A Political Cartoon

[GameMaster]

Here is a political cartoon regarding recent issues of the world. What feelings and reactions does it evoke within you?

http://home.attbi.com/~jpjford/wsb/media/18136/site1016.jpg

[DimHalo]

I am going to be completely honest here and say that I very rarely understand political cartoons. I usually have to have them explained to me.

[Revival]

How very true :unsure:

[Happydude]

Originally posted by jeepnut's slave
I am going to be completely honest here and say that I very rarely understand political cartoons. I usually have to have them explained to me.

yeah...:unsure:

[Jin]

It's sad how many people in the middle east think that they can get what they want through violence when it can be done just as easily in a peaceful way. All suicide bombing is going to do is kill innocent lives. Has it done anything other than that?

Also, isn't the islamic faith about peace? Then why do they think they're doing Allah's will by killing innocent people and themselves? This isn't their god's will, but the will of resentful and evil people that use their religion as an excuse to get their way.

[Revival]

Explanation: King and Ghandi were non-violent people. They settled all of their problems with non-violence, and now in the middle east, they have suicide bombers that think they are the solution to all of this.

[Heyyoudvd]

The Palestinians aren't using violence to solve their problems.
That's a common misconception.

They blowing themselves up just for the sake of killing Israelis.

There are a lot of pshychotic, twisted people in this world that use religion as an excuse to murder.

They're taught in school, by their parents, and by their government that by killing Israelies/Jews, they go straight to heaven, where 72 beautiful virgins will be waiting for them to have unlimited sex, while drinking fine wines and lying on green cushions.

It's really disgusting how Yasser Arafat and the PA is brainwashing the Palestinian civilians to believe all this crap.

[Andromida_]

Thanks for the explanation... I had no clue what it meant either.

[gekko]

Originally posted by Shooter
Explanation: King and Ghandi were non-violent people. They settled all of their problems with non-violence, and now in the middle east, they have suicide bombers that think they are the solution to all of this.

They both solved their problems, somewhat at least in the end.

But they both got their ass shot, and Ghandi got a ton of his followers killed.

[Revival]

That's not part of the moral gekko, but yes, you do have a point :D

And hey, these suicide bombers end up dead too, I mean they are blowing themselves up to kill others.

[gekko]

Well then it's simple. Do you want to die, or die and take 20 enemies down with you?

[Jin]

Originally posted by gekko
Well then it's simple. Do you want to die, or die and take 20 enemies down with you?

If you really want to solve a problem the latter won't work, because the enemy will become resentful and won't give in to your demands.

If Martin Luther King led African Americans to burn the houses of white people down, do you think the government would have listened? The government would most likely put all these people in jail and it would have been another 20 years before African Americans were treated equally. Do you think the British with superiority over the Indians would have given them independance if Gandhi had just led riots?

[Bond]

What King wanted would have happened regardless of him, someone else would have. It would have happened if he tried other ways or someone tried other ways. It all would have played out the same. It just depends on when and how it would happen.

[gekko]

Originally posted by Jin


If you really want to solve a problem the latter won't work, because the enemy will become resentful and won't give in to your demands.

Uh huh, unless you kill enough of them. Japan ring a bell?

[Jin]

Originally posted by gekko


Uh huh, unless you kill enough of them. Japan ring a bell?

Well, if you're superior in military strength you can just wipe them out, but I was referring to groups that weren't nearly as powerful as their counter-parts. Palestine has no chance of wiping out Isreal, a country that is not just powerful, but has the strongest military in the world supporting it.

These suicide bombings have done nothing, except take the lives of innocent citizens and made Isreal and the rest of the world feel that Palestine is in the wrong. So in actuality these people have taken their lives, and dozens of others for no point. That is unless they really do get 75 virgins that'll listen to their every request.:D Hehe... first of all, how do they find 75 women for each man? And second of all, that area is so perverted that I don't think there's even 1 virgin around.;) For the record, no where in the Karan does it say that you'll get 75 virgins for killing the enemy. That was a made up lie by corrupt leaders that know the truth and would never become a suicide bomber themselves.

[Angrist]

Has anyone mentioned that Israel is going way too far?! Like destroying whole town, with ppl still in their houses??? :mad:

[Jin]

Originally posted by Angrist
Has anyone mentioned that Israel is going way too far?! Like destroying whole town, with ppl still in their houses??? :mad:

Since when did they start destroying whole towns? I know they've patrolled a few, but I don't think they've ever demolished a town. Can you post a link?

