Microsoft want to own the internet

[sdtPikachu]

Sorry, I just had to post this, as this is quite possibly the most disgusting thing I've ever heard. I've been reading up on it all week, and now I've got some time on my hand I thought I might write up about it so that all of you people who don't read The Register (http://www.theregister.co.uk) and Slashdot (http://slashdot.org) can hear about the Beast's latest scheme.

And for those of you who are afraid of long posts: ignore this at your peril. I would also like to see what your reaction to this is.

Earlier this week, Microsoft outlined their plans for their next generation of operting systems, codenamed Longhorn/Palladium. Among the features touted was the "secure networking" functions that OS would offer.

Firstly:
Microsoft plans to implement Palladium DRM (digital rights management) in a hardware chip, initially implanted on the mobo, but later on embedded in the CPU, and employing hardwired encryption throughout. The purpose of this is to flag every file on the computer with a digital signature telling a remote server what it is. If it's an unauthorised file, the remote server will tell your computer not to let you execute it.

This is basically an attempt to stop the trading of mp3's and/or warez.

Secondly:
Before an application can run, it too must have a digital signature remotely verified by another server. If the program binary doesn't match with any of the authenticated binaries, your computer won't run it. This, again, is meant to stop your computer running "unauthorised" software - which might be warez, or it might just be a nifty freewrae program that the authors acn't afford to have certified. Microsoft will be able to control exactly what your computer can and can't run.

Thirdly:
As most of you know, Microsoft employ a strategy of making their software deliberately obsolete - they make it forwrd compatible, but not backward compatible. With the laws of the DMCA, it will soon be illegal to try to make a software product that is compatible with another programs file types (for example, take the many office applications there are for Linux which have had some success in translating their arcane file formats).
This has the effect of killing any competition in the water - since you're not allowed to make your new product compatible with any of the others, no-one will use it. And eventually people will give up using any of the others instead, since no-one else can read their documents. So the entire world will be left with one choice only for software - Microsoft.

Fourthly (I don't know if that's a word, but it should be):
Palladium will effectively ban free software, not just free stuff for Windows platforms, but free stuff for Linux, Mac, in fact every OS that runs on a Palladium enabled motherboard/processor. Why?
In order to get the program to run on a palladium platform, you will need to pay to have your binary certified as "safe" by Microsoft's software authentification branch. And who in their right mind is going to pay for a piece of software they spent hours working on? It just wouldn't be worth it.

It gets worse when it comes to open source projects, such as Linux and BSD. Those of you who know about these things will know that open source projects are created by freelance coders all over the world who create programs in their spare time and then give them to the rest of the world for free. Many of them also release the source code for free too, so that if you wish you can alter the program (such as to fix bugs, add features etc).
Now, it would be bad enough if the owner has to pay a certification fee. But EVERY CHANGE that is made to the source code will require a new, seperate certificate to be created. Those of you who use Linux will know that so many things get updated so quickly, that this just isn't practical, and would cost the open source developement people millions of dollars. This is money they just don't have, and Microsoft knows it.

Fifthly:
The "secure network". This is the real clincher for Palladium. At first, they're going to make it so that it is possible to turn Palladium off at the hardware level. But it is created in such a way so that, if you try to connect to a Palladium web server, you won't be allowed to. Palladium machines will only be able to talk to other Palladium machines, and non-Palladium machines won't be able to talk to any Palladium machines.
Hence, if Palladium reaches critical mass, there will be thousands of people the world over who won't be able to access the internet or even work on a network with Palladium machines, so by extension they will be forced to "upgrade" to Palladium machines.

Sixthly:
At first I thought: what the hell, this is only going to apply to x86 architecture (namely Athlon and Pentium chips, since it's only AMD and Intel who are involved at the moment). So, I could try another hardware architecture: such as the Mac/PPC, or the Sun Sparc, or an ARM, or any other kind of processor.
But then I realside that even if I did, I wouldn't be able to access the "Palladium network" which could encompass the entire internet if this concept goes far enough. So all you Mac users would be effectively locked out; you too would have adopt a Palladium machine if you wanted your computer to actually do anything.

