Perfect Dark 2 & Kameo Official for Xbox

[Bond]

It's true, here is the official line-up for X02:

Perfect Dark 2 (Rare)
Kameo: Elements of Power (Rare)
Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance (Konami)
FIFA Football 2003 (Electronic Arts)
Steel Battalion (Capcom)
Championship Manager 02/03 (Eidos)
Splinter Cell (Ubi Soft)
Blinx (Microsoft)
Toejam & Earl III: All Funked Up (Sega)
Unreal Championship (Infogrames)

[Perfect Stu]

WOOOOOO!

:beat:

[GameKinG]

Kameo is also suppose to come out by spring, I suppose they just ported over their current work, because thats pretty soon for Rareware...

[Joeiss]

Hmm.... I do too wonder how Rare's games will be showcased on the Xbox. Do you think that they will be playable versions, or just videos? If they are playable, I wonder if they were built from the ground up, or just a port. If it was from the ground up, it just makes you wonder how long Rare and Microsoft have been in talks.

[gekko]

Thank god for Capcom and Sega, or that lineup would be really boring.

[GameKinG]

The article at XBox.com says Development has just begun on XBox.

Also at XBox.com:

Conker, Banjo, and Kameo look the same:

http://www.xbox.com/NR/rdonlyres/egkbye53d5cxrtgpw3typ5f657w6zwftnh7vjbodtjgnskr7kfapxuvnbksckeazjv43k3p2grpajwxsntei5ocnlgh/ilm-rareannounce-0001.jpg

http://www.xbox.com/NR/rdonlyres/e753xq4yumlzz7que5pkekj2ra62gbxajkqgqmqtheiussj6cqe4l4opwpux6m5acf4aecnimec7zuxsejmapyhraob/sbg-rarecharacters-0005.jpg

http://www.xbox.com/NR/rdonlyres/e2fijbsp6xihyj67gvujz5ep42zin4mmdghdvdachwomdpvc22izaexwwk7pibmrfh7p7z377buu735gnxtqthxxape/sbg-rarecharacters-0009.jpg

But J. Dark has a little bit more of a cartoonish effect:

http://www.xbox.com/NR/rdonlyres/ej3ebullr46pqxhz43er7z5bc4cp6aoya3ay754ik67vsqbrgi4tmvfng5t4oqjdjlmrwvgzqewxzknzgwxglajqi5d/sbg-rarecharacters-0007.jpg

Frankly I like the old J.D.

You can find a video with the characters in motion, about the announcement here:

http://www.xbox.com/news/0209/rarepressrelease.htm

[Perfect Stu]

I like the new look for Ms. Dark actually...

[GameKinG]

Lil' more cartoonish then I though it would be, since the old PD0 demo was really good. But, meh, at least its not cel shaded...yet...

[DeathsHand]

I don't think Joanna looks too bad... it is a bit more cartoony than I'd expect to see from PD, but at least she doesn't look fugly like she did before ;)

[One Winged Angel]

Toe Jam and Earl III better come out for Ps2 or gamecube >:(

[DeathsHand]

Originally posted by One Winged Angel
Toe Jam and Earl III better come out for Ps2 or gamecube >:(

I believe I heard that Toe Jam and Early 3 will be Xbox exclusive... ;o

not 100% sure though..

[TheGame]

Originally posted by gekko
Thank god for Capcom and Sega, or that lineup would be really boring.

*looks at Capcom and Sega's Games*

*looks at other games listed*

are you on some type of drugs? I couldn' care less about Toe Jam and Earl and Steel Battalion...

With the exception of Monkey Ball... Sega has been extremly crappy as of late. As for Capcom... they haven't done anything spectacular either... but wowweee... they got some Capcom vs. Somthing ports and Resident Evil 2 and 3 ports coming!!!!

[Professor S]

Originally posted by gekko
Thank god for Capcom and Sega, or that lineup would be really boring.

Someone should call Emiril Legasi because that thread tastes BITTER.

[Perfect Stu]

Originally posted by gekko
Thank god for Capcom and Sega, or that lineup would be really boring.

damn, you would love "Bullcrap Creator v2.0" if it was made by Sega...

[TheGame]

Originally posted by Perfect Stu
damn, you would love "Bullcrap Creator v2.0" if it was made by Sega...

