For all you Metroid Prime Skeptiks

[bobcat]

If there is any, have a read of this

http://cube.ign.com/articles/376/376769p1.html

Sounds great. I'm definitely going to pick this up (especially after watching the videos)!!!!

[Dyne]

I fell in love with the preview CD. The minute I heard of it I said to myself "This is going to be a good game". So it's been reserved for quite some time, and now we're in the ten-day countdown! I can't wait......... this WILL be awesome.

[Jonbo298]

I wish I had the money for when Prime came out next week. But alas, I am searching for a job at the time. I might just have to save the suspense and greatness of it until I can buy it. But on the impressions from IGN-Sounds more than great. I think IGN just wanted to get the 'Cube people to gloat about how a PS2 editor says such great stuff about Prime. Or maybe, just for diversity. meh

[Jason1]

30 hours, according to Frans Impressions, and thats without all the secrets. Wow. I was expecting possibly 20 at most, but this is great...30 hours...This game is going to rock the gaming world...I cant wait.

[DeathsHand]

Originally posted by Jason1
30 hours, according to Frans Impressions, and thats without all the secrets. Wow. I was expecting possibly 20 at most, but this is great...30 hours...This game is going to rock the gaming world...I cant wait.

So, someone from a game site said 30 hours? That translates into about 15... ;)

Nah but still, I don't even trust them when people say it takes a certain amount of hours to beat... Well, at least not after the whole ED (what was it? 60 hours?) and SFA thing (40 I think)...

30 without secrets? I highly doubt that... I mean that's quite long for a First Person Shooting I think, right?

People: FIRST PERSON ADVENTURE!1!

Well whatever, that's long for adventure games too... I think..

But meh we'll see... I don't necesarily think the game will suck, but after all Nintendo's other major games on NGC being uhh... what's that called... dissapointing (at least to me, and dissapointing doesn't mean bad... I still liked the ones I played, but they were not nearly as good as people here and on IGN and such made them out to be... least not to me), there's no way IGN or anybody else saying anything about how good the game is will make me say "Mkay I'm gonna go out and buy the game now!"...

Now I'll stop my long rant...

[TheGame]

That link has not changed my opinion... and the horrible controlls of the demo (imo) solidified that I'm not going to buy this game.

[Jason1]

Originally posted by TheGame
That link has not changed my opinion... and the horrible controlls of the demo (imo) solidified that I'm not going to buy this game.

But dosent it mean anything to you that, that Dave Z guy, a former IGNPS2 editor from the looks of it, who was skeptical of basically everything about the game, from the controls to the 1st person change, has fallen in love with it? That tells me that the first two opinons werent just baised CUBE lovers. But its just 3 peoples opinoin, but its gotta make you look at it at least a little differently.

[Perfect Stu]

Sounds really good. Too bad I don't have a Gamecube...

This is the game that could save the Gamecube...don't ask me to elaborate :p

[BlueFire]

The game does seem interesting... but money is always a problem. Die.

[Shadow_Link]

I can't wait until this game is released.

It seems as though there is nothing bad about the controlls, and the game being in first person doesn't hinder the jumping and adventure aspects of the game...

And as an added bonus, this game looks the best graphically on any console at the moment, and for a few months yet (IMO). The art direction in the game is breath taking too.

If the game is anywhere near the level of Super Metroid, or if it even feels like it (which from what I have read, does feel like super metroid and is up to its level), then this game should definately have the best chance of getting game of the year, though Zelda is coming out this december in Japan :p. There's also Splinter Cell to contend with, and GTA: Vice city...

[Joeiss]

Originally posted by TheGame
That link has not changed my opinion... and the horrible controlls of the demo (imo) solidified that I'm not going to buy this game.


It is kind of had to purchase and play a game when you don't own the system.

;)

[TheGame]

Originally posted by Joeiss
It is kind of had to purchase and play a game when you don't own the system.

;)

lol, and lack of any games I want this fall is why I gave it up :)

I'll re-buy it around the time Cel-da is released... that is, if it gets outstanding scores.

[bobcat]

Originally posted by DeathsHand


But meh we'll see... I don't necesarily think the game will suck, but after all Nintendo's other major games on NGC being uhh... what's that called... dissapointing (at least to me, and dissapointing doesn't mean bad... I still liked the ones I played, but they were not nearly as good as people here and on IGN and such made them out to be... least not to me), there's no way IGN or anybody else saying anything about how good the game is will make me say "Mkay I'm gonna go out and buy the game now!"...

Now I'll stop my long rant...
Unfortunately it's the hype that's been generated about Nintendo's major games that imply that they are perfect whereby no games developer is perfect, which is why some people may have been disappointed with some of the Gc's game.