Seventhly:
Palladium will enable all your documents to be controlled remotely. No, this is not a joke. If Microsoft find you are using an outdated version of Office, all they need to do is send a message to your computer and it will no longer let you read any of your documents that were created with that application.
Even more sinister is that if Microsoft take offence at any of the documents on your machine (this could be porn, it could be a simple document containing DeCSS information or anti-Palladium information) then they can delete or alter it not just from your PC but from every other Palladium PC on the network.
This has a remarkable similarity to the "Ministry of Truth" in George Orwell's "1984" where the government continually faked information, both new and old, the entire country over to make themsleves appear "correct" all the time.


If Palladium ever becomes widespread enough, the internet as we know it today will be dead. Instead of being controlled by us, it will be controlled by Microsoft, and you will have no choice to do exectly what they say.

Hence why I want to tell as many people about this atrocious idea before it become spopular, and M$ administer their miraculous spin to it to make it sound like the best thing since sliced bread.

"Those who are willing to lose some of their essential liberties in favour of security deserve neither and will lose both"
--One of America's founding fathers (sorry, I forget the name)

[sdtPikachu]

Darn, I forgot to post the links explaining about it. I'll also put up a few emails from some mailing lists me and my friends are members of.

Initial outline of Palladium (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/25852.html)

Analysis on how Palladium is solely designed to protect IT businesses such as Microsoft (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/25940.html)

The Palladium FAQ (http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html)

How Palladium has the potential to eradicate Linux (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/25891.html)

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The following is an excerpt from an email by "Lucky Green" one of the worlds most renowned cryptography hackers.

[Minor plug: I am scheduled to give a talk on TCPA at this year's DEF CON security conference. I promise it will be an interesting talk. http://www.defcon.org ]

Below are two more additional TCPA plays that I am in a position to mention:

1) Permanently lock out competitors from your file formats.

- From Steven Levy's article:
"A more interesting possibility is that Palladium could help introduce DRM to business and just plain people. It's a funny thing," says Bill Gates. "We came at this thinking about music, but then we realized that e-mail and documents were far more interesting domains."

Here it is why it is a more interesting possibility to Microsoft for Palladium to help introduce DRM to business and "just plain people" than to solely utilize DRM to prevent copying of digital entertainment content:

It is true that Microsoft, Intel, and other key TCPA members consider DRM an enabler of the PC as the hub of the future home entertainment network. As Ross pointed out, by adding DRM to the platform, Microsoft
and Intel, are able to grow the market for the platform.

However, this alone does little to enhance Microsoft's already sizable existing core business. As Bill Gates stated, Microsoft plans to wrap their entire set of file formats with DRM. How does this help Microsoft's core business? Very simple: enabling DRM for MS Word
documents makes it illegal under the DMCA to create competing software that can read or otherwise process the application's file format without the application vendor's permission.

Future maintainers of open source office suites will be faced with a very simple choice: don't enable the software to read Microsoft's file formats or go to jail. Anyone who doubts that such a thing could happen
is encouraged to familiarize themselves with the case of Dmitry Skylarov, who was arrested after last year's DEF CON conference for creating software that permitted processing of a DRM-wrapped document
file format.

Permanently locking out competition is a feature that of course does not just appeal to Microsoft alone. A great many dominant application vendors are looking forward to locking out their competition. The beauty of this play is that the application vendors themselves never need to make that call to the FBI themselves and incur the resultant backlash from the public that Adobe experienced in the Skylarov case. The content
providers or some of those utilizing the ubiquitously supported DRM features will eagerly make that call instead.

In one fell swoop, application vendors, such as Microsoft and many others, create a situation in which the full force of the U.S. judicial system can be brought to bear on anyone attempting to compete with a
dominant application vendor. This is one of the several ways in which TCPA enables stifling competition.

