Both Gamecube & GBA Successor confirmed by Nintendo [Archive]

GameKinG

11-01-2002, 12:09 AM

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Nintendo is in the software business - to stay. Nintendo is in the handheld business - to stay. And Nintendo is most certainly in the home console business - to stay. Work is well underway on the successor technology to both Game Boy Advance and Nintendo GameCube.
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Source: Peter MacDougall -- speech transcript (PGC)

link (http://planetgamecube.com/specials.cfm?action=profile&id=368)

For those who dont know, hes a Nintendo Executive.

CrOnO_LiNk

11-01-2002, 02:11 AM

So does that mean the Gamecube and GBA aren't Nintendo's final console?

GameMaster

11-01-2002, 02:43 AM

That's correct. Did you think they were their final consoles? What led you to believe that?

Angrist

11-01-2002, 10:14 AM

Some people... :rolleyes:

Nintendo once said something like 'we want to concentrate on software'. That doesn't mean they're nog doing hardware anymore.

Dyne

11-01-2002, 01:22 PM

Saw this on IGN yesterday, I read the whole freaking speech. I only have one thing to say:

GO NINTENDO!

It's great to see that they finally have some AIM, and have announced it. I feel like kicking my Xbox..... =P

DeathsHand

11-01-2002, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by Dyne
Saw this on IGN yesterday, I read the whole freaking speech. I only have one thing to say:

GO NINTENDO!

When Sony announced early on that they were planning for their next console, people had pretty much only one thing to say too:

BOO HOW COULD YOU BE WORKING ON A NEW SYSTEM ALREADY YOUR LATEST ONE IS STILL NEW BOO SONY BAD SONY BOOOOOO!

:sneaky:

CrOnO_LiNk

11-01-2002, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by GameMaster
That's correct. Did you think they were their final consoles? What led you to believe that?

I remember hearing some rumours... No harm done...

I just thought that because lately the whole gaming industry has been going crazy. Microsoft trying to buy out all developers, Square and Nintendo coming back together, the Rare deal, the GBA outselling the PS2, and many more. But yeah, this is real good news.

Ginkasa

11-01-2002, 02:41 PM

*gasp* A moderator, double posting! You need to set a better example!

*nods*

I read the speech (most of it) at IGN as well. Pretty interesting.

*shrugs and walks away*

Crono

11-01-2002, 03:29 PM

I heard rumours of a new GBA being in development...it was like an new type or something, I dunno. Interesting, I guess...

Angrist

11-01-2002, 04:07 PM

Hmm that would really suck. The AGB hasn't had it's time yet. It's selling great and there are enough super games coming out for it. If they bring out a next one, ppl won't buy. Then you'll get 2 groups of users: AGB & AGB2. Developers will start making only games for the AGB2 and the chaos is complete.

Neo

11-01-2002, 04:34 PM

That's good to hear. For a while it looked as though Nintendo might go 3rd party.

I don't think you need to worry about an AGB2 being released anytime soon. They're for sure just exploring their options right now.

Jason1

11-01-2002, 05:32 PM

It felt really good to hear that...Nintendo has made some strange decisions in the past that we question...but this shows they are on track.

Perfect Stu

11-01-2002, 08:15 PM

The sad thing is that if they release the system a year or so later than PS3 and XBox2 it's doomed already

CrOnO_LiNk

11-01-2002, 08:19 PM

Originally posted by Perfect Stu
The sad thing is that if they release the system a year or so later than PS3 and XBox2 it's doomed already

To be honest, I think PS3 won't sell better than PS2 in America... Unless Square and EA continue their redeam.

TheGame

11-02-2002, 12:35 AM

Let's see, Ps2 sold more than GCN, at a higher price point, with hard development, and a "crappy" list of first party developers.

