Ok, this probably won't happen again for a million years.. Turkey - USA final!

[Bube]

I couldn't see a topic about it, and it's a shame it's being created right before the final; it's been a really good tournament.

Yes, I'm talking about the FIBA World Championship.

Turkey just beat Serbia 83-82 in a stunning match, to advance to the final. And as the title says, the other team to advance to the final is... Team USA.

Should be a very interesting match. Although in the end a USA win would be no surprise, we probably won't go down very easily. If we play like we did in the semi-final, we might even actually have a chance.

And the best part is, I get to create a topic about it here to discuss ;)

[ZebraRampage]

I've seen highlights of the tournament on ESPN, but it seems like nobody really cares about it here in the US. They aren't even using the best players that we have, but is there an age restriction on it? Also, I doubt many of the best NBA players would really want to do it if they've already done it once before. It's a good tournament for the World though probably. I wish there was some way for me to get more interested in basketball.

[Angrist]

Nice. :)

[Typhoid]

I don't give two shits about FIBA, nor international basketball.
I would like to see a news story about how team USA shit the bed, though.

[The Germanator]

Yeah, I can't really get into this tournament. And if the USA loses, I know I'm supposed to care, but seriously, who cares? I kind of understand losing the gold medal at the Olympics and I know we're supposed to dominate basketball, but I can't find much excitement about it either way. I think it's why I enjoy watching the World Cup because the USA is such an underdog in that sport. It's not really fun to root for the US to kill Lithuania in basketball.

[TheSlyMoogle]

yeah we basically dominate the world in a sport we created. Hmm...

Basketball is more American than baseball. I mean I grew up having it shoved down my throat because I was tall for my age, and fast (At the time, but that all evened out by high school :D)

Anyway, our best players aren't in the tournament, and if we did lose it's kinda like "Oh hey Turkey's best players vs. our mediocre players, and we lost."

So yeah. If it was the olympics I might care.

[The Duggler]

What does FIBA stand for? Sorry, I would rather ask you guys than google it up.

[Typhoid]

yeah we basically dominate the world in a sport we created.

Basketball was created by James Naismith.

James Naismith
Born November 6, 1861
Place of birth Almonte, Ontario


What does FIBA stand for? Sorry, I would rather ask you guys than google it up.

FIBA is the french term for the International Basketball Association. I assume they use the French because of "Fifa". In French it's "Fédération Internationale de Basket-ball".

[Professor S]

Basketball was created by James Naismith.

James Naismith[1] (November 6, 1861 – November 28, 1939) was a Canadian American sports coach, innovator, college administrator, and college teacher. Dr. Naismith invented the sport of basketball in 1891, and he is often credited with introducing the first football helmet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Naismith

[Angrist]

American like the continent, right?

[Vampyr]

American as in Massachusetts. :P

[Bube]

Sooo, to sum it up, we lost :p

[The Duggler]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Naismith So Strangler, what's a Canadian American?

[Professor S]

So Strangler, what's a Canadian American?

Whats an Mexican American? Mexican, or American? If want to argue nationality as if it's a race, you could say Naismith was either French or English, and if French or English, isn't that really Gaul, Roman, Saxon, Celt, etc.?

He was an American, regardless of where he was born. Emphasize the noun, not the adjective. Please don't mistake this as some kind of "America is better than you" argument, as I could care less about basketball. I'm simply correcting poor revisionist history.

[The Duggler]

The sport was developed and popularized in the US but was still invented by a Canadian.

[Professor S]

The sport was developed and popularized in the US but was still invented by a Canadian.

No, it was invented by an American who was born in Canada. America is a country of immigrants, not unlike Canada. If we were to define origination by the persons roots, no one would be Candadian or American except for indiginous peoples.

America is a country, and his citizenship was American. Therefore he is American. Honestly, if I were a Canadian I would not harp on this. The man obviously loved Canada so much he left it and became an American.

I appreciate your nationalism, but nationalism does not change facts.

[Angrist]

Eh you contradict yourself. You admit that the guy was born in Canada and not in the States. After that you talk about origins (for which you don't have to be born abroad).
It would have been different if he was born in America but had Canadian parents.

Just thought I should point that out. I don't care about any of your countries. Or mine. ;)

[Vampyr]

Eh you contradict yourself. You admit that the guy was born in Canada and not in the States. After that you talk about origins (for which you don't have to be born abroad).
It would have been different if he was born in America but had Canadian parents.

Just thought I should point that out. I don't care about any of your countries. Or mine. ;)

I don't understand how he contradicted himself.

If you're a citizen of *insert country name here*, then that is your country, despite where you were born.