:lol:

He isn't the only one... The only difference is he puts down other games :D

[Shadow_Link]

Looks as though the Xbox line up has spiced up a lot since Rare announced their games :).

I like the new Joanna art too, it kind of deviates quite a bit from that lesbian look. The look kind of reminds me of Timesplitters.

*Hopes PD0 stays in first person*.

The wait for Conker will be unbearable! I need that game now. :(

[Crono]

- Perfect Dark (probably the game I'm most looking forward to on this list, although I dont like the new Joanna art)
-Kameo: Elements Of Power (I really dont care, it didnt sound that interesting to me from the start, prolly cuz there havent been any solid details, but Ill read about it during X02)
-MGS2:Substance (I'll be renting this on PS2 so the XBox version has no interest from me)
-FIFA Footballl 2003 (lol...definitely done care about this game)
-Steel Battalion (sweet, this game looks pretty cool)
-Championship Manager 02/03 (uuuuh.....oookay? never heard of this before)
-Spilnter Cell (definitely looks interesting)
-Blinx (seems kinda weird. I'll hafta read about it)
-Toejam and Earl III (the title of the game is uh...weird, I never played any of these games before so....I dunno)
-Unreal Championship (prolly gonna be the best game of the show)

[Perfect Stu]

this news deserves an avatar change...

:D

[BlueFire]

Joanna looks like a barbie doll, but other than that, i'm hyped about seeing how this turns out. :D

[Professor S]

Originally posted by BLueFire
Joanna looks like a barbie doll, but other than that, i'm hyped about seeing how this turns out. :D

And thats a bad thing?:D

[BlueFire]

Originally posted by The Strangler
And thats a bad thing?:D I don't know.. :p I just expected her to look more realistic or whatever and 'serious'. :D

[Trowser]

The new Joanna look looks better than last..PD was the only Rare game i felt was super great

[Null]

Now that pic doesnt actually mean she'll turn out like that. It could simply be that. Just someones artwork of joanna dark.

personally i dont like it. personally i didnt like how she looked before. she has character in this pic. i like..... she looked more realistic before. which i liked.

But right now id say out of thoes pics....... The girl from Kameo looks like she'd make a better looking joanna dark then the joanna dark pic does (differntly dressed and minus the wings of course)

will be interesting to see how she ends up tho. cuz i dont think it will be looking like that pic.

[Professor S]

Well if it stays a FPS then it won't really matter that much anyhoo

[Joeiss]

Rare jus totally messed up the whole Perfect Dark franchise with this crappy cartoony look to Joanna.

[Professor S]

LOL!!! Oh yes!! A couple of pictures of concept art that may not even make it into the game ruined an entire franchise!! After all how the main character looks is so important when playing and FPS.:rolleyes:

[Perfect Stu]

Originally posted by Joeiss
Rare jus totally messed up the whole Perfect Dark franchise with this crappy cartoony look to Joanna.

dear god I HOPE you're joking

[BlueFire]

Originally posted by Joeiss
Rare jus totally messed up the whole Perfect Dark franchise with this crappy cartoony look to Joanna. That sounded like some of the impressions when Zelda for the GameCube was revealed. rofl.

[GameKinG]

If you watch the video, J. Dark looks the same as the art, only 3d...

[DeathsHand]

uhh... guys? :unsure:

"As for Perfect Dark, the new character model for Joanna Dark--which can be seen in the trailer that's linked below--is actually the in-game model. Dark's new, more anime-influenced look is what Rare has decided will represent the series moving forward. As for what the series will hold as it continues on the Xbox, the Stampers expressed interest in Xbox Live and what it could offer to the multiplayer components of an upcoming Perfect Dark game."

http://gamespot.com/gamespot/stories/news/0,10870,2881605,00.html

O.o

I wonder what the rest of the game will look like... Cartoony, or maybe just with cartoony models or something? O.o

[Null]

only thing im wondering about.. is if the whole game is cartoony.....

i thought perfect dark was supposed to have that dark feeling to it? Can a cartoonish looking game give you that same feeling?

[GameKinG]

Gamespot also posted a story stating it would look like this..

Anyway, yes, thats my main concern. The old J.D., while maybe not as pretty, what a little less anime and a little more edge. That cold feeling of the realistic one from the demo a few years back is really what made the chachter to me...

