You may be talented but you have no class. [/NY flaming]

This should be fun...

[Joeiss]

Originally posted by Stonecutter
LOL, listen to you guys with your damn jets. Oakland is going to ROLL the jets this weekend. The jets are overrated. The beat the piss out of the colts, hell miami or new england could have done that.

Right on!

[cubeman420]

I think we will see a few upsets again this week especially Atlanta over Philly. I also like Pittsburgh, San Fran, and Oakland, although the Jets definitely have a chance if they don't turn the ball over.

[ZebraRampage]

Well I think that the winners of this week will be the Eagles, Bucs, Titans, and I'm not sure about the last game, but I sort of think the Raiders are gonna win.

[Perfect Stu]

it looks like the Jets vs. Raiders will be the most exciting game of the week

:D can't wait

[Professor S]

Originally posted by cubeman420
I think we will see a few upsets again this week especially Atlanta over Philly. I also like Pittsburgh, San Fran, and Oakland, although the Jets definitely have a chance if they don't turn the ball over.

LOL!!! The Eagles outclass the Falcons in nearly every position. If the Eagles lose to the Falcons, I'll put "Eagles Suck!" in my sig until next season.

[cubeman420]

I will be looking forward to seeing that if it happens. I know the eagles are definitely a better team, but if you look at the way the playoffs have gone over the past few years the better teams always seem to find a way to lose IMO.

[Professor S]

I agree, but I think this applies more for teams like the Jets who are playing as complete teams. The Falcons have Vick... and Vick. They'll go man against Gaylord and Finneran (who the Eagles cut last year) as they are complete humps, and keep nine men in the box for most of the game. The Falcons offense just doesn't match up.

[cubeman420]

I look at the way the falcons front seven has played in big games this year and philly doesn't have a dominant RB, I think Mcnabb will be quite rusty and if ATL can force turnovers like they have been doing, they will keep it close enough that Vick will be the Difference in the end.

[Shiz]

and the titans wiiiiiiin

[Jason1]

*sighs*

Pittsburgh got screwed on that last play. First off, they should do it the same way they do in college, that sudden death crap is bull ****. Both teams should have a chance to get the ball. And that roughing the kicker was an accident. Obviously. It wasnt even that bad, you cant say that wasnt nothing more than acting on the part of the kicker...he wasnt hit hard, and he fell like he was...complete bull...I had my whole family on my mom's side over to the house, all steeler fans...that game was so good, it just sucks so much to get screwed by a referee.

[Joeiss]

How did they get screwed? If you make contact with the kicker, it is a penalty. SIMPLE.


And I was going for the Steelers too, oh well... There is always next year I guess.

[cubeman420]

Originally posted by Joeiss
How did they get screwed? If you make contact with the kicker, it is a penalty. SIMPLE.


And I was going for the Steelers too, oh well... There is always next year I guess.


The f***ing kicker took like two steps forward after making the kick and washington barely made contact after that. He missed the kick and the refs took it upon themselves to give him another chance plain and simple. Not that I'm bitter or anything, because we probably shouldn't have beaten Cleveland. The same thing happened in the Philly game when they called that roughing the punter when it should've only been running into the punter and that changed the whole game. I will say that Philly deserved to win however and imo Tennessee didn't.

[Perfect Stu]

Did the player bump into the kicker? yes.

Result? (no matter what the situation, score of the game, OT or not) 5 yard penalty.

It's tough to see a game end like that...but the refs did their job.

[Jason1]

Its called ''Roughing the Kicker'' not ''Barley touching the kicker and having him fall down like an ass hole''

and also, Deion Sanders is a ****face.

[Perfect Stu]

it doesn't matter what it's called...the 15 yard penalty is roughing the kicker....the 5 yard penalty is called running into the kicker...and the rule is that if you hit the kicker, there's a penalty. live with it...your team lost

[ZebraRampage]

I wasn't too happy with the Eagles offense against the Falcons. They should have at least scored another Touchdown, but they won and that is all that matters.

