This or That: Mario RPG Series

[BreakABone]

This one shall be fun, as opinions tend to vary, and usually comes down to a debate on which style you like (though honestly, there is no longer a debate in my book ;) )

Let's meet our contenders ladies and gentlemen

Super Mario RPG
http://upload.digiex.net/files/xrql61rfaovmah1oeb78.jpg
The original.

Paper Mario
http://welcomeconsumer.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/paper_mario_64_md.jpg
The spiritual successor.

Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga
http://www.tenstones.net/forums/members/evilbob-albums-illegal_donkey_porn-picture2054-superstarsaga_box.jpg

Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
http://www.gametab.com/images/ss/gcn/2614/box-l.jpg
The Paper-crafted sequel.

Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time
http://www.pwned.com/gamecovers/ds/5fc2c3a3c86c22218c349cabe4fd52cd-Mario___Luigi__Partners_in_Time.jpg

Who let the babies out, woof woof

Mario and Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story
http://ds.kombo.com/images/content/boxart/bowsers_inside_story.jpg
Did someone page the King of Awesome?

So there we have it, I will note that Super Paper Mario didn't make the cut as the RPG to platform ratio is vastly different than in any other game in the series.

So let's hear it, which is the best of the best, the cream of the crop, the one to rule em all?

[Primewax]

Well, personally my favorite is Super Mario RPG, but that's mostly because of nostalgia. The most fun I've had playing one was Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga. Although that's quickly changing, as you know, the further I get into Bowser's Inside Story :)

[magus113]

I think Earl is opening a can of worms that I don't know if he wants to open, but I'll bite.

I've only played Super Mario RPG, Paper Mario, and all three of the Mario & Luigi games. I've only completed the Mario & Luigi games, but this was mostly due to my dedication and the fact that I didn't any of these games in their prime. So lemme leave my wall of text here and I'll make my decision.

Super Mario RPG, the Mario RPG to start them all. I remember seeing the ads for them in the Toys R Us and Geo telling me about his playthrough constantly. I never tired of hearing it, and I always wanted to play it. Sadly I never got around to being able to do this until the time of emulators (or when I discovered them at any rate) and my dedication for finishing games when they're emulated is nowhere near as close to having an actual copy of the game and the console to play it (i.e. I only finished Chrono Trigger after high school when I actually bought the cart for the SNES). The game is fun! And while I can agree with Earl, that it feels like a Square game with Mario in it, I don't let that detract from how fun it is. There's a lot of new fresh stuff that Square took liberties with and stuff that they kept intact for Mario fans alike. The game looked great for it's time, and it was nice and lengthy. Everything a old-school RPG was, and should have been.

I didn't get too into Paper Mario until later in life. I (still) own an N64 and I had come across the cart in some old GameStop used stuff, but I never stuck around because I was playing so many other things, and I had a lot of other current-gen console games to be playing. While I don't think there was much humor to the game compared to the other Mario RPGs I've played, it was very different and it became a predecessor to even better Mario RPG games in the future. My only gripe with the game was that it felt like things were going very slowly with the game. You walked slow, text came up slow, battles might have dragged on, but it was still good. I hope to finally finish it in the future.

Mario and Luigi Superstar Saga on the GBA. MAN did I have fun playing this game. The battle system brought a lot from Paper Mario and some other aspects from SMRPG, and it took the series in a much better, more humorous direction. Fawful is awesome, Mario and Luigi's voices were awesome, everything was just awesome! I don't think I ever had a gripe with playing the game. The pacing was great, there was lots of extra stuff to do, and it wasn't all "I'm a JRPG and I'm gonna rub it in your face" either. It was oriented for a large audience, both Mario RPG and Mario fans old and new, and I think they did a great job.

But then I don't think things came out as well with M&L: Partners in Time. I played the game in it's entirety, but there really isn't much that I remember about it to be quite honest. It seemed kinda forgetful for me for some reason, and while having Baby Mario and Baby Luigi around made for some interesting stuff, I felt the game was too easy, and again, not too memorable. It's probably on the bottom of my list, but my appreciation for Mario RPG games is high so don't think I'm throwing it down with the likes of other terrible games. It just isn't my favorite.

And then Bowser's Inside Story. They came back with full force with humor, nice visuals, innovative gameplay mechanics with Gigantor Bowser, and the whole battle system in general being revamped to include Bowser, as well as Mario and Luigi around at all times. The premise was really farfetched but it just showed how well the developers knew to appeal to our funny bones, making us laugh and not scoff at how preposterous it all was. It took the last two games and brought them to new heights. It also made much better use of the technical capabilities of the DS, like the controls and the stylus which I thought was good since it was pretty much absent in Partners in Time.

So my verdict?

Gonna have to be Bowser's Inside Story if only for the epic ass kicking right in the last boss fight. I literally shouted "Take that!" everytime they whacked that asshole, I was having that much fun.

[Bond]

Well, personally my favorite is Super Mario RPG, but that's mostly because of nostalgia. The most fun I've had playing one was Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga. Although that's quickly changing, as you know, the further I get into Bowser's Inside Story :)
Welcome to the forums, Primewax!

[KillerGremlin]

Paper Mario.

[Bube]

I only played Superstar Saga and Partners in Time, played SMRPG for a tiny little bit, but never got anywhere for the same reason as Magus.