[Professor S]

I find it funny that Nintendo fans are complaining about a game looking "too cartoony". Oh what a tangled web we weave...

[GameKinG]

What is that suppose to mean? PD is not really SUPPOSE to be cartoony. At least, I would have less expectaions.

Unlike games such as Zelda, which probably wount change much no matter how you put it...

[Professor S]

What its supposed to mean is that Nintendo fans are now trying to find anything to complain about when it comes to Rare games in a futile effort to convince themselves that they won't miss Rare as a developer.

I won't even quote the numerous examples of this that are on this thread and on this entire site. Its become quite obvious and my BS meter has broken because of it.

Thats what that means.

[TheGame]

Originally posted by GameKinG
What is that suppose to mean? PD is not really SUPPOSE to be cartoony. At least, I would have less expectaions.

Unlike games such as Zelda, which probably wount change much no matter how you put it...

Yeah, and Zelda had plenty of bright colors and cartoony looks on N64... ;)

IMO, neither game is kiddy, neither game is supposed to be bright or Cartoony. I jumped on Zelda's back when I saw videos of it in action... just like I will jump on PD's back if the whole game is cartooned down.

I doubt it will be that bad though, Joanna will be younger, yes, meaning she will need a new design. But I doubt the whole game will turn cartoonish. Even it it were, I'd stil buy it, just like I'm still going to buy Zelda.

[TheGame]

Originally posted by The Strangler
What its supposed to mean is that Nintendo fans are now trying to find anything to complain about when it comes to Rare games in a futile effort to convince themselves that they won't miss Rare as a developer.

I won't even quote the numerous examples of this that are on this thread and on this entire site. Its become quite obvious and my BS meter has broken because of it.

Thats what that means.

I hafta agree...

I wish GT never had those forum resets (2)... I would just search for the word Rare, and see how opinions have changed... Hell, I tried it, and I found more then enough examples to make a thread bashing the peeps who suddenly started to hate Rare...

I won't do that though, to save GT from any more drama, but if this Rare bashing continues there isn't much of a choice.

[DeathsHand]

For all we know, the rest of the game might look fairly realistic... I mean at least it's not gonna be as cartoony as Zelda on NGC... which, BTW, Nintendo fans said was "NOT SUPPOZED TO BE CARTOONIE!11!" when it was first revealed, now it seems like a majority has accepted it and thinks it looks nice (It is some dern good cel-shadin', lemme tell you ^-^ )...

As for Perfect Dark... it's not SUPPOSED to not be cartoony and realistic... I mean, look at Elvis... he looked/sounded like something you'd see in some kind of cartoon :sneaky:

But yeah uhh... I could see how a slight cartoon touch could not be a negative thing for PD... although I think if they ever made it something like Zelda (which I doubt they will :p ) that could be kinda... weird... :hmm:

[BlueFire]

This Nintendo Fans generalization is getting stupider..


:unsure:

[DeathsHand]

Originally posted by BLueFire
This Nintendo Fans generalization is getting stupider..


:unsure:

Ok I know, I'll just search through a bunch of forums to find the topics where people said certain things and point them out, and each time someone does something like that, I'll search for when they said what I think they said before...

Would you like to help me do this?

I doubt it...

When people say "Nintendo fans" normally they mean the people who DID say what they said...

If I meant ALL Nintendo fans, I'd say ALL Nintendo fans...

which, BTW, Nintendo fans said was "NOT SUPPOZED TO BE CARTOONIE!11!" when it was first revealed

Because some Nintendo fans DID say that...

Should I put some in front of Nintendo fans everytime I use it? Does it even matter? Can't you figure out what I mean on your own? :-o

[Professor S]

I used the "Nintendo Fans" generalization because I have seen more Nintendo Fans than not acting in the immature way i described. So I'll amend it to "most Nintendo Fans". Happy?

[bobcat]

Originally posted by The Strangler
I find it funny that Nintendo fans are complaining about a game looking "too cartoony". Oh what a tangled web we weave...