[The Germanator]

Originally posted by Perfect Stu
it doesn't matter what it's called...the 15 yard penalty is roughing the kicker....the 5 yard penalty is called running into the kicker...and the rule is that if you hit the kicker, there's a penalty. live with it...your team lost

Exactly...I know you Pittsburgh fans are pissed, but if somebody ran into your kicker like that, you know you'd want the call. It's only escalated because of the situation. If that happened in the 8th week in the season in the 1st quarter or something, you wouldn't give it a second thought...a penalty is a penalty.

And then there is the Eagles...we were good enough to win, though the offense was a bit sluggish through a couple quarters. Our defense stepped it up, we bent but did not break and that holding penalty when Vick scored was HUGE. The roughing the punter was pretty huge also. Fairly ugly game, but it doesn't matter how you win them in the playoffs.

[ZebraRampage]

Man did you see Brian Dawkins's hit on Mike Vick. :eek: BOOM! That was awesome!

[The Germanator]

Yeah, and it made it all the better knowing that it wasn't a TD. :D
And did you see Staley's block on Thrash's TD? :eek:

[Jason1]

I guess you have a good point germanator...I just hate the way **** happens...I mean it was a miracle that he missed that field goal...I about creamed my pants with joy...as did eveyone else in my family...then that penalty...it just sucked so much...

[Jonbo298]

Da Raiders......will kick........the Titan's.....ass......next....weeeeeeeeeek!:D:D

[Bond]

Originally posted by Jason1
I guess you have a good point germanator...I just hate the way **** happens...I mean it was a miracle that he missed that field goal...I about creamed my pants with joy...as did eveyone else in my family...then that penalty...it just sucked so much...
Sniff... Sniff...

I know how you fell Jason... Sniff... Sniff...

There's always next year though. :)

[Professor S]

3 days and counting until Hugh Douglas rips off Brad Johnson's head and shoves it up his butt so Brad can watch Hugh kick his a$$.

FLYYYYY EAGLES FLYYYY!!!
ON THE ROAD TO VIC-TOE-REEEEEEE!!!!!!!



Go Birds :D

[The Germanator]

Originally posted by The Strangler
3 days and counting until Hugh Douglas rips off Brad Johnson's head and shoves it up his butt so Brad can watch Hugh kick his a$$.

FLYYYYY EAGLES FLYYYY!!!
ON THE ROAD TO VIC-TOE-REEEEEEE!!!!!!!



Go Birds :D

What he said...:D

[Perfect Stu]

Brian Dawkins is one of my favourite players in the league....he has been since last year

Manning, Urlacher, Harrison, James, Freeney, Dawkins, Bledsoe, Shockey :beat:

but I'm cheering for the Bucs...a close family friend is a die hard fan

[ZebraRampage]

I think that if the Eagles blitz Brad Johnson enough then the Eagles should have a really good chance. I love when they send Dawkins and Bishop on the Blitz cause most of the time it works, and Dawkins usually gets a big hit.

[The Germanator]

Originally posted by Perfect Stu
Shockey :beat:

but I'm cheering for the Bucs...a close family friend is a die hard fan

Eww...I hate Shockey, I can't stand cocky players like that no matter how good they are, I'll never respect him.

But, you're still cool because you like Dawkins, best safety in the league. :)

But, you're rooting for the Bucs, you aren't cool anymore.

:mad:

[Perfect Stu]

Originally posted by The Germanator
Eww...I hate Shockey, I can't stand cocky players like that no matter how good they are, I'll never respect him.

I don't respect him nearly as much as I respect a lot of players in the NFL...but I added him to my list because he's fun to watch...I've played tight end, and it's really a great position...he's one of the most exciting players in the NFL, that's the only reason why I listed him...

Germy: ok, you're cool again

Stu: Go Bucs!

Germy: :mad:

[cubeman420]

Well I am also rooting for the Bucs because I have family in Tampa and I hate Philly. Is there anyone here that thinks Tennessee can beat Oakland?

