Feel the atmoshpere in Metroid Prime: new pics.

[Angrist]

http://www.cube-europe.com/newsgfx/metroid/13.jpg

http://www.cube-europe.com/newsgfx/metroid/19.jpg

http://www.cube-europe.com/newsgfx/metroid/20.jpg

http://www.cube-europe.com/newsgfx/metroid/8.jpg

http://www.cube-europe.com/newsgfx/metroid/18.jpg

http://www.cube-europe.com/newsgfx/metroid/10.jpg

Now THAT really looks good!!! :eek:
Retro Studios is doing a great job. :D

[bobcat]

Can't wait for this!

People are calling it the Halo killer. But it's a FPA, not FPS.

Plus I think Halo was way overhyped to begin with :unsure:

I never played Metroid much, but I like the concept behind the character.

[DarkMaster]

i never really cared for FPS games, but this one looks different. more fun and adventuring, i think i shall buy!

[Angrist]

I don't think there are many games that you can compare this with. It has the atmosphere of Aliens vs Predator (play it!!! great game!!), the graphics of Halo (?) and the adventure of.... well, Metroid! :D

Especially the rain looks great!

[Angrist]

IGN's thoughts:

"Fabulous. Amazing. Outstanding. Phenomenal. Wow. Any of these words sum up the latest four levels in Metroid Prime. Before E3 2002 we had our doubts about Metroid Prime as a whole. After the show, we had our doubts that other levels would be as solid as the first demo. Now, we have no doubts. This game kicks our collective ass. It's stunningly beautiful, clever, innovative, and most of all fun. It'll remind players why they've always loved the Metroid franchise and at the same time blow away newcomers with its style, theme and play mechanics. This is Nintendo's flagship title."

Can't wait!! :D

[TheGame]

Originally posted by bobcat
Plus I think Halo was way overhyped to begin with :unsure:

Overhyped?

Hype has nothing to do with Halo... I din't know/care about Halo until it was released, so I never really saw the hype. Plus, when it was released, it got great scores from everywhere, so apparently it lived up to the hype.

In my opinion, Metroid is the best example of a game being overhyped. Some people act as if this game will flip the whole industry... but I can see lots of games I think will be better than Metriod.

Oh, and I doubt a FPA will beat out (probably) the best home console FPS of all time. It doesn't even have multi-player... and for a first person game that's usually a big no-no.

Everybody is entitled to thier opinion, but I seriously think this game will not live up to the hype.

[Bond]

Originally posted by bobcat
Plus I think Halo was way overhyped to begin with :unsure:

Well, Luigi's Mansion was overhyped but I don't see anyone commenting on that.

Halo was the most hyped Xbox launch title, but a lot of the hype came from the fans, not so much Microsoft or Bungie.

[TheGame]

Originally posted by Bond

Well, Luigi's Mansion was overhyped but I don't see anyone commenting on that.

Exactly.. how was LM the best selling launch game of all time??? Best selling, but certainly not the best game.

[Null]

Originally posted by TheGame
Oh, and I doubt a FPA will beat out (probably) the best home console FPS of all time.


its an FPS.

i dont know who started this FPA crap. but all that was, was to get people off thier back about changing metroid into a FPS. So they're all like. ohhh FPA, well thats alight then. just as long as its not FPS.


no, Its in first person, you shoot things, its an FPS. does that mean games like turok, halo, bond or anything else doesnt have an adventure?

[TheGame]

Originally posted by Null



its an FPS.

i dont know who started this FPA crap. but all that was, was to get people off thier back about changing metroid into a FPS. So they're all like. ohhh FPA, well thats alight then. just as long as its not FPS.


no, Its in first person, you shoot things, its an FPS. does that mean games like turok, halo, bond or anything else doesnt have an adventure?

acctually, it doesn't. Bond/Halo are more like Action games, while Metroid is an Adventure game. I'd much rather Metroid be a FPS, but it's not.

[GameKinG]

I havent really heard much from nintendo an retro about metroid except that they think it will be a fun experience and a great game. Much like it was for halo. The fans of XBox were going nuts when it came closer to launch, much like it is for metroid.

[Null]

Originally posted by TheGame


acctually, it doesn't. Bond/Halo are more like Action games, while Metroid is an Adventure game. I'd much rather Metroid be a FPS, but it's not.


Halo, walk around in first person. shoot the enemy


Metroid, walk around in first person, shoot the enemy

from what i seen so far, id say halo was more of a quote unquote adventure, it was oudoor more wide open. from what i seen of Metroid its more indoor, down hallways and stuff.

be however technical you want about this. saying ones action, ones adventure. go thro your rules of what makes what different. Both your exploring worlds or levels or what not, shooting the bad guy. both are FPS. obviously you do differnt things in each of thoes two FPS. but same with every FPS, you do differnt things, you going to give a differnt name for every one? say one was a horror game, dark, mysterous, kinda look doom meets Resident Evil............... in first person.

oh wait. that must be a FPH then. :rolleyes:

[GameKinG]

Well metroid is more exploration the shooting. It even has auto-aim. They probably would make you shoot much had samus never originaly have a gun.

[TheGame]

Originally posted by Null



Halo, walk around in first person. shoot the enemy


Metroid, walk around in first person, shoot the enemy

By your logic, Metroid for SNES is a 3rd person Shooter... but due to the fact that it lacks action like that, it's an Adventure game.

is Metroid an RPG because you play the Role of Samus? Is it a fighting game because you fight enymys?

in the words of Macho Man "What it is, is what it is" and what it is, is an Adventure game... just because the camera is in 1st person it doesn't make it a FPS. Because it's not a shooting game to begin with. Halo you run around to shot and kill, Goldeneye you run around to shoot and kill, and in metroid you are exploring.

if Halo was in third person... you run around to shoot and kill, if Goldeneye was in this person.... you run around to shoot and kill.... if Metroid were in third person (which it was) you are still just exploring.

is Metal Gear Solid a shooting game just because you can use a gun? No, it's a lot more than that, same with Metroid.

[Null]

pretty lame side of an argument.

your talking about games that already have a catagory.

not taking a game thats obviously in one catagory, and making up a whole new catagory for it just to make it sound differnt.


your going around, collecting differnt types of weapons. shooting the enemys, how is that differnt from any other fps? because it has differnt elements mixed in with it.. oh boy. guess we better put it in a catagory all its own. lacks action? from what i seen it has just as much action as any other fps.

yanno what? i dont think mario is a platformer. i think from now on its going to be a platform water squirter, cuz yanno. other platforms dont have water squirters.

...

instead of trying to complicate things, making tons of catagories to seperate things from one another, adding on more and more catagories. why not just call them for what they are? platformer, fps, sim, sports, etc. Why must there be new catagories made up? i mean seriously... FPA ?