Anybody who sais Ps3 will do remotly bad is talking out of thier "butt" ;)

Ps2 was Sony's last chance to fail, it has everything wrong with it. Price, Power, and development... all three work against Ps2, and Ps2 is kicking the hell out of the more powerful, lower priced, and more developer friendly consoles.

Nintendo has yet to make progress sense SNES.

MS... well, they are keeping up with Nintendo as a newbie, that probably do have a big future.

Stu is 100% correct, it Nintendo doesn't have a head start next time, it could be deadly.

Joeiss

11-02-2002, 09:07 AM

I think that the N64 was amazing... Oh well... Lol.

And yeah... I wonder when all of the next gen consoles will be released... It would be cool if they were released all on the same day..... Why? Because then we could truly see who has the best start in competition.

And..... I hope that Nintendo goes back to cartridges! YEAH! That would be great.

;)

Jonbo298

11-02-2002, 01:04 PM

What was said in this has completely backfired the "Q-Man" in this months EGM rumour section. They are trying to say that Nintendo might follow with other former 2nd parties and leave. i just busted up laughing after reading that. And I hope the next-next(?) generation console from Nintendo has an ORIGINAL Name!! Gawd. PS3 and XBox2 are soo friggin lame. But IMO, Nintendo isn't just gonna quit. They have too much of a fanbase to just quit on. Like me:D:D

Joeiss

11-02-2002, 01:46 PM

Nobody said yet that the next Playstation or Xbox consoles would be called PS3 and Xbox2, respectively. I don't know what you're smoking.

TheGame

11-02-2002, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by Joeiss
And yeah... I wonder when all of the next gen consoles will be released... It would be cool if they were released all on the same day..... Why? Because then we could truly see who has the best start in competition.

I hope not... cause I could only see Sony winning that war.. hell, I could only see Sony winning any war.:D ;)

GameKinG

11-02-2002, 02:53 PM

The only way PS3 will do worse is if people see the faults of PS2, which The Game has already stated. Now, I think its safe to say that PS2 sold well based on PSX, because the launch well, lets face it, not the best games. So unless the PS2 does bad in its last 3 years (mind you GTA:VC is not helping the competition), PS2 will give the same amount of hype.

Unless they REALLY screw up PS3.

Perfect Stu

11-02-2002, 03:03 PM

Crono_Link, if you're not going to elaborate on your comment I'll just assume you're talking out of your ass

'PS3' is rumoured to be powered by the 'Cell' technology, which has been in heavy development for years already. And now with rumours of Sony using their own disc called the 'Blu Ray Disc' which holds about 9 times as much space as a DVD with full out DD5.1 sound, things are sounding better.

I don't see any negatives regarding the upcoming Sony console. I mean, the success of the PS2 has already forced Microsoft to cut the lifespan of the XBox shorter than they would like and to release 'XBox2' before or at the same time as 'PS3'.

CrOnO_LiNk

11-02-2002, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by Perfect Stu
Crono_Link, if you're not going to elaborate on your comment I'll just assume you're talking out of your ass

'PS3' is rumoured to be powered by the 'Cell' technology, which has been in heavy development for years already. And now with rumours of Sony using their own disc called the 'Blu Ray Disc' which holds about 9 times as much space as a DVD with full out DD5.1 sound, things are sounding better.

I don't see any negatives regarding the upcoming Sony console. I mean, the success of the PS2 has already forced Microsoft to cut the lifespan of the XBox shorter than they would like and to release 'XBox2' before or at the same time as 'PS3'.

Calm down guys. I just said I think it won't sell better than Playstation 2. It was just a guess. {PS3 will be awesome and I know it'll be a million times better than PS2 but PS2 was the only new generation console at its time. My guess is that if GC, Xbox, and PS2 all came out the same time, PS2 wouldn't be dominating the gaming industry. Around where I live, all my friends have a PS2 just because everyone was dying for it back then... The only one game they have is an NBA game which they never really play.

