The Hobbit [Archive]

Teuthida

07-07-2011, 07:55 PM

Good a time as any to start a thread for this.

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Dori, Nori, and Ori: http://www-images.theonering.org/torwp/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Dori-Nori-and-Ori.jpg

Gloin and Oin: http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/hobbit-movie-image-oin-gloin-01.jpg

Kili and Fili: http://media.social.s-msn.com/images/blogs/00290065-0000-0000-0000-000000000000_00000065-06d3-0000-0000-000000000000_20110712161810_HBT-DWF-003550.jpg

Bofur, Bifur, and Bombur: http://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads//2011/07/bofu-bimbur-and-bifur-dwarves-hobbit.jpg

Balin and Dwalin: http://timenewsfeed.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/hbt-dwf-005.jpg?w=455

Thorin Oakenshield: http://www-images.theonering.org/torwp/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/thorin-richardarmitage.jpg

KillerGremlin

07-07-2011, 10:01 PM

Pretty cool. I think this movie has the potential to be VERY FUN with hints of darkness and some allusions to the Lord of the Rings. Drinking, Dragons and Giant Spiders...this is the novel that predates and blows Harry Potter out of the water. I expect good things, and if this movie doesn't deliver than fuck it, it is still one of the coolest books I have ever read.

Edit: On a side note, The Hobbit is much less politically involved than LOTRs. Now, I say that as a casual fan....so I could be speaking out of my ass...but the Hobbit is a straight up adventure, while LOTRs is much more sharp with its overall grandeur. The point is The Hobbit should border on popcorn cinema, and evoke the most exciting parts of my childhood imagination.

Teuthida

07-21-2011, 06:04 AM

Part 3. A lot of dwarf stuff...and James Bond.

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Teuthida

07-21-2011, 05:30 PM

Altogether now.

http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/images1/aaimages/hobbitdwarvesl.jpg

(L-R) Jed Brophy as Nori, DEAN O’GORMAN as Fili, Mark Hadlow as Dori, JAMES NESBITT as Bofur, PETER HAMBLETON as Gloin, GRAHAM McTAVISH as Dwalin, RICHARD ARMITAGE as Thorin Oakenshield (center), KEN STOTT as Balin, JOHN CALLEN as Oin, STEPHEN HUNTER as Bombur, WILLIAM KIRCHER as Bifur, Adam Brown as Ori and AIDAN TURNER as Kili

BreakABone

12-20-2011, 10:14 PM

I know we have a trailer thread, but some movies seem bigger than that, and I think The Hobbit is one of them.

Here's the trailer for one of next year's biggest movies

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Professor S

12-20-2011, 10:44 PM

Goosebumps...

Fox 6

12-21-2011, 12:15 AM

Nerdgasm

Teuthida

12-21-2011, 02:39 AM

Squee!

I know we have a trailer thread, but some movies seem bigger than that, and I think The Hobbit is one of them.
I had thought so too... http://www.gametavern.net/forums/showthread.php?t=21721

Teuthida

12-21-2011, 09:36 AM

Vampyr

12-21-2011, 11:56 AM

Trailer:

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Angrist

12-21-2011, 02:05 PM

Is it just me or is that trailer not all that special? It makes it look like there's happening even less in The Hobbit than there already is.

Teuthida

12-21-2011, 02:31 PM

Well, it's a teaser for a movie year away. And only the first half. Got trolls, and goblins, and wargs, and a dragon, and a bear-man, and Gollum, and giant spiders, and elves, and a battle to look forward to. Though not sure where the first will end off.

KillerGremlin

12-21-2011, 02:55 PM

I think it looks awesome. And I hate everything.

This movie is going to be magical.

Fox 6

12-23-2011, 04:38 PM

Teuthida

03-02-2012, 07:15 AM

Angrist

03-02-2012, 06:19 PM

I ordered the book through Amazon.co.uk. I already read it twice when I was 16/17, so it's been more than 10 years ago. And now I'm really looking forward to it. :D I need to read it before I watch the movies... or any new trailers.

Teuthida

07-06-2012, 07:15 AM

manasecret

07-07-2012, 03:53 PM

Yes yes yes yes yes yes

I know this is old news, but did y'all hear it will shown in 48 FPS at theaters? The best part is, they are going to show all trailers in the standard 24 fps so no one will know it will be any different until they show up at the theater, and then they will be blown away.

Expect the 48 fps to look like that Automotion feature that LCD TVs introduced awhile back, except without any of the artifacts since there will actually be 48 real frames per second, rather than 24 real frames and a bunch of auto-generated frames filled in in between. Also expect less bitching about the "soap opera" effect, since the movie-makers will be aware of the 48 fps beforehand.

Angrist

07-07-2012, 04:07 PM

So did he record the movie in 3D, just to be ready for a rerelease in some years?

