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BlueFire
10-02-2002, 02:13 PM
SEGA'S PHANTASY STAR ONLINE EPISODE I & II TO FEATURE EXCLUSIVE ONLINE CONTENT

SAN FRANCISCO - (October 2, 2002) - SEGA(R) of America, Inc. today announced that "Phantasy Star(TM) Online Episode I & II," the company's 20th online game and the first online-enabled game for the Nintendo GameCube(TM), will feature exclusive downloadable quests as part of the game's online service package. The "Phantasy Star Online Episode I & II" service package will be available from SEGA for $8.95 per month beginning at the game's launch in the U.S. on October 29, 2002. "Phantasy Star Online Episode I & II" can be played offline with up to four players for free.

"Phantasy Star Online Episode I & II" online quests will include themed seasonal missions and will feature special items and secrets exclusive to online subscribers. Based on the wildly popular "Phantasy Star" universe, "Phantasy Star Online Episode I & II" features two complete games in one, allowing players to team up with up to three friends online via a dial-up or broadband connection, or enjoy a full offline experience, including a four-player split screen mode. Featuring a universal translation system, the game also lets online players seamlessly communicate while playing - no matter what language they speak.

"More than a half million people have already experienced 'Phantasy Star Online(TM)' on the SEGA Dreamcast(TM), and now we're excited that 'Phantasy Star Online Episode I & II' will be the first online game for the Nintendo GameCube," said Mike Fischer, vice president, entertainment marketing, SEGA of America, Inc. "SEGA has an untouchable reputation for innovation, and we continue to lead the gaming world by example, with this, our 20th online game."




http://www.planetgamecube.com/news.cfm?action=item&id=3498


Hmm.... I thought it would be close to what other sites reported... 15 bucks every 3 months...

:unsure:

Crono
10-02-2002, 03:09 PM
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8.95 US is like 13 canadian

oh well...Ill have a job anyway....or at least I hope...

This is kinda dissapointing....

I hope it doesnt require a credit card, I hope they have other payment methods...

DarkMaster
10-02-2002, 03:15 PM
if it wasnt for the ps2 HDD, this game would be just as expensive as FF11...

Jason1
10-02-2002, 03:20 PM
I still dont like the idea of paying more to play an online videogame. We peeps pay enough to our SP's. They should just make the game cost more if they really need the money, cuz having to worry about crap like that is dumb.

DarkMaster
10-02-2002, 04:10 PM
if 1000 americans played on the PSO servers for a year that would get Sega around $9000 plus taxes, and plus the money from sold copies of PSO that those 1000 people bought which would be over $50,000. so thats about $60,000 just for 1000 people playing. you telling me they need that much money to run their servers for 1000 people? my ass

gekko
10-02-2002, 06:19 PM
$50 for game goes to pay for the development of the game.
$9 a month goes to pay for the servers, and the constant server maintenance.

DarkMaster
10-02-2002, 06:34 PM
so wut do they get for profits? eventually the development costs would be payed off.

gekko
10-02-2002, 06:55 PM
Development costs get paid off with the purchase of the software, no different than an offline game. The monthly fee goes to paying for the servers, and the constant maintenance that they undergo, which requires hiring a lot of people and continuing to pay them. It's not like they just set it up and let it go, they keep patching it to try to stop cheating, and add downloadable missions, etc.

DarkMaster
10-02-2002, 07:12 PM
yeah i know, you're right. but still, i hate these stupid ass fees

CrOnO_LiNk
10-02-2002, 07:17 PM
$9...? Damn! I am not buying it... I was very interested in buying it but now I can't.

DarkMaster
10-02-2002, 07:21 PM
$9 a month isnt THAT much, but it does add up. just get a job

Perfect Stu
10-02-2002, 09:16 PM
Originally posted by DarkMaster
just get a job

or better yet, buy a game that doesn't charge monthly fees :)

DarkMaster
10-02-2002, 09:22 PM
Originally posted by Perfect Stu
or better yet, buy a game that doesn't charge monthly fees :)
you have a point there....

DeathsHand
10-02-2002, 09:24 PM
Originally posted by DarkMaster
just get a job

Easier said than done... :-o

Around here:

Guy: Are you hiring?
Store1: No.

Guy: Are you hiring?
Store2: No.

Guy: Are you hiring?
Store3: No.

Guy: Are you hiring?
Store4: Yes, but we get about 300 applications a day

Guy: Are you hiring?
Store5: que?

....