I'm a Nintendo fan and I'm not complaining. I like it

*rereads above post*

oh...... :unsure:

[Perfect Stu]

people like GameKinG shouldn't even be in the XBox forum, because they couldn't care less about it. he obviously came here to put down Perfect Dark in some way or another, which is easy to do now that it's on the XBox...I'm sure all Nintendo fans would "fall in love" with the new look, just like almost all did with Zelda's new look if the game was for Gamecube.

I wish I was wrong...but that's what I see

[Bond]

Originally posted by Perfect Stu
I'm sure all Nintendo fans would "fall in love" with the new look, just like almost all did with Zelda's new look if the game was for Gamecube.
Hey! I was just about to say that... I guess there is no need to now though.

What is that suppose to mean? PD is not really SUPPOSE to be cartoony. At least, I would have less expectaions
How do you know it was not 'supposed' to be cartoony?

[Joeiss]

I still stick with my point. I really do think that the Perfect Dark franchise is messed up because of this decission. I mean, Perfect Dark was amazing (to me, anyways) because the graphics were amazing, and everybody looked life-like. There is no doubt in my mind that the online multiplayer will be AMAZING, but I don't like this whole cartoony thing. And when I played PD for N64, I thought it was sweet because it was like I was an agent in the future and stuff... I just can't see that bringing me the same feeling as a cartoon.

[GameKinG]

Zelda was nevet SUPPOSE to be realistic. I didnt complain about zelda when I saw it on N64, because It looked like it had before, just 3D, and even a little more realistic.

Im not trying to discriminate against this game and it cartoon style, I am a cube fan after all. I just have a few doubts this game will feel the same with that bit of cartoon flare.

For all we know it may be as good as PD...

[Angrist]

Joeiss, how can you say that Perfect Dark is messed up, just by seeing those few pics (and perhaps the trailer)??? :rolleyes:

I'd prefer the realistic look instead of the 'standerd smiling action babe' look...

[Professor S]

Originally posted by Joeiss
I still stick with my point. I really do think that the Perfect Dark franchise is messed up because of this decission. I mean, Perfect Dark was amazing (to me, anyways) because the graphics were amazing, and everybody looked life-like. There is no doubt in my mind that the online multiplayer will be AMAZING, but I don't like this whole cartoony thing. And when I played PD for N64, I thought it was sweet because it was like I was an agent in the future and stuff... I just can't see that bringing me the same feeling as a cartoon.

I'll stick with my point, which actually makes sense. You think that Perfect Dark is "messed up" because its on the XBox. You've seen a couple of pictures and maybe a trailer, and now you think that Perfect Dark is worthless. Your opinion have nothing to do with the game, and everything to do with the console that game is on. C'mon... just admit it... you know you want to...

[GameKinG]

For all we know, shes the only thing thats less relaisitic...

Even though, that could look odd, but then again, anything can happen.

[Joeiss]

Originally posted by Angrist
Joeiss, how can you say that Perfect Dark is messed up, just by seeing those few pics (and perhaps the trailer)??? :rolleyes:

Did you read my second post? The orignal Perfect Dark was so good, IMO, because it was realistic and it made me think that I was actually an agent in the future. I really cannot see this game having the same feel with it being a cartoon.

Originally posted by The Strangler
I'll stick with my point, which actually makes sense. You think that Perfect Dark is "messed up" because its on the XBox. You've seen a couple of pictures and maybe a trailer, and now you think that Perfect Dark is worthless. Your opinion have nothing to do with the game, and everything to do with the console that game is on. C'mon... just admit it... you know you want to...

I do not think that Perfect Dark is "messed up" just because it is on the Xbox. I think I can safely assume from this comment that you think that I am a Nintendo fanboy. Well, I've got news for you. I do not even own a GCN, and I really do not care what system Rare makes games for because I never had the chance to play them on the PS2, and I never thought I was going to, and now I cannot once again. This new Perfect Dark game will be totally worthless to me. I think that the cartoon look is absolutely horrible. I like realism in games, and the original gave me a great sence of it. I did not expect any less from the sequal, but now it will be more crap, which is why I am mad.

There is no doubt in my mind that this game will sell millions of copies. There is no doubt in my mind that this game will have an outstanding multiplayer (both online or offline). And there is no doubt in my mind that the single player mode will be great. But they messed up on my favourite part of the game : the realism. This is why I think that the game should just rot in hell.

[TheGame]

umm.....