I don't see how I can get disappointed with Metroid, because it's basically a new game, with a new look. I saw Samus rolling round in the ball in like a 2d style, and overall it looked so fun(videos on IGN). Of course there were many other videos, but I won't go in detail with them. I could roll around all day :unsure:

I was disappointed with SMS coz I kept on comparing it with the experience I had with SM64. It looked similar, and played similar, but it didn't feel ANYTHING like when I played SM64.

When I stopped thinking about SM64, I began to appreciate SMS a lot more. Which is kind of ironic. Release the first true fully 3d platform/adventure game with a third person perspective, and have this burden over your head for the rest of your life, of developing games to pure perfection. And it's not just the NIntendo fanboy's who are responsible, moreso it's the hype that's generated about how Nintendo games are kiddy. So if there is one flaw in the gameplay, it can be made clear to the public because there is a "kiddy" storyline with "kiddy" characters. So the only thing left to talk about is the gameplay.

Nintendo have a very difficult reputation to live up to each time it realeases a new Zelda or a new Mario. The problem is that Zelda OOT and Mario were groundbreaking games, that changed the way games looked and played, and now people expect that type of outcome for the next series, and the next series.

Personally speaking, I welcome the NEW changes. Especially Celda. If it was like the SW demo, then I could see myself getting bored with the whole serious look as I played it on the N64 with OOT. The idea of an animated Zelda game sounds like a great idea. At first I didn't like the idea at all, but after a while I realise that I prefer this, to a serious Zelda game. Because it's a whole new look, and it won't be so comparable to OOT (graphically and atmospherically).

:burger:

[DarkMaster]

i'll rent this game and beat it in a weekend. like DH said, whenever a game journalist says the length of a game, you usually divide that by 2 and thats how long it really is. such is the case especially with IGN, after that whole ED and SFA thing (60 hours, 50 hours, ha) i just cant believe them when they say a games length. sometimes i wonder if the people at IGN are just slow, if it seriously took them 60 hours to beat ED then they have problems. granted, this game does look good, but i've been let down before by the exaggerated hype that most game journalists give. "Resident Evil is an easy 15-20 hours and thats without the secrets!" yeah, sure thing IGN

[D-realJos]

The Game
"That link has not changed my opinion... and the horrible controlls of the demo (imo) solidified that I'm not going to buy this game."

Not that I care if you buy the game or not, but I just felt like commenting. Besides, it's time I get on your case like you've always been on mine. :mad2:

Horrible controlls are those that hamper a game, get into the way of gameplay, and make the game occasionally unplayable by it's own nature. Not the nature of another game, it's OWN nature.

Would the controlls hamper Halo? You bet!
Hamper Golden eye? Yes
Hamper ANY FPS? absolutely.

Metroid Prime on the other hand, plays differently, it's controlls exploit and revolve around the nature of the game. You wouldn't be rushing through MP looking to claim or dodge head short, I believe.

So, will the controlls hamper the game. NO! (well, not unless retardation is a factor)

I've seen numerous videos, where various players were ripping through the game, battling enemies, aiming, jumping and what's not with absolutely no problem at all. Clearly the controlls become second-nature after a while. Second-nature is not a way one would describe horrible controlls. It IS however, a way to describe controlls you become quite comfortable with.

I wonder if it had anything at all to do with the fact that you spent a life-changing set of minutes with de demo. :rolleyes:

Game, if numerous people manage to manuver and handle the controlls perfectly and with incredible ease, I'm inclined to believe it's something ANY gamer can do. Unless of course, you're a bit slow. These aren't gifted people, they are "normal" gamers like you and I.

I understand it's YOUR opinion, but ask yourself, could a player handle the controlls that seamlessly if they were horrible as you said or had any real problems at all? Maybe, the problem isn't the game/controlls, but .... *GASP*....it's you? :eek:

(let's just hope it's not the retardation thing I mentioned) :(

Case in point, there's a MASSIVE difference between horrible controlls and different controlls.



bobcat
"Nintendo have a very difficult reputation to live up to each time it realeases a new Zelda or a new Mario. The problem is that Zelda OOT and Mario were groundbreaking games, that changed the way games looked and played, and now people expect that type of outcome for the next series, and the next series"

I'd say you hit the nail on the head pretty well there my good man. :cool:

Sadly, you are so correct. The result is that people end up expecting something completely revolutionary each time. While it's possible to have some revolutionary ideas/elements within games like SMS and Zelda for instance, expecting that same feeling you got when you played the truly revolutionary OoT or SM64 for the first time, is pretty much expecting the impossible. From that perspective, it's easy to label certain games as "disappointing" or inferior to their predecessors when in fact they have made significant advances over the previous efforts.