:unsure:

DarkMaster
10-02-2002, 09:28 PM
like the old saying goes, If you cant make money....steal it from crono!!!

Jason1
10-02-2002, 09:34 PM
Gekko is a suppourter of monthly fees....

I say, down with monthly fees!!!!!!


But whatever, and Deathshand, I dont think its as hard to get a job as you make it out to be...but soon enough I will be looking for a job, so we will see.

Blix
10-02-2002, 09:36 PM
Originally posted by Perfect Stu
or better yet, buy a game that doesn't charge monthly fees :) In other words an offline game. This is why I never tought online was "the big Sh!t" as everyone made it seem. But now those same people (I'm not talking about members of this forum) are bitching about it. They wanted online gameplay right? Well, they have it. IMO, it's not bad really. I think it's a reasonable price.

Perfect Stu
10-02-2002, 09:37 PM
Originally posted by Nemesis
In other words an offline game.

can you say SOCOM?

DeathsHand
10-02-2002, 09:41 PM
Originally posted by Jason1
But whatever, and Deathshand, I dont think its as hard to get a job as you make it out to be...but soon enough I will be looking for a job, so we will see.

It varies in difficulty from area to area...

And depending on what kind of person you are...

Or wether or not you're extremely crazy shy...

:sneaky:

Jason1
10-02-2002, 09:49 PM
Originally posted by DeathsHand
It varies in difficulty from area to area...

And depending on what kind of person you are...

Or wether or not you're extremely crazy shy...

:sneaky:

Why would being shy matter? Its not like you put that in an application.

DeathsHand
10-02-2002, 10:03 PM
Originally posted by Jason1
Why would being shy matter? Its not like you put that in an application.

Yeah I know, forget actually having to walk into the store and ask people questions...

:sneaky:

Jason1
10-02-2002, 10:06 PM
Originally posted by DeathsHand
Yeah I know, forget actually having to walk into the store and ask people questions...

:sneaky:

What like ''Can I get an application'' Not to difficult I wouldnt think.

but once you actually get a job on the other hand...depending on what it is, you might have to do a lot of talking to people, but I dont think I would have a problem with that in a job situation, its a personal situations I have problems with.

DeathsHand
10-02-2002, 10:09 PM
Originally posted by Jason1
What like ''Can I get an application'' Not to difficult I wouldnt think.

but once you actually get a job on the other hand...depending on what it is, you might have to do a lot of talking to people, but I dont think I would have a problem with that in a job situation, its a personal situations I have problems with.

If I had a job, I'd deal with things and probably wouldn't be too shy cuz uhh... I'd have to do the job...

my problem is actually going in and asking about a job at some store I've never been to before... :sneaky:

Now enough about jobs... back to the stupid little monthly fees...

CrOnO_LiNk
10-02-2002, 10:17 PM
Originally posted by Perfect Stu
or better yet, buy a game that doesn't charge monthly fees :)

Yup, very true, Stu. Darkmaster,.... I am kinda poor ... :baby:

Well, only when it comes to videogames... You see, my parents will let me buy anything educational but buying one game even with my own money is a problem. So, don't get the wrong idea and think I am holmless... Just can't buy a lot of games.

gekko
10-02-2002, 10:50 PM
Originally posted by Jason1
Gekko is a suppourter of monthly fees....

No, I just disagree with the mass amounts of greedy gamers who think everything should be handed to them for free. Either they think everything should be given to them for free, or they use the reference that PC has free gaming.

I'm just not stupid. Today's consoles can't handle peer-to-peer at anywhere near the level of a PC, that you must depend on remote servers. As a PSO fan, I appreciated Sega constantly patching the servers trying to stop cheaters. Although cheating was still a big problem, I saw the need for people who can keep improving on the servers, making our gaming experience great as long as we want to continue to play these games. I know it's not cheap, and if you play games online, it's well worth the price.

At the same time, I can go play free games like SOCOM. Granted it's really only free because they want to attack Xbox Live and it's Sony's first game, I can still tell its free, and wish it wasn't. SOCOM faced weeks of very poor servers that crashed constantly. Now people still get disconnected quite a bit. Bugs are being found on the maps that allows players to walk in the mountain and shoot the other guys without being seen, and without being able to shoot back. GameShark will come eventually. Hell, we still don't even have player rankings working. I wish SOCOM's crews were working round the clock to improve the experience, but the reality is it costs extra money to do that, and therefore I must settle with the way things are now.

