Game of Thrones Season 2

[Vampyr]

Weeelll, what does everyone think about the first episode?

[Angrist]

Screw this. There is no "Game of Thrones season 2".

It's either "A Song of Ice and Fire season 2" or "A Clash of Kings".

[Vampyr]

The TV show is in fact called Game of Thrones.

[Angrist]

I know I know.... I just mean it's stupid and illogical.

[Teuthida]

Feels so good to be back in this world again. I do ask that you kind gentlemen use spoiler codes for anything book related no matter how small. I'm terrified to enter any discussion anywhere else about this show.

[Angrist]

Well everybody dies.

[Typhoid]

I know I know.... I just mean it's stupid and illogical.

I don't know - it's sort of all about that Throne, is it not. :confused:
Like a giant game...for the throne. A...game of thrones, if you will.




Anyways - good episode. Great episode.

One of my favourite parts was when Bran was out with _____, and ______ (I didn't read the books, so I'm bad with minor-character names), and there is the red comet above them, and Bran says what he anecdotally thinks it is, and the chick is all "Phfff, that's so preposterous. Some people also think it means Lannister Red. Your stable boys think it means blood. You're all stupid and illogical. What it really is, is Dragons."

[BreakABone]

Good start, no one does endings like this show.

Also
"Knowledge is power."
Scene
"Power is power"

[DarkMaster]

Calling the series Game of Thrones and not renaming each season to match the books makes perfect sense and would actually be completely asinine to change the name of what will be an established brand. Also the entire series of books up until the most recent 5th book is all about, quite literally, a game of thrones, and the term is really a metaphor for life in general, as well.

[Swan]

And the phrase "Game of Thrones is used a few times in each book.

[Angrist]

And I guess A Song of Ice and Fire is too kiddy for the tough guys who think they know the universe.

[Vampyr]

And I guess A Song of Ice and Fire is too kiddy for the tough guys who think they know the universe.

Has nothing to do with being kiddy, it's just an overly long and hard to remember (is "Ice" before or after "Fire")? And doesn't say anything at all about what the show is about.

Also using the phrase "a song" is more applicable to the written word than it is to film, in my opinion.

[Angrist]

And yet the Ice and Fire theme grows in each book, while the Game of Thrones grows less and less important. You can already see that in book 3 (which is the last one I read).

[Typhoid]

To be fair Angrist, you're on book 3 of 7 - and you're saying:

And I guess A Song of Ice and Fire is too kiddy for the tough guys who think they know the universe.

You're not even halfway through the Universe.

[Professor S]

It's called BRANDING, people; creating a recognizable brand name that people can hang their hat on and HBO can further monetize through licensing and merchandizing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brand

[BreakABone]

It's called BRANDING, people; creating a recognizable brand name that people can hang their hat on and HBO can further monetize through licensing and merchandizing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brand

Yeah, its no different.. than the Twilight series which I believe all have different names, but keep Twilight so people know part of the saga.

And really.. who cares?

I mean changing the name wouldn't make a world of difference unless you are really really anal.

[Teuthida]

Or True Blood when the books are called The Southern Vampire Mysteries or The Sookie Stackhouse Novels.

This is a fun game. I demand more!

[DarkMaster]

Episode 2 was released early on HBO Go in Poland, I have found it online and watched it. As a reader of the books, I thought it was fucking great. This is going to be an incredible season.

[Angrist]

To be fair Angrist, you're on book 3 of 7.
You're not even halfway through the Universe.
I read 3 of the 5 available books. I decided not to touch the books before book 7 is (almost) done. I don't want to keep rereading the first books to refresh my memory every time a book comes out. And I'm too afraid that the guy will die before he finishes his series.

So my brother read book 4, he and others say that pretty much nothing important happens in it. So I think it's safe to say that I have read 3/4 of the currently known universe.
I'm not saying I fully know the universe, but I'll say that I know it better than all the new fans who've only seen the series season 1. (Except maybe for all the silly details.)

So did you read the books? Do you disagree with what I said, that it's more and more about Ice and Fire and less about the Game of Thrones?

Yeah, its no different.. than the Twilight series which I believe all have different names, but keep Twilight so people know part of the saga.
And really.. who cares?At least the Twilight series keeps using the book titles as subtitles.
I honestly have no idea so I have to ask: does A Game of Thrones season 2 have the subtitle "A Clash of Kings"?

[Typhoid]

So did you read the books? Do you disagree with what I said, that it's more and more about Ice and Fire and less about the Game of Thrones?

I haven't read the books. That was beyond my point - which was more "You're not in any better of a position than the people you were talking down to considering you haven't finished the Universe, either." with your

And I guess A Song of Ice and Fire is too kiddy for the tough guys who think they know the universe. comment.


Maybe in the books you haven't read - The Throne, and vying for control of the entire area is a major theme again - you wouldn't know, because you're only halfway through.

I'm not saying you're wrong, or anything like that - I'm definitely not really in any better position than you. Just that in not having finished 'the universe' yet, I doubt you're hardly in any position to judge the other likers of that series on what the title should be in relation to the theme, because at most you're either 2 books behind them (with 2 more to go), or 2 books ahead of them.

I will answer your original question though, even though it's moot because I haven't read the books - but as for watching Season 1, I can 100% understand why they chose the name "Game of Thrones" - because everyone is vying for control of that throne. The 'game' is the leniency they throw eachothers' lives away with all for control of a throne. Maybe not the Iron Throne. But as said in the last episode "There's a King in every corner."