When I said I think it won't sell better, I was talking about the gamers I know of. These guys just bought a PS2 just because of the DVD player and for one sport game. My friends are pretty smart but when it comes to gaming, they're the biggest dumbasses ever. So now they don't even touch their PS2's and knowing that, I am sure they won't buy a PS3.

What I am trying to say is that PS2 sold well because so many non-gamers bought it and aren't even touching it right now. I am glad Sony is doing well and I really like the company Sony, but many people don't buy a PS2 for the games... Do you know what I am getting to? If you don't then I am sorry I am explaining this in a gay way but I am certain that the people who don't ever play their PS2 will not buy a PS3 unless it turns out to be like a super computer type of new technology thing...

Mediocre

11-02-2002, 10:39 PM

That is good

Joeiss

11-02-2002, 11:43 PM

I am pretty sure most of the people who you claim have not used their PS2's since the beginning are probably playing GTA: VC right now.

;)

And..... I wonder if Nintendo's next console will use regular DVD format, rather than the mini-disks.... I think that this will be better, you know, for the extra space and such.

And it would be sweet if the next GameBoy used the mini-disks... Now that would be amazing.

GameKinG

11-03-2002, 12:23 AM

Maybe they will develop a high-capacity mini-disc. That way we have backward compatiblity.

CrOnO_LiNk

11-03-2002, 02:05 AM

Originally posted by Joeiss
I am pretty sure most of the people who you claim have not used their PS2's since the beginning are probably playing GTA: VC right now.

;)

Not the people I know.

Originally posted by GameKinG
Maybe they will develop a high-capacity mini-disc. That way we have backward compatiblity.

That's a good idea.

Angrist

11-03-2002, 08:04 AM

We could have backward compatibility if they discs were bigger...

What if Panasonic develops something not-disc? Something not-rotating? Like a crystal cube, with the information stored in 3D?
I think I've heard something about such a system.

fingersman

11-03-2002, 10:41 AM

If Nintendo wants to realease their system the sametime as Sony ( which sorta makes sense)...they better have it backward compatible or it might piss of alot of people, who thought the Cube would stick around for 6 years or so........I think Shiggy said something around those lines about the Cube.....that Nintendo plaaned to support beyond the normal console lifespan.

Joeiss

11-03-2002, 12:54 PM

Oh yeah.... I remember that... But I really do not think that people will mind getting a new Nintendo system as long as : the graphics are immensely better (duh, all new systems are), and a Mario game is released at launch time!!!!

GameKinG

11-03-2002, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by Angrist
We could have backward compatibility if they discs were bigger...

What if Panasonic develops something not-disc? Something not-rotating? Like a crystal cube, with the information stored in 3D?
I think I've heard something about such a system.

I told you not to go into jamacian shops.

bobcat

11-03-2002, 04:10 PM

The Ps2 was always going to have the most hardware sales, no matter how many things it did wrong with the hardware. Why? It all dates back to the N64 and Psx days.

Sony struck a gold mine with the Psx, and now they sit comfortably for the next couple of generations of consoles (including the Ps3 me thinx). Because they have won the consumers trust in a console that has the most varied and high quality games.

With so many people buying a Psx, naturally the Ps2 is going to sell, especially considering it has a DVD player installed (which was highly on demand at the release of the Ps2). Which makes me think if the Ps3 is going to come built with a DVD burner :unsure:

It's a no brainer. The Xbox and GC will never catch up to the Ps2's sales. But each console does have its good/bad points. Which is why I bought all 3. So as a gamer I can choose which games I want.

TheGame

11-03-2002, 04:13 PM

If GCN can't break 20 Milltion world wide in sales, Nintendo should stop making consoles. If they do break it and still lose to Xbox, they should stop making consoles. If they break 20 and beat Xbox They better release the most kick as system ever before they even imagine competing with Sony.

The thing that sucks is Nintendo is as good as dead because they are a video game ONLY company and can only afford so much.