[TheGame]

Originally posted by Null
pretty lame side of an argument.

your talking about games that already have a catagory.

not taking a game thats obviously in one catagory, and making up a whole new catagory for it just to make it sound differnt.


your going around, collecting differnt types of weapons. shooting the enemys, how is that differnt from any other fps? because it has differnt elements mixed in with it.. oh boy. guess we better put it in a catagory all its own. lacks action? from what i seen it has just as much action as any other fps.

yanno what? i dont think mario is a platformer. i think from now on its going to be a platform water squirter, cuz yanno. other platforms dont have water squirters.

...

instead of trying to complicate things, making tons of catagories to seperate things from one another, adding on more and more catagories. why not just call them for what they are? platformer, fps, sim, sports, etc. Why must there be new catagories made up? i mean seriously... FPA ?

you know what's funny... IT STILL WOULDN'T BE CLASSIFIED AS A FIRST PERSON SHOOTER

Walk yourself over to www.nintendo.com and look what genre it's listed as... yes... Adventure... it's an Adventure game so no matter what you call the genre it's an Adventure... and the game is in first person... is it not?

That's where the name FPA came into play... it's NOT a FPS... it's an Adventure game (www.nintendo.com) that is in first person.

so check for yourself, then know your role

[Null]

Originally posted by TheGame


you know what's funny... IT STILL WOULDN'T BE CLASSIFIED AS A FIRST PERSON SHOOTER

Walk yourself over to www.nintendo.com and look what genre it's listed as... yes... Adventure... it's an Adventure game so no matter what you call the genre it's an Adventure... and the game is in first person... is it not?

That's where the name FPA came into play... it's NOT a FPS... it's an Adventure game (www.nintendo.com) that is in first person.

so check for yourself, then know your role


I thought i mentioned this in like the first part of this argument. I said they were calling it something differnt to get people OFF THIER BACKS. cuz people were complaining.

They're making the game, they could call it a freaking sports game if they want. If metroid had no guns, and he WASNT walking around not trying to hunt down enemys id see your point. thing is the thing that has ALWAYS classified a FPS, were 2 thigns. first person. and shooter. i mean its in the name. im not arguing what its being named by nintendo. your dead on there, always have been, I'm arguing whether its right to call it that. and from what i seen its not. I see an adventure in Halo, i see an adventure in many other FPS, doesnt mean they're not FPS.


And to be honest, i COULD live with it being called adventure, (still wouldnt think its correct) but i dont like FPA, making a new catagory or name for the style when the style seems to be nothing we havnt seen before. it may have orriginal cocepts. may be a kick ass game. who knows.

[Null]

And hell, EGM lists it as an Action game.


*shrug*


(sorry bout the double post)

[TheGame]

Originally posted by Null



I thought i mentioned this in like the first part of this argument. I said they were calling it something differnt to get people OFF THIER BACKS. cuz people were complaining.

People weren't complaining, they were confused. It is an Adventure game just in 3rd person... it doesn't have to be considerd a new genre, it's just an Adventure in 1st person.

like a 3rd person adventure... it doesn't need to be called a TPA because people already know it's an adventure game... any game in first person, guns or not, is assumed to be a FPS... but Metroid is not. Metroid is an Adventure game... that's in first person.

They're making the game, they could call it a freaking sports game if they want. If metroid had no guns, and he WASNT walking around not trying to hunt down enemys id see your point. thing is the thing that has ALWAYS classified a FPS, were 2 thigns. first person. and shooter.

Samus's main goal is to hunt down and kill everything she sees? Every game on the market that isn't a puzzle game is a RPG, because you are playing the role of a person you take over. But does that mean everything should be called an RPG?

i mean its in the name. im not arguing what its being named by nintendo. your dead on there, always have been, I'm arguing whether its right to call it that. and from what i seen its not. I see an adventure in Halo, i see an adventure in many other FPS, doesnt mean they're not FPS.

Do you know the difference between an Action and an Adventure game???

And to be honest, i COULD live with it being called adventure, (still wouldnt think its correct) but i dont like FPA, making a new catagory or name for the style when the style seems to be nothing we havnt seen before. it may have orriginal cocepts. may be a kick ass game. who knows.

Metroid is an Adventure game, if you like it or not... the term FPA was used to explain what it is. It isn't a genre, the "A" in FPA is the genre, the "FP" is just the camera view. A FPS gets it's own genre because a "Shooter" uses those guns that you shoot at the screen with.

[TheGame]

Originally posted by Null
And hell, EGM lists it as an Action game.


*shrug*


(sorry bout the double post)

and Nintendo makes the game...

[Null]

Originally posted by TheGame


and Nintendo makes the game...

and as i stated, they can therefor call it whatever they like.


So if they call metroid a sports game? you just going to swallow it and agree with them?


When metroid first game out, they called it an FPS, straight from retro, the people who are REALLY making it.

people whined thier heads off, even here, or was it ndose? which ever it was at that time i remember people posting like Aw man, i dont want another FPS, theres already plenty of FPS, i want a real metroid game.

nintendo then came out and stated it was an adventure, ah well, just a coinsadence i guess.


And as i said. Adventure isnt as bad. at least its a real genre,


And im still not seeing where your pointing out the difference between this and other FPS. only diff i see you pointing out is nintendo says this and that.

[TheGame]

Originally posted by Null


and as i stated, they can therefor call it whatever they like.


So if they call metroid a sports game? you just going to swallow it and agree with them?

Nintendo wouldn't call it a sports game because it isn't a sports game. They call it an Adventure game because it is an Adventure game. There can't be an "if they called it a sports game" because they didn't.

When metroid first game out, they called it an FPS, straight from retro, the people who are REALLY making it.

Nintendo has so many people pimping them in that office that wouldn't give any credit to retro.

people whined thier heads off, even here, or was it ndose? which ever it was at that time i remember people posting like Aw man, i dont want another FPS, theres already plenty of FPS, i want a real metroid game.

I don't remember this at GT or Nintendose


And as i said. Adventure isnt as bad. at least its a real genre,

FPA isn't a real genre, like I said in my last post... it's just like a MMORPG, the base of the game is an Adventure... it's just in first person... like the base of an MMORPG is an RPG, it's just Massive Multi-player online


And im still not seeing where your pointing out the difference between this and other FPS. only diff i see you pointing out is nintendo says this and that.

Because you are blind?

The difference between this game and FPS is that this isn't a shooter... it's an Adventure. If a game is in first person (only part of the time), and a guy has a gun, it automatically makes it a FPS? I guess MGS2 is a FPS too then...

[Bond]

How about we have a quick break and then Round #2 will start in a few hours alright guys? That is unless you go on strike...