The above is one of the near to medium objectives the TCPA helps meet. [The short-term core application objective is of course to ensure payment for any and all copies of your application out there]. Below is a mid to long term objective:

2) Lock documents to application licensing

As the Levy article mentions, Palladium will permit the creation of documents with a given lifetime. This feature by necessity requires a secure clock, not just at the desktop of the creator of the document, but also on the desktops of all parties that might in the future read
such documents. Since PC's do not ship with secure clocks that the owner of the PC is unable to alter and since the TCPA's specs do not mandate such an expensive hardware solution, any implementation of limited lifetime documents must by necessity obtain the time elsewhere. The obvious source for secure time is a TPM authenticated time server that distributes the time over the Internet.

In other words, Palladium and other TCPA-based applications will require at least occasional Internet access to operate. It is during such mandatory Internet access that licensing-related information will be pushed to the desktop. One such set of information would be blacklists of widely-distributed pirated copies of application software (you don't need TCPA for this feature if the user downloads and installs periodic software updates, but the user may choose to live with
application bugs that are fixed in the update rather than see her unpaid software disabled).

With TCPA and DRM on all documents, the application vendor's powers increase vastly: the application vendor can now not just invalidate copies of applications for failure to pay ongoing licensing fees, but can invalidate all documents that were ever created with the help of
this application. Regardless how widely the documents may have been distributed or on who's computer the documents may reside at present.

Furthermore, this feature enables world-wide remote invalidation of a document file for reasons other than failure to pay ongoing licensing fees to the application vendor. To give just one example, documents can
be remotely invalidated pursuant to a court order, as might be given if the author of the document were to distribute DeCSS v3 or Scientology scriptures in the future DRM protected format. All that is required to
perform such an administrative invalidation of a document is either a sample copy of the document from which one can obtain its globally unique ID, the serial number of the application that created the document, or the public key of the person who licensed the application. (Other ways to exist but are omitted in the interest of brevity).

- --Lucky Green

[sdtPikachu]

And another...

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JUNE 27, 2002
I Told You So
Alas, a Couple of Bob's Dire Predictions Have Come True

By Robert X. Cringely

Just over three years ago I wrote a column titled "Cooking the Books: How Clever Accounting Techniques are Used to Make Internet Millionaires." It explained how telecom companies were using accounting tricks to create revenue where there really was none. Take another look at the column (it's among the links on the "I Like It" page), and think of Worldcom with its recently revealed $3.7 billion in hidden expenses. Then last August, I wrote a column titled "The Death of TCP/IP: Why the Age of Internet Innocence is Over." Take a look at that column, too, and think about Microsoft's just-revealed project called Palladium.

The end is near.

Sometimes I'd rather be wrong, but it's a no-brainer to guess that accountancy, which has apparently become something of an art form or interpretive dance, could have a dark side. And you'll never lose money betting for Microsoft and against Microsoft's competitors and customers.

Let's concentrate on the Microsoft story. Last August, I wrote of a rumor that Microsoft wanted to replace TCP/IP with a proprietary protocol -- a protocol owned by Microsoft -- that it would tout as being more secure. Actually, the new protocol would likely be TCP/IP with some of the reserved fields used as pointers to proprietary extensions, quite similar to Vines IP, if you remember that product from Banyan Systems. I called it TCP/MS in the column. How do you push for the acceptance of such a protocol? First, make the old one unworkable by placing millions of exploitable TCP/IP
stacks out on the Net, ready-to-use by any teenage sociopath. When the Net slows or crashes, the blame would not be assigned to Microsoft. Then ship the new protocol with every new copy of Windows, and install it with every Windows Update over the Internet. Zero to 100 million copies could happen in less than a year.