I mean, Sony and MS could take a $200+ loss on ever Xbox/Ps2 sold at launch, and wait years to break even. While Nintendo could do the same, but they can't risk it because if GCN were to flop with a $200 loss on every console the company "Nintendo" would be dead... while "Microsoft" and "Sony" consider Video games one of thier lowest priorities. (I think it's coming up on Sony's list, but to M$ it's just a way to waste billtions to make billions)

This is why I think Nintendo should wait on next generation and release the console a year later than the competition.

I mean, if M$, Sony, AND Nintendo launched at the same time Nintendo would be raped. Nintendo would have the smallest advertizing campaing... and the highest priced hardware. (if not highes priced, lowest in quality because they can't afford to dress up a $500 system in $300 like M$ and Sony)

If they wait a year, they can get that advantage they had with N64 that Microsoft stole this generation. "Power"

(I think if it wasn't for N64's power advantage over Psx, N64 would have flopped.)

But who knows... maybe Nintendo has a good chance of regaining the crown. Maybe not. All I know is, with all the hype of the "Nintendo Dolphin" and how "N" fanboys were praising it from the start, and also how they would act like it can murder Ps2 and Xbox.... I would have thought this generation GCN had a great chance.

GameKinG

11-03-2002, 04:48 PM

You would be suprised what Nintendo could afford. Unless it was $30 Billion.

Joeiss

11-03-2002, 04:54 PM

Nintendo can afford jack squat compared to Sony and MicroSoft.

GameKinG

11-03-2002, 05:54 PM

I didnt say they could afford as much. But sony and MS dont normaly make purchases that are also out of Nintendo's reach.

Besides, they are still more successful in THIS industry.

Joeiss

11-03-2002, 06:13 PM

Originally posted by GameKinG
I didnt say they could afford as much. But sony and MS dont normaly make purchases that are also out of Nintendo's reach.

That is only because they do not have to. Nintendo usually opts out in the buying process, so MS or Sony purchase something that Nintendo could, but didn't.

GameKinG

11-03-2002, 06:54 PM

How did this convo even turn into a networth chat.

Lets keep on topic:

Both Gamecube & GBA Successor confirmed by Nintendo

Bond

11-03-2002, 07:58 PM

1. If this was a money war in the videogame industry Microsoft would have already won. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Bill Gate's net worth is slightly more than Sony. Nintendo can not fairly compete with Microsoft, or even Sony money wise.

2. Successors to the GameCube and GBA are nothing to get excited about, successors to the PS2 and Xbox have already been announced. I don't see why anyone would be jumping up and down.

GameKinG

11-03-2002, 10:14 PM

Because of the people who said Nintendo cant afford to move to the next genration, and they just cant make it in the console industry. Therefore Nintendo = Third Party...

Angrist

11-04-2002, 07:05 AM

Perhaps they should make 1 uber-console. That would be the best solution. No more competition, but the powers of all companies combined.

Nintendo's controller with M$'s console power with Nintendo's games with PS2 popularity & game diversity. :D

I hate the competition. "PS2 is much better because it has cooler games!" "Well, I like the games Nintendo makes!!" "You suck!"
And besides, it's getting harder to play multiplayer games because everybody has different consoles (and thus different controllers). :(

GameKinG

11-04-2002, 10:05 AM

That would probably be bad for some 3rd parties. Now they have like 7 NFL games to compete with, yet when you have 3 console some say on that console only, so no worry.

TheGame

11-04-2002, 11:23 AM

I love competition.

(Imagine if GBA had competition, the handheld gaming buisness would be twice as good and probably twice as "Advanced")

I just don't like the three way competition. I consider Nintendo more of a developer than a console maker... that's why I'd rather see them join up with MS or Sony.

Plus I hate how ignorant they are when making consoles. I mean, if GCN would have had a decent sized memory card that could have solved half the issues I had with the system. Nintendo is also completly ignoring DVD playback and Online Gaming because "It's not profitable yet"

wtf?