I got the book, but I haven't started it yet. When will the movie be released, around Xmas right?

manasecret

07-07-2012, 05:08 PM

It will be in 3D as well. From some random source, I hear there will be the option to see it in 24 fps, 48 fps, and 3D 48 fps. Most people will opt for 3D 48 fps.

There will be bitching and moaning while everyone's brain that is used to seeing the blurry 24 fps used over the last 100 years gets its memory upended. But they will get over it -- it will be better.

manasecret

07-07-2012, 11:48 PM

That said -- much like 3D, 48 fps is just another tool in the chest. There will still be a place for 24 fps film or more importantly the film effect that goes with it. Much like black and white film still has a place, though I'd say the film effect will have more use. But at least now it won't be forced, especially for epics or action movies where the extra frames (and thus clarity) will really make a difference.

Teuthida

07-09-2012, 05:57 PM

Huge banner: http://i.imgur.com/eEANn.jpg

Teuthida

07-23-2012, 07:05 PM

manasecret

07-30-2012, 10:38 PM

Sweet. Thanks for posting.

BreakABone

07-30-2012, 11:12 PM

Oh yeah and it was announced today that the films will actually be a trilogy.

Vampyr

07-31-2012, 09:30 AM

Evidently they are pulling in material from the appendices, which is where the extra content is coming from.

I'm not sure how much that will appeal to the masses, but I'm ecstatic for it.

Angrist

07-31-2012, 11:57 AM

The Hobbit doesn't have appendices. Lord of the Rings does. But from what I understand, a lot of the extra material (e.g. The White Council) comes from Unfinished Tales. I'll love seeing that. :)

Edit: I am a bit concerned about this becoming a trilogy... Part of me loves the extra material we'll get to see, another part knows how little was actually going on in The Hobbit. I don't want it to become like butter spread over too much bread (or however Bilbo puts it).
Part 3 will be awesome, with a huge dragon and the Battle of Five Armies. But what will part 1 and 2 have? Some stone Trolls, Beorn the shapeshifter, some (talking?) Wargs and Spiders, some Goblins... and Gollum. Even with the White Council stuff added, I don't know if it will entertain enough.

By the way, I read on TheOneRing that a 2 new domains have been registered. The titles of movie 2 and 3? That would make:
An Unexpected Journey
The Riddles in the Dark
Desolation of Smaug

Personally I'd have removed 'The' from title 2 and use it in title 3.

Edit2: Ah it really makes me want to read all my Tolkien books again.

BreakABone

09-19-2012, 11:03 AM

Angrist

09-19-2012, 02:54 PM

Edit2: Ah it really makes me want to read all my Tolkien books again.Aaaaaaaaaaaaaand I started with reading The Children of Húrin. :) Good book, it reads pretty fast. After that, I'll start The Hobbit. And then maybe LotR, if I can find the time.

And I'm avoiding any movie spoilers, at least until I've finished the book.

Teuthida

09-27-2012, 07:42 PM

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Angrist

11-10-2012, 03:31 PM

I was already planning the LotR marathon in anticipation of the The Hobbit release, for me and some friends.
But then 1 friend decided that he doesn't want to watch LotR before The Hobbit. He wants to be overwhelmed by Middle Earth again... and that works better when you haven't seen anything lately.

So the rest of us kind of agree. No Lord of the Rings before this next movie! We'll do the marathon afterwards.
At least I got to read the book one last time before the movie. (It makes me want to start LotR right now, but I'll hold out for a few months.)

Teuthida

11-20-2012, 06:38 PM

http://chrisgoestothemovies.com/2012/11/12/the-hobbit-in-48fps-an-overview/

Gives examples of the same clip with 24 vs 48 frames per second. Thoughts? Preference?

Vampyr

11-20-2012, 08:25 PM

I hate the soap opera look of the 48fps. The first thing I do on a TV with anti-motion blur technology is disable it.

Angrist

11-21-2012, 04:12 PM

I have 6 (or 7) tickets reserved for me and some friends. It's for the midnight premiere, at 00:12. :D So that's in the night between Tueseday and Wednesday 12-12-12.

That means I'll see it at least 6 hours before any of you do. ;)

After that I'll go to another cinema which plays the 48fps version, so I'll be able to compare pretty well.

Teuthida

11-21-2012, 09:29 PM

I look forward to hearing what you have to say on the matter.

I haven't seen a movie in the theaters since The Dark Knight (against my will), and The Lord of The Rings remains the only trilogy that I've seen in its entirety on the big screen. Thinking will do the same for The Hobbit.

Angrist

11-22-2012, 05:04 AM

Don't expect impressions before the American midnight launches. I'll probably fall asleep right when I get home.

Teuthida

11-25-2012, 12:15 AM

KillerGremlin

12-05-2012, 06:39 PM

I hate the soap opera look of the 48fps. The first thing I do on a TV with anti-motion blur technology is disable it.