This week, Microsoft announced Palladium through an exclusive story in Newsweek written by Steven Levy, who ought to have known better. Palladium is the code name for a Microsoft project to make all Internet communication safer by essentially pasting a digital certificate on every application, message, byte, and machine on the Net, then encrypting the data EVEN INSIDE YOUR COMPUTER PROCESSOR. Palladium compatible hardware (presumably chipsets and motherboards) will come from both AMD and Intel, and the software will, of course, come from Microsoft. That software is what I had dubbed TCP/MS.

The point of all this is simple. It may actually make the Internet somewhat safer. But the real purpose of this stuff, I fear, is to take technology owned by nobody (TCP/IP) and replace it with technology owned by Redmond. That's taking the Internet and turning it into MSN. Oh, and we'll all have to buy new computers.

This is diabolical. If Microsoft is successful, Palladium will give Bill Gates a piece of every transaction of any type while at the same time marginalizing the work of any competitor who doesn't choose to be Palladium-compliant. So much for Linux and Open Source, but it goes even further than that. So much for Apple and the Macintosh. It's a militarized network architecture only Dick Cheney could love.

Ironically, Microsoft says they will reveal Palladium's source code, which is little more than a head feint toward the Open Source movement. Nobody at Microsoft is saying anything about giving the ownership of that source code away or of allowing just anyone to change it.

Under Palladium as I understand it, the Internet goes from being ours to being theirs. The very data on your hard drive ceases to be yours because it could self-destruct at any time. We'll end up paying rent to use our own data!

Can you tell I think this is a bad idea?

What bothers me the most about it is not just that we are being sold a bill of goods by the very outfit responsible for making possible most current Internet security problems. "The world is a fearful place because we allowed it to be by introducing vulnerable designs followed by clueless security initiatives) so let us fix it for you." Yeah, right. Yet Palladium has a very real chance of succeeding.

How long until only code signed by Microsoft will be allowed to run on the platform? It seems that Microsoft is trying to implement a system that will enable them, once and for all, to charge game console-like royalties to software developers.

But how will this stop the "I just e-mailed you a virus" problem? How does this stop my personal information being sucked out of my PC using cookies? It won't. Solving those particular problems is not Palladium's real
purpose, which is to increase Microsoft's market share. It is a marketing concept that will be sold as the solution to a problem. It won't really work.

Let's understand here that not all Microsoft products are bad and many are very good. Those products serve real customer needs and do so with genuine purpose, not marketing artifice. But Palladium isn't that way at all. This is NOT about making things better for the user. This is about removing the ability for the end user to make decisions about how his or her computer functions. It is an effort by Microsoft to take literal ownership of Internet technology, Microsoft's "embrace and extend" strategy applied for the Nth time, though on a grander scale than we've ever seen before. While
there is some doubt that the PC will survive a decade from now as a product category, nobody is suggesting the Internet will do anything but grow and grow over that time. Palladium assures that whatever hardware is running on the network of 10 years from now, it will be generating revenue for Microsoft. There is nothing wrong with Microsoft having a survival strategy, but plenty wrong with presenting it as some big favor they are doing for us and for the world.

What's saddest about this story is that it could be positive. The world is a dangerous place and finding ways to make people responsible for what they do on the Net is probably good, not bad. I just don't think we have the right people on the job.

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All those in favour of losing your right to use a computer with YOUR data owned by YOU please do nothing.

P.S. If anyone made it his far, a response would be great... :D

[Mechadragon]

Alas, I have found a new hate for Microsoft...

[Bond]

So, I read this article and I think that:

1. Microsoft is an extremely smart company and they know what they're doing.

2. George Orwell is a great writer.

3. If everything you said is true this will never happen.

[sdtPikachu]

Originally posted by Bond
3. If everything you said is true this will never happen.

I would love to see three good reasons why it can never happen.

1). The RIAA and MPAA are itching to get DRM into every computer on the planet, and the easiest way to do this is through Microsoft

2). The US government wants to see US businesses do well (ie stop piracy). This could be due to patriotism, although politics being politics I imagine backhanders probably have something to do with it too

3). M$ and the US gov endorse it enough, America will have it's own "secure network"

4). Most of the internet runs from American servers

5). To access these, people would need to upgrade to Palladium systems

6). People without Palladium would become increasing ostracised until they either a) used a Palladium system or b) stopped using computers altogether

Either way, problem solved. Everyone has to use Palladium.

