nintendo killing the xbox.

[Crash]

About Nintendo: Imanishi also said 2.23 million GameCubes were sold in the United States between its November launch and March.

About the Xbox: Officer Robbie Bach said the console sold 1.8 million units in North America in the five months after its Nov. 15 launch.

The Xbox's top title, the Microsoft-produced "Halo," has sold more than a million copies globally to date.

SSBM: has sold about 2.5 million.

source: reuters.

[Shadow_Link]

Ah, hmmmm... Well, I guess Nintendo has most definately wrapped up that 2nd place worldwide :D

I first thought that if MS were to come anywhere near second place, they would need to hold onto the american market, and also a large chunk of the European market. Now that Nintendo is clearly selling more units than MS in all three regions, that's how I see it staying. You only need to see the Nintendo titles coming out from now on.

Oh, and SSM:M has yet to come out in Europe ;) Get ready to see a surge in those figures :D.

[Old Skool]

this is from ign :
The first European sales figures from Microsoft were announced with the company claiming 500,000 units sold in that territory along with an 88% attach rate for the all-powerful Halo. That's 440,000 copies of Bungie's breakthrough first person shooter for those of you slow on the math. In fact, Halo was leading the pack of top selling Xbox games along with the four other titles that sold more than 500,000 copies. All tolled, the Xbox could boast more than 20 titles that have seen sales of 100,000 copies or more compared to the ten 100,000+ titles for the GameCube over the first five months of each system's US run.


I don't think Nintendo are having it all there own way the fact there not selling much software is a BIG problem and will make games makers turn there back on the big N again! 3rd party games makers don't care how many consoles are sold they only care about the amount of software sold and gamecube is doing real bad.

[Angrist]

Well let them make better games then!! Is it N's fault that most of the GC games are crap?? They're working on their own games of course, but it's like the X-Box gets so much more games! While the console doesn't sell as well as the Cube!

And 500.000 after 2 months? That's pathetic compared to the 400.000 Cubes sold in ONE WEEK. There.

[Perfect Stu]

If Gamecube is killing the Xbox, then PS2 is wiping its ass with the Gamecube...

:D

[Angrist]

True true...

But the PS2 has been out for over a year. Give the Cube some time!!

[Idiot]

Well after this, I would say that the PS3 has a snowballs hope in hell of beating the next Nintendo console. The revoloution is coming....... maybe.:D

[TheGame]

Originally posted by Idiot
Well after this, I would say that the PS3 has a snowballs hope in hell of beating the next Nintendo console. The revoloution is coming....... maybe.:D

depends... If Ps3 has easy development, and a decent price point, and a one year head start, Nintendo might as well declare thier next gen system beat right now too.

[Professor S]

I see the Gamecube doing exactly what the N64 did, riding along the outside almost like an entity in itself. It never ever seemed to be completing with the Playstation.

The Gamecube will do well, and be profitable, but I never see it becoming #1. Nintendo seems to be trying to keep out of the whole console war thing all together, which in a way is a good thing.

Nintendo's problem right now is that I believe that Nintendo rushed the launch of he Gamecube to keep up with the XBox. There just aren't enough games for it and look at how much time has passed since its release. Thats just horrible preparation.

I don't think Nintendo's games were pushed back for testing or development problems, I think Nintendo just bold faced lied to their public so that they would buy a Gamecube at or near launch because they thought all the great games would be arriving shortly. Now it looks like it will be close to a year after launch when games like SMS, Starfox and others will be released.

If I were a Gamecube owner who bought the system before the price cut (in the US), I would be quite pissed right now because you paid $50 more than everyone else who bought the console afterwards and I had no games for it.

[fingersman]

Originally posted by Old Skool
this is from ign :



3rd party games makers don't care how many consoles are sold they only care about the amount of software sold and gamecube is doing real bad.


Oh please, that part about 3rd parties not caring about the amount of systems sold is alot of crap.....why do you think the Ps2 is doing so good?? because of it's superior technology?? No, Ps2 is getting heaps of support because of their market share....I think if Nintendo or Microsoft had Sony's share, I think suppport would have been thrown behind them.

Soooo the amount of consoles sold has alot to do with how 3rd parties support a system.:D

If a system only sells a little bit...you think 3rd parties are going to throw their full support behind the system?? Naww I don't think so.

Please remember that a year hasn't pass with all three systems being out yet...and the European launch just happen a few weeks ago. I mean look at the Americian launch Xbox was beating Gamecube ...and now look, Gamecube has Xbox beat in America ( well atleast for now)....so all in all I would say it takes time to determine a winner....and in console wars it's usually 4 years.


And idiot you can't say that PS3 doesn't have a chance in hell in beating Nintendo's next console.....no one really knows what will happen in the next gen war.:D

[Revival]

Originally posted by Perfect Stu
If Gamecube is killing the Xbox, then PS2 is wiping its ass with the Gamecube...