[Null]

hey, i have an idea. lets spilt up every thing i wrote into little bits then try to pick it apart, hey that wont get annoying!




only really read the last line. soo.. Are YOU blind? you keep repeating the same thing over and over. son, what makes the game an adventure? you didnt answer it. all you said was ones and fps and ones and adventure.

gee thanks wally, i get it now. :rolleyes:

how is this not a shooter? got a gun, shoot enemys.

so it has a goal. what fps doesnt? halo isnt just running around killing random things. it has a goal. goldeneye, perfect dark. they all have goals.



I tell ya what. why dont ya just wait and play it when it comes out. cuz i garendamtee ya that all thro the game you will be feeling like your playin an fps, not an adventure. oh but wait. nintendo said so that it wasnt. oh my.

[Null]

Originally posted by Bond
How about we have a quick break and then Round #2 will start in a few hours alright guys? That is unless you go on strike...


hehe. i figured we were on round 3 by now.

sides, im bored, wiating for people to get online so i can play them at nhl2002.

[GameKinG]

In order for it to be a FPS it has to be a shooter. Now call it whatever you will, but it isnt a shooter. You do shoot in it. But you also shoot in ED, and is not a shooter. Call it what you will, just not a shooter. Or something like a puzzle...you know...

FPA is its description, not a new genre that was created. FPS is classified under shooter. Consider FPA under adventure.

[Shadow_Link]

For god sake... Null, maybe if you actually played the demo at E3 you would understand why it isn't just an FPS...

The game isn't an out and out shooter, therwise the controlls would be different. In fact, Retro put auto aim into the game, now what 'real' FPS has auto-aim as standard without an option to turn it off?

Read the impressions from people who have played the game, they say it is reminiscent of the old metroid games, which meas adventure plays an important role in the game, even more so than shooting.

By your logic, Eternal darkness is the same genre as crash bandicoot, because they are both in 3rd person...:rolleyes:

[Null]

i've read plenty of impressions about it. all talking about the ACTION in it.


now this is getting a bit differnt cuz Game in the middle of the argument changed what he was arguing about.

first he was dead set on FPA. then after visiting nintendos site he says just plain adventure.

I have no problem with adventure.

But if you dont think the game is a shooter your fooling yourself. What will be going thro your mind when your playing? surely not la la la, i'll skip over and do this puzzle, then back to do the other. no, its going to be SHOOT THAT GUY! kiLL HIM!@

[Shadow_Link]

Originally posted by Null
i've read plenty of impressions about it. all talking about the ACTION in it.


now this is getting a bit differnt cuz Game in the middle of the argument changed what he was arguing about.

first he was dead set on FPA. then after visiting nintendos site he says just plain adventure.

I have no problem with adventure.

But if you dont think the game is a shooter your fooling yourself. What will be going thro your mind when your playing? surely not la la la, i'll skip over and do this puzzle, then back to do the other. no, its going to be SHOOT THAT GUY! kiLL HIM!@

I still don't get your argument. What's the difference between an adventure and a first person adventure? If the game was 2D, it would still have the shooting elements in it, but it's not a plain shooter is it? It's a mix of adventure and shooting, just like the MP will be.

You can't compare Halo to MP. First off the controlls for Halo are more geared towards out and out shooting. Retro have purposefully made the shooting element in Metroid simple, such as aleviatin the task of having to accurately aim, so that the player does not have to concentrate on just that. In Super Metroid, the only reason you would shoot and smaller enemies was to gain energy and ammo. If you had full energy and ammo, you could just avoid a confrontation.

There will be more adventure elements in Metroid than your standard FPS. Such as more jumping, going back and forth in previous areas, exploring areas for secret passages etc...

[Null]

actually the argument never had a point besides that i just didnt like the term FPA. that was pretty much it.


the rest of it was cuz i was bored as hell. was at work. then wanted to play hockey online. but no one was around.

[Jonbo298]

I would call it an FPA. It has FPS elements, but it also has the adventure side. You don't just go through a level shooting everything in sight like PD or Halo(somewhat I think:unsure: ). You have to take things and use them to get to another area. Like the grapple for example. But thats just my opinion. meh

[GameKinG]

If you dont like FPA, call is FPA/A (Action/Adventure in first person)

That should solve the problem.;)

[TheGame]

Originally posted by Jonbo298
I would call it an FPA. It has FPS elements, but it also has the adventure side. You don't just go through a level shooting everything in sight like PD or Halo(somewhat I think:unsure: ). You have to take things and use them to get to another area. Like the grapple for example. But thats just my opinion. meh

Good example... here's a better one:

Null, if Mario Sunshine was in 1st person would it be a FPS because he shoots water? If Zelda was in 1st person would it be a FPS just because he shoots a slingshot and a Bow and Arrow? I think these would fall under FPA, because they are in first person, but obviously not shooters.

[Null]

GameSpot.com

the 74MB preview video of Metroid Prime.


in it it says... And i quote...

"Nintendo is marketing this as kinda a First Person Adventure. But now that we've had a chance to play the game. its more of a First Person Shooter with a unique set of controls"


EXACTLY what i have been saying. you play this game you are not going to be thinking adventure, your going to be thinking shooter.

[Plastic0006]

LOL you guys are like trying to categorize it here are my categories GOOD and BAD then all the games that are good go in the good section and all the games that are bad go in the bad section. See much simpler isnt it?? I'd say metroid is gonna go in the good section i believe everyone else has the same expectations for it?:burger:

[Xantar]

I have to agree with TheGame (:eek: ).

From the impressions I've read, the game does indeed have shooter elements, and if the levels and goals were set up differently, it might be called an FPS. However, Matt Cassamassina said that you can go through entire sections of the game for the first time and never meet any enemies. More than that, the goal is just different. The focus in the game is on exploration and finding gadgets that help you get around. I don't recall Halo placing much emphasis on finding items that let you jump higher and having areas that you specifically could not reach unless you had those items.

I guess we'll never know until we get our grubby hands on the game, but I have the feeling that when I play it, I'm not going to be reminded of Halo.

I also agree with TheGame in that Metroid is not a Halo killer in any way. The comparison is just unfair. The IGNCube editors who keep comparing the two are crazy, but then again, they only do that because people keep writing letters asking for a comparison.

[TheGame]

Originally posted by Null

EXACTLY what i have been saying. you play this game you are not going to be thinking adventure, your going to be thinking shooter.


Maybe I'm going to be thinking "crap"... how do you know what I'm going to think? I have read the previews, and it doesn't sound like a FPS... period.

It may handle like a FPS, but the way the game is set up it isn't a FPS. like my previous example:

if Mario Sunshine was in 1st person would it be a FPS because he shoots water? If Zelda was in 1st person would it be a FPS just because he shoots a slingshot and a Bow and Arrow?

I could care less what Gamespot's or IGN's opinion is... mine is clear, it's an adventure game, Nintendo's is clear, it's an adventure game. Nuff said.