I know every DC owner who played a lot of online games, and every Ps2/Xbox gamer to touch an online game probably can't imagine buying ONLY a console that doesn't feature any type of online play. It's profitable, trust me.

They just want to sit back and wait while the competitors test the waters with newer features. "Ooh... people want carts, not CDs, cause of the loading times"

Then there was the "GCN loads faster than N64" thing. Complete BS.

There is also the instance where they sell thier highest quality 2nd party.... why? To get a few bucks in thier pockets. 10 years down the line will Nintendo look back on that as one of the smartest moves the ever made? Doubtful.

Damn, I didn't relize I could bitch this much about Nintendo this gen. :p

Next generation they better do EVERYTHING right, or I'm not buying. I mean, as if losing Perfect Dark, The No Mercy wrestling engine, and the "Dark" Zelda wasn't enough. I could care less about Nintendo's 1st/2nd parties now.... my respect for them is fading. When they start worrying about Game quality instead of how much they will profit, I will go back to thier side... and I don't think that will ever happen unless they turn into a 2nd party.

Crash

11-04-2002, 01:03 PM

pc's outsell macs by a landslide, macs aren't leaving. they are still being made. WHy? cause they ahve a loyal following, so does nintendo. they aren't going anywhere, nintendo is still making millions of dollars, just not as many millions as sony. (but sony is losing a bunch in their movie and other electronic business he he )

TheGame

11-04-2002, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by Crash
pc's outsell macs by a landslide, macs aren't leaving. they are still being made. WHy? cause they ahve a loyal following, so does nintendo. they aren't going anywhere, nintendo is still making millions of dollars, just not as many millions as sony. (but sony is losing a bunch in their movie and other electronic business he he )

I'm not denying that they are making money... read the below quote:

"When they start worrying about Game quality instead of how much they will profit, I will go back to thier side... "

Yes, Nintendo is making millions... but off of what?

1) Selling Rare aka selling game quality?
2) Having super low memory cards[/b] at an extreme rip-off price? Memory card 59, 500kb, $15... Ps2's memory card, 8000kb $30... 16x the memory for 2x the price, and yes Sony profits a lot off of thier memory cards. The funny part is, it hurts the game quality of 90% of (simulation) sports games on the Cube.
3) Taking the smallest loss on every system made instead of just simply lowering the price?
4) Making crap games and tossing Nintendo licenced charicters on it just so it will sell?

These are just a few examples. Before Rare was sold and before I know THQ would stop making wrestling games with the Aki engine, and before Zelda got the makeover... buying into GCN's craptacular hardware was worth it.

I used to not need sports games to buy a Nintendo system because I was guaranteed greatness out of the first and second parties. Is that still the case? NO. Nintendo hasn't done anything great with GCN yet if you ask me.

Thank god I didn't just own a cube, I would have went insane.

It is fall 2002, aka the year hyped up to be "owned" by Nintendo... and with the exception of AC there isn't a game I have wanted that was released in September, October, November, or December that I couldn't get a better version of on Ps2.

Why is this? Because Nintendo is in it for the money. Not to say nobody else wants money... but they are putting more forward in thier hardware than Nintendo. What was Nintendo's last big developer purchase? M$ flopped out $$$ for Rare... and Sony flops out $$$ to keep the GTA series exclusive. What does Nintendo do? Look for the cheapest little nobody developer they can find and try to make them great by giving them a Nintendo licence.

Even Hal Labs... take away Nintendo franchises and what are they? SSB would be a joke without Mario and Link jumping around.

Nintendo is a great developer, they are just trying too hard for that little profit. They turn thier back on my as a sport gamer just to make an extra $10 per memory card sold, I'll just turn my back on them.

Joeiss

11-04-2002, 04:31 PM

Nice posts, BJW.