He could have been Canadian and American, if he had dual citizenship. I'm not sure, maybe he did.

It's like Abraham Lincoln. Born in Kentucky, lived in Illinois, and Illinois license plates say "Land of Lincoln".

[Angrist]

I'm not talking about the citizenship part, he's right about that. I mean the first sentences, the second and third one make it sound like the guy was born in the USA but had Canadian origins. Which he just said he didn't.

[Professor S]

I'm not talking about the citizenship part, he's right about that. I mean the first sentences, the second and third one make it sound like the guy was born in the USA but had Canadian origins. Which he just said he didn't.

My comments about roots were to show that making the argument that citizenship is the same as race is incorrect.

Example: I am an American citizen, but my roots are Pict/Celt and Saxon (as far as I can trace them). Anything I invent would be defined as an American invention, or at the most a European American invention. It would not be considered an Scottish or British in invention as they describe citizenship, and I am not a citizen of those countries.

Perhaps he had dual citizenship, who knows, but I think its safe to say that there is much more evidence to suggest Basketball is an American invention, even if only because it was invented in America and thrived here long before anywhere else.

[TheGame]

Psst... Canada is in a contenent called North America. So even if he was born in raised in Canada and was never a US citezen, he'd still be an "American". So Wiki simply saying he's an 'Canadian American' doesn't say anything. Being an "American" is the most vauge thing you can be since almost everyone in the western hemisphere could be considered one.

Was the sport created in Canada or the US? Who knows... But it was created by a Canadian.

[Typhoid]

He was an American, regardless of where he was born...America is a country, and his citizenship was American. Therefore he is American...Perhaps he had dual citizenship, who knows,

He was born a Canadian who, when he was 30 - moved to Springfield to teach at the YMCA.

He was the son of two Scottish immigrants.
So he is a Scottish-Canadian, who took dual-citizenship after the age of 30 to become a Canadian-Born Scot, living in America; while still being Canadian.

He moved to the US to become the Phys Ed teacher at the YMCA. Not because he hated one country, or loved another. Because he liked the job that was offered, and needed to be a dual-citizen to work there. Was he an American? No. He was a Canadian-American. The reason the "Canadian" part gets thrown to the side is because the sport was conceived in the US, despite the inventor, so omitting the fact he is/was Canadian, makes it seem like a purely American creation.


Fun Facts:
Walkie-Talkies, Pagers, Telephones, Electric Wheelchairs, G-Suits, Sonar, Insulin, Peanut Butter, Pablum, Plexiglass, Garbage Bags, Ceasers, Robertson Screwdrivers, The Wonderbra, Artificial Pacemakers, Zippers, Java Programming, Standard Time, Electric Ovens, Alkaline Batteries, Synthesizers, Instant Mashed Potatoes, and Basketball are all Canadian inventions.

Fascinating.

[The Duggler]

No, it was invented by an American who was born in Canada. America is a country of immigrants, not unlike Canada. If we were to define origination by the persons roots, no one would be Candadian or American except for indiginous peoples.

America is a country, and his citizenship was American. Therefore he is American. Honestly, if I were a Canadian I would not harp on this. The man obviously loved Canada so much he left it and became an American.

I appreciate your nationalism, but nationalism does not change facts. You're right. Canada is an American country.

[Professor S]

Typhoid, thanks for the clarification. I'll trust trust your sources are better than wikipedia's. The wiki should have stated he was a dual citizen, not Canadian American, which falsely indicates that he was solely an American of Canadian heritage (like African American, etc.). So in the end, both of us can claim the invention of basketball, so everyone should be happy?

You know what is an American invention? AWESOMENESS

http://img1.tvloop.com/img/showpics/7b/a5/l342bc1030000_1_16297.jpg

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;)

[Typhoid]

I'll trust trust your sources are better than wikipedia's.

One-in-the same.

Sure, you can claim awesomeness - it's all yours. But your wife's tits are held up by our Wonderbra.

[Professor S]

Sure, you can claim awesomeness - it's all yours. But your wife's tits are held up by our Wonderbra.

Tits > Wonderbra

And we in invented them... at least the silicone variety. A Texan. Go figure.

[Angrist]

Interesting how a thread about a Turkey - USA final turned into a discussion about Canadian inventions.

[Typhoid]

Tits > Wonderbra

And we in invented them... at least the silicone variety. A Texan. Go figure.


Real Tits > Silicone.


Angrist, it appears to be about tits.

[Professor S]

Real Tits > Silicone.


Angrist, it appears to be about tits.

And that is something we can all agree on.

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[Angrist]

That was actually a big hit when Super Mario Bros. launched 25 years ago.