[TheGame]

Originally posted by Xantar
I have to agree with TheGame (:eek: ).

:eek:

I kinda like when you agree with me... makes my arguement stronger

[BreakABone]

*Reads Xantar's and Justin'spost*

They are.. agre..e.. agreeing...:eek:

*Faints*

[Null]

people in gaming business.... who played the game... say FPS...


kid not wanting to be proven wrong, and bringing up pointless facts about other games, not knowing we're talking about THIS GAME, not other games. Says Adventure.


gee golly wally. i dunno. but im gunna have to listen to the person who's played the game.

thanks tho. ;)

[Shadow_Link]

I still don't understand why people keep thinking MP is an out and out FPS... IT ISN'T!

I guarantee you that the people who state that MP is an FPS will also state that the previous metroid games are 3rd person shooters. :rolleyes:

Is that what you think Null, that Super Metroid is an out and out 3rd person shooter? I should think not. And if you don't (hopefully), then you should understand from 'all' the impressons given, that MP not only 'plays', but 'feels' like previous metroid games...

Hence, if SM is a 3rd person adventure with shooting elements, then MP is an FPA with shooting elements. You cannot seriously tell me that all first person games are shooters. Look at Enclave for instanse, it hasn't even a trace of out and out shooting elements, yet it has a first person view as an option.

That should quash any of your reservations. ;)

[Null]

Originally posted by Shadow_Link
I still don't understand why people keep thinking MP is an out and out FPS... IT ISN'T!

I guarantee you that the people who state that MP is an FPS will also state that the previous metroid games are 3rd person shooters. :rolleyes:

Is that what you think Null, that Super Metroid is an out and out 3rd person shooter? I should think not. And if you don't (hopefully), then you should understand from 'all' the impressons given, that MP not only 'plays', but 'feels' like previous metroid games...

Hence, if SM is a 3rd person adventure with shooting elements, then MP is an FPA with shooting elements. You cannot seriously tell me that all first person games are shooters. Look at Enclave for instanse, it hasn't even a trace of out and out shooting elements, yet it has a first person view as an option.

That should quash any of your reservations. ;)


quite honestly this argument has nothing to do with you. nor is it fun to argue with you about it. im just havin fun with game. hehe

But to what you said. it all means nothign. cuz once again. People WHO HAVE PLAYED THE GAME SAY FPS.


and to be quite honest I never played any of the Metroid ganes, :) dunno why exactly, guess i just never got around to em.

And all the examples you people put up about other games are TOTALLY MEANINGLESS.. cuz as i pointed out. this isnt mario. this isnt zelda. this isnt ernie the wallazoo goes to england. This is Metroid. past metroids? make no diff. this metroid has obviously changed.


you can put up thoes weak arguments all you want about if mario was first person it would be FPS. Well guess what? Mario isnt first person. Mario sprays water. he does not have a gun to shoot with, Mario jumps on things to kill them for the most part. not using the water to kill them. Zelda perhaps is even lamer then mario. is the bow and arrow links main weap? no. that case is settled. And to step into the future here for what lame thing will prolly be said next "if NHL was in first person it would be FPS cuz you shoot the puck" :rolleyes:

thing is. theres nothing Anyone can say here to end this, untill we've all actually played it. For now tho. people who play the game say FPS. ;)

[Shadow_Link]

Originally posted by Null
thing is. theres nothing Anyone can say here to end this, untill we've all actually played it. For now tho. people who play the game say FPS. ;)

Yeah, if you actually bothered to read my post:

I guarantee you that the people who state that MP is an FPS will also state that the previous metroid games are 3rd person shooters.

from 'all' the impressons given, that MP not only 'plays', but 'feels' like previous metroid games...

Really, your 'argument' goes against you, as all the people who have played it says the game is just like previous metroids, but only this time in 3D... Hence, if they say MP is an FPS, then they will say that SM is a TPSm which is 'not' the case. SM is a TPA, hence MP is an FPA... Got it?

Please don't say people say FPS, because I already explained that part to you.

[Null]

and if you bothered to read my post. This is Metroid prime.

this isnt super metroid.


but by going what you say tho if it plays exactly like super metroid.

NINTENDO SAYS SUPER METROID IS AN ACTION GAME. NOT AN ADVENTURE.


so i guess even you say MP isnt Adventure cuz its exactly like the old one?

[Null]

and after readying your post above.


No one ever said MP is and out and out FPS, what im saying, and yes, people who have played the game ;) say its more FPS then it is adventure.

[Mushlafa]

I stopped reading this thread somewhere on the second page cause you guys was just saying the same thing over and over again... maybe someone pointed this out before this post but.. in Metroid Prime... your main weapons like charge beam and wave beam and ice beam plasma beam have no ammo... infinite ammo... but the missles and stuff you have a limited amount...

I just felt like posting that after Null asked for a difference between Halo and Metroid... Im assmuming you have a limited amound of ammo in Halo? Ive never played it :(

[Null]

Originally posted by Mushlafa
I stopped reading this thread somewhere on the second page cause you guys was just saying the same thing over and over again... maybe someone pointed this out before this post but.. in Metroid Prime... your main weapons like charge beam and wave beam and ice beam plasma beam have no ammo... infinite ammo... but the missles and stuff you have a limited amount...

I just felt like posting that after Null asked for a difference between Halo and Metroid... Im assmuming you have a limited amound of ammo in Halo? Ive never played it :(

dont bame ya for stoping reading it. hehe

differences i meant in game style. not actual game play. like maps are differnt, differnt controls differnt characters or differnt ammo stuff.

[BigJustinW]

But to what you said. it all means nothign. cuz once again. People WHO HAVE PLAYED THE GAME SAY FPS.


Yeah, and the official Nintendo website says adventure, I'm sure they played it too... They played the game just as much or more (I'm guessing more) than any IGN or Gamespot editor, and they say adventure.

So please, shut that dumb argument up and come up with another excuse

[Null]

Originally posted by BigJustinW


Yeah, and the official Nintendo website says adventure, I'm sure they played it too... They played the game just as much or more (I'm guessing more) than any IGN or Gamespot editor, and they say adventure.

So please, shut that dumb argument up and come up with another excuse

Yea, nintendo could say its a water polo game and you'd gullibly take thier word on it. nintendo said fps, then changed it to what everyone wants to hear. adventure.


I'll still take what people say its like over what a company wants you to beleive its like.

So i suggest you too come up with a better argument cuz nintendo says this and that is getting rather old also.

[Xantar]

Ok, so you say that GameSpot editors who have actually played the game say that Metroid Prime is an FPS. Well, Matt Cassamassina has also played the game, and he says otherwise.