"A song of Ice and Fire" makes very little sense for the show. First of all it sounds very dainty, and yes - this obviously matters especially when trying to sell your product to North America. Secondly, there has so far been very little singing, and not a whole lot of fire or ice aside from snow and stoves. Imagine The Walking Dead with no dead people walking around for an entire season. Imagine the characters in Lost knowing exactly where they were at all times.
I will clarify: That is tongue-in-cheek.
"A song of ice and fire" sort of implies some type of (if not sung) medium that you can read - which makes perfect sense for a book. Plus in being 7 books, you need a main title and then sub-titles for each book, because you can't really title your books "Book 1", "Book 2". However for shows, you cannot change the title of your TV show every year simply for continuity with the die-hard market. But you however can title your shows "Season 1", and "Season 2". The difference is that shows are cyclical, and the book is not. There are going to be 7 books. There are already 11 episodes. You need to be able to easily categorize the stuff for the fans and make it as easily recognizable as possible to as many people as possible for as long as possible.

[Angrist]

I've learned not to go into discussion with you. :) Yes you have a point just because you want to make a point. You can make this same point in any situation without having any clue what's going on. That's the nature of your point. No use arguing against that.

[Vampyr]

This is just a dumb thing to be discussing instead of the actual show.

[Angrist]

I don't watch the show, so this is the best thing I can do. :D But ok, carry on.

[Ginkasa]

So did you read the books? Do you disagree with what I said, that it's more and more about Ice and Fire and less about the Game of Thrones?


I have read all of the books (multiple times except for ADwD) and while the war depicted in the end of AGoT through ASoS is mostly over, you still have plenty of people trying to win one throne or another through at least politics if not a drag out, bloody war.

That'll be TWoW.

Also, I don't really mind that the show took the "Game of Thrones" title instead of "A Song of Ice and Fire" overall.

[Swan]

The show tends to downplay Ice and Fire, at least for the first book/movie. The wolves have a much smaller part and it looks like they will be played up more this season.

[Ginkasa]

Supposedly that was just due to the logistics of it. The dogs they were using were a type that wouldn't train very well, or something, so they couldn't do as much with them. But really, overall, the whole "ice and fire" thing wasn't a very big part of AGoT the book anyway. Even with ADwD, it only feels like its starting to get to the point where the title makes sense, so...

[Angrist]

They should just have gone for CGI dire wolves. :D No real wolf/dog is coming close to the size of a dire wolf.
But then again, most CGI stuff looks really bad, especially on shows.

[Vampyr]

They should just have gone for CGI dire wolves. :D No real wolf/dog is coming close to the size of a dire wolf.
But then again, most CGI stuff looks really bad, especially on shows.

They did some kind of trick with perspective or something in the last episode. Robb's wolf was almost as tall as he was.

[Angrist]

Nice! :D

(By the way, in case you wonder why I care about the show: I plan on watching all seasons when I've read all the books... so that's probably in 6-9 years.)

[Typhoid]

This is just a dumb thing to be discussing instead of the actual show.


Because I was involved.
I noticed before when you were talking about it, and Strangler commented on it - and after I talked about it - when two other people commented on it, it was completely accepted. :lol:
No matter what I say this forum will disagree.
I'll be pro-abortion and there'd be a "Wait a minute, let's not throw the life of a child away, here, you asshole", but if I say pro-life it would be "Let those women make their own choice, you dick." Eeeeeeoooore.
^
That was just joke, comrade, no need to reply.
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I will now keep my posts very short.

I internetted it, and the Direwolves are CGI. Wolves look good, very real.
Good wolves.
Show is good.
Excited for Sunday.

*shrugs and walks away*

[Vampyr]

Because I was involved.
I noticed before when you were talking about it, and Strangler commented on it - and after I talked about it - when two other people commented on it, it was completely accepted. :lol:
No matter what I say this forum will disagree.
I'll be pro-abortion and there'd be a "Wait a minute, let's not throw the life of a child away, here, you asshole", but if I say pro-life it would be "Let those women make their own choice, you dick." Eeeeeeoooore.
^
That was just joke, comrade, no need to reply.
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I will now keep my posts very short.

I internetted it, and the Direwolves are CGI. Wolves look good, very real.
Good wolves.
Show is good.
Excited for Sunday.

*shrugs and walks away*

It had nothing to do with you being involved, it had to do with how long it went on for without any other lines of discussion coming up.

I felt like after everything we said, you included, Angrist would have dropped the non-issue.

[Angrist]

I internetted it, and the Direwolves are CGI. Wolves look good, very real.
Good wolves.[/i]Yeah, my friends who watch the show also thought they were CGI, but really good ones.

[Dylflon]

I don't watch the show, so this is the best thing I can do. :D But ok, carry on.

I know it's a free internet and all that, but if you're not watching the show, why are you bitching about the show in this thread?

That's just obnoxious. Especially since A Song of Ice and Fire would be a shitty name for a TV show. It's kind of a bad name for the series of books even.

[ZebraRampage]

I thought that the first episode was pretty good, but this season had best be longer than 10 episodes if they want to fit in all of the necessary details. This book has a few more plot lines than AGoT.


Has anyone else wondered what's going to happen when the HBO series gets to AFFC and aDwD? Since the two books split the characters up, it might be hard to potray that on the screen. I have a feeling that they're going to combine the two books to match chronologically. Martin only wrote them like that because the 4th book would be too long if he had all of the plot lines laid out in one book.

[Typhoid]

Has anyone else wondered what's going to happen when the HBO series gets to AFFC and aDwD? Since the two books split the characters up, it might be hard to potray that on the screen. I have a feeling that they're going to combine the two books to match chronologically. Martin only wrote them like that because the 4th book would be too long if he had all of the plot lines laid out in one book.


What I've gathered from overhearing those who've read them is that the show will be more chronological, and things from later books will happen earlier in the show if that's when they actually happen in the book.
I remember overhearing that the show will not be "book for book", but rather the entire timeline as it is meant to be. So things from the 3rd book might have happened in Season 1, or will happen in Season 2 simply because that's when they're meant to be happening. Like I said though, I haven't read the books and I'm only basing that on what I've heard from those who have.