I would give you some dblns, but you cannot take them, and I cannot give them. ;)

And another thing, does Nintendo lose money on their GCNs?

Bond

11-04-2002, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by Joeiss

And another thing, does Nintendo lose money on their GCNs?
Yes... Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo all lose money on making their systems. Microsoft losing the most, then Sony, then Nintendo I believe, they make the money back (or hope to) on games and accessories.

Joeiss

11-04-2002, 06:04 PM

Well then, if Nintendo lowered their price of the system in the new year, just in time for Zelda, would they be losing money, gaining money, or break even? I mean, Zelda will sell many-a-copies.... So I think that they can afford a price cut, that is if the competition does it first, because I cannot see Nintendo beginning that.

And... This was definately not the year of Nintendo, IMO. They say that they have the "Nintendo Difference", but hell, I think that the PS2 has a better line up than the GCN for the past summer and the fall. I am getting my share of amazing, exclusive games from the PS2 (SOCOM, GTA:VC, Ratchet and Clank), and quite frankly, I do not think that Nintendo is delivering in the way that they should (in regards to exclusive 3rd party games, and 1st party games).

GameKinG

11-04-2002, 11:21 PM

I think Nintendo is turning a profit now, though with the price lowered that may have changed. Im willing to bet they are, with all the developer fees, and game sales.

I think MS predicted sales to turn late next year, though that was also before the bundle...long before it. Analyst said MS would take 3 years or something.

TheGame

11-05-2002, 12:41 AM

Originally posted by GameKinG
I think Nintendo is turning a profit now, though with the price lowered that may have changed. Im willing to bet they are, with all the developer fees, and game sales.

I think MS predicted sales to turn late next year, though that was also before the bundle...long before it. Analyst said MS would take 3 years or something.

Now... with the purchase of Rare and all... MS might not even turn a profit this generation at all!

The old prediction, before the launch, the purchase of Rare, and the creation of Xbox Live, was that it would take 4 years... now that seems near impossible.

They are just paying the price to get thier foot into the industry's door.

I agree with you on the fact that Nintendo may be turning a profit right now. What have they really spent $$$ on? They sold Rare, cancelled SW... and I haven't seen some huge blockbuster promotion. (I guess Cube clubs can count... but as long as it doesn't touch my home town I can't see it costing that much)

GameKinG

11-05-2002, 12:48 AM

Yes true, I forgot out MS's latest purchases, and investments.

Its hard to tell if they will turn a profit on xbox. And they will likely try to beat Sony out the door with their next console, before XBox has a chance.

Oh, and I doubt Nintendo would even think of Bakersfield as a plausable location. ;)

Bond

11-05-2002, 07:25 AM

Angrist

11-05-2002, 10:18 AM

1 1/2 year ago, we were so happy that M$ didn't buy Nintendo. Now, do you think that would have been a good choice? Should Nintendo have joined with M$??

ShinkuSan

11-05-2002, 10:24 AM

they beat there meat ;)

BlueFire

11-05-2002, 11:54 AM

Originally posted by ShinkuSan
they beat there meat ;)

!

Is that really you? :hmm:

TheGame

11-05-2002, 12:29 PM

Originally posted by Angrist
1 1/2 year ago, we were so happy that M$ didn't buy Nintendo. Now, do you think that would have been a good choice? Should Nintendo have joined with M$??

lol... back then I was the only one who wanted Nintendo to be bought out. My opinion hasn't changed on that.

Put every GCN exclusive game on Xbox.... or every Xbox exclusive game on GCN... Then take into account that Nintendo wouldn't have to worry about spending money on hardware, and the fact that they could concentrate on 100% games. Toss on M$'s ad campaing and bottomless pocket. Take one competitor off the shelves...

Then we can start to imagine what good things a Nintendo buyout could have meant.

We might have had a system capible of competing with Sony!

Oh well though... according to Nintendo "we didn't even need the money they offerd"

But in the end, the payoff probably would have been somthing light years ahead of what M$ offerd.