Matt responds: A true slip of the tongue, my friend. To clarify, I should think that Metroid Prime is in fact a first-person adventure with shooter elements. Has Nintendo brainwashed me? No, no, seriously -- hear me out on this; the game couldn't be more the opposite from, say, TimeSplitters 2, which is a true FPS. How's that? Well, it's all in the play setup, really. Metroid controls differently, for one, with emphasis on Samus's different targeting modes and gadgets, not to mention her ability to morph into ball form. Second, it moves like an adventure. For instance, in some places, Samus will be able to walk through an entire locale without the need to blow a single enemy apart -- not the style of a shooter.

But it's really just a label. The game does take place largely in first-person mode and there is shooting, so if some gamers feel better about it, they can dub it an FPS. And similarly it's an adventure, so that applies too. I've come to think of the first-person shooter as a kind of "shoot first and ask questions later" genre, and Metroid Prime is definitely not that. So, for me at least, the FPA label works better.

What he says sounds reasonable enough to me. And it is possible that different people will have different opinions (as he points out). But based on what he says and what I have read about the game, Metroid Prime just doesn't seem to be an FPS unless your definition of an FPS is simply first person game in which you have a gun.

[GameKinG]

Originally posted by Null
Yea, nintendo could say its a water polo game and you'd gullibly take thier word on it. nintendo said fps, then changed it to what everyone wants to hear. adventure.


I'll still take what people say its like over what a company wants you to beleive its like.

So i suggest you too come up with a better argument cuz nintendo says this and that is getting rather old also.

When did anybody say they want an adventure more? What makes a FPA better then an FPS? Id like to see another FPS by Nintendo. Your jumping to conclusions...the only reason people say its FPA is because Nintendo has said it is. A FPA is no better or worse then an FPS. Now given, I repect IGN and Gamespot on a level. NP actually works and plays at NOA HQ. Now call me crazy, but maybe, JUST MAYBE, you have to play the game enough to understand that it is very much an adventure. Maybe it just seem like an FPS in the start because the story is unfolding as you play a long.

So many reasons they could be wrong when they say its an FPS.

[Null]

THANK YOU! (Xantar)


man, it took this long to get a rasonable argument.


Atho he does mainly refer to controls, which the gamespot people did say its got unique controls. unlike other FPS games.


and Matt here doesnt really rule out FPS either.

he too refers to it having shooter elements.

And he has a good opinion on what he defines shooter as. and says its not exactly that.

:)

[TheGame]

Originally posted by Null
THANK YOU!


man, it took this long to get a rasonable argument.

:rolleyes:

[Angrist]

:zzz: boring...

So people who've played it say it's an FPS. Ever thought about that they probably got to play a bit more action lvls and a bit less adventure gameplay??

It's only a name BTW, what's the big deal?
You could call it a FPS, but remember that FPS rely more on linear lvls and a lot of shooting and killing.
Metroid Prime has a inlinear gameplay and relies more on finding stuff to progress, which is typical for an adventure game.
So... although you could call it a FPS, a FPA would describe it better.

[TheGame]

Originally posted by Null
Yea, nintendo could say its a water polo game and you'd gullibly take thier word on it. nintendo said fps, then changed it to what everyone wants to hear. adventure.

Everybody wants to hear Adventure??? Maybe I'm mistaken, but when Metroid had it's first shots shown I was extremely happy because I thought it was a FPS, then when I heard FPA my expectations for the game went down.

I didn't want to hear FPA, apparently you didn't want to hear FPA, so who is this "everyone" you are talking about?

I'll still take what people say its like over what a company wants you to beleive its like.

What they want me to believe it is??? I never went to Nintendo.com for Metriod UNTIL you said it wasn't an Adventure. I was like you, listening to second hand sites, and I got the Adventure impression from everybody.

So i suggest you too come up with a better argument cuz nintendo says this and that is getting rather old also.

:rolleyes:

Your "Nintendo is Lying" arguement must be a lot worse, seeing that nobody here agrees with you and my worst (forum) enymys agree with me.

[Null]

nah. i got exactly what i wanted out of this topic. in more ways then one people have admited its not a definate FPA. i never said it was a definate FPS. but more and more its comeing thro that there ARE obvous FPS elements in it.


and maybe you were happy, but i remember a HUGE outcry when they announced first person. people were a wide range of dissapointment to damn upset. there were many topics on the forums about it when it happend. And nintendo came out and tried to explain more on it to settle people down so to speak.

just because nintendo is trying to make it something. doesnt mean the finished product will turn out to be that way. And thier intrupratation of what the game is could be differnt then what the gaming public see's. when you program or make something. its sometimes VERY differnt to you then to others.

[TheGame]

nah. i got exactly what i wanted out of this topic. in more ways then one people have admited its not a definate FPA. i never said it was a definate FPS.

har har har... you got what you wanted out of the thread??? Who said it isn't a cut and dry FPA??? Who agreed with you on ANY point???

I think you need to read a little closer. Oh, and you did say it's a FPS, look at your first post.

[Null]

Originally posted by TheGame
har har har... you got what you wanted out of the thread??? Who said it isn't a cut and dry FPA??? Who agreed with you on ANY point???

I think you need to read a little closer. Oh, and you did say it's a FPS, look at your first post.

"wah" ;)


it is a FPS. ;)


its also a Adventure,

and its even a Action.

but its not a cut and dry FPA.

point is which is it more of.


me thinks you need to read a bit closer too :)

[TheGame]

Originally posted by Null
"wah" ;)


it is a FPS. ;)


its also a Adventure,

and its even a Action.

but its not a cut and dry FPA.

point is which is it more of.


me thinks you need to read a bit closer too :)

:unsure:

I'll let sombody else take over on debating with you, this post you just made makes absolutly no sense.

First of all, what did I miss (besides your point in this post)

and second, what do you mean by "which is it more of"? What it is, is an adventure... an Adventure game that just happens to be in first person, everybody but you agrees on this point. If it has a label, it's FPA, or just Adventure, period.

[Null]

Originally posted by TheGame
:unsure:

I'll let sombody else take over on debating with you, this post you just made makes absolutly no sense.

First of all, what did I miss (besides your point in this post)

and second, what do you mean by "which is it more of"? What it is, is an adventure... an Adventure game that just happens to be in first person, everybody but you agrees on this point. If it has a label, it's FPA, or just Adventure, period.


:( well its no fun then....

thats why i mainly ignored everyone else and didnt even read many of thier posts. i was trying to argue with YOU.


*sniff*

[TheGame]

I get that a lot :unsure:

why do people like argueing with me for no reason :(

[Angrist]

my topic.... :unsure:

[playa_playa]

I am dismayed by the fact that some people are saying "Halo and Metroid Prime cannot be compared."

YES THEY CAN. It might not be the best, the most profound or the fairest comparison, but you can still draw analogous elements between the two.

Saying that you cannot is just dumb. It's a logical fallacy.

[bobcat]

volare.............whoa oooh.

cantare.........whoa ooh oh.