[Professor S]

Why do you hate Philly? Jealousy is not an attractive trait to have...

[cubeman420]

Well I live in Pgh and ever since the Flyers intentionally injured Lemieux like 12-15 yrs ago, I have hated them. I don't like any teams from Philly, but I do like McNabb. I wish he played for another team so I could be a fan of his but I just don't like Philly. I have talked to like 200 people about the game this week and 98% of them like Philly to win, and most of the time the general public is wrong, so it is looking good for Tampa Bay to meet Oakland in SuperBowl 37... at least I hope so ;)

[Professor S]

Not bloody likely...

Lemieux is a baby. Its called Hockey. If you can't take a hit, get out of the game.

[cubeman420]

Dude that was a long time ago, I totally agree though that Lemieux is a baby. If it wasn't for him, we'd still have Jagr. That is beside the point, Philly was intentionally trying to hurt him and that is not cool... period. Here we go Tampa ;)

[Joeiss]

Tampa Bay what. 10-7 right now... GO BUCS GO!!!

[cubeman420]

Originally posted by Joeiss
Tampa Bay what. 10-7 right now... GO BUCS GO!!!


Amen to that. F#%k Philly!

[Stonecutter]

17-10 bucko's at half. GO TAMPA. All pirate superbowl.

[GameKinG]

RAIDERS.WILL.WIN.SUPERBOWL.

[The Germanator]

Grr...our offense is sucking right now...I'm a bit worried, but not ready to freak out yet. C'mon Eagles!

[ZebraRampage]

All I can say is POO!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF! Stupid offense, at least the defense is finally doing something.

[The Germanator]

game over...ronde barber...27-10...*the vet goes cold, dead, silent.

[Joeiss]

Battle of the Skulls for the SuperBowl hopefully!

[Perfect Stu]

*points and laughs at Strangler, Germy, and Zebra*

:lol:

serves ya right, ya cocky bastards :p

[The Germanator]

ya know, I've seen the Phillies lose the world series on a devastating homerun...I've seen the Flyers get swept in the finals...I've seen the Sixers get dominated in the finals...and seen the Eagles lose two consecutive NFC championship games...do you now see why Philly fans are so pissed off? And these things were just in my short lifetime, we haven't won a championship since '82 or something...*kills self*

[Professor S]

Crap

That was the crappiest crap that ever crapped a crap.

[Joeiss]

RAIDERS WHAT

[GameKinG]

Yeah, its going to be the battle of sculls.

[Bond]

Originally posted by Joeiss
RAIDERS WHAT
You just don't understand the concept of the word 'what' do you?

[Stonecutter]

I say this with full confedence in my hetrosexuality.

.....Ed Hockuli is ripped.

[Joeiss]

Originally posted by Bond
You just don't understand the concept of the word 'what' do you?


What?

[Perfect Stu]

Originally posted by Stonecutter
I say this with full confedence in my hetrosexuality.

.....Ed Hockuli is ripped.

is he that ref?

[Stonecutter]

yes

[GameKinG]

RAIDERS!!!!WIN!!!

[ZebraRampage]

Originally posted by Perfect Stu
*points and laughs at Strangler, Germy, and Zebra*

:lol:

serves ya right, ya cocky bastards :p

I'm not cocky, I always have a feeling that the Eagles will lose because I'm so used to all the Philly teams losing when they get close to the championship. I'm just pissed because the Eagles are better than that, and they could have beaten the Bucs. I don't understand why they didn't play like it meant something.

[Professor S]

For some reason Donovn is deathly afri to trust his receivers. Pinkston was wide open down the field at least 3 times during the game and he didn't even look for him. He just threw to his first read the whole game. If I saw one more 5 yard pass down the midle of the field I think I might have vomited.

Worst gamplan ever. The Eagles ARE better then that.

[Stonecutter]

heh, I thought I was watching the bears in that eagles game yesterday. Andy Reed shooped you guys out of the superbowl.....oh well have fun watching the game!

[Joeiss]

Oh ya, I noticed that referee too. His arms were huge.