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DarkMaster
09-24-2002, 12:45 PM
Closing Comments-
Star Fox Adventures arrives as a truly excellent 3D action-adventure for GameCube owners. It's a clear Zelda rip, and not quite as good, but that's okay in my book as Rare has still done a pretty good job of it. There's lots of exploration to be had, character building elements, fun puzzles and not so fun puzzles, and some amazingly beautiful worlds to see and visit. Rare's technology is practically unparalleled.
Whether or not this needed to be a Star Fox game is debatable. The license seems to have been applied at the last hour and though there are a few interesting additions in this regard, the majority of the game deals with prehistoric happenings and magic. The flight missions come as more of an afterthought than anything else.

This is also one of the longest, more difficult games available for Nintendo's console, which is something of a relief for me and I'm sure for countless other players looking for something deeper than usual.

Highly recommended.

-- Matt Casamassina


Presentation-
Is this Dinosaur Planet or Star Fox? We're not exactly sure. 5.0

Graphics-
Outstanding. From model construction to texture detail, animation, world building and more, this game looks beautiful. Only a few marks in framerate and textures drop it down. 9.0

Sound-
Amazingly well done. Solidly composed music mixes with top voice acting, though it is a bit over the top. 9.0

Gameplay-
Zelda with a Fox. Some of the puzzles are challenging and satisfying and others are either too easy or too disorienting. A very long quest. 8.0

Lasting Appeal-
The quest is absolutely huge the first time through and there are some secrets worth checking out a second time, but this type of title by nature is best played once. 7.0

OVERALL SCORE (not an average) 9.0

i would post the whole review....but you know, i'm lazy, so meh. sounds good though, if i had money and time i would get it, but kingdom hearts has taken away both right now.

Crono
09-24-2002, 01:02 PM
hmm...I was expecting it to be a bit higher than that..at least a 9.3...but, meh.

TheGame
09-24-2002, 01:11 PM
Originally posted by Crono
hmm...I was expecting it to be a bit higher than that..at least a 9.3...but, meh.

The game would have been a killer app... had they not tossed Star Fox in this game for no reason. Nintendo's great minds at work... destroying a great concept by Rare.

I guess Nintendo thinks noting can sell if it doesn't have an old Nintendo franchise face on it.

Crono
09-24-2002, 01:18 PM
Originally posted by TheGame
The game would have been a killer app... had they not tossed Star Fox in this game for no reason. Nintendo's great minds at work... destroying a great concept by Rare.

I guess Nintendo thinks noting can sell if it doesn't have an old Nintendo franchise face on it.

I agree, I thought that old main character from before looked cooler than Fox..but, like you said, Nintendo prolly thought they it would sell better with Fox in it

Null
09-24-2002, 04:11 PM
Originally posted by TheGame
The game would have been a killer app... had they not tossed Star Fox in this game for no reason. Nintendo's great minds at work... destroying a great concept by Rare.

I guess Nintendo thinks noting can sell if it doesn't have an old Nintendo franchise face on it.


Where'd you get the version without starfox in it? I'd like to try it out too.


:)

TheGame
09-24-2002, 04:45 PM
Originally posted by Null
Where'd you get the version without starfox in it? I'd like to try it out too.


:)

I'd like to try it too ;)

It was canned for n64. HUGE delay and addition of Star Fox... apparently it makes no sense to have the Fox as the main charicter... that's why it got a 5.0 in presentation.

DarkMaster
09-24-2002, 04:52 PM
its true though, the game will be a lot more recognizable with the name Star Fox Adventures instead of Dinosaur Planet. IGN said there really is nothing in the game that has to do with Star Fox besides some of the characters and a few Arwing levels. this is my theory, in exchange for allowing rare to use the zelda esque like battling nintendo made them use Star Fox in the game.

Null
09-24-2002, 05:10 PM
Originally posted by TheGame
I'd like to try it too ;)

It was canned for n64. HUGE delay and addition of Star Fox... apparently it makes no sense to have the Fox as the main charicter... that's why it got a 5.0 in presentation.


hehe, i know this. my point was you have no idea what the game woulda ended up like before. it coulda been exactly the same with differnent looking characters.


so far tho im really enjoying this game.

No sign of anything from starfox yet tho.

*continues playing*

GameMaster
09-24-2002, 06:35 PM
Originally posted by Crono
hmm...I was expecting it to be a bit higher than that..at least a 9.3...but, meh.

I actually ecpected it to be lower. This was going to be a very big game originally, but the fuse burned out and they randomly selected a popular character to try resurrect it's success. Mission failed; as far as I'm concerned.

gekko
09-24-2002, 07:34 PM
I decided to get this game. Free Fox bobblehead :D

Jason1
09-24-2002, 08:16 PM
My brother will be getting the game for his birthday, which unfortunately is not until October 26th.


But when that day comes I will enjoy Rare's first and last game on the gamecube.

Professor S
09-25-2002, 08:39 AM
Does anyone else thnk that Nintendo put Starfox in this game so that they could make sure they retained the rights to it if Rare went Multi-Console or was bought by another comapany? After all, Rare was basically open to do so for over a year now...