You get used to it...it took me a few months.

Once you do get used to it, regular TV looks like dogshit and it's hard to look back.

Vampyr

12-05-2012, 08:51 PM

I think I'm going to the midnight release next Friday - should be awesome.

I'm actually pretty excited about the 48fps in a theater - it will be a new experience at least. It probably is just a problem of being used to something.

Angrist

12-06-2012, 05:08 PM

Next Friday as in tomorrow? There's some kind of pre-premiere? That's not fair! :(

Just 5 nights away for me! :D

Vampyr

12-06-2012, 06:01 PM

Next Friday as in tomorrow? There's some kind of pre-premiere? That's not fair! :(

Just 5 nights away for me! :D

I think tomorrow is "this" Friday, "next" Friday is the 14th. :p

Angrist

12-10-2012, 08:42 AM

Ok ok. ;) I'm glad to hear I'll still be the first one to watch it.

Just 33.5 hours away! :D

Angrist

12-11-2012, 10:48 PM

It's 4:30 AM and I just got back from The Hobo: An Unexpected Journey. :D

Spoiler free impressions:
It's pretty much what I expected. It takes its time, which isn't as bad as some reviewers make it sound like. It adds some action here and there, but let's be honest... the book didn't have much action in the first part.
The world feels great. It gives this familiar feeling but is new enough to surprise and amaze.
It's not LotR, but I felt like it wasn't trying to compete with that. It has a lot more... cute fantasy in it, like talking animals and Goblins in all forms and sizes.

Spoiler impressions:
The movie starts off with a totally unexpected history of the Lonely Mountain. It's great to see the culture the Dwarves had there! And there's a sneak peak of Smaug, which looks like will be an awesome Dragon.

The Hobbiton scenes put me in a dilemma. On one hand it's great to see the lovely and quiet life of Bilbo and how he meets the Dwarves... on the other hand it gets a bit slow and you just wish them to start already. Not too sure about that one.

The addition of Radagast the Brown is bold. I feel they're really walking a thin line here, making him such a weirdo. The same with the singing Goblins.

I understand the addition of an Orc 'arch enemy'. That they took Azog (who is referenced in the book, but died decennia ago) makes sense. But we all know how it's going to end... He'll die in movie 3, after doing some damage. A bit cliché and I wonder if the movie really needed it.

Why all the fighting all the time? I know they're trying to please a big public here, but in the end it was just annoying. "We haven't fought anything in 20 minutes, quickly charge into those Orcs that we previously thought were too many to fight!" Also, when did Bilbo become such a good swordsman?

The White Council vs Necromancer stuff doesn't bother me yet. As expected it distracts a bit from the main story, but that's about it.

That's all I can think of right now. :) I appreciate all the extra story elements they added, like the rivalry between Dwarves and Elves. I'm looking forward to Part 2. ;)

I'll watch the high framerate version early next week.

Professor S

12-12-2012, 08:23 AM

Spoiler free impressions:
It's pretty much what I expected. It takes its time, which isn't as bad as some reviewers make it sound like. It adds some action here and there, but let's be honest... the book didn't have much action in the first part.
The world feels great. It gives this familiar feeling but is new enough to surprise and amaze.
It's not LotR, but I felt like it wasn't trying to compete with that. It has a lot more... cute fantasy in it, like talking animals and Goblins in all forms and sizes.

From what I've seen most reviewers objections are based on the fact that The Hobbit isn't LotR... and it isn't. That's why it's called The Hobbit. Middle Earth is a much safer place during the time of The Hobbit. To be honest, I think the reviews of this movie have been some of the worst I've seen to date. Reviewers seem completely unable to review this movie on it's own terms.

Hell, the one I read from Slate starts out with how much the reviewer dislikes the fantasy genre...

Vampyr

12-12-2012, 09:38 AM

I'm glad to hear you enjoyed it. I'm not really expecting it to be much like LotR...I just want another romp through Middle Earth.

Only about 26 hours left for me. :)

Angrist

12-13-2012, 05:26 PM

A friend saw the HFR version yesterday. He thinks something was wrong... because the action scenes were way too fast. People were moving faster than possible, things fell too fast, etc.

Technical problem (it was the premiere...) or side effect of a higher framerate?

Teuthida

12-13-2012, 06:01 PM

I've heard that as a common complaint.

Here's the trailer post converted to 48 fps.

http://www.fxphd.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/The_Hobbit_Trailer_48fps_web.mp4

It's noticeable there.

Angrist

12-18-2012, 06:41 PM

Ok, I saw it in HFR....... and I loved it!!!