[Ginkasa]

I thought that the first episode was pretty good, but this season had best be longer than 10 episodes if they want to fit in all of the necessary details. This book has a few more plot lines than AGoT.


Has anyone else wondered what's going to happen when the HBO series gets to AFFC and aDwD? Since the two books split the characters up, it might be hard to potray that on the screen. I have a feeling that they're going to combine the two books to match chronologically. Martin only wrote them like that because the 4th book would be too long if he had all of the plot lines laid out in one book.


I'm pretty sure its been confirmed that, assuming the series make it that far, those two books will be combined over multiple seasons. They've also generally agreed that ASoS and on will probably take more than one season per book, so...

[Angrist]

I'm just afraid that the last 2 books won't be ready before they're ready to make those seasons. They'll either have to wait a few years for him to finish the books... or they'll make it based on a general description from Martin, while he'll finish the books later.

[Vampyr]

I'm more worried that he's going to die before he ever finishes.

[Ginkasa]

I'm just afraid that the last 2 books won't be ready before they're ready to make those seasons. They'll either have to wait a few years for him to finish the books... or they'll make it based on a general description from Martin, while he'll finish the books later.


Let's see (assuming they do split later books into two seasons)...

ASoS pt.1: 2013
ASoS pt. 2: 2014
"AFfC" pt. 1: 2015
"AFfC" pt. 2: 2016
"ADwD" pt. 1: 2017
"ADwD" pt. 2: 2018

So, it'll probably be six years before the TV show gets to the point the books are at and that's assuming they don't split later books into more than 2 seasons as has also been suggested. There was a 5 year gap between ASoS and AFfC and a 6 year gap between AFfC and ADwD, so there could be room for concern.

However, GRRM apparently had several issues getting those two books written. I don't want to go into details due to inadvertent spoilers, but suffice to say those issues are supposedly taken care of. We've gotten past the point that GRRM was stuck at for so long, so there should theoretically be a smaller wait for TWoW and then again for ADoS.

Anyway, like Vampyr said, its more likely that GRRM will up and die before the series is finished ("pull a Jordan" if you like tasteless references to dead authors).

[Angrist]

Hm why do you assume they'll split books into two seasons? Did they mention that?
I think that would maybe be stretching it too thin... especially considering that AFfC and ADwD were originally just 1.5 book.
I also heard from others that there's not too much happening in A Feast for Crows. Hopefully ADwD made up for it?

[Ginkasa]

GRRM and the showrunners have discussed it. Also, stuff happens in AFfC, its just not on the scale of ASoS or with the characters most people wanted to see.

[ZebraRampage]

Everything about this season seems kind of thrown together. Were the scenes for each character a little bit longer in season 1, or am I imagining things? I know that there are more plot lines in A Clash of Kings.

[Typhoid]

I praise this shows use of naked ladies being naked as much as nakedly possible.

[Vampyr]

Everything about this season seems kind of thrown together. Were the scenes for each character a little bit longer in season 1, or am I imagining things? I know that there are more plot lines in A Clash of Kings.

I think you answered your own question there. There are a lot of plot lines to deal with at once. I imagine as the season goes on they'll focus in on a few of them. Dany, for example, has had relatively little screen time so far. But some big things happen to her in this book.

[Dylflon]

Everything about this season seems kind of thrown together. Were the scenes for each character a little bit longer in season 1, or am I imagining things? I know that there are more plot lines in A Clash of Kings.

Last season, more characters were together so it didn't feel so spread out to switch between them. With everybody being separated now, it's going to feel more like you're just getting little snippets here and there.

[BreakABone]

Does anyone know how long this season is?

Is it the same 10 eps?

[DarkMaster]

10 episodes, yea. Confirmed season 3 too.

[Professor S]

Soooo... this past episode has me wondering...

Why did the priestess of "light" shit a black could out of her vagina?

No actual spoilers please, I just found that part to be VERY interesting.

[Teuthida]

She did say something before about shadows being the servants of light and the children of fire.

[Professor S]

She did say something before about shadows being the servants of light and the children of fire.

Ok, that makes more sense then. I'm curious to see where the first real fantasy element (besides baby dragons) takes the story.

[DarkMaster]

I've been waiting patiently to see that moment no screen, and holy shit did it deliver.

Shadows are the servants of light, exactly. And also if you remember, Stannis had sex with her and this is the offspring. Basically the dragons returning to the world is bringing rise to magic, which was long forgotten to be real, just like the "Others" beyond the Wall that no one wants to believe exist. Ice and Fire!

I have a bunch of dumb friends who haven't read the book and spoiled themselves online to find out what purpose the shadow baby has. Don't do this to yourself...

[Vampyr]

I've been waiting patiently to see that moment no screen, and holy shit did it deliver.

Shadows are the servants of light, exactly. And also if you remember, Stannis had sex with her and this is the offspring. Basically the dragons returning to the world is bringing rise to magic, which was long forgotten to be real, just like the "Others" beyond the Wall that no one wants to believe exist. Ice and Fire!

I have a bunch of dumb friends who haven't read the book and spoiled themselves online to find out what purpose the shadow baby has. Don't do this to yourself...

I had to convince my wife to not look anything up. Can't wait for the next episode.

[Angrist]

Every time I read your comments, I realize how little I still remember from the books. But I do remember more and more magic coming into the world. :)

[Teuthida]

I have a bunch of dumb friends who haven't read the book and spoiled themselves online to find out what purpose the shadow baby has. Don't do this to yourself...

This is the only show I refuse to ever visit the IMDbs forums for.

[Typhoid]

I don't plan on spoiler-ing myself on what the whole smoke monster is about.
Although that was one long queef she had going there.

But I'm 100% assuming it's just going to lay waste to the entire army. Just spread out like a fog and choke them all or something crazy like that. Maybe something more epic. Some type of unpredictable explosion would be neat.