:unsure:

[TheGame]

Originally posted by playa_playa
I am dismayed by the fact that some people are saying "Halo and Metroid Prime cannot be compared."

YES THEY CAN. It might not be the best, the most profound or the fairest comparison, but you can still draw analogous elements between the two.

Saying that you cannot is just dumb. It's a logical fallacy.

Let's just compare GTA3 to Mario Sunshine, or Madden 2003 to WWF Wrestlemainia x8 :rolleyes:

They can be compared, yes, but there is no way to draw a conclusion from comparisions except which genre of game you like more.

[Null]

Originally posted by TheGame
They can be compared, yes, but there is no way to draw a conclusion from comparisions except which genre of game you like more.

lol.. i can. :D (once i've played both that is)

[playa_playa]

Originally posted by TheGame
Let's just compare GTA3 to Mario Sunshine, or Madden 2003 to WWF Wrestlemainia x8 :rolleyes:

Let's do that: they're all videogames!

Is that a comparison? Yes. Is that fair or profound? No. Did I say that they have to be in order to qualify as a comparison? I don't think so. And as a matter of fact, I remember painstakingly pointing out the very fact in my post. Something which you obviously missed so masterfully. Brilliant, genius. Well, wait...no, more like retarded.

They can be compared, yes, but there is no way to draw a conclusion from comparisions except which genre of game you like more.

Since this sentence says, "there is no way to draw a conclusion from [comparisons] except which genre of game you like more," I'll argue based upon the fact that you're saying that there is no way to draw a conclusion from comparisons in general except which genre of game you like more. Well, actually, I cannot because it's an obvious red-herring. So any comparison at all only allows conclusions that let's people to determine what kind of bias they have for games? So if I were to compare elephants to ants, that comparison would let you determine which genre of game you prefer? Sounds moronic, doesn't it?

But let me get back to my original point: we compare things that are totally different from each other all the time. And if you think about it, what's so stimulating about comparing two of the same things? If comparisons are made only to be centered around two of the same things, what the hell good is it?

Jesus Christ, is this so damn hard to grasp?

[TheGame]

Originally posted by playa_playa
Let's do that: they're all videogames!

Is that a comparison? Yes. Is that fair or profound? No. Did I say that they have to be in order to qualify as a comparison? I don't think so. And as a matter of fact, I remember painstakingly pointing out the very fact in my post. Something which you obviously missed so masterfully. Brilliant, genius. Well, wait...no, more like retarded.

What I was trying to say (which your dumb ass missed) is that anything can be compared... but... There is a point where comparisons become pointless due to too many differences.

The best comparisons are games that try to create the same image:

NFL 2k vs Madden
NBA 2k vs NBA Live
WWF No Mercy vs WWF WMx8
Mario 64 vs Mario Sunshine

The next Best are games that aren't trying to create the same image, but games that are in the same genre and have similar gameplay mechanics, game settings, or Level design.

Then there are the pointless comparisons. Yes, anything can be compared, But some are just plain stupid. Games that have nothing to do with each other. Metriod and Halo fall under this category. The lack of similarities isn't the only thing that makes it unfair. Just think about it, comparing a game that isn't out to (arguably) the best home console FPS is in no way fair.

Just like the retards that used to say Mafia is a GTA killer... Just because Mafia doesn't live up to GTA it now can be classified as crap. If it wasn't compared to GTA 3 it wouldn't be crap, it would be it's own game. Let Metroid be it's own game.

[b]we compare things that are totally different from each other all the time. And if you think about it, what's so stimulating about comparing two of the same things? If comparisons are made only to be centered around two of the same things, what the hell good is it?

What's so stimulating abut comparing Apples to Oranges??? The way I see it, comparing things that have bigger similarities than it's label. Yes, they are both "games" just like Apples and oranges are both "fruits". It's a lot easier to compare the big orange with the brown spots to the small clean one then it will ever be to compare it to an Apple.

Use this example on games, Tetris vs Madden 2003... both games, how could a person write a comprehensive comparison???

"Well, Madden has a franchise mode and Tetris doesn't, Madden is better"

wtf?

It simply makes no sense. To me, if comparisons are this retarded, I like to just say that the can't be compared. Halo and Metriod can't be compared.

Have you even considered the fact that metroid isn't even out yet? They still can be compared? (keep in mind what I said was something that can't be compared) A couple demo's to a full blown HIT game? If you believe these can be compared, I will quit debating now, because this is simple disagreement, facts have nothing to do with it.

[b]Jesus Christ, is this so damn hard to grasp?

:rolleyes:

[playa_playa]

Use this example on games, Tetris vs Madden 2003... both games, how could a person write a comprehensive comparison???

"Well, Madden has a franchise mode and Tetris doesn't, Madden is better"

Let's take that example and work with it to see if a valuable comparison could be formed between two things that you deem totally different. If such an attempt could be made and validated, wouldn't it prove that comparing two such distant phenomena can be gratifying?

Exhibit A -

Tetris features minimal amount of graphic prowess as opposed to Madden 2003. Whereas Madden 2003's gameplay itself is dependent on the visuals to create a realistic gameplay (since realistic experience would entail the most amount of graphic advances as possible).

Conclusion from A: The gameplay back in the generation of Tetris relied on abstract concepts of mental stimulation, filling the gap of missing realism from the obvious lack of graphic capabilities with imagination of the mind. Gameplay featured in the generation of Madden 2003 strives to create a near-perfect reconstruction of reality as opposed to stimulating the mind to imagine what the game is trying to portray.

Exhibit B -

The controls of Tetris remains simple (D-Pad and 2 buttons used). The way the movement of the blocks and the way of it falling are intuitively designed - meaning, left represents left, right represent right, down represent the fall of the block and so forth).
However, the controls of Madden 2003 present some unnatural tendencies as a means to dictate gameplay. That is Juke may be d-pad and x, pump fake may be R1+x and so forth.

Conclusion from B -

A realistic depiction in videogames inevitably leads to complicated schemes in control and player participation. Remember having to plug controller 2 for one of the boss fights in MGS? In order to portray the overall mood of the game during that fight, the creators had to conjure up a scheme that differed from just using the buttons on the controller. Hence, they added another method of controlling the game that the player had to learn.

Exhibit C -

Tetris is known to be impossible towards the end of the game. Madden can have a steep learning curve due to the exquisite control scheme, but can be mastered and conquered if the right amount of skill is present.

Conclusion from B

The limited amount of freedom in a videogame inevitably leads to physical limitations as a setting for difficulty. Whereas a more complicated game may feature a suave and refined control of the game mechanics as a measure of difficulty.

These comparisons aren't legitimate?

[TheGame]

Originally posted by playa_playa

These comparisons aren't legitimate?

No, they were a waste of time.

Answer this, which game is better?