Now, tell me what it is about this that is so farfetched.

[Jonbo298]

I would like to take this moment to release my boiling anger towards Microsoft(excuse the caps:D) F*CK YOU MICROSOFT. HAVEN'T YOU TAKEN ENOUGH F*CKING $HIT FROM ME ALREADY! NOW YOU WANT TO NOT LET ME LOOK AT MY OWN $HIT! I WILL MAKE IT MY PERSONAL MISSION TO TAKE YOU LITTLE F*CKING BA$TARDS DOWN!!!! ok. I'm done.

[Cyrax9]

OK Pika, now that there's steam comng out of my ears, here's three good reasons this can't/won't happen. I was just reading about ti yeaterday ad fuming so now I'll tel you why it won't happen.


1. Micro$haft's monopoly is geting rediculous, a few "good" lawyers can shut this down easily if it gets out of control, in 2004 the US will have anoter presidential eection, George W. Bush might have cancer, if you live in the uS and Vote for him, you'd essentialy be re-electing a problem, tu in 2004 the pwoer will likely shift to the democrast aain, the reason is because of the nations current status, if Bush dies, Vice President Dick Cheney becomes the president of the USA, Dick Cheney is prone to heart-attacks, strees increases heart attacks, guess what the most stressful job in the USA and the world is? We'd essentialy be electing a dead-man.

If the democrats get back into office in 2004, the first thing they wat to do is dissolve Macro$oft because of there "illegal monopoly", this means that the bill that President Bush Vetoed to dissolve Micro$mack will be tried again and the new president will sign it, republicans are for "big buisness", Bush is a republican, and all he had to do to stop M$ was to sign hisx name, he chose not too, remember that in 2k4 if you live in the USA and are over 18 on election day.


2. Aside from this being an illegal practice, do you think eveyone will go out and by a Palladium Machine? The short answer is no, people will revolt against using Computers, they'll use ther Macs, Linux systems, and Pentieums until they fall apart peice by peice, a few idiots will buy the new Micro$oft software and it'l be worthles in a few months, the Palladium that M$ is trying to succeed with wil be it's own downfall. People would rather not use a PC than use a PC that dosen't work.

3. The money isn't tere for the acverage consumer, freeware is legal in the uSA under the first Amendment to the Consitution, the fist ten amendments ca NOT be changed, they are the bill of rights and the first amendment is the "Right to free speech", this means that if someone wants to distribute something, such as a freeware program and M$ won't allow it, they have just broken another law, Bill gates beter have some new court dates ready, he's gonna neeed them!

I'll even throw in a fourth reason.

4. Since this deals with countries other than the US, including Great Briittain, Japan, China, Canada, the Neatherlandfs and the rest f the world, if the US goverment dosen't stop ilergal practices by Micrsoft, the United Naions will, and Bill Gates will wind up in a fedeal prison with POWs.


In short, Pallaidium will fal flat on it's ass the minute it starts, I hope you enjoy this, becauxse I'm now off to bitch to som people in congress ad send this thread to anyone I know who can make a differance against this. Remember, if I on't like what new PC's wll have on them, I won't buy one, if I can't get online in a year or two, than I'l sop using the net, Microsoft is not going to win this, and as for security in Palladium, don't make me laugh. If Viruses are easy at the Software level, all someone needs to do is to creat a "virus" that "overclocks" your Palladium chip and turns it into a nice crispy Piece of Crap, the M$ Certifcation will be cracked within minutes, and the Palladium chips will make Windows XP look like High-Quality Software. Also, you know that bad surge protector that keeps shorting out? Wathc the Palladium chips short out and kill your PC's. Either way M$ loses, even if they get there chips out, people will avoid them or destroy them, M$ has gotten into a catch 22, and they aren't going to get out easily if at all. The day the Paladium chips are released, turn all of your PC's off, watch as the few iditos who buy these POS's try and use them when there HP printers stop working, there copy of AOHel dosen't work, and there HDD fries. Then turn the news on the next day and watc the angry mobs at electroncis stores shoot the owners who sold the craap M$ put out, keep that in mind when you think aboutyour next PC as well.