[Angrist]

Oooooooooooooooooooooooh I remember now!!!! :D Haha, I've had this vague picture in my head ever since you wrote about that scene... Suddenly I remembered what that picture is.

But I don't think it's going to happen in the next episodes? Hm I could be confusing things here.... Oh well, whatever.

[BreakABone]

Just another reason to think gingers are evil.

Spawning.. shadow children!

[Angrist]

The actress is Dutch by the way. And she's not a natural ginger.

[Swan]

Honestly I preferred how it was handled in the book. Don't even think about reading this if you haven't read the books.

Basically I liked how in the book when the shadow first shows up and kills Renly, it is the first time really hearing about it. You figure it is Stannis and has something to do with Red Woman but you don't know for sure. Kind of left you guessing more. Opposed to seeing it first then guess what it will do. I honestly think having Renly murdered by a never before seen shadow would have been so much more bad asss

[Ginkasa]

10 episodes, yea. Confirmed season 3 too.


Just wanted to add that its also been confirmed that season 3 will not contain the whole of A Storm of Swords. The shows frontrunners have been quoted as saying that they don't see each season as an adaptation of each book, but rather each season is simply a part of their adaptation of the whole "A Song of Ice and Fire" series.

[Angrist]

Probably because Martin needs time to write his last books. :p

[DarkMaster]

Actually I read an interview with the show's writers/producers where they explained that Martin has gone over with them the entire length of the story and all the major events leading up to the ending. They've teased that they know how the story ends, and so the show will work its way towards that ending with or without the final books.

[Professor S]

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[Typhoid]

Good episode.
+1 relevant post.

[Typhoid]

Horrible episode. This show just keeps getting worse and worse.
Peter Dinklage is the worst actor in the world!
The story is so boring and bland.

[Vampyr]

This episode was quite different from the books.

That hasn't really happened before.

I don't know what to think.

[Typhoid]

My post was a lie.
I just wanted to see if people still watched the show and read this thread.

It wasn't highly memorable, but I didn't dislike it.

I did hear the same complaint from peeps who read the book, who I watched the show with. Well, not so much complaints but just comments that it differed from the book.

One of them justified it that the writer of the book told them to do it, as a hindsight correction to his own story. Sort of like how the young characters are scaled up in age; he said if he could re-write it for the book, he'd make them all the age they are in the show.

[Vampyr]

My post was a lie.
I just wanted to see if people still watched the show and read this thread.

It wasn't highly memorable, but I didn't dislike it.

I did hear the same complaint from peeps who read the book, who I watched the show with. Well, not so much complaints but just comments that it differed from the book.

One of them justified it that the writer of the book told them to do it, as a hindsight correction to his own story. Sort of like how the young characters are scaled up in age; he said if he could re-write it for the book, he'd make them all the age they are in the show.

Heh, that's interesting - my wife and I were just talking a few days ago about how in the books it seemed like he didn't really understand how people that young actually acted or thought. The characters in the books always felt several years older than he said they were.

I'm not too bothered about it being different from the books, I'm sure it will be interesting regardless.

[Typhoid]

Since I haven't read the books; what exactly was different?

Just the timing of events, or specific events? Just throw up some spoiler tags.

[Vampyr]

Since I haven't read the books; what exactly was different?

Just the timing of events, or specific events? Just throw up some spoiler tags.

Little bit of all of that.


Bran and Rickon are supposed to be hiding in the tomb below the castle. They don't escape until much later.

Jon doesn't meet the wildling girl until much later, after "joining" the wildlings. She doesn't know he is from night's watch.

The dragons don't get stolen.

Arya doesn't get almost found out, and doesn't have that guy kill the person he did.

[DarkMaster]

The changes are totally not big at all and are completely blown out of proportion by die-hard fans who have been living with this story for over a decade. The truth is, there's a ton of fat being trimmed from the books, and rightfully so. Some events that happen a bit later are happening a bit sooner, and vice versa. Changes like the dragons being stolen really don't impact the story at all, it just creates a bit of extra drama for TV, and lets be honest here Dany's story in the second book is boring as hell, she barely does anything, and literally has only 5 chapters in the entire book. They're making her story a bit more interesting, thank god

This was a masterful episode. Completely awesome, with surprises even for a book reader like myself. I thought it was easily one of the best of the entire series so far and the mention of the Bastard of Bolton chills my fucking blood and excites me greatly for what is to come.

[Vampyr]

Just so you know I wasn't complaining at all, I don't really care what they do as long as it's interesting. I can't wait for the book 3 Dany stuff to happen. (I think that's in book 3...maybe in the end of book 2).

The one thing that is kind of significant is that the Wildling girl knows who Snow is. That was pretty suspenseful in the book - you really feel sorry for the girl and wonder how Jon is going to deal with telling her.

[DarkMaster]

Sorry didn't mean to make it sound like it was you complaining, I meant fans in general, like I see them all over the internet, plaguing every forum, making it completely insufferable to have any kind of decent conversation about the show.

About your spoiler: it's been a long time since I read this book, but the way it happened in the show, is pretty much how I remembered it happening. I guess I'm probably wrong, but I totally thought it was legit. Didn't she call him a crow every now and then? All the dudes in the wildling camps hated him because they knew he was a crow, they all taunted him and she'd stand up for him, from what I recall. Also when they fuck for the first time, she was all like "is this how boys do it down south?" or something. The way I remember it, she falls in love with a guy who has converted from being a man of the night's watch, proving himself by killing Qorin, and she genuinely believed he wanted to live as a wildling.

[Vampyr]

Hmm, yeah, I think you're right. It's been so long since I read that book I can barely remember what happens.

I just knew watching the last episode that something felt off, but I wasn't 100% what it was.

[Angrist]

Didn't she call it a kingly kiss or royal kiss or something?