C'Mon now Joeiss

You think that cartony pic is how the game will look?

From what I heard, that's just the model, concept art of the model the game will use. There could be cartoony pics of the old Joanna, but does that mean that's how she will 100% look in the game? No

Don't sell it off as crap this fast, please.

[Joeiss]

The game better not look like the friggin cartoon.

[Null]

Didnt DH already post a quote from them saying that that infact is the real in game model the game will use? and will be the new cartoony look for Dark rare is taking the game.?


or if thats not what you meant *shrugs*
as strangler already said. if its first person. it wouldnt really matter what the hell SHE looks like.

[GameKinG]

If you watch the video, J.D looks just like that! Stamper Brothers has also confirmed this.

[Joeiss]

The enemies will most likely be cartoon, since Joanna is a cartoon, thus eliminating the realism, IMO.

[Bond]

Could you guys please stop jumping to conclusions like you asked us to on the whole Rare topic? :D

[Professor S]

Originally posted by Joeiss




I do not think that Perfect Dark is "messed up" just because it is on the Xbox. I think I can safely assume from this comment that you think that I am a Nintendo fanboy. Well, I've got news for you. I do not even own a GCN, and I really do not care what system Rare makes games for because I never had the chance to play them on the PS2, and I never thought I was going to, and now I cannot once again.

Where did I say I thought you were a Nintendo fanboy? I think you dislike the XBox, as other posts you have made in the past support, and are using this little bit of information as ammo.

I have an idea!

Why don't we actually see what the game is like before we make opinions about it? Gee, that sounds almost logical.

[Perfect Stu]

Originally posted by The Strangler
Where did I say I thought you were a Nintendo fanboy? I think you dislike the XBox, as other posts you have made in the past support, and are using this little bit of information as ammo.

I have an idea!

Why don't we actually see what the game is like before we make opinions about it? Gee, that sounds almost logical.

aw, shucks strangler...now I can't assume it will be the second coming until it's actually RELEASED?

what a rip off... :(

[TheGame]

Originally posted by Perfect Stu
aw, shucks strangler...now I can't assume it will be the second coming until it's actually RELEASED?

what a rip off... :(

:lol:

Not to change the subject (;)) but...

I find it funny that when MS bought Rare Nintendo fans tried to make it sound as bad as possible... then when Nintendo funds some new no-name development houses thier games are all hyped up, and it's "OK" to predict that they are the second coming

[Bond]

Originally posted by GameKinG
Lil' more cartoonish then I though it would be, since the old PD0 demo was really good. But, meh, at least its not cel shaded...yet...
But wait! If Perfect Dark Zero turned cel shaded like the new Zelda look that would be great!

Oh wait... it wasn't 'supposed' to look like that, I'm sorry. Or was it not supposed to be on the Xbox too?

[Joeiss]

Originally posted by Perfect Stu
aw, shucks strangler...now I can't assume it will be the second coming until it's actually RELEASED?

what a rip off... :(


LOL.

[Mechadragon]

I'm one of the few people that never played Perfect Dark. *everyone gasps* But, I didn't want to buy an expansion pack! *everyone gasps again and calls him a moron*

Anyway, I don't think FPS's shouldn't be cartoons. Its very weird... But then again we don't know IF the next Perfect Dark game is an FPS do we?

[Classic Rocker]

Most likey the next PD is a FPS but if it isnt it will surely surprise me.

[CrOnO_LiNk]

Originally posted by Mechadragon
I'm one of the few people that never played Perfect Dark. *everyone gasps* But, I didn't want to buy an expansion pack! *everyone gasps again and calls him a moron*

Anyway, I don't think FPS's shouldn't be cartoons. Its very weird... But then again we don't know IF the next Perfect Dark game is an FPS do we?

I never played Perfect Dark and I always had a expansion pack... I was mostly interested in RPG's back then.

[Bond]

Originally posted by Mechadragon
I'm one of the few people that never played Perfect Dark. *everyone gasps* But, I didn't want to buy an expansion pack! *everyone gasps again and calls him a moron*

Anyway, I don't think FPS's shouldn't be cartoons. Its very weird... But then again we don't know IF the next Perfect Dark game is an FPS do we?
Well, we don't know for sure, but it's pretty much assumed. Although you never know.