Next Xbox to be Revealed May 21st [Archive]

Vampyr

05-21-2013, 03:13 PM

So it's sounding like you will be required to install games from disc to the hard drive. once done, you won't need the disc any more.

However, if someone else wants to use the disc, they wil have to pay a "fee" (probably the price of the game).

If that's true, than the Xbox One is basically eliminating used game sells for their system.

BreakABone

05-21-2013, 04:05 PM

I think that the guy basically just confirmed they will continue charging for Xbox Live. He said "with the same membership you have now."

Pretty sure if it was going to be free they would have said so.

So....that's probably enough for me to get a PS4 instead.
From what I've been told, PlayStation Plus will lock online multiplayer behind a paywall as well
But at least they give you free games with it!

So it's sounding like you will be required to install games from disc to the hard drive. once done, you won't need the disc any more.

However, if someone else wants to use the disc, they wil have to pay a "fee" (probably the price of the game).

If that's true, than the Xbox One is basically eliminating used game sells for their system.

Yeah really not feeling a lot of MS' decisions in regards to games and stuff

Vampyr

05-21-2013, 04:26 PM

I haven't seen anything about PS+ locking multiplayer behind a subscription. Could be true, I just haven't seen anything from a credible source.

Either way I probably won't get either at launch. Launch games tend to be kind of crappy, and the hardware is especially fragile at this stage. Give it about 18 months and I may buy into one.

Bond

05-21-2013, 04:39 PM

All of the new consoles look rather terrible.

Also, apparently the new Xbox isn't backward compatible.

Vampyr

05-21-2013, 04:51 PM

Neither is the PS4.

Honestly backwards compatibility isn't a big thing to me. I so very rarely go back to older games anyway, and if I do I can just hook up my old system.

The PS4 is going to do something weird with that streaming service that they say will allow you play PS3 games. Not much details on it yet though.

TheGame

05-21-2013, 04:58 PM

I never had any intention of buying the next Xbox, and this conference didn't change anything. The voice control and hand gesture technology is very impressive, but I'm not a fan of either. The fantasy sports thing will be awesome for football season though

Angrist

05-21-2013, 05:04 PM

"Fantasy sports!"
And the whole world except NA was like "fantasy wut? o_O"

Bond

05-21-2013, 05:11 PM

Honestly backwards compatibility isn't a big thing to me. I so very rarely go back to older games anyway, and if I do I can just hook up my old system.
Actually, I agree. It's an important issue in the abstract, but in practice it is rare to play a game from a previous generation.

Jonbo298

05-21-2013, 06:33 PM

I hope E3 makes this more compelling. It all just felt 'meh' to me. Way too much focus on the non-gaming aspects. That's where the PS4 conference greatly excelled in. I can't get past the look of the Xbox One. A generic looking box and a controller that looks like Madcatz could have made it.

BreakABone

05-21-2013, 07:21 PM

I think all 3 offer some interesting ideas, but they are burdened with a lot of dumb/questionable design/choices.

Angrist

05-21-2013, 07:54 PM

Jason1

05-21-2013, 09:33 PM

WHY DO WE NEED TO TALK TO OUR ELECTRONICS! I hate this stupid shit. I don't want to have to tell my car to play a fucking song or tell my videogame console what I want to do. Its retarded, and I hate it.

Vampyr

05-21-2013, 09:57 PM

Am I the only one who thinks Xbox One sounds silly?
"What did you get? A Playstation Four? Oh wow... I only have an Xbox One."

But yeah, what they offer looks good... but I won't miss this in the coming 10 years. To me it looks like they're trying to pioneer this interactive TV thing... and I'm not sure it will pay off for them.
By the way, I didn't finish the conference so... does this thing still play games? Or is it just about TV now?

I think they're trying to play off the "all in one" thing. But yeah, not crazy about the name either.

It's been so long I think we've all forgotten that console launches usually kind of suck. XD

This is an especially interesting scenario though. The current generation probably has more market saturation than any before it. In addition, people's disposable income is more spread out among technology than it's ever been. During the last console cycle people weren't budgeting a few $100 a year towards a smart phone.

So basically console makers are asking game publishers to take a huge risk here: go from a heavily saturated market to a brand new one where people have less money to go around.