[Professor S]

This is why I'm not reading the books until the series ends. I don't want my experience convoluted by divergent story lines. I loved the last episode, even though it suffered from a severe lack of Dinklage.

[Vampyr]

It made up for it with an abundance of Sandor.

[Typhoid]

This is why I'm not reading the books until the series ends.

100% this.
Plus, I personally think it would be a lot neater to read what the characters are thinking after having seen what they've done and how they've acted, and all the choices they've made.

Unless the show drastically differs from the books in the future, then that becomes entirely pointless.

[ZebraRampage]

Okay, I just finished reading all of the books less than a month ago after starting them in November, so I'll fill you guys in with what really happened in the books as opposed to what happened in the show.


Jon Snow is made to kill Ygritte after they kill the other wildings that are with her, but she gets away and he doesn't chase after her. He goes back with his companions. I won't say what happens after that because it would spoil the rest of what happens in the Frostfangs.

As Vampyr said about Bran and Rickon, they hide in the crypt and escape later, but a lot of other stuff happens at Winterfell that probably won't be addressed, and there was a conversation between Robb Stark and Roose Bolton(of the Dreadfort) that covered for this.

Also, before Theon captures Winterfell, a girl named Meera Reed and her brother Jojen Reed come from the Greywater Watch, which is at the bottom edge of the north, to tell Bran about "green dreams" that Jojen was having regarding him, which match up with his three eyed crow dream. They completely omitted these characters in the show, but they're really important. They are with Bran and Rickon when the escape. I don't know if they're going to be introduced in another way, so I hope I'm not ruining this for anyone reading this spoiler.

Petyr Baelish never meets with Catelyn Stark down in the Stormlands when she visits Renly Baratheon He also never goes to Harrenhal to meet with Tywin Lannister. The tickler isn't the one who is supposed to be killed in Harrenhal by Jaqen H'ghar, and lastly they changed Theon's sister's name from Asha to Yara. I don't know why they changed her name, but maybe it was too close to the name Osha, which is the name of the wildling lady who is serving Bran at Winterfell.

As for Dany, the dragons don't get stolen, and they changed the name of the third blood rider, but I can't remember which one it was off the top of my head. I noticed this during the first two episodes of season 2. Also, they killed off one of the bloodriders, which didn't happen in the book. All three of them should still be alive. I think one of the girls who takes care of her was also killed in the last episode as well as a lot of her "khalasar", which doesn't happen in the book, but that just backs up the stolen dragon scenario that happens.

[Angrist]

Leaving out the Reeds is the biggest change so far... I really hope (for those who watch) that they'll be introduced later. Pretty important to Bran's story.

[Teuthida]

This thread is like reading a blacked out FBI document. :)

[ZebraRampage]

This thread is like reading a blacked out FBI document. :)



I might have to edit my post to more accurately look like a confidential document.


EDIT: There, I fixed it!

[Teuthida]

Haha perfect!

[Seth]

I forget, was the wilding that Theon and Starks capture in season one, was she in the book? Because it seems like she has replaced the Reeds...

[ZebraRampage]

I forget, was the wilding that Theon and Starks capture in season one, was she in the book? Because it seems like she has replaced the Reeds...

Osha, the wildling woman, was captured in the first book. She was with the party of wildlings that tried to capture/kill Bran when he was in the Wolfswood with Robb and a few other men from Winterfell. Theon and Robb killed all the other Wildlings and captured Osha in the process.

Osha was still part of the escape in the book, but the Reeds were there too.

[Angrist]

The Reeds aren't wildlings. Although I guess they share the same 'magic'.

[Professor S]

Can we please discuss the series and not the books? This thread had become completely useless to me because every sentence is redacted in some way, yet STILL manages to spoil plot lines.

[Typhoid]

Can we please discuss the series

Futile.
Someone will shout "But in the books...".

That's my main "problem" with watching the show. Sometimes the people I'm with will comment about how a certain scene "isn't in the books", or "It didnt happen like that in the book".

I feel like saying "No, of course not. This is not a book. Please pay more attention to the understanding of a 50 minute timeslot and the idea of attempting constant viewing entertainment attempting to draw in paying customers every week while also filling in storylines, and revising certain things in the story that the writer didn't specifically care for so you're simply not watching 50 minutes of in-a-characters-head-dialogue explaining his stance on what's happening."

The best comment was made when I was watching it on the weekend:

Person A: "Where's his [John Snow] wolf? He was everywhere in the book."
Person B: "I don't know. Probably off not wasting the CGI budget."


Anyways, I thought it was a good episode. I think they all are. I haven't really been let down yet.
I've heard people bitch and complain that the dragons weren't stolen in the books.
Having not read the book, I say: tough shit.
I'd rather watch what they put in, than watch her play with her dragons and talk about how much she loves them for those 17 minutes.
But she'll get her dragons back anyhow.




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I'll make future predictions, as a non-book reader and show-lover.
When I'm thinking about what will happen in the show, I try to apply real medieval thinking to it. Because it seems clear this is written more like faux-fantasy-histroy, and less like "These characters you're reading about/watching are invincible" as in normal stories/shows. There might be invincible characters, but just because you've got the perspective of a character doesn't mean that person won't die. Everyone is mortal but those who are not - rather than everyone is immortal but those who are not.

It seems clear that the Starks are all fucked. That seems like a theme of the show; is that the Starks are the glue that held Westeros together (metaphorically, not through actions.) and once Geoffrey had Ned killed; the kids spread out for vengeance/to flee [making them easier to pick apart and kill. Divide and conquer]- the armies will clash and destroy eachother - which will then cause the empire to be weak to attack from some dragons, or an attack from wildings and/or some other small-army-turned-opportunist. And all that magic shit, and walkers and all that. The people will pick themselves apart with petty fights, and then once magic demons spring forth, they'll all get their faces raped with demon-dicks. All the people leading armies are typically young men who (I believe) don't remember the last winter they had [And if they're not young men who don't remember winter, they're angry adults with blinders on]. And apparently winter is horribly terrifying - so they're not thinking about what will come in winter, they're thinking about pointless shit that won't matter once winter comes.