Perfect Stu
09-25-2002, 09:33 AM
Originally posted by The Strangler
Does anyone else thnk that Nintendo put Starfox in this game so that they could make sure they retained the rights to it if Rare went Multi-Console or was bought by another comapany? After all, Rare was basically open to do so for over a year now...

definately not...

Nintendo owned the rights to this game 100% before this game...Rare would have had no chance of taking the rights to StarFox...if anything, they gave them a slight chance of stealing the rights by lending the franchise to them for this game...

and how does a game that gets 5.0 in presentation, 8.0 in gameplay, and 7.0 is lasting appeal receive a 9.0 overall? that's crap...cube.ign.com did that with SMS as well...

Null
09-25-2002, 10:17 AM
Originally posted by Perfect Stu
definately not...

Nintendo owned the rights to this game 100% before this game...Rare would have had no chance of taking the rights to StarFox...if anything, they gave them a slight chance of stealing the rights by lending the franchise to them for this game...

and how does a game that gets 5.0 in presentation, 8.0 in gameplay, and 7.0 is lasting appeal receive a 9.0 overall? that's crap...cube.ign.com did that with SMS as well...

i think he meant nintendo put starfox in dinosaur planet so nintendo would have the game if rare went mulitplatform. nintendo taking dinosaur planet............. not rare taking starfox.


And IGN does that with all thier ratings. If you just look at thier over all score. they're usually not too bad. They tend to be sarcastic with thier other scores.......... thats why the overall is not an average and doesnt take the other scores into effect.

Only scores i trust anymore are EGM scores.

TheGame
09-25-2002, 11:05 AM
Originally posted by Perfect Stu
definately not...

Nintendo owned the rights to this game 100% before this game...Rare would have had no chance of taking the rights to StarFox...if anything, they gave them a slight chance of stealing the rights by lending the franchise to them for this game...

Hmm... this responce makes no sense to his question...

Before it was "Star Fox Adventures" it was just "Dinosaur Planet"

He's asking if we think Nintendo changed it to SFA so they can keep the rights to it instead of risking losing "Dinosaur Planet" to Xbox...

I'm pretty sure that they did do that... Nintendo had to be planning to sell Rare for a while now.

and how does a game that gets 5.0 in presentation, 8.0 in gameplay, and 7.0 is lasting appeal receive a 9.0 overall? that's crap...cube.ign.com did that with SMS as well...

I agree... it averaged 7.25 and pulled off a 9.0

Null
09-25-2002, 11:39 AM
OVERALL SCORE (not an average) 9.0


they've always done that (i dont nessisarily agree with thier system.

but they use the other catagories to get a bit sarcastic. and get a bit carried away in thoes ratings.

Perfect Stu
09-25-2002, 02:42 PM
I agree Null...

if it were an average, it would have received a 7.6...but since gamecube fans (at least the ones at IGN.com...they were saying stuff like "if it gets less than a 9.3 I'll be apalled") love to see high scores, they give the game as hyped as SFA at least a 9. It's sad, really...

SMS was another example of this...

Null
09-25-2002, 03:00 PM
not just gamecube. IGN rates pc/xbox/ps2 games that way also.

i never liked thier scoring system. i think KH got a 7 in game play and ended up with a high score. not a perfect example just a recent one i can think of. they've always done that.

Professor S
09-25-2002, 03:05 PM
Originally posted by Perfect Stu
Nintendo owned the rights to this game 100% before this game...Rare would have had no chance of taking the rights to StarFox...if anything, they gave them a slight chance of stealing the rights by lending the franchise to them for this game...


Here's the real deal according to the US Governments Trademark Database:


Word Mark DINOSAUR PLANET
Goods and Services IC 009. US 021 023 026 036 038. G & S: Electronic interactive video game programs; video game software; computer game software; video game cartridges; and video game discs; video games machines for use with televisions
IC 028. US 022 023 038 050. G & S: Toys, namely, toy action figures, articulated and non-articulated dolls, toy figures, bath-toys, bendable toys, dolls, toy stuffed animals, toy plush and cloth animals, plush dolls, puppets, coin-operated video games and pinball amusement apparatus, electric board games, electronic toys with a clock or timepiece feature, arcade games, hand-held pinball games, hand-held tabletop units for playing electronic games, hand-held units for electronic games, nonelectronic hand-held action skill games, skill and action games, stand alone video game machines, hand-held units with a visual display for playing electronic games that simulate a pet, decorative windsocks, board games, equipment sold as a unit for playing board games, card games, carrying cases for toys, kites, jigsaw puzzles, cube puzzles, manipulative puzzles, toy balloons, toy banks, toy binoculars, toy robots, toy vehicles, windup toys, and yo-yos

Mark Drawing Code (1) TYPED DRAWING
Serial Number 75479235
Filing Date May 4, 1998
Filed ITU FILED AS ITU
Published for Opposition June 27, 2000
Owner (APPLICANT) Rare Limited LIMITED COMPANY UNITED KINGDOM Manor Farmhouse, Church Street Twycross, Warwickshire ENGLAND CV9 3PJ
Attorney of Record JERALD E NAGAE
Disclaimer NO CLAIM IS MADE TO THE EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO USE "DINOSAUR" APART FROM THE MARK AS SHOWN
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE

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