[Cyrax9]

There's a wonderful song from the Anime Show "Gundam 0083: Stardust Memories", it's called "Men of Destiny", the English version is called "Oblivion", I'm going to put the lyrics in this post in italics and I want someone to tell me if it sounds like what We're headed for.

Here it goes:


Oblivion- Gundam 0083: Stardust Memories:

See the brave new world of man,
We created with our hands,
Watch it slip away...
Like a tiny grain of sand...
Think of all the sweat and tears,
Think of all the wasted years,
Does it make you sad?
Just to think of all we had... ?

No more time for laughter...
No more time for sorrow...
No more morning after...
'Cause there's no tomorrow now!
We are standing on the edge of oblivion!

Say goodbye to Avalon!
As it fades into the dawn!
On the Final Countdown to oblivion!
Say goodbye to Avalon!
As the sacred fires burn!
In the end we all return... to oblivion!!

Have we really come this far...
Just to watch it fall apart?
Now we face defeat...
And it tastes so bittersweet...
Bow to the hand of fate!
Curse the gods but it's too late!
From dust to dust...
There is nothing left for us...

No more time for courage...
No more time for honor...
No more time heroes...
This is armageddon now!
We are standing on the edge of oblivion!

Say goodbye to Avalon!
As it fades into the dawn!
On the Final Countdown to oblivion!
Say goodbye to Avalon!
As the sacred fires burn!
In the end we all return... to oblivion!!

How soon we'll know the power of prophecy!
As we approach the hour of destiny!
There's no way to stop the tide...
Nowhere to run and hide... from oblivion!

Say goodbye to Avalon!
As it fades into the dawn!
On the Final Countdown to oblivion!
Say goodbye to Avalon!
As the sacred fires burn!
In the end we all return... to oblivion!!



Courtesy of www.animelyrics.com

Just think of this song when you hand your soul over to M$

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Jonbo298]

Originally posted by Cyrax9


If the democrats get back into office in 2004, the first thing they wat to do is dissolve Macro$oft because of there "illegal monopoly", this means that the bill that President Bush Vetoed to dissolve Micro$mack will be tried again and the new president will sign it, republicans are for "big buisness", Bush is a republican, and all he had to do to stop M$ was to sign hisx name, he chose not too, remember that in 2k4 if you live in the USA and are over 18 on election day.


Thank god I will be over 18 once '04 hits:D I am a proud Democrat. Thanks somewhat in part to the '00 elections. I just hope Gore runs again! He says he invented the internet, so he will most likely try all in his power to keep his brain child running.

[sdtPikachu]

I hate to be pessimistic Cyrax, but here's my take on the whole shebang.

Originally posted by Cyrax9
1. Micro$haft's monopoly is geting rediculous, a few "good" lawyers can shut this down easily if it gets out of control, in 2004 the US will have anoter presidential eection, George W. Bush might have cancer, if you live in the uS and Vote for him, you'd essentialy be re-electing a problem, tu in 2004 the pwoer will likely shift to the democrast aain, the reason is because of the nations current status, if Bush dies, Vice President Dick Cheney becomes the president of the USA, Dick Cheney is prone to heart-attacks, strees increases heart attacks, guess what the most stressful job in the USA and the world is? We'd essentialy be electing a dead-man.

If the democrats get back into office in 2004, the first thing they wat to do is dissolve Macro$oft because of there "illegal monopoly", this means that the bill that President Bush Vetoed to dissolve Micro$mack will be tried again and the new president will sign it, republicans are for "big buisness", Bush is a republican, and all he had to do to stop M$ was to sign hisx name, he chose not too, remember that in 2k4 if you live in the USA and are over 18 on election day.