I think one of the only Starks that won't be harmed is Rickon. That kid is clearly magic (and his sister. Forget her name). He has magic dreams and shit. Same with the girl. But she's too into Lannister shit, she'll probably either die or be an opportunistic traitor. There was a lot of emphasis on legacy and family history and all that when he was talking to her. Maybe she'll be brainwashed and treat him like a father figure in time, or just act like she is so she can get a sword in him.
I also don't consider John Snow to be a Stark, because he is a Snow. So I'm not including him in the "I think all the Starks are basically boned" idea. He's got some wildling in him, so he'll probably try to get in with them to get back to his people. maybe he'll outright join them. Nothing has happened to give me a clear way to speculate, really. Magic or not - I'm applying the idea that these people are humans, and have the human desire to survive through opportunistic lying. Much like everyone who gained power in medieval Europe. :lol:

I think Sansa (or whatever) will get pregnant with the cunty-kings kid. But I have a feeling that makes her immediately doomed because the people will want to gut the Lannister family of Geoffrey's bloodline.


And for the love of God if you're read the books, don't comment on predictions. Right or wrong, because either way you're giving a definite answer. Speculation is the fun part.

[DarkMaster]

The changes from the books are, in my opinion, done really damn well. Especially for Dany because her story sucks big time in the second book and really needed some sprucing up. I'd rather not be bored watching the show just so some book readers can be happy that it stays truer to the source, and I AM a book reader. The books are mostly old, they're great, I enjoy them, and I enjoy the hell out this show, possibly be even more so far. I look for places on other forums to discuss the show, and they're filled with the scum of the internet.

Anyways, I won't mention the books anymore, I'm fine with that. This episode was dope, can't wait to see the House of the Undying, and many more things coming. Sad that it's almost over, and at the same time excited as hell for next season, depsite how far away it is.

[Angrist]

Can we please discuss the series and not the books? This thread had become completely useless to me because every sentence is redacted in some way, yet STILL manages to spoil plot lines.I really think that Professor S is too worried about things that don't in fact bother him. Talking about the series is almost impossible without talking about the books. People will always have questions like who is that person, how was it in the book, etc.

So Professor S, all things considered, there is nothing wrong with talking about the books in this thread. At least not until you can define how it bothers you so much.

[Typhoid]

At least not until you can define how it bothers you so much.

He said why.


because every sentence is redacted in some way, yet STILL manages to spoil plot lines.

[ZebraRampage]

I won't comment about the books anymore either, since this is strictly about the show. And I won't spoil anything about the show either. With my last post I was just trying to clear up what most people were saying about the books, and adding a few things, but that's all I'll contribute.

The series is pretty damn good regardless of the changes, which are inevitable. I'm really looking forward to seeing how this whole series plays out through to the 5th book. This story has so many plot lines and so much to come as well.

[Angrist]

He said why.You don't get it.

[Professor S]

In any case, I really like what they are doing this season. Last season you knew there would be conflict, but they established a known universe that had existing rules (EX: The Iron Throne rules the kingdoms, the wildlings are at bay, and dragons/magic don't exist). This season, tipping over with Ed Stark's execution, all of this has been put on it's head. The question isn't who will be on the Iron Throne, but whether or not the Iron Throne will even matter anymore. The entire world is revolting and you are left with a sense that all things are possible and their current conflicts may end up being trivial in the greater scheme of things. Completely brilliant.

[Professor S]

You don't get it.

What does he, or I, not "get"?

[Angrist]

This part. I wanted to be funny. So Professor S, all things considered, there is nothing wrong with talking about the books in this thread. At least not until you can define how it bothers you so much.

[Typhoid]

This wasn't my favourite episode. Not because I thought it was bad.
Just because I wasn't anticipating that much intense silence/dialogue in one episode. I guess they had to cram it in for set-up for next episode(s).


I have nothing to really comment on because not a whole lot really "happened". It seemed more of a set-up for future episodes, which is totally understandable and okay. Heavy dialogue and character building needs to be accomplished, too.

My favourite parts were when Aria gave _____ his own name, and he said "A girl has no honour", and she just shrugged nonchalantly. I thought that was great on a lot of levels. Also the pronunciation of the writer of The History of the Battles of Westeros (or whatever it was called). Dinklage is a great actor. The way he just stared at that book afterwards when he wasn't in dialogue like he was still trying to figure it out, then just gives the subtle not and a "Ha!" later when the name is said.

[DarkMaster]

Definitely a calm before the storm episode, checking in with every character and major plot point before their climax. Damn only 2 episodes left.

[Professor S]

Also the pronunciation of the writer of The History of the Battles of Westeros (or whatever it was called). Dinklage is a great actor. The way he just stared at that book afterwards when he wasn't in dialogue like he was still trying to figure it out, then just gives the subtle not and a "Ha!" later when the name is said.

After two episodes that were light on The Dink, it was good to see him back in full awesomeness last night. May have been his best performance yet.

[Dylflon]

The best comment was made when I was watching it on the weekend:

Person A: "Where's his [John Snow] wolf? He was everywhere in the book."
Person B: "I don't know. Probably off not wasting the CGI budget."




I was person B! :D

[BreakABone]

Think best ep of the series to date.

[DarkMaster]

unbelievably good episode, surpassed all my expectations. From start to finish I was blown away. One more episode left..... I can't believe we're already pretty much done and have to wait another year.

[Vampyr]

Illyn Payne creeps me out.

[Typhoid]

That was the most badass episode of pure badassness that has existed to date.