Superstar Saga is one of my favorite games ever, so I guess that's saying a lot :)

And I really want to play Bowser's Inside Story.

[magus113]

I only played Superstar Saga and Partners in Time, played SMRPG for a tiny little bit, but never got anywhere for the same reason as Magus.

Superstar Saga is one of my favorite games ever, so I guess that's saying a lot :)

And I really want to play Bowser's Inside Story.

You're missing out desperately until you do.

[Primewax]

Welcome to the forums, Primewax!

Thanks! Took long enough lol

[Thespis721]

I'm a fan of the Mario RPGs. Even Partners in Time. I wasn't a big fan of the Paper Mario series. Though I only played Thousand Year Door. I felt that game was a little too long for it's own good. I eventually just wanted the game to end. Perhaps the jokes and humor wasn't as effective later in the game.

My favorite is probably Mario RPG, but I haven't played Bowsers Inside Story.

[thatmariolover]

I've played through all of them a few times, and it's still hard to sort out why they're uniquely good. I'm just going to talk about the first, for now (mostly because I think we have a few haters here).

I think SMRPG had a few synergies that made it so successful.

First of all, it was the first game of its kind for many Mario fans. It was somewhat familiar for those that had played other SNES RPG's, but there were still certain dynamics that were unique to it. For example, timed attacks were a great addition to the game, and helped combat flow by keeping the player focused. But in terms of pure mechanics, the game wasn't terribly special.

There was a human element that also played largely on the game. Mario's world got a lot bigger, and characters were more detailed, nevermind the introduction of new races and characters. There was tons of comedy, a plethora of secrets to find, and a whole new world to explore.

[Fox 6]

I loved the first Paper Mario. Partners in time couldnt hold my interest for some reason.

[Dyne]

Only one answer. Super Mario RPG. Squaresoft in its heyday - heck, it made FF7 right after that, and it took all the best elements of FFVI and Chrono Trigger and added Mario gameplay. What more could you ask for?

I still need to beat Paper Mario to appease Earl though. :p

[Typhoid]

The only one I've played/have is the one for SNES.

[manasecret]

Gotta love Super Mario RPG for SNES. I've only played Paper Mario A Thousand Year Door otherwise, which I liked. But nostalgia tells me SMRPG is the best.

[magus113]

Everyone here really needs to try at least one of the Mario and Luigi games. At least the first or Bowser's Inside Story. They're really great.

[BreakABone]

I think the easy/best answer is Bowser's Inside Story.

It does everything I want in a Mario RPG. It gives the world a unique take, but still offers plenty of platforming. Its fun and funny and pokes fun at itself when needed. The plot is nonsensical but enjoyable.

The battle system is both refreshing and engaging. while it is pretty much the evolution of the Mario and Luigi franchise, I think the addition of Bowser helps balance it out. It uses the touch screen and dual screen in interesting ways without becoming a chore. And it has some AWESOME boss battles.

[TheSlyMoogle]

SMRPG. Nough said.

I've played every RPG in the mario line, and still have to say no one did it better than square. I find it highly unfortunate that square and nintendo fell out of touch right after it because of the things they could have done.

I also feel really sad that Geno and Mallow were lost for good with the end of the Square/Nintendo love. Square owned Mallow and Geno. Rumor has it Nintendo tried to buy the rights to the characters but sadly square wasn't doing it, and unfortunately square couldn't use the characters either due to some legal shit with nintendo about it.

Honestly would say it was the raw dealings between square and nintendo that kept nintendo from letting people play with it's babies until Metroid Prime. Which turned out to be hugely successful.

Anyway nothing will ever bring me the joy again that SMRPG did probably. I remember being like 11 and the first time you fall down the mountain to get frog coins, or discovering the lucky shell set, or the Axim rangers, or trying to get 100 jumps on an enemy (Which btw is still the hardest thing I've ever done in a video game.)

As far as the Mario and Luigi series goes, I've had a lot of fun with those, though at a point I feel like they always stop being fun around the last third of the game. I don't know why, but even inside story just stopped being entertaining to me around the last part of the game. Usually by the end I'm like "Sheesh glad that's over"

On the other hand SMRPG is always awesome. In fact there's no point in time that I replay that game that I'm not like "OMG I LOVE YOU SMRPG!"

[BreakABone]

I also feel really sad that Geno and Mallow were lost for good with the end of the Square/Nintendo love. Square owned Mallow and Geno. Rumor has it Nintendo tried to buy the rights to the characters but sadly square wasn't doing it, and unfortunately square couldn't use the characters either due to some legal shit with nintendo about it.


All I got to say is good riddance to such horrible looking characters.

[magus113]

All I got to say is good riddance to such horrible looking characters.

You shut it. Geno was awesome.

[TheSlyMoogle]

You shut it. Geno was awesome.

Yeah I would hands down take games like Geno Tennis, Geno SuperStrikers and oh Geno Galaxies over Mario.

Geno was so cool that he defeated mario. As if you would know, doubt you've even played SMRPG earl.

Also when you say things like that it makes Mallow and Geno not like you:

http://images.elfwood.com/fanq/c/h/christicat3/geno_and_mallow_from_mario_rpg.jpg