Joeiss

11-05-2002, 06:28 PM

WTF. MS wanted to buy Nintendo? Where the hell was I when this happened?

TheGame

11-05-2002, 06:37 PM

Originally posted by Joeiss
WTF. MS wanted to buy Nintendo? Where the hell was I when this happened?

It happend before people even Considerd Xbox a realistic competitor on the industry.

In "Nintendo Dolphin"'s early days...

There were MAJOR rumors going around about a buy-out too! Of course, it was blown off by most Nintendo fans kinda like the Rare rumors.

Then the rumors dissappeard... then Microsoft came out with a book a lil while ago about making the Xbox. They clearly say they attempted to buy Nintendo and Nintendo said "they don't need the money"

*shrugs*

GameKinG

11-05-2002, 06:45 PM

Yeah, they wanted to purchases Nintendo for almost their current Net worth. Nintendo would have been a very large company at that rate, but they probably wouldnt care because they would be under MS's thumb.

Joeiss

11-05-2002, 07:32 PM

Oh. Cool, thanks.

Angrist

11-06-2002, 07:06 AM

If only it would have been a joint-venture instead of a buy-out... A buy-out sounds too... Microsoft. M$ would have made the console while Nintendo could have learned them quite a few tricks. :unsure:

TheGame

11-06-2002, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by Angrist
If only it would have been a joint-venture instead of a buy-out... A buy-out sounds too... Microsoft. M$ would have made the console while Nintendo could have learned them quite a few tricks. :unsure:

I think that it would only work as a buyout because:

1) Nintendo had way too much faith in thier own console, and way too little faith in Ps2's hard development and M$ newbieness.

2) Nintendo probably already wasted millions of dollars creating the Gamecube before M$ steped in.

3) Nintendo probably wouldn't have accepted development for the 'Xbox' any other way... and there is no way in hell M$ would have wanted to use the 'GCN' hardware this generation.

I know you guys would have been pretty pissed to start off if you all had to spend the extra $$$ on Xbox and have to deal with the controller too :p

But we didn't know back then that Xbox and GCN would both be raped by Ps2. Now that we look back, most of us (most, not all) probably view it as a bad move for Nintendo... Xbox isn't looking too bad now-a-days. One less console to buy (for me ;))

Back then Xbox was predicted to flop though, and I wouldn't have even liked them buying out Nintendo. I mean, Xbox flops, M$ owns Nintendo, what happens next? PC games for Nintendo? :D

Oh well, maybe they can do it Next generation... hopfully. I don't like the three way competition.

bobcat

11-06-2002, 06:42 PM

Originally posted by TheGame
Oh well, maybe they can do it Next generation... hopfully. I don't like the three way competition.

Same.

There are too many multiplatform games. Games that are available on multiple consoles are less appealing for some reason (to me).

I don't want Nintendo to stop making consoles however. I totally see The Game's points, and I agree with most of them. Sony and Microsoft have way more money than Sony, hence they can buy more.

But I don't want it to be a Microsoft vs Sony console war in the end. Then on the other hand, if it's Nintendo vs Sony, Nintendo won't be able to compete head to head because of their console not having what mainstream people want (built in DVD player, MANY different games etc).

So I think that Nintendo aren't really competing with Sony and Microsoft for some reason. If they wanted to, I'm sure that they would have made the GC more like an Entertainment System rather than a console (e.g. hdd, dvd player) . It just seems that the GC is the odd one out of the 3, but that doesn't mean I don't want Nintendo to make consoles (or entertainment units for that matter).

I do want them to continue, but my question to Nintendo is "are you competing with Sony and Microsoft?"

If they are, then they need to create an entertainment unit, not a console, if not, then they are doing fine.

GameKinG

11-06-2002, 11:10 PM

I dont think they will team up next gen, though rumors speculate the next console will incorperate Panasonic enough to consider it a joint venture, and not just Nintendo.