"There are brave men outside of those gates. Let's go kill them!"

[ZebraRampage]

Those White Walkers were something eh? I can't wait for a Storm of Swords.

[Typhoid]

Maybe if I post someone will disagree with me.

HORRILBE EPISODE.
I THOUGHT IT WAS SHIT.
THOSE WHITE WALKERS LOOKED TERRIBLE, AND WHAT THE FUCK.
ZOMBIES? REALLY?
WHERED THE REALISM GO.
THIS SHOW FUCKING BLOWS.
WORST THING EVER CREATED IN EXISTENCE.
IM SO GLAD I DONT HAVE TO WATCH THIS SHOW FOR A WHILE.
FUCK ITS SO BAD.
THE ACTING IS TERRIBLE.
THE WRITING IS HORRIBLE.
THE SCENES ARE POORLY SCRIPTED AND ACTED.
NONE OF THE CHARACTERS ARE LIKE I THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE.
THE MIDGET ISNT SHORT ENOUGH.
THE HOUND ISNT TALL ENOUGH.
THE WILDFIRE WASNT WILD ENOUGH.
THE WHITE WALKERS WERENT WALKING NOR WERE THEY WHITE.|
THEY WERE TRUDGING, AND FLESH-TONED.
what the fuck is this shit..

[Angrist]

I think there's actually a difference between real White Walkers and the Zombies they create.

But I'm not sure, it's been a while.

[Teuthida]

White Walker: http://i.imgur.com/WMLZX.png

Wight: http://i.imgur.com/7RH2b.png

Didn't embed in case someone didn't watch the final ep but it explains each one.

[ZebraRampage]

Hah Typh, not sure how serious you are, but they had to conclude all the other storylines in order to setup for the next season. The first season was much better though because everything was simpler because most of the characters were close together.

Also, as Teuthida showed, the White Walkers are those guys with the blue swords and all white. They summon the dead as wights, so that's why they looked like zombies.

There isn't as much realism now because magic is just starting to become more prevalent. And if you think the characters are nothing what you thought they'd be then you better just stop watching for good because this is just the beginning.


I didn't like how at the end of this last episode that they kept jumping between different storylines after only a shot or two. Especially with the Wildings part and the House of the Undying part.


Is there a place that we can discuss the books separately from the show? I guess the general forum would work.

[Typhoid]

Hah Typh, not sure how serious you are

0%. ;)

I love the show, and I think it's great. My favourite show by far right now.
I'm just typically a response-magnet, so I was trying to garner more posts.
Get the ball rolling, you know. :lol: Someone disagrees with something I say (Someone is bound to try prove 'my opinion' moot), say what they liked about the show, other people would hopefully comment on how my opinion is wrong, and then the thread would be active again with talk of current events on the show, actors, writing, progress, hopeful direction of the show etc.

I didn't like how at the end of this last episode that they kept jumping between different storylines after only a shot or two.

I agree. It seemed pretty damn sporadic. But I imagine it's hard to tie up lose ends when you don't have another week, and you want to leave several hooks for viewers to dwell on over the break.

Is there a place that we can discuss the books separately from the show?
Yes!

I guess the general forum would work.
Yes!

[Dylflon]

Lol, wild fire wasn't wild enough.

I actually did complain that Gregor "The Mountain That Rides" Clegane wasn't tall enough back in the first season.

Then I saw him do a couple more things.

I guess he's pretty tall...


Finale was pretty good. Tyrion's face scar made him look kinda like William H Macy for some reason...

I thought it was funny that they gave the invented prostitute characters (Roz?) some more stuff to do.

Pumped for next season. Book readers can assume what the next season's cliff hanger will be if they're breaking ASOS into two seasons. But don't you dare talk about it, you charlatans.

[DarkMaster]

Is it April 2013 yet? Bleh, long ass waits, hate em. I'm going to read through the books again to pass the time. Was very excited when I saw a casting list for new characters next season. They really are going to have everyone covered, god damn.

[Seth]

Now it's April 2013. woot

[Vampyr]

Time flies.

I'm really enjoying the season so far. This is the point where I quit reading the books, so I'm the dark as to what's going to happen.

I do like that they're throwing in a bit more comic relief to offset the life-or-death suspense of nearly every other scene. I feel like that's an area where The Walking Dead could benefit...I get really tired of the EVERYTHING'S BAD AND EVERYBODY IS BAD schtick.

[TheGame]

The end of Ep 3 was crazy.

[Vampyr]

I actually knew that was going to happen (I read that far into book 3,) and it still took me my complete surprise.

Probably my favorite episode of the season thus far. The scene with Pod/Bronn/Tyrion after the brothel scene was pretty hilarious.

[Acebot44]

Definitely my favorite episode of this season, and maybe one of the best in the series, mainly because of the several bits of humor interjected throughout; Edmure's face is hilarious, Tyrion dragging his chair, Podrick showing Tyrion and Bronn why his last name is Payne ;) .

I can't wait to see how they handle Theon's storyline....and the reactions of TV watchers.

[Teuthida]

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[BreakABone]

This was a damn fine episode

I do hope the dude who keeps talking trash about Mother of Dragons gets his in the most brutal fashion

Didn't see the end coming at all

[Teuthida]

That ending...doesn't get more badass than that.

[Vampyr]

Now that was the best episode of the series so far. This season is awesome.

I think this is as far as I've read in the books, too, other than the next thing that happens with Dondarion/The Hound.

I don't remember this stuff with Theon at all, though. I don't know what that guy is playing at.

[Acebot44]

**Maybe Spoilers?**

This stuff with Theon is actually not in the books. If they followed the books strictly, he would not have appeared again for another 2 seasons or so, with all the shenanigans portrayed in the TV show being somewhat alluded to in between. Readers know generally whats going to happen regarding his storyline, but all the details are brand new, and very exciting to watch.

