[Let's Play!] Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past

[magus113]

Welcome to the very first GT Let's Play! (Cheesy, badly Photoshopped logo included!)

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b331/scarz0ftime/letsplay.jpg

In our plentiful random discussions, BaB and I have discovered that we both have not completed Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past!

http://memles.files.wordpress.com/2007/01/legend_of_zelda_a_link_to_the_past_snes_screenshot1.jpg

Unacceptable! SO.

We decided that we would play through, side-by-side, and put down our triumphs and our struggles (and possibly show you them) and we'll see if we can finally finish this old classic.

INSTRUCTIONS

- Obviously, you'll need a copy of the game! Whether it be the original SNES cart,
the Wii VC version, or the GBA version. If you own a copy of the game, then emulation
is always an option since you can provide screen caps of your journey if you choose.
(REMINDER: ROMs are illegal if you do not own the game so PLEASE do not emulate
unless you own the game you're emulating!)
- Make notes of anything and everything! Part of the fun of Zelda games is their tendencies
to be linear and non-linear at the same time. So if you took the extra step to get a heart
piece or make yourself rich by killing baddies, or whatever it wouldn't hurt to show how
your playthrough was unique for you!
- GT's servers can only handle so much (and this is me assuming because I don't really know),
so if you're going to use attachments, please use them sparingly. If you want to upload a lot
of pics, try using a Photobucket account or something, and to lower the quality or size of the
picture to make the pages load faster if possible.
- I'm going to try making notes throughout playtime about how my runthrough went, since it'll be
good to not jump ahead of everyone else. I think this effort would work much better if we all posted
our collective summaries at the end of the week to compare. But to each their own, I can't order anyone
around.
- This is not a race. I'm trying to give enough time for everyone to move at their own pace, and
also give time for other things as well. We all have social lives (except for BaB).
- Have fun! This is a classic that should be enjoyed as much as possible for years to come!

Join in if you like, I believe Blue is getting in on it as well. We start Monday!

Also leave some questions if you like. We're kinda making this up as we go.

By Monday the 17th you should have finished fighting Agahnim and entered the Dark World!
By Monday the 24th you should have finished getting the fourth crystal in the Dark World!
By Monday the 31st you should have completed the game! And if you have congratulations! You've beaten one of the best games of all time!

[BreakABone]

I dig the logo.

And would also like to get Acebot and Swan in on this since they have never completed a Zelda game.

[magus113]

And would also like to get Acebot and Swan in on this since they have never completed a Zelda game.

Really guys? Really?

[KillerGremlin]

As I recall BaB never beat Link's Awakening, an even better Zelda game than A Link to the Past.

What I don't get is how you guys have all played Twilight Princess or Wind Waker but you missed out on like the best Zelda games, period.

2D Zelda > 3D Zelda
With the N64 titles *perhaps* being the only exception.

[KillerGremlin]

Seriously, for a "Nintendo forum" you all fail miserably.

[magus113]

I've played Link to the Past, but never completed. And LA would be a good one to do as well. I enjoyed that one highly.

[BreakABone]

Well one the "Nintendo" label on the forum... should probably be dropped. We are hardly a gaming forum.

And the bulk of the talk is generally directed to the 360 at this point.

And second, I can't speak for Munk, but I'm not a Zelda fan... nor a Metroid fan... I've always said I'm not a Nintendo fan, but a Mario fan.

The n64 and GCN saw fewer Mario games so I passed the time by playing some of Nintendo's other franchises.

I think Wind Waker had extraordinary artwork, and TP was... because it was really a launch title for the Wii so yeah.

I've gotten through some of Ocarina of Time, but I don't know it just really doesn't connect with me the same way it connects with everyone else it seems.

[KillerGremlin]

Man...but 2D Zelda....some of the best dungeons, and the most challenging puzzles, but simple and fun gameplay....A Link to the Past was pretty epic, although it is not my favorite 2D Zelda title. Maybe I am biased from my nostalgia, but nothing resonated for me quite like beating Link's Awakening DX.