I don't think the sluggish start of the Wii U is going to be unique.

BreakABone

05-21-2013, 10:43 PM

I think they're trying to play off the "all in one" thing. But yeah, not crazy about the name either.

It's been so long I think we've all forgotten that console launches usually kind of suck. XD

This is an especially interesting scenario though. The current generation probably has more market saturation than any before it. In addition, people's disposable income is more spread out among technology than it's ever been. During the last console cycle people weren't budgeting a few $100 a year towards a smart phone.

So basically console makers are asking game publishers to take a huge risk here: go from a heavily saturated market to a brand new one where people have less money to go around.

I don't think the sluggish start of the Wii U is going to be unique.

I think most people have said that

But were brushed off for.. well Nintendo lacking compelling software at launch.. which is true.

I think two launching side by side will also be curious to watch

Angrist

05-22-2013, 11:20 AM

Did they confirm a launch date? How close is it to the PS4's?

Vampyr

05-22-2013, 11:24 AM

Neither have given a launch date yet.

BreakABone

05-22-2013, 01:18 PM

Did they confirm a launch date? How close is it to the PS4's?

They haven't given a date, but both have said end of the year.. which isn't a WIDE area to avoid each other.

TheSlyMoogle

05-23-2013, 02:24 AM

Personally I wasn't impressed with either.

Also it's gotten to the point where I rarely ever want to play anything on either console and PC just has everything I play anyway. I will probably just upgrade or build a new PC at the end of the year. I feel like that's a better way to spend my cash at this point.

Vampyr

05-23-2013, 09:57 AM

PC and 3DS are definitely my most used systems at this point, but there are some console exclusive games I like being able to play, like first party Nintendo stuff and some things on the Playstation like Uncharted and jRPG's.

But with a PC, games are on average much cheaper so you save money in the long run, and you can get an HDMI cable, hook your PC up to your TV, plug in a 360 controller, and play games on your couch if you want.

I actually bought a long HDMI cable that I ran from my PC to my TV, so it's super easy to switch.

BreakABone

05-23-2013, 01:36 PM

I was thinking of going PC/Wii U next gen myself as well. But going to wait until e3 to see what everyone is offering me

Bond

05-23-2013, 06:43 PM

But with a PC, games are on average much cheaper so you save money in the long run, and you can get an HDMI cable, hook your PC up to your TV, plug in a 360 controller, and play games on your couch if you want.

I actually bought a long HDMI cable that I ran from my PC to my TV, so it's super easy to switch.
Are there any resolution issues connecting your PC to TV?

Vampyr

05-23-2013, 07:54 PM

Nah, my monitor and TV both run at 1080.

Bond

05-23-2013, 09:28 PM

Would there be an issue if the TV runs at a higher resolution than the PC? I may do this ...

Vampyr

05-23-2013, 10:39 PM

You're TV is higher than 1080?

It really just depends on what your graphics card can output, but at worst it would just show the highest resolution possible.

Professor S

05-24-2013, 09:16 AM

The console is dead (and has been for a bit). Welcome to the era of the "family entertainment system" where games are just one service among many.

TheGame

05-26-2013, 03:04 AM

The console is dead (and has been for a bit). Welcome to the era of the "family entertainment system" where games are just one service among many.

Though the gaming feature will likely make or break the system sales wise. The more I think about it, it makes me wonder why they even bother too add all of the other BS. I hope all that Kinnect and voice activated crap for the Xbox One is an optional add on and they still sell a core gaming system

BreakABone

05-26-2013, 09:50 AM

The console is dead (and has been for a bit). Welcome to the era of the "family entertainment system" where games are just one service among many.
I don't necessarily mind that
I use my consoles as Netflix/movie players as it is.
And don't mind the functions MS announced.. even though not sure who it is targeting.

I just felt was an odd way to debut the console because this is what folks associate it with now.

Who knows in 2 weeks can blow us away with amazing games.

Though the gaming feature will likely make or break the system sales wise. The more I think about it, it makes me wonder why they even bother too add all of the other BS. I hope all that Kinnect and voice activated crap for the Xbox One is an optional add on and they still sell a core gaming system

The Kinect is mandatory.. it's even mandatory for you to turn on the console I believe.

