Mass Effect 3 DLC - How far is too far?

[Vampyr]

I'll let e-sports caster TotalBiscuit explain the situation:

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TLDW(atch) : Mass Effect 3 will have launch day DLC that is included with the collector's edition of the game. The DLC contains a new character that is core to the ME universe and story.

The DLC is $10. If you get the collector's edition, it comes with it. In the US, the standard edition is $60, collector's edition is $80.

If you feel strongly enough about it, you can send an email to contact@bioware.com

[BreakABone]

Yeah this is a load of bunk.

I think developers are just trying to push the goalpost further and further to see what gamers will put up with.

[Ginkasa]

Day one DLC is too far. I don't mind the "anti used game/anti piracy" first day "DLC" you get free with every new copy, but just putting it in the collector's edition is ridiculous. Or only if you pre-order before a certain time like with DAII.

It makes me sad, is what I'm saying.

[Typhoid]

I really don't care if there's first-day DLC for a game.

If anything, I wouldn't mind that. Rather than saying to me "Wow, they didn't put this in the game, what a load of chumps", I think "Wow, they're already prepared for when people beat the game and complain about a massive lack of DLC." (Even though that's not really the case right now).


But if there really is a character you need to play the game, that you need to pay extra for - that is a load of BS.

"Thanks for buying Megaman 10. To start, you'll only be able to play as ProtoMan. The download of Megaman will cost an initial $10" :ohreilly:

[BreakABone]

I really don't care if there's first-day DLC for a game.

If anything, I wouldn't mind that. Rather than saying to me "Wow, they didn't put this in the game, what a load of chumps", I think "Wow, they're already prepared for when people beat the game and complain about a massive lack of DLC." (Even though that's not really the case right now).


But if there really is a character you need to play the game, that you need to pay extra for - that is a load of BS.

"Thanks for buying Megaman 10. To start, you'll only be able to play as ProtoMan. The download of Megaman will cost an initial $10" :ohreilly:

I guess the thing is..
This is how far we've come this generation.
From expecting a full game experience on day 1.. to sweet, at least I'll be able to buy the whole experience at some point!

As much as I hate this practice, it isn't the day one DLC that bothers me.

Its the cascading of the fanbase that somehow people who buy the CE are more valuable and loyal a fan than those who buy the normal edition.

And its bunk, its an evolution of the online pass.. now you don't even get everything if you buy the frigging game new!

[Vampyr]

I really don't care if there's first-day DLC for a game.

If anything, I wouldn't mind that. Rather than saying to me "Wow, they didn't put this in the game, what a load of chumps", I think "Wow, they're already prepared for when people beat the game and complain about a massive lack of DLC." (Even though that's not really the case right now).


But if there really is a character you need to play the game, that you need to pay extra for - that is a load of BS.

"Thanks for buying Megaman 10. To start, you'll only be able to play as ProtoMan. The download of Megaman will cost an initial $10" :ohreilly:

The DLC is intended to be downloaded and played along with the rest of the game, on your first time through. Not beat the game then buy it.

They want you to pay $60 + $10 up front.

Proof: https://twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson/status/172503318277529601

It's just a total lack of respect for your customer. Or at least, I feel disrespected. I've been with them for years on this series. I've bought every game in it, and I've bought most of the DLC. And this is how they treat me when the final game comes out?

What it boils down to is this: is that game worth $60? I don't think it is. It isn't worth $60 to get what I know isn't the complete game. It isn't worth $60 to tell a company I approve of this. It isn't worth $60 to feel like I'm getting cheated.

The common response is, "Oh, you're not entitled to that content, stop whining." No, I'm not entitled to it, and they aren't entitled to my money if I deem their product not worth the price they are peddling it for. The dollar value of something isn't just the sum of its features and content. How much you value the company and its practices also plays into how much value I put on a product.

It's really painful for me to say that, I love the series so much. But I'm not going to let myself be taken advantage of. There are so many fantastic games out there right now that I haven't played yet, from companies who treat their customers right. The Witcher 2 is one of them, I'll give them my money years before I give it to EA and Bioware.

I've sent bioware an email letting them know.

[DarkMaster]

I'm going to rent this game for $4, beat it, and bring it back. Suck a big one, EA.

[KillerGremlin]

Yeah, no shit. EA and BioWare are like the mother fucking RIAA of video gaming.

I don't know about you guys, but I stopped buying EA's shitty ass shit like 5 years ago. That's why pirating is for. Fuck DRM and fuck DLC. I refuse to support these companies.

But you know what, a lot of people apparently do. Because this isn't the first, second, third, or even fourth time that people are laying into something that this company has done that is upsetting.

Solution = STOP BUYING THESE GAMES!!!!

If people actually backed up their complaints with piracy and boycotting, you would see better practices from these companies.

I'm going to rent this game for $4, beat it, and bring it back. Suck a big one, EA.

I love you. YOU are doing it right. Seriously, fuck EA. Stop supporting EA people. Stop buying their shitty ass shit.

Edit: This thread isn't even half that bad. DLC is no biggie. If you want to see an asshole that has been raped, look at all the fools that parted with their sweet cash and now have to deal with EA's Origin and that shitty EULA.

[BreakABone]

I'm going to rent this game for $4, beat it, and bring it back. Suck a big one, EA.

I was thinking of buying it used from eBay or Amazon.

We shall see.

[Vampyr]

I was thinking of buying it used from eBay or Amazon.

We shall see.

Sounds like a plan, I don't even want the multiplayer option, so I'd rather pay less and get less.

[Bond]

Cam and I were talking and we think it'd be great if the DLC character was Shepard.