Wind Waker was a great game, don't get me wrong...it was exceptional. It's not like I hate 3D Zelda, I love 3D Zelda.

[Swan]

If I can track my GBA copy down I will be joining in

[Jason1]

I disagree, I think OOT is the Best Zelda game ever...

But, I might actually do this with you guys we will see, I too have never completed a link to the Past, I own the game boy advance version, and I remember I got well into it but I just didnt complete it...I think I got stuck somewhere and I hate to use guides so I just eventually lost interest.

That being said I have completed Link's Awakening.

[Fyacin]

I got all the way to the last boss in this one and gave up once. I am starting college in a few weeks but if I have time I will play.

[magus113]

I am starting college in a few weeks but if I have time I will play.

BaB and I are hoping to try and finish this in three weeks. My fall semester starts in a few weeks as well. So no worries!

[DeathsHand]

When every circumstance of my life is factored in... Quality, Timing, Nostalgia, Inserts (such a pretty map)...
LttP = Greatest Zelda game ever.
I could beat it in one sitting.

You kids disappoint me.
This has been such a drag.

P.S. Magus, get my bowler off your head.

[Angrist]

I don't think I'm in on this one. I already beat the game at least twice (SNES + AGB).
I also like to play Zelda games by myself or maybe with my brother... I don't want to type about it online.

I never finished the first (halfway through) and second (last boss) Zelda. I own them for AGB now, so if we're going to that one day, I'm in.
The other Zelda game I never beat is Phantom Hourglass. I guess I will, I just need to find out where I am and what to do next.

[magus113]

I don't think I'm in on this one. I already beat the game at least twice (SNES + AGB).
I also like to play Zelda games by myself or maybe with my brother... I don't want to type about it online.

I never finished the first (halfway through) and second (last boss) Zelda. I own them for AGB now, so if we're going to that one day, I'm in.
The other Zelda game I never beat is Phantom Hourglass. I guess I will, I just need to find out where I am and what to do next.

I'm pretty sure that we can do more Zelda games in the future, but this is pretty much reserved for classics. And more are going to appeal to different people I'm sure. If we did a GT Let's Play of Chrono Trigger I know Blue would be all over it.

[The Germanator]

I may be into this. We have the SNES at our new studio with a copy of LttP. I've beaten it many times and I really do think it is the best Zelda game ever and possibly my favorite game of all time.

That said, I'm not sure if I can stick to any kind of schedule in terms of playing it unless I take the SNES away from the studio or I just play it instead of recording music.

[magus113]

I may be into this. We have the SNES at our new studio with a copy of LttP. I've beaten it many times and I really do think it is the best Zelda game ever and possibly my favorite game of all time.

That said, I'm not sure if I can stick to any kind of schedule in terms of playing it unless I take the SNES away from the studio or I just play it instead of recording music.

Remember that if the copy is yours emulation is always an option so you can take it with you wherever you go, like on a jump drive or something. And also I don't think I'm gonna say "YOU CAN'T JOIN IN IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA MEET THE SCHEDULED TIMES". It's for all of GT to enjoy. The journaling and comparison thing is just for fun really.

[manasecret]

I got it for WiiVC. Very nice!

I got it when it came out, and I think I'm around halfway through... Well, I know I'm somewhere past the big plot twist midway through that anyone who has ever played a Zelda game knows is coming.

I'll be happy to join in.

[Angrist]

Link's Awakening has no midway plot twist. Therefore it cannot qualify for best Zelda game ever.

Also, you had to collect musical instruments. What was it, Zelda gayden??? :gay:

[magus113]

Oracle of Seasons and Ages were fun for the GBC, even though you collected essences. Don't know what that's about.

Hopefully I'll be planning out the schedule for portions of the game to be finished/blogged about for each week. News of that will be coming in soon.

[Angrist]

I wasn't very serious about the instruments.

I've never played Chrono Trigger, how's that? I think there's a DS port now? I might have to get that one day...

[magus113]

I wasn't very serious about the instruments.