Oh, and yeah, awesome episode and ending.


PS: Pod the Impaler FTW!

[TheGame]

I don't know if they answered this in the show... if they did it went right over my head. But who exactly captured/tortured Theon?

[Vampyr]

I don't know if they answered this in the show... if they did it went right over my head. But who exactly captured/tortured Theon?

I don't think they have said yet.

[TheGame]

I don't think they have said yet.

Oh okay, thought so. No spoilers needed hahaha...

[BreakABone]

Oh man that moment

Hated that dude.. and was so pissed he was getting away with it all, but the reveal and then.. mah gawd!

[TheGame]

The show makes me feel kinda bad for people who had it coming to them.. like Ned and Theon lol. I won't feel bad for Joffrey or his mother if they die, or littlefinger

[BreakABone]

The show makes me feel kinda bad for people who had it coming to them.. like Ned and Theon lol. I won't feel bad for Joffrey or his mother if they die, or littlefinger

Wait, Ned had it coming to him? O_o

[TheGame]

Wait, Ned had it coming to him? O_o

Lol yeah after watching the series again I think so.

It may have just been forshadowing, but he beheads an innocent man in the first episode who was telling the truth about white walkers. I have a feeling everyone will eventually be paying for people like Ned not taking the white walker threat seriously.

Don't get me wrong, he's an Angel compared to most of the characters, but he's still a war leader and likely has a ton of innocent blood on his hands just by supporting Robert (even if indirectly like the Targaryen children)

[Ginkasa]

It may have just been forshadowing, but he beheads an innocent man in the first episode who was telling the truth about white walkers. I have a feeling everyone will eventually be paying for people like Ned not taking the white walker threat seriously.


The guy wasnot innocent. He deserted the Night's Watch which is a death sentence and the guy knew it. If he wanted people to get prepared for thewhite walkers then he should have reported back to his supervisors in the organization that was founded to fight the white walkers.

[TheGame]

The guy wasnot innocent. He deserted the Night's Watch which is a death sentence and the guy knew it. If he wanted people to get prepared for thewhite walkers then he should have reported back to his supervisors in the organization that was founded to fight the white walkers.

True. As far as we know anyway. The night watch guys he was with claimed he'd be killed as a deserter too, who's to say the night watch wouldn't have done the same? In his eyes it was a death sentance either way.

When someone is faced with death like that, they can make dishonorable decisions to try and survive.. Ned did it himself

[Teuthida]

:(

[Ginkasa]

I had to work so haven't watched yet. Although I've read the books and know what happens, I'm trying to avoid spoilers on how the show handled it. Pretty anxious to watch it.

[Vampyr]

Knowing what was going to happen did not save me.

[Teuthida]

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[Angrist]

Haha, those reactions were nice to watch. :D I don't watch the show, but I read the first 3 books. And I'm waiting for lazy GRRM to finish his last 2 so I can (re)read the whole series!

[BreakABone]

That was.. yeah

[TheGame]

I've decided the Rains of Castemere episode is the worst thing I've ever seen on television (or in movies) in history. It took me explaining it to a person who doesn't watch the show for me to comprehend how disturbing that scene was.

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If you're reading this, and haven't watched the show... well your bad, I warned you lol.

It goes from a wedding scene where everyone's happy, doing their little traditions. Even the uncle is happy because he got a nice looking girl. Robb's unborn child gets a name (if it's a boy) and Catelyn seems to finally be accepting her son's relationship... then everyone gets killed, starting off with Robbs unborn child, and his wife (who did absolutly nothing wrong) who gets stabbed multiple times in the stomach.

I can't think of a scene I've seen in anything that was worse. Went from a feel good moment to the most disturbing slaughter of 2 main characters ever lol.








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[Teuthida]

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[Teuthida]

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[TheGame]

The last episode was good buy felt empty. Rains of Castemere was a hard act to follow.

[Vampyr]

There were a few ways I thought they would choose to end the season...and they didn't do it.

Instead they chose to end the season basically the same way the ended Season 1 + a few other episodes.

1. Dany does something amazing
2. Jorah looks stunned
3. Dragons

Other than that, still good episode.

[Angrist]

Did Daeny get her army in this episode? Because that was pretty cool in the books.

[Professor S]

They needed to set up the next season. Ending after last week's episode would leave many wondering why they should continue to watch due to their investment in the Starks. The last episode reminded everyone there is still a lot going on.

[Vampyr]

@Angrist: That happened a few episodes back, and was indeed awesome.

@Professor_S:

Spoilers from books that have not been in the show yet:

In the books, Catelyn comes back from the dead via Thoros, except she's different. Merciless and seeking revenge. I expected them to end with her waking up, since it's going to be nearly impossible for them to hide that the actress will be back next season anyway, and it would have showed people that things aren't quite over for her.

[Teuthida]

http://i.imgur.com/fe4NUDb.gif

[BreakABone]

http://i.imgur.com/fe4NUDb.gif

No pun
But dude was a dick

[Teuthida]

They'll be best of buds. I can feel it.

http://i.imgur.com/f4oDTI7.jpg

[Angrist]

Sometimes they list an actor just because they use him for flash-backs. I'm not sure if GoT has those, but it wouldn't automatically spoil to everyone that there will be a return.

[BreakABone]

Now we have The Purple Wedding

I'm never going to a wedding in Westoros

[Vampyr]

SPOILERS:




How the events of the Purple Wedding unfolded: http://imgur.com/gallery/0EQr6 . It's pretty awesome that they've basically already shown "who dun it."

[Vampyr]

That is the single most brutal thing I have ever witnessed on TV or in a movie.

[Ginkasa]

That was a pretty great episode. Tonight's was as well. I'm super stoked for the finale. If they even do half of what I've been expecting it will blow everyone's minds.

[Vampyr]

Evidently the finale is going to be 66 minutes.