As for Metroid Prime, I think it's design is revolutionary. This game is the first of it's kind, one that attempts to "flawless" conveys 3D adventure and exploration elements from a first person perspective, at the same time, immersing the player in the surrounding environment, and the role of the heroine(Samus). It's gameplay on the other end is evolution at it's finest... at least, that's the impression I got so far from those who played more than a mere store demo.

I won't stand to be late with this game like I have been with some others. I already pre-ordered. :)

[TheGame]

Ouch, D-Real, Ouch, I'm really hurt.

You can call me all the names you want... slow, retarded, whatever... is it going to change my opinion? No.


"Horrible controlls are those that hampers a game, gets into the way of gameplay, and makes the game occasionally unplayable by it's own nature. Not the nature of another game, it's OWN nature.

Would the controlls hamper Halo? You bet!(No)
Hamper Golden eye? Yes (No)
Hamper ANY FPS? absolutely. (Not every one)

Metroid Prime on the other hand, plays differently, it's controlls exploit and revolve around the nature of the game? You wouldn't be rushing through MP looking to claim or dodge head short. "

I guess I'm too closed minded to look past the controlls... last time I checked, controlls are a big part of gameplay...

In your opinion there is no such thing as a bad button layout?

"I've seen numerous videos, where various players were ripping through the game, battling enemies, aiming, jumping and what's not with absolutely no problem at all. Clearly the controlls become second-nature after a while. Second-nature is not a way to describe horrible controlls. It is however, it IS a way to describe controlls you become quite comfortable with.

I wonder if it had anything to do with the fact that you spent a life-changing set of minutes with de demo.

Game, if numerous people manage to manuver and handle the controlls perfectly and with incredible ease, I'm inclined to believe it's something ANY gamer can do. Unless of course, you're a bit slow. These aren't gifted people, they are "normal" gamers like you and I."

Um, er... I've seen people who can get 27 million point combos on THPS4 after playing it for a while... I can get 1 million. Just because somthing becomes 2nd nature to one person it doesn't mean it will become 2nd nature for everybody. Does it?

If I sit down with a random football game for 2 hours, and you sit there the same 2 hours, will be 100% just as good at controlling the game? Will the game become 2nd nature to you as easy as it becomes 2nd nature to me? I highly doubt this.

Does that make you slow in any way? No, you just aren't used to controlling a football game. Just like I'm not used to controlling a FPA. If it had controlls like Timesplitters I would have had a much easier time going through the Demo.

I played for 15 minutes (within 2 tries) and the controlls just felt like crap.. maybe in 2 seconds you played it and the controlls felt great. I guess that just makes me slow though huh? IMO, the controlls are so bad and so off that I don't even want to get used to them.

"I understand it's YOUR opinion, but ask yourself, could a player do that if the controlls were horrible as you said or had any real problems at all? Maybe, the problem isn't the game/controlls, but it's you? "

Just refer back to my THPS example. That's why it's MY opinion. Do you even believe in the word "opinion"? I mean, I'm slow and retarded because in my opinion the controlls suck? BEcause it's hard for me to play with those controlls? Just because one guy can control a game great it doesn't mean everybody can, and it doesn't mean everybody will learn to.

Did I hop to my judgement too fast? Maybe. But I wasn't interested enough in the GAME itself, and I didn't like the GAMEPLAY enough to want to learn how to play great. If the game had a great angle (like Halo) I wouild keep playing until I learned how to control it good... but was metroid good enough to force me to learn these new controlls? Hell no.

So, Like I said before, my opinion stands... if it gets over a 9.5 from IGN, it's a rent, if not, I'm not touching it.

[bobcat]

Originally posted by D-realJos
[As for Metroid Prime, I think it's design is revolutionary. This game is the first of it's kind, one that attempts to "flawless" conveys 3D adventure and exploration elements from a first person perspective, at the same time, immersing the player in the surrounding environment, and the role of the heroine(Samus). It's gameplay on the other end is evolution at it's finest... at least, that's the impression I got so far from those who played more than a mere store demo.

I won't stand to be late with this game like I have been with some others. I already pre-ordered. :) [/B]

Yes this is why I am so excited about the game. Looks so good! If it gets a 9.0 and above from IGN, I'll definitely buy it, anything under I'll have to strongly consider buying it (that's how I am with 90% of my games). I use IGN and Hyper magazine as a warrant for my purchase.

The Game just give it a chance. Be more open minded and play the full version of the game for at least 4 hours or so. You could be missing out on an excellent gaming experience. But it is your opinion so I can't make you rent/buy it :D

I used to be narrow minded about the FF series. Played VII (first RPG i played) and didn't like it at all. Actually I took it back :D Then about 6 months later, I thought I'd give it another go (coz I heard people talking about how good an rpg it was).

I understood the game a lot better, became patient with the typical RPG style of playing, and now it's one of my fave games ever.