:D
LMAO! So true :lol:

[TheGame]

Originally posted by fingersman



Oh please, that part about 3rd parties not caring about the amount of systems sold is alot of crap.....why do you think the Ps2 is doing so good?? because of it's superior technology?? No, Ps2 is getting heaps of support because of their market share....I think if Nintendo or Microsoft had Sony's share, I think suppport would have been thrown behind them.

Soooo the amount of consoles sold has alot to do with how 3rd parties support a system.:D

If a system only sells a little bit...you think 3rd parties are going to throw their full support behind the system?? Naww I don't think so.

If that's true... why Didn't EA Support Dreamcast? Why were no college sports games released on N64 (with a 50 Million userbase)?

Because the games wouldn't sell...

What Old Skool is saying is that the userbase is what developers look at, not the total amount of sales.

Why do you think Sonic Adventure was only ported to GCN??? Nintendo didn't pay for it, did they? It's because Sonic has no competition on Gamecube, and Gamecube fans are more likely to buy that game than Xbox or Ps2 fans. Sega barely spend anything to port it (and even got help from Nintendo advertizing)... and it became a million seller...

Now... why would Shunume 3 only be on Xbox? Simple, Xbox owners are said to be more hardcore gamers than Ps2 and GCN owners. So Sega wouldn't have to spend as much for Shenume to sell on Xbox.

Just an example.

[fingersman]

Originally posted by The Strangler
I see the Gamecube doing exactly what the N64 did, riding along the outside almost like an entity in itself. It never ever seemed to be completing with the Playstation.

The Gamecube will do well, and be profitable, but I never see it becoming #1. Nintendo seems to be trying to keep out of the whole console war thing all together, which in a way is a good thing.

Nintendo's problem right now is that I believe that Nintendo rushed the launch of he Gamecube to keep up with the XBox. There just aren't enough games for it and look at how much time has passed since its release. Thats just horrible preparation.

I don't think Nintendo's games were pushed back for testing or development problems, I think Nintendo just bold faced lied to their public so that they would buy a Gamecube at or near launch because they thought all the great games would be arriving shortly. Now it looks like it will be close to a year after launch when games like SMS, Starfox and others will be released.

If I were a Gamecube owner who bought the system before the price cut (in the US), I would be quite pissed right now because you paid $50 more than everyone else who bought the console afterwards and I had no games for it.


Oh please Ps2 had the same problem with it's games...it took a while for Ps2 to get AAA titles....and Nintendo fans were like of oh look Ps2 launch sucks and now everyone is like oh ps2 rocks ..look at the games etc etc.( and it's true)

Now GC launched Ps2 fans are like oh look at the GC no real games ( which is sorta true) hahahaha their launch sucks.


But it takes time to get the AAA games out.....and if you think nintendo lied about the games after launch...welll you might be right...I mean why would people buy a system right away if they think the games they want are a year away?? So yeah, it might be lieing but I think every company does it in a way. :D I think


Oh yeah sorry about the double post ...but I'm not posy cramming so I don't think the mods will mind. :D

[TheGame]

Originally posted by fingersman



Oh please Ps2 had the same problem with it's games...it took a while for Ps2 to get AAA titles....and Nintendo fans were like of oh look Ps2 launch sucks and now everyone is like oh ps2 rocks ..look at the games etc etc.( and it's true)

Now GC launched Ps2 fans are like oh look at the GC no real games ( which is sorta true) hahahaha their launch sucks.


But it takes time to get the AAA games out.....and if you think nintendo lied about the games after launch...welll you might be right...I mean why would people buy a system right away if they think the games they want are a year away?? So yeah, it might be lieing but I think every company does it in a way. :D I think


Oh yeah sorry about the double post ...but I'm not posy cramming so I don't think the mods will mind. :D

The difference between Sony's and Gamecube's launch is...

Nintendo had 2 competitor that were really threats.. Ps2 had one competitor and it wasn't even a threat. Ps2 didn't even need good games back then. But Nintendo does need them.

BIG Dif

[fingersman]

Originally posted by TheGame


If that's true... why Didn't EA Support Dreamcast? Why were no college sports games released on N64 (with a 50 Million userbase)?

Because the games wouldn't sell...

What Old Skool is saying is that the userbase is what developers look at, not the total amount of sales.

Why do you think Sonic Adventure was only ported to GCN??? Nintendo didn't pay for it, did they? It's because Sonic has no competition on Gamecube, and Gamecube fans are more likely to buy that game than Xbox or Ps2 fans. Sega barely spend anything to port it (and even got help from Nintendo advertizing)... and it became a million seller...

Now... why would Shunume 3 only be on Xbox? Simple, Xbox owners are said to be more hardcore gamers than Ps2 and GCN owners. So Sega wouldn't have to spend as much for Shenume to sell on Xbox.