[Vampyr]

Cam and I were talking and we think it'd be great if the DLC character was Shepard.

Let's not give them any more ideas.

[Fox 6]

Cam and I were talking and we think it'd be great if the DLC character was Shepard.

And that if you didnt get the DLC your character would be a no name, poorly rendered, no voice actor, generic solider.

[Ginkasa]

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[Dylflon]

"The content in 'From Ashes' was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification," added Gamble. This mirrors executive producer Casey Hudson's comments from yesterday.

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Mass-Effect-3-From-Ashes-DLC-Details-Released-39838.html

[Vampyr]

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Mass-Effect-3-From-Ashes-DLC-Details-Released-39838.html

I've read all their excuses - as a customer I don't care when something was made or who made it. I don't care about how Bioware handles their development process.

Content was done before release. They had time to include it with the CE, so they had time to include with the SE.

It's like if a book was coming out that you wanted, and the author announces that they had time to kill after the book was sent off to be printed, so they wrote another chapter or two to the story and you can buy it seperately in a digital format when the book is released.

That wouldn't feel very good, knowing that the book your buying isn't the complete book.

In addition, the fact that in the past they made these types of things perks for people buying the game new, and now it's something you have to pay extra for, just irks me the wrong way. I don't like it.

In this day and age with the fierce competition among games, they can't afford to piss off their player base. It's just so easy for me to spend my money on something else.

[BreakABone]

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Mass-Effect-3-From-Ashes-DLC-Details-Released-39838.html

This isn't mine.. or many gamers' problems.
Day one DLC isn't really anything new.. sadly.

My beef.. my biggest beef is the divide between CE and normal editions getting the content.
Especially since it was announced this late in the game and a lot of places have sold out of the CE.. so even if you wanted to support it.. you couldn't.

Its bad business.. in so many ways!

[KillerGremlin]

Someday we are going to talk about open source gaming and community development quite fondly. The days when you could buy a game, and download gigabytes of free user-generated content that kicked ass. Sometimes developers even put out free content.

[Combine 017]

This isn't mine.. or many gamers' problems.
Day one DLC isn't really anything new.. sadly.

My beef.. my biggest beef is the divide between CE and normal editions getting the content.
Especially since it was announced this late in the game and a lot of places have sold out of the CE.. so even if you wanted to support it.. you couldn't.

Its bad business.. in so many ways!

Ya, I went in to EB the other day to upgrade to the collectors edition and they are sold out everywhere. Kind of a dick move.

[Bond]

The DLC will be available to download, no?


http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/02/24/why-the-exploitation-of-gamers-is-our-own-damn-fault-2/

[Vampyr]

The DLC will be available to download, no?


http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/02/24/why-the-exploitation-of-gamers-is-our-own-damn-fault-2/

You know what DLC stands for, right? o_O

[Typhoid]

Hey, Question you guys - didn't the Fallout series do this for their last 2 games, with no real gripes from anyone?

I sort of remember that Fallout has "collectors" and "bonus" editions from release, and some (I believe) come with extra game-content than the others - for If not, then oops.


I mean, I sort of understand how you guys feel you're getting fucked lube-less. I don't sort of understand it, I completely understand it.

However, if you don't want the DLC, just don't get it, you know.
If you can still complete the game without the DLC, the DLC is not mandatory. Its just bonus content that you can get to expand your own gameplay, but the loss of it doesn't alter your experience for the worse.

Look at it this way - were you really excited for this game before you knew about the DLC? Yeah? Good, go back to that thought - the part where you didn't know about the DLC. Then when you play the game, you're not thinking "Man, I'm rrrreeeeeaalllly missing out on Kasumi and Zaeed. They're clearly a pivotal part of this game." Did I say Kasumi and Zaeed? My bad. I meant whatever other DLC character they have this time.

Or if you'd rather - buy the game and play it for 2-3 weeks, then look at the DLC content and just pretend it was suddenly released - because that's miraculously acceptable, right? :lol:

I hate DLC either way. But that's the way gaming is now. I'll probably get the game when I can, but I won't be getting the DLC, because I never get DLC. Because I, too feel the whole "Fuck you, you're not getting my money for something you didn't include in the game" thing. I'd still get the game if I was originally pumped for it, though.

dlcdlcdlcdlc.

[Combine 017]

No the Fallouts did not do this. You got bonus content for Fallout if you pre-ordered it, whether it was the collectors edition or standard.
And I wouldnt have that much of a problem with this Mass Effect DLC if the character you get wasnt so damn important to the Mass Effect universe.

[Angrist]

e-sports caster TotalBiscuitOff topic: do you watch his Starcraft II casts?

[Dylflon]

Luckily for me Mass Effect 3 comes out on my birthday so I'ma get it as a present. So I only have to pay $10 for the DLC and it makes it feel a lot less like EA is pissing in my mouth.

That and I have a friend who works at EA so I usually get their games for $20. Booya.

Also, nobody wish me a happy birthday. I care less about my birthday than the Mass Effect 3 release. I humbly request you wish me a Happy Mass Effect 3 day.

[Vampyr]

Off topic: do you watch his Starcraft II casts?

Nah, not really, the only streams I really watch is League of Legends.

[BreakABone]

Forbes has been doing a stellar job of covering the problems surrounding Mass Effect 3 and its reception, which is quite shocking.

Put up these two articles today

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/03/13/mass-effect-3-and-the-pernicious-myth-of-gamer-entitlement/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/03/12/how-bioware-could-find-redemption-using-mass-effect-3/

Both relatively short reads, but get their point across without seemingly taking any one side.

[Vampyr]

I have been super impressed withe games journalism going on at Forbes as of late. I never even knew they had a video game section.