I've never played Chrono Trigger, how's that? I think there's a DS port now? I might have to get that one day...

The DS port looked and played pretty much the same. The controls could be kept like the original or updated, and I believe there was something about an extra dungeon, but that is a game that is timeless.

See what I did there?

[Angrist]

No I don't see it.

[magus113]

No I don't see it.

Chrono Trigger is a game about manipulating time. I said it was timeless.

Bad joke.

[Angrist]

Oooh... I thought you were just trying to link the game to its past.

[magus113]

Just posted the first milestone for Monday the 17th in the original post underneath instructions.

[Bond]

I thought I had Link to the Past for GBA, but it's actually Link's Awakening. *cries*

[magus113]

I thought I had Link to the Past for GBA, but it's actually Link's Awakening. *cries*

Well if you have a Wii there's always the VC release. I know GameStop prolly won't have the GBA releases.

[BreakABone]

I got it for Wii VC. Biggest screen.

Shall be interesting to play a Zelda game with only one weapon besides your sword at the ready.

Also having a magic meter.

[KillerGremlin]

I got it for Wii VC. Biggest screen.

Shall be interesting to play a Zelda game with only one weapon besides your sword at the ready.

Also having a magic meter.

How much did that cost on Wii-VC?

[magus113]

How much did that cost on Wii-VC?

I believe it's somewhere around 800 points? Whatever the standard SNES price is.

[BreakABone]

Its 800 space bucks.

I had 900 points laying around so not too bad.

[Angrist]

I wasn't sure if this deserved its own thread, but how awesome is this?

http://zarkseven.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/link-red-lions.jpg?w=225&h=300
At first I thought it was a toy figure, I immediately considered ebay to find it. Then I found out it's actually a paper model!
You can find the ship here:
http://members.home.nl/saarloos/zeldamodels.htm#the%20King%20of%20Red%20Lions

I've known about these models for years now, but this time I think I finally really have to print/make one!

[magus113]

This is just a reminder that the Let's Play of LttP has begun! You have until next Monday to enter the Dark World! Good luck!

[magus113]

I seem to have forgotten how frustrating this can be at times.

[magus113]

I wasn't sure if this deserved its own thread, but how awesome is this?

http://zarkseven.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/link-red-lions.jpg?w=225&h=300
At first I thought it was a toy figure, I immediately considered ebay to find it. Then I found out it's actually a paper model!
You can find the ship here:
http://members.home.nl/saarloos/zeldamodels.htm#the%20King%20of%20Red%20Lions

I've known about these models for years now, but this time I think I finally really have to print/make one!

I've tried making paper models before. They're great but just very very time consuming. I have two that I made. One is a Contra diorama and the other is the Shagohod from Metal Gear Solid 3.

[Angrist]

The first minutes of ALttP are awesome. I should play them once in a while. The rain, the darkness, the missing uncle... I wish the new Zeldas would have more epic stuff like that. Although I have to say that TP had a lot more than the previous ones (the horse cart, the battle on the bridge...).

[Jason1]

Bah I dont have time for this good idea though.

[magus113]

Why do I have the feeling not many are participating?

For those that are, how are you coming along if you've started?

[manasecret]

I'm starting this weekend. I'm already ahead since I'm a bit into the Dark World already.

[magus113]

I'm starting this weekend. I'm already ahead since I'm a bit into the Dark World already.

Awesome! I think my scheduling is gonna be a little funky too due to taking whatever time I can with work during the day. I also plan to have this and two other games finished before my fall semester starts again. But I'm keeping notes for the logs at the end of each week.

My notes being screen caps that is.

[BreakABone]

Since this was partially my idea, I guess I should post as well.

Just received the second pendant, which means I am probably twice as far as I've ever been in this game.

I also have two magic bottles, an ice rod and like 7 hearts.

[magus113]

I'm just flying through this. Already taken care of the wizard, so in the Dark World.

I want to put it down but it's just so good!

How's everyone else going with this?

[BreakABone]

So I made it into the bunny converting Dark World.

But of course can now control it, and also vanished the Dark Wizard.