Even Xbox Live is gonna be pricey. Sure the first year is free, but that again is marketing and trying to get people onboard. After that it's monthly fees. And don't forget the stuff they are writing in small print, paying for downloadable content and creating subscription games. Don't be surprised if you're paying $20+ monthly for Xbox Live. But in the end, the Xbox Live users will have a great online experience because they are paying. The PSO players will have a great experience because they're paying. SOCOM is a great game, but the online experience will always have its problems. But I can't expect anything to be done about it, that would be like complaining that something I got for free isn't good enough.

Better get used to it, our economy is getting worse, not better.

CrOnO_LiNk
10-02-2002, 11:17 PM
Originally posted by gekko
No, I just disagree with the mass amounts of greedy gamers who think everything should be handed to them for free. Either they think everything should be given to them for free, or they use the reference that PC has free gaming.


Don't think I am one of those "greedy gamers." I respect all the work from developers and publishers. They have to charge monthly so they can handle all those servers. But I just can't pay off $10 a month. It's impossible for me.

Dyne
10-03-2002, 03:35 PM
Well, I added it up. For Canadians, for one year, including all costs*, it's well over $300 to play, EXCLUDING taxes of 14.5% in BC**. That's ridiculous. I think I'm migrating over to Xbox Live... slowly... For that exact price, you could buy an Xbox and a game.

*Game+Modem+Peripheral+12 months of fees
**With tax it would close in on $400. Cripey.
:eek:

Mushlafa
10-03-2002, 03:58 PM
14.5 over there... here in Toronto its like 15% me thinks :unsure:

yeah anyway.. i prolly wont get this game..

Dyne
10-03-2002, 04:08 PM
Originally posted by Mushlafa
14.5 over there... here in Toronto its like 15% me thinks :unsure:

yeah anyway.. i prolly wont get this game..

*cough*

It's 17%. I really feel sorry for you and Quebec-ians.

:eyes:

Perfect Stu
10-03-2002, 04:34 PM
actually, d00d, it's 15% for Ontario...

gekko
10-03-2002, 06:56 PM
Originally posted by Dyne
Well, I added it up. For Canadians, for one year, including all costs*, it's well over $300 to play, EXCLUDING taxes of 14.5% in BC**. That's ridiculous. I think I'm migrating over to Xbox Live... slowly... For that exact price, you could buy an Xbox and a game.

*Game+Modem+Peripheral+12 months of fees
**With tax it would close in on $400. Cripey.
:eek:

PSO is one of only a few games worth paying a monthly fee for. Migrate to Xbox, it's a decent system. I'm just wondering how you'll feel in a year when you end up paying $10+ a month for Xbox live, plus $50 for the game, plus the monthly fee for the subscription game, plus the extra fee to download additional content.

I just want to point out that this is only the beginning. Developers are going into online play with the hopes to profit, and Xbox Live seems to be setup nicely for them to profit. In addition to allowing developers to have their own subscription fees on top of the Xbox Live fee (PSO will likely be the first to charge), they also make it really easy to purchase new content to download. Which, as you can assume, will be fun at first, but soon you'll see developers leaving a lot of the best cars, weapons, levels, etc. out of the game, and put it up for download. Just wait, you'll see $20+ map packs in the future.

If you get into PSO, the game is well worth $9 a month. But if you don't, it's a waste. But believe me, if you become addicted to PSO, it'll be money well spent. But mark my words, it'll only get worse.

Dyne
10-04-2002, 12:48 AM
Originally posted by gekko
PSO is one of only a few games worth paying a monthly fee for. Migrate to Xbox, it's a decent system. I'm just wondering how you'll feel in a year when you end up paying $10+ a month for Xbox live, plus $50 for the game, plus the monthly fee for the subscription game, plus the extra fee to download additional content.

Who's to assume that I'll stay for more than a year? Right now, it seems highly uncomfortable compared to M$'s plan--plus, only one game to boot. It's wrong at this point in time.

Mediocre
10-21-2002, 08:10 AM
Ive been playing for a while now, the game costs me about 800‰~ a month to play online.

cubeman420
10-23-2002, 11:33 PM
Why not just play the game offline if you:

A: Don't want to pay the 9 bucks.

B: Can't afford it.

TheGame
10-24-2002, 12:12 AM
Because the game offline SUCKS (unless you have 3 guys who want to play with you)

I'd rather them charge $100 to buy the game+1 year free access...

I just ain't got credit card room for this game.