Just an example.


Ahh I've been waiting for you to respond..hehehe
Now I got you I have to say that it your .......





Right in a way:D....I guess it has to do with the userbase...as well as the market share...but I guess I misunderstood what Old skool was saying....unless you wer putting words in his mouths. :p j/k

And maybe Nintendo didn't get those games because of the memory problems with the N64....I mean don't you find it strange that EA didn't support Nintendo64 with any sports games and now annouces a ton of them for Cube ( don't tell that the nintendo userbase has changed so drastically in about one year)...I think that the lack of sports games from EA had to do with the hardware of the 64....not the userbase this time. SO there :p

[fingersman]

Originally posted by TheGame


The difference between Sony's and Gamecube's launch is...

Nintendo had 2 competitor that were really threats.. Ps2 had one competitor and it wasn't even a threat. Ps2 didn't even need good games back then. But Nintendo does need them.

BIG Dif

You again...don't you anything better to do than debate?? :D


Now I didn't say Nintendo didn't need the good games..did I?? I just said that it takes time to get them out....but yes Nintendo could have done with some more good games near launch. But they seem to be doing pretty well so far. Even you got to admit that. But face it none of the 3 launches were spectacular at all. In fact the gaming business is now picking up. :D

[Gamer]

I think ill not ruin my day of glory by involving myself in this. :rolleyes:

[gekko]

:rolleyes:

Does anyone really care? I got sick of the Xbox/Gamecube debate well before the system's launched. Now it's just annoying. Not like I'm going to be buying either one of them again.

[Professor S]

Fingersman, I understand that it takes time for a system to put out great games, but almost a YEAR? Thats poor planning.

[fingersman]

Originally posted by The Strangler
Fingersman, I understand that it takes time for a system to put out great games, but almost a YEAR? Thats poor planning.

Well I could debate about that...but Gekko and Gamer might beat me for spoiling their E3 glory...sooooooooo....I'll agree with you. :D


for now ;)

[Professor S]

Well I hope the GCN comes out with some more great games soon, because I'm planning on getting one with WMX8. Sp here's to hoping I'm wrong too.:beerchug:

[GameKinG]

To the person who said nintendo rushed the launch: Untrue. They released it a year later then they said they would.

Also, I find these sales good for nintendo. And if sony's next console has some bizzare thing that turns people off then ninny may have chance of really competing.

[bobcat]

Originally posted by GameKinG
To the person who said nintendo rushed the launch: Untrue. They released it a year later then they said they would.

Also, I find these sales good for nintendo. And if sony's next console has some bizzare thing that turns people off then ninny may have chance of really competing.
IMO all next gen launches were a bit below average (Ps2 being the worst).

Ps2 only had one game that interested me which was TTT.

Xbox had 2 games that interested me (Halo and DOA3).

GC had a few games that I liked such as Waverace BS and ROgue Squadron, and Monkey Ball.

DC was my favourite launch by far. Sonic ADventure, Soul Calibur, SFA3, Powerstone. It was all good. Ah the memories.

[TheGame]

Originally posted by GameKinG
To the person who said nintendo rushed the launch: Untrue. They released it a year later then they said they would.

Lol, the same person who said it was rushed said Nintendo lies about dates :)

Think about it... Nintendo was NEVER planning to Release GCN in fall of 200, that was a blatant lie. Not one game would have been ready for launch... and apparently, the game farthest along indevelopment in Fall 2000 was Luigi's Mansion, which wasn't even near finished.

Fall 2000 was a lie date.. get that clear.

Fall 2001 was the planned date, and Nintendo should probably have delayed.... if they would have said 2001 in the first place, the delay wouldn't have been easier... but they put themselves in a hole of delays, so we got GCN in it's current form.

Not Horrible, but not near as good as it could have been.

[Professor S]

Well look at the games that have been released since launch. Basically Nintendo had a decent handful of launch titles and then... and then... and then... and then... Resident Evil was released. That is an exagerration, but there still has been a drought of games since launch.

IMO, Nintendo would have waited until Spring to launch their system if the XBox wasn't going to be released in November. Nintendo rushed so that they wouldn't get cut off at the pass.

I mean, I WOULD believe that, but its not in Nintendo's character to LIE or anything...:D ;)

[Angrist]

Originally posted by gekko
:rolleyes:

Does anyone really care? I got sick of the Xbox/Gamecube debate well before the system's launched. Now it's just annoying. Not like I'm going to be buying either one of them again. Well, now we can see which one 'was better', so it's worth discussing. But I believe this should be in the Fight Club forum. Not that I care, but it looks kinda weird between all those E3 threads.

And Nintendo had to rush the GC in order to be able to compete with the X-Box. With succes if I may say so.