So I am much further than ever been. :P

[Ric]

I own a copy of every single variation of the Zelda games except for the Phillips CDI ones. The Wand Of Gamelon and Zelda's Adventure I believe.

I have beaten all of them except for The Oracle Of Ages and The Oracle Of Seasons which are seperate games in their own right but when you complete one you get a password that you can enter when you start the other and you will get a different ending. You should also play through each game for a first time and use the code for the other. If you want to really best it ;)

Oh and I have not finished Zelda II The Adventure Of Link. But all the others I cave completly completed. As in finished, collected everything etcetra.

LttP Is a great game. I will play through it again some time but for now I will follow this thread just to remember it.

And I want to make one of those boats too :D
I made one of the cows from Majoras Mask years ago, like the ones the people in clock town have, little models.
http://shrines.rpgclassics.com/n64/zeldamm/images/heart13.jpg
You can see one here on the left hand side of the counter.


Dont forget this one, it's one of my favourites and is often overlooked.
http://www.lufiaworld.com/files/minishcap/official/boxart-pal-front.jpg
That should get it noticed :sneaky:

[BreakABone]

Got myself a brand sprankling new Crystal... my third I believe.

And that dungeon was confusing.... being that part of it was above ground and all

[Swan]

Just started playing this yesterday.



Got first pendant and have six hearts or so

[BreakABone]

Got myself 3 crystals, an invisibility cape and about 10 hearts (2 on the bottom row, didn't count how many fit up top)

[magus113]

I never got the Magic Cape, but I guess it's not required. I'm at just about where BaB is right now. I know about the Magic Cape, and I know it isn't really required. Not gonna waste my time looking for it.

[Angrist]

On the ALttP I never found 1 item. I think one of the canes. So silly, couldn't find it anywhere. :( And I'm too stubborn to use a faq.

[magus113]

Just added the deadline for this coming week. Good luck to you all!

[Swan]

I am so far behind.

I did start late though

[BreakABone]

Who's got their 4th crystal?
Oh yeah its me!
Go me!

[magus113]

Damn Earl, flying through.

Don't worry Swan, if the Mario lover BaB can fly through as quickly as he is, I'm sure you can catch up soon enough as well.

[Zen]

I forked over some cash and bought this on VC, started today so im definitelly lagging, have only played for about an hour so far. I hadnt played this since the actual snes days, i dont really remember much from this game.....

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/2149/dsc00953e.th.jpg (http://img7.imageshack.us/i/dsc00953e.jpg/)
meeting Zelda for the first time.

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/8647/dsc00954jtq.th.jpg (http://img7.imageshack.us/i/dsc00954jtq.jpg/)
about an hour later getting my first pendant, I have 5 hearts so far and called it quits for now.

[manasecret]

Maybe I can start again today? Argh, life. You get in the way so often!

[BreakABone]

Silver and Gold, yes Silver and Gold.

Got myself a 6th shiny crystal. Only one more stands between me and the vile villain. The evil wizard!

[Swan]

Entered the dark world today and just starting first dungeon

[BreakABone]

I got myself all the shiny crystals.

And what looks like all but one item.

I'm near Ganon's Tower, but from what little I played gonna kick my ass.

[Zen]

So i played a little more today.

I was lost and wandered for almost an hour... somehow i failed to realize i needed to talk to that old guy after getting the first pendant...that felt stupid.

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/7196/dsc00955tdm.jpg
got me second pendant. dungeon went by pretty fast.

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/3121/dsc00956hpp.jpg
Made it into the dark world as a gay ass lil bunny.

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/2917/dsc00957g.jpg
gots me 3rd pendant, this dungeon was a lil annoying.

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/7016/dsc00959rha.jpg
By the power of grayskull I AM HEEEE MAAAAAN!

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/132/dsc00960uxs.jpg
Zelda is disappearing, oh noes!... this guy was a push over.


after some walking around, spending all my money on flippers, bomb upgrades and a greedy ass little monkey...

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/3610/dsc00961zqh.jpg
got 1st crystal.