TheGame

05-26-2013, 03:44 PM

The Kinect is mandatory.. it's even mandatory for you to turn on the console I believe.

The technology they're adding isn't appealing to me at all. Right now I'm kinda hoping Ps4 mauls this thing. And I hope the main complaints about Xbox One come from the Kinnect, online requirement, blocking of used games (assuming MS doesn't backpeddal) and the online subscription fees. I don't want Sony thinking its okay to add that stuff too

Vampyr

05-26-2013, 04:06 PM

MS has been backpedaling and repedaling and backpedaling again. "Official" statements keep coming out that completely contradict what the last statement said.

TheGame

05-26-2013, 04:11 PM

MS has been backpedaling and repedaling and backpedaling again. "Official" statements keep coming out that completely contradict what the last statement said.

I've noticed that lol. What that tells me is that they WANT to charge a fee for used games, but they don't like the negative press so they're trying to hide it and/or sugar coat it.

BreakABone

05-26-2013, 08:03 PM

The technology they're adding isn't appealing to me at all. Right now I'm kinda hoping Ps4 mauls this thing. And I hope the main complaints about Xbox One come from the Kinnect, online requirement, blocking of used games (assuming MS doesn't backpeddal) and the online subscription fees. I don't want Sony thinking its okay to add that stuff too
The latest is that Sony has been considering similar measures

It's pressures from major publishers I have to imagine

MS has been backpedaling and repedaling and backpedaling again. "Official" statements keep coming out that completely contradict what the last statement said.

And this has been the biggest problem this week, MS has been unable to deliver a clear and concise message all week

TheGame

05-27-2013, 02:08 AM

The latest is that Sony has been considering similar measures

It's pressures from major publishers I have to imagine

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-02-21-playstation-4-does-not-require-an-internet-connection

If online isn't actually a requirement, then there would be no way to enforce fees on used games. This may just be word play on Sony's part though.

There is a very real possibility they'll have monthy subscription fees for online gaming, unfortunately that panned out very well for Microsoft. But there's still hope that it won't be required.

As for what I call 'Big Brother' technology (aka Kinnect).. something in your livingroom always watching and listening to you... I hope Sony stays far away from that.

BreakABone

05-27-2013, 10:02 AM

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-02-21-playstation-4-does-not-require-an-internet-connection

If online isn't actually a requirement, then there would be no way to enforce fees on used games. This may just be word play on Sony's part though.

There is a very real possibility they'll have monthy subscription fees for online gaming, unfortunately that panned out very well for Microsoft. But there's still hope that it won't be required.

As for what I call 'Big Brother' technology (aka Kinnect).. something in your livingroom always watching and listening to you... I hope Sony stays far away from that.

Online isn't required for Xbox either.. you just need to check-in at times.. Sony can have a similar system.

Like if you sign onto PSN, it checks to make sure legit version of the game!

Anyhow, if you want to hear more of my thoughts, should check out this week's podcast. Nearly 2 hours of Xbox One talk
http://nerdsontherocks.com/dual-wielding-111-xbox-destiny

TheGame

05-27-2013, 12:28 PM

Online isn't required for Xbox either..

http://news.xbox.com/2013/05/qa

Q: Does Xbox One require an “always on” Internet connection?
A: No, it does not have to be always connected, but Xbox One does require a connection to the Internet. We’re designing Xbox One to be your all-in-one entertainment system that is connected to the cloud and always ready. We are also designing it so you can play games and watch Blu-ray movies and live TV if you lose your connection.

Actually it does require a connection, it just doesn't have to be always on. The assumption is that when you put a new game in, you'll be required to authenicate it online. After that is done, you'll no longer need to be connected. (which is how they could easilly enforce the fees on used games)

That's not to say Sony won't require it either, like I said before it could just be very clever word play on their part. But as it stands right now, it's confirmed the internet is required on the Xbox One.. and Sony is saying very long winded "no"s that don't close the door to the possibility that it's the same as Xbox One.