The President is essentially a cipher, and holds little power himself. It's the men behind the scenes who make the big changes. I imagine he was advised not to sign the petition, because it would be "bad for American business".

I sincerely doubt that even a change in political parties as extreme as the ones you suggest would tempt an government from the prospect of letting the entire world run their and only their products. It would make the US billions, as well as giving you control of foreign countries.

Trade embargos can be a thing of the past when you have a Palladium embargo on all information...

I sincerely hope you're right, but I don't think it's a good idea to rest on your laurels and say "this will never happen". Steps need to be taken to ensure it never happens, and the first is telling people what this cr@p would mean to them.

2. Aside from this being an illegal practice, do you think eveyone will go out and by a Palladium Machine? The short answer is no, people will revolt against using Computers, they'll use ther Macs, Linux systems, and Pentieums until they fall apart peice by peice, a few idiots will buy the new Micro$oft software and it'l be worthles in a few months, the Palladium that M$ is trying to succeed with wil be it's own downfall. People would rather not use a PC than use a PC that dosen't work.

If the public were properly educated, no sane person in the world would buy a Palladium machine. Now tell me: who is the master of marketing spin? Microsoft could sell people their own sh1t if they tried hard enough. They are one of the worlds best marketers (and let's face it, with products as bad as so many of theirs are, they'd need to be).

They're not packaging this up as a DRM OS. They're packaging it as a "secure OS" which is supposedly immune to viruses and hacker attacks (although funnily enough they don't mention that it was their crappy softwrae that caused most of this in the first place - it's like me selling guns to the Taliban, and then selling guns to the US army to fight them off). If they can convince people that this is true, Palladium OS and computers will fly off the shelves.

3. The money isn't tere for the acverage consumer, freeware is legal in the uSA under the first Amendment to the Consitution, the fist ten amendments ca NOT be changed, they are the bill of rights and the first amendment is the "Right to free speech", this means that if someone wants to distribute something, such as a freeware program and M$ won't allow it, they have just broken another law, Bill gates beter have some new court dates ready, he's gonna neeed them!

How do you mean the moeny isn't there? Microsoft are perfectly capable of giving the whole thing away for free if they need to - as I've said before, the first hit of crack is always the cheapest.

This is one of the major reasons I've always hated the Xbox - it's a computer in a box that you have no control over. The Palladium OS/PC will most likely be avaliable in the form of an Xbox clone (and if you've read the plans about Xbox 2, you'll know what I'm on about) - a cheap integrated user-friendly PC clone with locked down hardware, popular for it's ease of use. There's no hardware to install, no weird drivers, nothing.

As for freeware and this is Microsofts real stroke of genius - yeah, the software will still be free to distribute. You just won't be able to run it on a Palladium system until someone coughs up for the certification fee. They haven't broken any laws at all, they ahve just completely circumvented them. Brilliant.

4. Since this deals with countries other than the US, including Great Briittain, Japan, China, Canada, the Neatherlandfs and the rest f the world, if the US goverment dosen't stop ilergal practices by Micrsoft, the United Naions will, and Bill Gates will wind up in a fedeal prison with POWs.

Unfortunately, Microsoft knows that at the moment it has the world over a barrel. Microsoft can just threaten to not provide Windows (as they have done and are doing during the antitrust trial); they know that there aren't any viable alternatives that can be quickly emplaced, and so the world would be at th ealmost total mercy of Microsoft.

I would hope that most countries other than the US are intelligent enough to realsie that placing your data in the hands of a company based in another country is a bad idea - but since Palladium is essentially viral, if it picks up enough momentum in the developed world (esp. America, which has more internet servers per capita than any country other than data havens), then Palladium will spread when people are told they need it in order to access their favourite websites, or whatever.