Like others have said, it was a bit weird in the first 5 minutes. I thought "wait, isn't Bilbo walking through his house unnaturallly fast?" and "those hands go through that chest way too fast." But as I analyzed it in my mind, I realized it wasn't actually too fast... it just looked way more detailed.
Normally you'd see a blur when somebody moved his hands/feet/whatever really fast. Now you see more detail... and I think your mind has to get used to that.

The difference in framerate was directly noticable by the way. The trailers were in old, low framerate. As soon as the first company logo of The Hobbit started, my friend and I said to eachother "this is it!" It gave a very light headache for just 1 minute or so.

I understand what people mean when they complain. Movies look quite different without the motion blur all the time. You see more detail. Action looks different, less artistic.
I compare it to color movies in the time of black and white movies. The first movies with sound when the rest was still dumb. People said "if I want to see something in color and with sound, I'll look outside the window. Why do we need this in a movie?"
Same thing is happening with HFR. It adds realism, makes it look more like the real world. Some might not like it, but they'll get used to it.

Edit: I asked tickets for "Lord of the Rings 4: The Hobo." ;)

Typhoid

12-18-2012, 08:20 PM

I think the only thing fucking people up is that they're used to movies looking like movies - and having blur - rather than looking like life and being smooth and not choppy - so it's probably just fucking with the "This isnt real, but it looks so real!" part of peoples brains.
Like the first time you get a first-person birds-eye view of something, your brain says "This doesn't look right", and your eyes say "Believe me, motherfucker", and your brain is all "Fuck that shit, this can't be real", and your eyes are all "You don't trust me, bitch?" so they fight for a bit, then the headache goes away when your brain realizes that your eyes are telling the truth.

Anyways, I saw this movie yesterday, thought it was goofy, yet epic. I enjoyed it, considering I never read the book.
I didn't like the ending though; I get it - there's going to be more movies - it just didn't feel like an ending...but I still liked the movie.

Professor S

12-18-2012, 10:39 PM

Typhoid

12-19-2012, 04:55 PM

Now, I may be on drugs right now - but a thought just popped into my head...

...If Gollum is Smeagol, and Smeagol's a Hobbit, why does he ask Bilbo what a Hobbit is.

Professor S

12-19-2012, 04:59 PM

Now, I may be on drugs right now - but a thought just popped into my head...

...If Gollum is Smeagol, and Smeagol's a Hobbit, why does he ask Bilbo what a Hobbit is.

He has lost any idea of who he was. The ring robbed him of his identity. Notice that even in the end there was no revelation or remorse. Gollum succeeded in destroying the ring only because his obsession was so intense it caused him to destroy himself for the chance of holding it one more time.

Angrist

12-19-2012, 05:03 PM

Smeagol wasn't a real Hobbit, only related to them. They even lived in a totally different area.

You have to remember that Smeagol has lived for over 500 years. Things changed in the world.

Edit: The Strangler has the movie's explanation. :p

Professor S

12-19-2012, 05:24 PM

Edit: The Strangler has the movie's explanation. :p

I was reading the books at the time the movies came out. I was in the middle of the Two Towers when my idiot boss spoiled the entire story for me at work. I was so angry I never picked up the books again... so yes, my interpretation of the second half of the novel is totally movie driven.

Angrist

12-19-2012, 06:14 PM

In the movies, Smeagol has forgotten his own name. Frodo reminds him of it. Frodo got the name from Gandalf. Gandalf got the name from ???

In the books, Gandalf got Smeagol's name from... Smeagol. (I think that happened when the Elves of Lothlorien captured and lost Smeagol.) He never forgot it in the books. :)

manasecret

12-23-2012, 01:18 PM

Finally saw it yesterday, in HFR 3D. LOVED it. I don't understand at all the complaints about HFR making it less immersive. The Middle Earth that Tolkien created is all about filling out every detail. I want to see every detail put into the Hobbit.

Teuthida

05-29-2013, 12:49 AM

Teuthida

05-29-2013, 11:39 PM

Angrist

05-30-2013, 04:20 PM

Spoilers!! :p

Teuthida

06-11-2013, 01:54 PM

Angrist

06-11-2013, 05:57 PM

I don't think I want to watch it. Or do I? Argh!! I love Tolkien's world, but I'm thinking about staying spoiler-free for this one!

Teuthida

07-01-2013, 10:44 PM

I gotta say, after watching the first movie I much prefer the production blogs to the actual film.

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Angrist

07-25-2013, 04:28 PM

Just to notify you: there is a 1080p HFR version downloadable. So that's 48fps. I'm not too sure where they got it from... some say it's a rip of the cinema version, others think it's just an interpolated (is that what it's called?) version of the 24fps one.

Either way it looks lots better than the normal version. If you can stand HFR.

Teuthida

07-25-2013, 07:45 PM

Found. Wow, that's a huge file. Tempted to see what it looks like though. Although...last time I tried to run a video that large my computer crashed. Decisions decisions.