They can be compared, yes, but there is no way to draw a conclusion from comparisions except which genre of game you like more.

[Null]

um, the game you like better is the better game.

if you like tetris better, does that mean you like puzzel games better? hell no you might hate puzzel games and love football games.

[TheGame]

Originally posted by Null
um, the game you like better is the better game.

if you like tetris better, does that mean you like puzzel games better? hell no you might hate puzzel games and love football games.

ok then, let me re-phrase it

There is no way to draw conclusions from comparisions except which game is better compared to it's own genre, not to each other.

There is no way to directly compare Madden 2003 to tetris. Because some of Madden's strong points can never be used to improve tetris, and wouldn't make sense to be put in Tetris... just like some of tetris's strong points could never be used in a football game. Graphics and sound are the only things that can be compared cross-genre by showing point by point... But cross genre gameplay and features can't be compared reasonably.

[playa_playa]

Originally posted by TheGame

Answer this, which game is better?


By saying they were a waste of time and not providing reasons for your assertion, you've already lost your stupid argument.

In any case, how do you define better?

[Shadow_Link]

I think everyone knows it is easy to compare things, even when they aren't the same.

But when we talk about games, we usually compare games of the same type, hence making a fair comparison. Sure there can be comparisons made between Halo and Metroid Prime, but will they be fair? Ofcourse not, and that is the point that is trying to be made.

If you were to make a head-to-head comparison between Halo and Metroid from a FPS point of view, then Halo has won the comparsion already. Consider this. Someone can only afford one game, and it's between Halo and Metroid, yet he doesn't know much about either game. If someone compares the games from one point of view, categorising both games under the same genre (FPS), then I assure you that not only would Halo win the head-to-head, but it would also make Metroid sound like a bad game, as it doesn't really have the elements to make it a contender to other high calibur FPS's.


On the other hand, if both games were compared under the assumption that both games were FPA's, then Metroid would be the out and out winner. But since both games are totally different in more ways to one, comparing both games would be unwise.

Put it this way, would you recommend Metroid Prime to a hard core FPS fan? Or would you recommend Halo to an adventure freak? Thought not.

[Null]

most people would wait to actually PLAY the game before recommending one, or saying one wins or what not.

metroid could very well win a FPS comparason. or maybe it wouldnt. thing is you should wait to PLAY IT first.

i say its rather stupid to say ones a winner when the 2nd isnt even done yet.

[TheGame]

Originally posted by Null
most people would wait to actually PLAY the game before recommending one, or saying one wins or what not.

metroid could very well win a FPS comparason. or maybe it wouldnt. thing is you should wait to PLAY IT first.

i say its rather stupid to say ones a winner when the 2nd isnt even done yet. Listen to Shadow Link, the man knows what he is talking about. Metroid vs Halo would not be fair if they bothwere compared within the FPS Genre.

Where's Metroid's selection of Weapons? Where's Metroid's Co-Op or Multi-player modes? Things like this are basic needs for a FPS. Halo has them, Metroid doesn't. So it is more than safe to say Metroid would lose a comparision in the FPS genre.

Hate to bring up old fights, but Metroid isn't a FPS, period.

[Null]

Originally posted by TheGame
Listen to Shadow Link, the man knows what he is talking about. Metroid vs Halo would not be fair if they bothwere compared within the FPS Genre.

Where's Metroid's selection of Weapons? Where's Metroid's Co-Op or Multi-player modes? Things like this are basic needs for a FPS. Halo has them, Metroid doesn't. So it is more than safe to say Metroid would lose a comparision in the FPS genre.

Hate to bring up old fights, but Metroid isn't a FPS, period.


coop and multiplayer would go under the multiplayer comparison. not the FPS comparason.

and hate to bring up old fights but if you cant see Metroid is a FPS your blind.

is it only an fps? no. its also an Adventure, its also an Action.

But it has FPS in it. you can compare that to halo ONCE ITS OUT.

everything in life gets compared. you wouldnt know what type of genre something was in if you didnt compare it to others.

you wouldnt know anything what you like or dont like if you didnt compare stuff. You say metroid isnt fps fine. but how did you come to that conclusion? you compared it to existing FPS and claim its differnt from them.

[TheGame]

Originally posted by Null
coop and multiplayer would go under the multiplayer comparison. not the FPS comparason.

No, it's a leathal feature for a FPS, so it is an FPS comparision. Just like Franchise mode would be a simulation sports game comparision. Games lacking it suffer a lot in scores.

and hate to bring up old fights but if you cant see Metroid is a FPS your blind.

If I were blind I wouldn't see that Metroid is in First person. But it isn't a FPS, it has little/no elements that can make it a FPS, except the fact it is in 1st person most of the game.

you wouldnt know anything what you like or dont like if you didnt compare stuff. You say metroid isnt fps fine. but how did you come to that conclusion? you compared it to existing FPS and claim its differnt from them.

(you are talking about totally different comparisions, I'm talking about defining which game is better, you are talking about general comparisions... look at my older posts, I said anything can be compared)

I came to the conclusion by knowing the definition of a FPS and a Adventure game. I did no comparing to come to my conclusion about the game. The only comparisions made were to make my arguement stronger to you. While you stuck to the "It's in First person, you shoot, it's a FPS" You could say the same for Zelda, or any game that has and first person moments. The whole game of Metroid isn't in First person, at times, the camera drops behind and it becomes 3rd person.

It's not a FPS, FPA, or just plain Adventure is what this should be classified as.

[Null]

you woudlnt know the difintions without comparing, there would be no difinitions without compareing. everygame would be the same catagory.


and cant really say anything bout your zelda argument, my 3 year old cousin could make a better one, thats just plan stupid. Link has a sword. not a gun :rolleyes:


and you just admited it has fps elimints in it. therfor it has FPS in it. (more then you say but you still say.)

[Shadow_Link]

Originally posted by Null
and you just admited it has fps elimints in it. therfor it has FPS in it. (more then you say but you still say.)

Wow... In Madden, you can run, while you can do the same in Halo, therefore Halo must be a sports simulation. :rolleyes:

coop and multiplayer would go under the multiplayer comparison. not the FPS comparason.

Hate to break it to you, but multiplayer isn't a genre... When you 'compare' both Metroid and Halo as FPS's, you will ultimately compare each of the elements inside each game. Lets see, Metroid has compulsory auto-aim, Halo doesn't, Halo has a multiplayer, Metroid doesn't.

Now again, if someone looking into buying a game looks at the FPS genre, and gets the impression that Metroid is an FPS game, what will he think when it is compared to a pure FPS?

'Let's see, this game is an FPS, yet it has NO multiplayer, there's alot of jumping, compulsory auto-aim, aw man, this game is crap!'

If Metroid were going to be an FPS, it would suck wouldn't it?