Dyne

11-07-2002, 03:06 AM

Originally posted by GameKinG
I dont think they will team up next gen, though rumors speculate the next console will incorperate Panasonic enough to consider it a joint venture, and not just Nintendo.

Panasonic + Nintendo= Yes.

Panasonic would love to see Sony, their main competitor, crash and burn. If we had the Panasonic Q instead of the Gamecube (but still called Gamecube), how do you think it would do?

Well, the obvious note comes up that Gamecube can't play bigger discs, disallowing large-memory games. Right now, their different style in the market is their strong point against the Xbox.

I had a dream the night I heard about the succesor to the Gamecube... I dreamt of a console that looked like the N64, but had the gamecube style disc insert instead of the RAM part and the cartridge space... and was silverish-blue. It was for big discs. That truly would be the perfect system in my opinion. People wouldn't complain about how it was big like the Xbox. It had a DVD player (panasonic partnership, just like the IBM or ATI partnership), and it looked really cool. But too bad it really was a dream. :(

Nintendo can't continue this "portable" thing, it's taking away from good CPU processing and polygon counts. Someone's going to have to be the oddball out, and if Nintendo falls into that category once more, it's going to be a hard time for us all. I know Nintendo is able to make great games, we've seen that over the years. But it's time to make another Super Nintendo if they want a good chance. It's pretty amazing a software company managed to come out with better hardware than Nintendo.

If Nintendo means "We do our best and leave luck to heaven!" then they certainly aren't doing their best. They have good luck, but they can't rely on it like this.

Edit: Well... I do realize they jumped ahead by accident by releasing the 64 bit cartridge system. The virtual boy really knocked them off. One mistake after another... from letting go of Sony while they were making the SNES CD add-on and allowing them to become the toughest competitor against them since 1995, to making the weak virtual boy as a 32-bit entry to compensate for Sony and Sega's 32 bit entries, to making a strong system that still used cartridges (and losing square's ff7 and the rest for all of those years--wasting millions of sales so far) much too late, to the Gamecube which doesn't have the latest stuff either, which happens to be DVD support. The Gamecube's lucky it's not suffering the same fate. Nintendo needs to do their absolute best next generation. Nintendo Software and Panasonic/Nintendo/IBM/ATI partnered hardware is a killer combination.

TheGame

11-07-2002, 12:43 PM

"The Gamecube's lucky it's not suffering the same fate."

I think GCN will come in third this generation.. but it's not because of Nintendo being ignorant, it''s because they won't stop making hardware. Compared to M$ and Sony, Nintendo doesn't even have enough money to keep making consoles. They have enough fan backing to make consoles, but as we see, that is fading more and more with each generation.

If they can't beat two higher priced competitors in sales with such strong 1st party support (which I feel they lost with Rare), Easy development, and about a 15 Year experience lead... how on earth will they return to greatness in the future?

They better latch on to sombody before it's too late and they find themselves flopping out of controll like Sega. They better sell thier worth now before they become worthless.

I for one hope Nintendo is bought out by M$... let Ms handle the hardware, and Nintendo (along with M$'s A-List of 2nd parties) could just handle the software.

Angrist

11-08-2002, 06:46 AM

But then M$ would HAVE to listen to Nintendo (Miyamoto) when it comes to controllers and stuff. X-Box is far from perfect.

Dyne

11-08-2002, 01:33 PM

I agree, Nintendosoft would be utter HELL. Microsoft is a software company, they won't go into hardware. They wanted to expand their abilities and make more money with bigger, better games in a different market in mind when they created the Xbox. They'd be caught dead before Nintendo comes in. Nintendo would put them out of the Xbox games business if they had to share. They're two different companies with two different philosophies.

Plus, Microsoft has had many more flops. Look at Whacked and Blinx. Wtf? If they had to share they'd start to lose much more money. Think about it for a second.