IGNs chart still lists the online requirement for Ps4 to No, and Xbox One to yes.

http://www.ign.com/wikis/xbox-one/PS4_vs._Xbox_One_vs._Wii_U_Comparison_Chart

-EDIT-

Someone needs to ask both companies directly at E3 this question "If a customer brings home a new Ps4/XOne game, can they just put it in their system and play it without being connected to the internet? Or will the system require you to connect before allowing gameplay?"

Bond

05-27-2013, 01:33 PM

Let's just wait and see how all the facts pan out. It's not like any of these consoles are going to be worth buying at launch. I had legitimately forgotten the Wii U was even released last November.

Jason1

05-27-2013, 10:15 PM

The Kinect is mandatory.. it's even mandatory for you to turn on the console I believe.

See, this is dumb. If I have to tell my system to turn itself on an use hand gestures to navigate to what I want it to do, this is a deal breaker for me. I simply don't like / dont understand the sudden craze of talking to our cars / electronics. I just want to press an on and off button like the old days.

I was very much more likely to purchase a PS4 than an Xbox One even before this announcement because Sony has better exclusives. But this is the nail in the coffin for me.

I will eventually be a PC / WIIU / PS4 purchaser this generation. My Current PC is still pretty strong in terms of gaming, and I think the next console I purchase will likely be a WiiU. PS4 will be a holiday 2014 purchase for me. But that all could change.

TheGame

06-03-2013, 04:28 PM

http://www.kotaku.com.au/2013/05/why-microsoft-wont-use-the-xbox-one-to-become-big-brother-but-wont-tell-us-how/

I sense a disaster coming for MS. As long as the system can't be operated without the Kinnect, people will continue complaining (me being one of them)

BreakABone

06-06-2013, 08:41 PM

Well they have confirmed most of the details and some is as bad as expected while others are bad but could be worse

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/main

Some highlights
-No loaning/renting games at launch. May look into it down the line
-Need to connect to their servers at least once every 24 hours to play games.
-Trade-ins allowed to a certain degree. Only through certain retailers, and only if the publishers allow it.
-Publishers may also charge a fee for buying a used game.
-Can only "lend" a physical game once. Once you do, it's removed from your account and you lose ownership. And must have been friends for 30 days.
-Can play any of your games on any Xbox One using your account. But need to check in every hour.
-Can share your account with up to 10 people... This is kind of vague

Think those are the highlights.

Vampyr

06-07-2013, 10:26 AM

I'm willing to bet there will be some crazy restrictions on that last one. Like, you all have to be on the same Xbox family plan or something and have connected from the home xbox in the last 24 hours.

No thanks. I don't want to have to pull out a flow chart when I want to figure out how to lend a game or resell it.

Also, used games sells left up to the publisher. Might as well have disabled used game sales.

Combine 017

06-07-2013, 05:15 PM

NeXtbox is looking like its going to be not very good, whichs begs the question, why do I have to like Halo so much!? :'(

Vampyr

06-07-2013, 08:25 PM

The two really big MS exclusives, Gears of War and Halo, are both series that I'm just done with at this point. Those games will not sell me a console anymore.

Meanwhile Sony has Naughty dog in their pocket plus several JRPG developers that I like.

Bond

06-07-2013, 08:41 PM

Well, that is some bullshit. This may be where the industry is moving though.

TheGame

06-10-2013, 04:08 AM

Well, that is some bullshit. This may be where the industry is moving though.

It may be, just depends on how sucsessful this system is. Which is why I hope it fails.. since I don't want the industry to go in that direction.

Hopefully Sony doesn't adapt to too much of the same.

Vampyr

06-10-2013, 09:52 AM

Reminding everyone...the Wii U is already out and we can confirm doesn't do any of these things. :p

TheGame

06-10-2013, 12:37 PM

Reminding everyone...the Wii U is already out and we can confirm doesn't do any of these things. :p

But nobody cares about Wii U hahahah

Vampyr

06-10-2013, 12:49 PM

But nobody cares about Wii U hahahah

They will. :)

True there's not a lot of reason to have one now (unless you did play some of the big games from the last year, ME3, AC3, Batman, Darksiders, etc) but pretty soon Nintendo is going to hit their stride with first party stuff.

Same with the 3DS. Started off very weak, but it's my favorite system right now. I play it every day.