In short, Pallaidium will fall flat on it's ass the minute it starts, I hope you enjoy this, becauxse I'm now off to bitch to som people in congress ad send this thread to anyone I know who can make a differance against this. Remember, if I on't like what new PC's wll have on them, I won't buy one, if I can't get online in a year or two, than I'l sop using the net, Microsoft is not going to win this, and as for security in Palladium, don't make me laugh. If Viruses are easy at the Software level, all someone needs to do is to creat a "virus" that "overclocks" your Palladium chip and turns it into a nice crispy Piece of Crap, the M$ Certifcation will be cracked within minutes, and the Palladium chips will make Windows XP look like High-Quality Software. Also, you know that bad surge protector that keeps shorting out? Wathc the Palladium chips short out and kill your PC's. Either way M$ loses, even if they get there chips out, people will avoid them or destroy them, M$ has gotten into a catch 22, and they aren't going to get out easily if at all. The day the Paladium chips are released, turn all of your PC's off, watch as the few iditos who buy these POS's try and use them when there HP printers stop working, there copy of AOHel dosen't work, and there HDD fries. Then turn the news on the next day and watc the angry mobs at electroncis stores shoot the owners who sold the craap M$ put out, keep that in mind when you think aboutyour next PC as well.

I hope you're right, and I'm very glad to see you doing something about it. It's all very well to say 2oh it's all bollocks, it'll never happen", but if we all think this way and become complacent, then it most definitely will.

What's the Niemoller parphrase? Ah yes.

First they came for the space-shifters,
and I did not speak,
because I don't own a Diamond Rio.
Then they came for the DeCSS sites,
and I did not speak,
because I don't watch DVDs on a Linux box.
Then they came for Sean Fanning,
and I did not speak,
because I figured I'd just use Gnutella.
Then they came for my VCR.
Sorry, MPAA.
I'm writing my Congressman -- and I'm not alone yet.

P.S. - if Palladium does become the de facto standard, don't throw your old PC's away - a non Palladium machine will be worth thousands to the right buyer... :D

[Jonbo298]

I can just see it now. Ebay and Black Markets selling this piece of $hit for $5000! (Although, Ebay is on the net and that won't work). So, only the the Black Market:D

[sdtPikachu]

I can see it now... you know how Joeiss is always moaning about his computer....?

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Hey man, I got this sweeeeet computer for you!

Yeah? How so?

...No Palladium, dude.

You gotta be kidding! Man, that's illegal!

You interested?

You bet I am. I've hated Microsoft ever since they released All Your $$$$ Are Belong To Us 2010 Professional. So what's the spec?

Well, you got 2 gigs of storage space, and an OS that only crashes once an hour.

What? You got a non Palladium OS as well? Wow... I was just gonna try and get in touch with the Linux Resistance, but since Tommy got shot by the United Forces of Microsoft, I figured it wasn't worth the risk.

I'll even throw in some CD-ROMs of mp3's and games.

Whoah, you mean this thing can play mp3's as well? This truly is some hot sh1t.

It'll even record any old music CD's you've got, and let you burn them onto CD-R's

Nah, the Music Police took all my CD's and burnt them. Told me it was an insecure format and vulnerable to hackers, and I should upgrade to Gates Music Format. But that sucked, cos you could only get crap MOR.

Well, there's over 60 weeks of music on these CD's. There's games with blood and stuff in them as well.

Holy cr@p! So why are you selling this rig then? It's got like the best setup I've ever seen... I almost bought this guy who had a 38-6 or something? But he was arrested and sent away for "re-education" last week, so I missed out. How much?

It's cutiny my own throat, but I need 20,000 Micro$ to build my new rig.

You're building a new rig?

Yeah... I've managed to buy a soldering iron and everything. Even managed to get hold of some magnetic tape... it's gonna rock man!

[Jonbo298]

Oh man, that was good. It sounds soo what could happen if M$ gets things their way. But only 2 gigs of space? Thats not enough! Demand more! Demand!

[The_Dunadan]

where is the link to the article you posted first?