Now if Metroid were to be placed under a whole different genre, people won't be concentrating on whether it has auto-aim or not, or if it has multiplayer deathmatches, and therefore could be appreciated as being a very good game.

[TheGame]

Originally posted by Null
you woudlnt know the difintions without comparing, there would be no difinitions without compareing. everygame would be the same catagory.

...

Soo... a game where two guys are fighting isn't a fighting game when it isn't being compared? A game that features sports gameplay isn't a sports when it isn't being compared? I don't understand this point of yours.


and cant really say anything bout your zelda argument, my 3 year old cousin could make a better one, thats just plan stupid. Link has a sword. not a gun :rolleyes:

Link has a Bow and Arrow, and a sling shot (and a Boomerang), both are shot in first person. Hell, he has a bigger selection of shootable weapond than Samus, and real ammo. Does that make the whole game a FPS?

The FP in FPS is just the point of view. Just becqause a game is in first person it doesn't mean it's a FPS. Look at Phantasy Star for SMS, just because that's in first person it's a FPS?

and you just admited it has fps elimints in it. therfor it has FPS in it. (more then you say but you still say.)

Zelda has FPS in it, does that make it a FPS?

[Null]

:rolleyes:

yes it has a fps element in it. you tryin to say the idea of that bow and arrow did not derive from a FPS?


and its still not quite sinking into you. But its ok. im sure one of these days when ya get older your understand more.

and i dont know what the hell your talkin bout in the first park. you sound a bit drink.

What im saying is EVERYTHING is compared. whether you know it or not. you may think your not comparing stuff but you are. How does Madden fit into the sprots catagory? For any answer your about to give me, its because you JUST comared the game to the definition of a sports games and are about to share your finding.

Why is metroid not a FPS? <TheGame> cuz well mario isnt or billy bobs water park adventure isnt

no no, talking about metroid not other games <TheGame> oh, cuz it doesnt have this and this and this like halo does, it has these adventure elements like blah blah blah.

you just compared Metroid to Halo. you just compared Metroid to a FPS Definition. You Just compared Metroid to a Adventure definition.

Im saying everything is always compared. you cant say something cant be compared cuz of this or that. because by saying that you already compared them.

[TheGame]

How retarded can you get? This is the most mindless debate I've ever had with anybody.

Originally posted by Null
:rolleyes:

yes it has a fps element in it. you tryin to say the idea of that bow and arrow did not derive from a FPS?

I was the one that said Zelda has FPS elements to begin with. You were the one with the dumb ass "Link uses a sword, not a gun, my 3 year old cousin told me so" arguement. So don't even start to turn it against me.


and its still not quite sinking into you. But its ok. im sure one of these days when ya get older your understand more.

and i dont know what the hell your talkin bout in the first park. you sound a bit drink.

first park, a bit drink??? Ummm.... :unsure:

What im saying is EVERYTHING is compared. whether you know it or not. you may think your not comparing stuff but you are. How does Madden fit into the sprots catagory? For any answer your about to give me, its because you JUST comared the game to the definition of a sports games and are about to share your finding.

No, I know Madden fits in to the sports category because Football is a sport. Before Video games were thought of, Football was still a sport. That's why it falls into the sports game category.

Why is metroid not a FPS? <TheGame> cuz well mario isnt or billy bobs water park adventure isnt

:rolleyes:

You are the only person here who believes it's a FPS. Nobody agrees with you. Nuff said.

no no, talking about metroid not other games <TheGame> oh, cuz it doesnt have this and this and this like halo does, it has these adventure elements like blah blah blah.

You are the only person here who believes it's a FPS. Nobody agrees with you. Nuff said.

you just compared Metroid to Halo. you just compared Metroid to a FPS Definition. You Just compared Metroid to a Adventure definition.

How many times do I have to say it? Anything can be compared. Obviously you are too blinded with your need to "win" this To realize I have said it more than enough times in this topic.

Im saying everything is always compared. you cant say something cant be compared cuz of this or that. because by saying that you already compared them.

I think you are "drink" again

maybe you should read an old post of mine sonny...

What I was trying to say (which your dumb ass missed) is that anything can be compared... but... There is a point where comparisons become pointless due to too many differences.

The best comparisons are games that try to create the same image:

NFL 2k vs Madden
NBA 2k vs NBA Live
WWF No Mercy vs WWF WMx8
Mario 64 vs Mario Sunshine

The next Best are games that aren't trying to create the same image, but games that are in the same genre and have similar gameplay mechanics, game settings, or Level design.

Then there are the pointless comparisons. Yes, anything can be compared, But some are just plain stupid. Games that have nothing to do with each other. Metriod and Halo fall under this category. The lack of similarities isn't the only thing that makes it unfair. Just think about it, comparing a game that isn't out to (arguably) the best home console FPS is in no way fair.

Just like the retards that used to say Mafia is a GTA killer... Just because Mafia doesn't live up to GTA it now can be classified as crap. If it wasn't compared to GTA 3 it wouldn't be crap, it would be it's own game. Let Metroid be it's own game.


What's so stimulating abut comparing Apples to Oranges??? The way I see it, comparing things that have bigger similarities than it's label. Yes, they are both "games" just like Apples and oranges are both "fruits". It's a lot easier to compare the big orange with the brown spots to the small clean one then it will ever be to compare it to an Apple.

Use this example on games, Tetris vs Madden 2003... both games, how could a person write a comprehensive comparison???

"Well, Madden has a franchise mode and Tetris doesn't, Madden is better"

wtf?

It simply makes no sense. To me, if comparisons are this retarded, I like to just say that the can't be compared. Halo and Metriod can't be compared.

Have you even considered the fact that metroid isn't even out yet? They still can be compared? (keep in mind what I said was something that can't be compared) A couple demo's to a full blown HIT game? If you believe these can be compared, I will quit debating now, because this is simple disagreement, facts have nothing to do with it.


*sigh*

I don't know what kind of comparisions you are talking about, or what you are trying to prove (please answer this in your next post)

by the way... just because you love hearing me repeat myself.

You are the only person here who believes it's a FPS. Nobody agrees with you. Nuff said.

[Angrist]

Go on like this and my thread will be the longest GCN thread ever! :D

[Xantar]

I don't know...I'm pretty sure TheGame and I have had longer debates about the GameCube in the past. After all, Null doesn't go on and on nearly as much as I do. :D

I suppose I could make this the longest GCN thread ever by jumping in, but I unfortunately agree with TheGame. So the best I could do is more or less repeat what he says and waste everyone's time. Even I have better things to do.

[Shadow_Link]

Originally posted by Xantar
Even I have better things to do.

*Cough*noyoudon't*cough* :D...

[Null]

Originally posted by Xantar
After all, Null doesn't go on and on nearly as much as I do. :D



someone deleted my last couple posts. so i just gave up. not going to keep retyping them.