[Heyyoudvd]

Angrist, Israel hasn't gone nearly far enough. They've been way too nice to the Palestinians.

WHy is it that when the U.S. gets attcked, they have the right to obliterrate their enemy, even though this enemy isn't threatedning their existence, whereas when Israel is attacked (and its very existence is being threatened), it's automatically gone too far?

BTW, I think you're referring to what happened in Jenin, and it was completely blown out of proportion, as the world's media is so anti-Israel.

I've seen pictures, and the area that was destroyed was probably about 3% of the entire city.

And most of the area destroyed was from the Palestinians anyways-not the Israelis.

The Palestinians set traps up (bombs all over the city) so that way, when the Israeli soldiers walk into certain houses, the entire house would collapse on them, or some srot of weapons would injure them. This is what caused most of teh destruction in that city.

That's how those 23 Israelis were murdered.

BTW, I've seen interviews with some Palestinians who took par tin this, and they didn't consider it a massacre at all. They only said this to the media.

To them, the whole thing was a game, in which they were 'hunting' Israelis and trying to kill them.

[Angrist]

What?? I'm actually the only one who thinks Israël shouldn't use that much violence??? :eek: You people are weird... Well, I guess it's because you're Americans and you have Bush. :rolleyes:

[Heyyoudvd]

Angrist, I'm actually Canadian, and I have Chretien (who's an absolute moron, I might add, but that's off topic)

Anyways, how is what Israel's doing going too far? What would you do if people came in to your country, and started murdering people who are going about their every day lives in restaurants, discos, and on buses almost daily?

[Bond]

Originally posted by Angrist
What?? I'm actually the only one who thinks Israël shouldn't use that much violence??? :eek: You people are weird... Well, I guess it's because you're Americans and you have Bush. :rolleyes:
Yeah, Bush is one big idiot. :rolleyes:

It would be nearly impossible for Israel to destroy entire towns with tanks and armed persons. It would take at least weeks or so, to destroy an entire town with tanks. Of course they are nuclear capable... that would take nearly minutes.

Oh yeah, lets compare what type of situation Europe is compared to the United States and we'll see how good Bush is.

If Palestine had the military power that Israel did they would use it without a doubt. But all they have is people blowing themselves up, so that's what they use. Now isn't that sad?

[Angrist]

My point is, they are BOTH SAD! Israel should try to solve the problem politically, not by force. They're not getting anywhere with it. The more Israel attacks the Palastines, the more the Palestines attack back, AND THE OTHER WAY ROUND!

Those people just hate eachother SO much, they'll keep killing eachother until they have what they want. And I'm not saying that the answer to all the problems will be easy, just that violence isn't the way. Amen.

[Jin]

On a side note, how are the peace talks going?

[Heyyoudvd]

Originally posted by Angrist
My point is, they are BOTH SAD! Israel should try to solve the problem politically, not by force. They're not getting anywhere with it. The more Israel attacks the Palastines, the more the Palestines attack back, AND THE OTHER WAY ROUND!


That's not how it is at all.

Do you know why Bin Laden and Al Quaeda attacked The United States on September 11th?

It's because over the past 8 months the U.S. has been attacking Afghanistan.

Do you know why Hitler murdered so many millions of people? It's because the United Stated and other countries attacked on June 6th, 1944 (D-day).

You're basically saying the same thing. The fact of the matter is that Israel has only been retaliating over terrorist attacks.
The "Cycle of Violence" is a false term, just concocted by the media. There is no cycle of violence, just like you wouldn't call the storming of Normandy in 1944 as part of a cycle of violence.


BTW, Israel has tried to solve the problem politically a million times, but the Palestinians simply won't accept any agreements since Arafat will settle for nothing less than all of Israel, and the destruction of all the Jews.

Just look at the Camp David Accords. Former Israeli Prime Minister, Ehud Barak offered Arafat 97% of the West Bank, 3% of Israel Proper, AND Jerusalem as its capital. This was by far the single largest offer any nation in the world has ever offered another, yet Arafat still rejected it.


This even dates back to the Oslo accords of 1993. Arafat signed a peace agreement with former Israel prime minister Yitzchak Rabin (now deceased), but did Arafat ever keep this peace? No. He's broken practically every single thing on these accords.


Let me ask you, what do you expect Israel to do in its situation?

It's givent eh Palestinians, land, money, and even plenty of weapons. It's tried diplomacy a million times, and the Palestinians still don't agree to anything, and Arafat continues on his mission to destroy the state of Israel.