So it just goes to show sometimes even if you don't like a game after playing it for some time, you should read reviews, and read other peoples opinions of why they like the game, then decide. That's what I did with FF, and it worked :cool:

[GameKinG]

I think IGN will probably give it a 9.6 or above. Matt screams best game this generation, while Fran...well...you can read it in the IGN article.

[Jason1]

Originally posted by GameKinG
I think IGN will probably give it a 9.6 or above. Matt screams best game this generation, while Fran...well...you can read it in the IGN article.

Yes, the IGN editors are pissing their pants over this game. I would be very shocked do see anything less than a 9.5 from IGN.

[Dyne]

There were a small few problems, so it won't get a 10. Gee, I was hoping it would. I still do..

[Perfect Stu]

seeing as how the cube.ign editors finally have a good game in their laps and are creaming their pants over it, it'll receive a 9.5 at the VERY LOWEST

[Mushlafa]

IGN has over rated all of the HUGE games that were sappose to change the way games are played sorta thing. So anything i see from IGN i dont beleive :unsure:

[GameKinG]

Even from PS2 editors?

[fingersman]

I wonder how EGM will rate this game?

[dwelzy]

" Even the much-debated controls work wonderfully. "
". With the installed control system, platforming is easily the best it has ever been in first-person perspective. "
"The platform jumping in Metroid Prime is handled flawlessly, easily surpassing every other attempt that has been done in a first-person game"

doesn't sound like bad controls to me. hmmm come to think of it yours is the only negative report iv heard/read of. couldit be a posibility that its not the control but ur inability to handle it
:rolleyes: . well i guess thats your opinion but from wat i gathered they're far from horible

[Ice006]

Originally posted by DarkMaster
"Resident Evil is an easy 15-20 hours and thats without the secrets!" yeah, sure thing IGN

Um... 15:18 for my first time through with Chris on Easy. Not including the times where I messed up bad and loaded up a savegame, so I'll guess 20 hours all up. I was trying to do 'everything' though. First time I'd really played a Resident Evil game either, apart from hiring out RE2 on the '64 for a week ages ago and never really getting into it.

[DeathsHand]

Originally posted by Ice006
Um... 15:18 for my first time through with Chris on Easy. Not including the times where I messed up bad and loaded up a savegame, so I'll guess 20 hours all up. I was trying to do 'everything' though. First time I'd really played a Resident Evil game either, apart from hiring out RE2 on the '64 for a week ages ago and never really getting into it.

it took me like 13 hours with Jill the first time through... *shrugs*

that's like the longest RE game so far I think, but still 2 hours short of 15... but that's just me and you're just slow...

And I'm just kidding...

or something...

[RagedHybrid]

I don't care what anyone says, I'm gonna buy this game! I love Samus, She Rocks!

[TheGame]

I'm not saying:

"The game is crap because I played the demo, and I will never givce it another run"

Depending on the scores, chances are I will give the real game a go... but for now based off of the previews, and the Demo, I see nothing special about this game.

As far as the controlls, I'm used to Bond and TS2 on GCN, and Metroid primes controlls feel nasty in comparision... I'd rather have to controll like TS2 then have those auto aim things.

I'm not into exploration, and I didn't like Super Metroid either. The only metroid I liked was the origanal, that's probably because I was so young and I could get excited over anything. (With this known, am I supposed to like MP?)

[Jonbo298]

ShadowWind, how do you have only 8 posts and yet have 250,000 dblns? Also, your sig pic is a wee bit big because of restrictions. Just something I noticed.

[bobcat]

Originally posted by TheGame
I'm not saying:

"The game is crap because I played the demo, and I will never givce it another run"

Depending on the scores, chances are I will give the real game a go... but for now based off of the previews, and the Demo, I see nothing special about this game.

As far as the controlls, I'm used to Bond and TS2 on GCN, and Metroid primes controlls feel nasty in comparision... I'd rather have to controll like TS2 then have those auto aim things.

I'm not into exploration, and I didn't like Super Metroid either. The only metroid I liked was the origanal, that's probably because I was so young and I could get excited over anything. (With this known, am I supposed to like MP?)

Exactly how I felt about Rpg's. The battles seemed too slow coz they weren't in real time. More I played, more I liked.

If this game ain't for you, then maybe you should just leave it alone. Sup 2 u

[DarkMaster]

Originally posted by Jonbo298
ShadowWind, how do you have only 8 posts and yet have 250,000 dblns? Also, your sig pic is a wee bit big because of restrictions. Just something I noticed.
it says he has minus 250,000 dblns, and yeah i think his sig is too big

[Crono]

Actually RE is much shorter if you want the secrets..after all, to get the Anti Tank Rifle, you need to beat it in under 3 hours on normal or hard.

[Shadow_Link]

Well the game got a 9.8... Guess you'll have to give this game a 'real' go, Justin :D.