Angrist

06-10-2013, 01:56 PM

I have faith that the Wii U will do great. Maybe the coming year won't have much 3rd party support, but so far the first party line-up is looking great. By then, third parties will notice the machine as well.

I'm not worried and I'm really looking forward to the presentation tomorrow.

BreakABone

06-10-2013, 02:24 PM

Well it helps when your competition is giving you a hand

Microsoft announced that the Xbox One will launch in November for 500 bucks.
Which worked so well for the Ps3!

TheGame

06-10-2013, 02:37 PM

Well it helps when your competition is giving you a hand

Microsoft announced that the Xbox One will launch in November for 500 bucks.
Which worked so well for the Ps3!

Ps3 passed up 360 worldwide (again), and chances are it will end up ahead by a large margin lol. And it only sold about 80 million less than Ps2. Not too bad!!! lol

Sony has seriously been handed a golden oppertunity to take over again. Sony (seems) to have learned from their Ps3 mistakes.. but Microsoft looked at things completly different it seems.

Vampyr

06-10-2013, 04:41 PM

I wonder how much of that price is contributed by the Kinect.

If PS4 comes in at $399...that would be a huge deal. I've heard some speculation it could do $350, but that sounds really wishful.

BreakABone

06-10-2013, 04:43 PM

I wonder how much of that price is contributed by the Kinect.

If PS4 comes in at $399...that would be a huge deal. I've heard some speculation it could do $350, but that sounds really wishful.

As long as they can get it to 400 they will be in a good position

i do hope they avoid multiple SKUs.. I hate those

Vampyr

06-19-2013, 03:55 PM

http://www.giantbomb.com/articles/microsoft-to-pull-complete-reversal-on-xbox-one-dr/1100-4673/

Microsoft is apparently pulling back on every aspect of their DRM.

That's interesting and unexpected.

BreakABone

06-19-2013, 04:56 PM

MS has backtracked on all of their policies

http://majornelson.com/2013/06/19/your-feedback-matters-update-on-xbox-one/

Angrist

06-19-2013, 06:38 PM

Yeah, I'm still not trusting them with my money.

Combine 017

06-19-2013, 08:07 PM

MS has backtracked on all of their policies

http://majornelson.com/2013/06/19/your-feedback-matters-update-on-xbox-one/

I dont know about all of them. Is a Kinect still required to be able to use the xbox?

Yeah, I'm still not trusting them with my money.

Like you were going to before. :p

Vampyr

06-19-2013, 08:59 PM

I dont know about all of them. Is a Kinect still required to be able to use the xbox?

Like you were going to before. :p

It probably will be - they want to be able to guarantee to developers that every user will have one.

TheGame

06-19-2013, 09:24 PM

That's awesome. Now they just have to allow you to use the system with the kinnect unplugged/disabled and I'll wish them all the luck in the world.

Bond

06-20-2013, 09:57 AM

Well, this is good news. I still think the pricepoint is too high, though.

Vampyr

06-20-2013, 10:29 AM

Yeah, I just have zero interest in kinect, and I assume that's where the extra price is coming from...so no way can I justify buying a more expensive system for a peripheral that I don't want.

Vampyr

06-20-2013, 10:44 PM

BreakABone

06-20-2013, 11:15 PM

It's still a rumor at this stage, but it's been confirmed by some pretty reliable "leakers" that the family plan sharing feature originally part of the Xbox One DRM would have only been 60 minute demos.

It was confirmed by crazy buttocks, I'm gonna take it as gospel

And I dont get it.. it was just a fancy.. and convoluted demo

Vampyr

06-22-2013, 08:18 AM

Convoluted was the name of the game for Xbox One DRM.

Some microsoft people have come out and said it was not demos, but you could in fact share complete games...but they have no reason to say it wasn't that, at this point.

I just can't see any publisher being okay with 1 person buying a game and 9 other people getting access for free.

Professor S

06-23-2013, 03:55 PM

This is a decent amateur interview with Major Nelson at E3 where he refers to the sharing policy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RtSGFryKwo&feature=c4-overview&list=UUsgv2QHkT2ljEixyulzOnUQ

Personally, I'm leaning toward the PS4, but I have a 3 year old and I can see where Kinect could be a ton of fun for the family.