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/8499/dsc00963cia.jpg
then i was going to sleep, but fuck it, got second crystal


Right now I'm sitting at about 10 hearts, and got me he flute with my nifty bird which I named Fausto.

[BreakABone]

Guess who just slayed the evil wizard and then Ganon...

Oh yeah that's right!

Link to the Past completed!

So now I'm up to a total of 3 Zelda games finished!

I don't know if "Total Games Played" is code for like how many times you died, but I have 53.

[magus113]

As have I! I see my goal of finishing before the school semester starts has been met! I wish luck to everyone else, and I'll be posting a Flickr album of some of my accomplishments which I have way too many of since I have 200+ pictures of screen caps.

[magus113]

I also think I'll be getting a go at some other Zelda games. I'm using virtualnes.com to play Zelda 2, which I've currently completed two palaces, Oracle of Seasons which I left about a little more than halfway completed, and Majora's Mask on the VC, which I've never finished and I'm at the entrance to Woodlawn.

I won't be doing Let's Play! for these though.

[Swan]

Still trying to get the big key for the first crystal!


RAWR!

[Zen]

Today I played for a lil bit.....and then i had a power outage....and I didnt save....im pissed.... I'll still play for an hour or 2 now though, dunno if ill take pictures this time around.

[BreakABone]

Come on, I enjoy your pics as well as your little commentary.

[Angrist]

Yes BaB, you died 53 times. How in the world did you do that? Even when I was 12 years old and I played it for the first time, I only died 8 times or so. Nowadays I don't save it when I die (which is pretty rare anyway... once or twice per game?). :p

[magus113]

Yes BaB, you died 53 times. How in the world did you do that? Even when I was 12 years old and I played it for the first time, I only died 8 times or so. Nowadays I don't save it when I die (which is pretty rare anyway... once or twice per game?). :p

Sheesh. If I died 88 times then I really must have sucked. But Earl also got advice from me along the way.

[Zen]

I played, sorry BaB, no pics this time cus i was doing things i had already done.... wish I did, cus i did some fancy crap like, I got that wand where you have to go through spikes without the invisible cape thingie (used a fairy bottle), then i got the invisible cape thingie without the glove to lift the stones (with clever dark world hopping).

HATED that 3rd crystal dungeon, took me forever to figure out to....wait nvm its a spoiler, what's even worse since i was on a roll i went and got 4th crystal and then straight for 5th, didnt look for hearts or nothing in between, i make it to the boss for the 5th crystal and im like HA! ill shoot fire at you bozo!.... I kind of ran out of magic and.... yeah had to save and quit....

[BreakABone]

I played, sorry BaB, no pics this time cus i was doing things i had already done.... wish I did, cus i did some fancy crap like, I got that wand where you have to go through spikes without the invisible cape thingie (used a fairy bottle), then i got the invisible cape thingie without the glove to lift the stones (with clever dark world hopping).

HATED that 3rd crystal dungeon, took me forever to figure out to....wait nvm its a spoiler, what's even worse since i was on a roll i went and got 4th crystal and then straight for 5th, didnt look for hearts or nothing in between, i make it to the boss for the 5th crystal and im like HA! ill shoot fire at you bozo!.... I kind of ran out of magic and.... yeah had to save and quit....

Is the 3rd crystal the one in which you have to keep going outside and use different exits/entrances and stuff to get through the entire dungeon?

That confused the hell out of me, and had to use a guide to eventually find the 3rd entrance/exit, but even then it still was a pain in the arse.

And which was the 5th boss? Was it the moth because you can fight him with your sword or whatever.

It was funny, I saved without magic once, and had to go to a dungeon where needed a medallion... let me tell you, a lot of the enemies in the overworld do not drop magic powder for you to use. :lol:

[Zen]

that is indeed the 3rd crystal, I am not going to gamefaqs with this game cus I want to play it as I did back in the day where I didnt even have internet, so Ive been calling friends if i need help and they are mostly like "shit son i dont remember that!".

The boss Im on is the Ice cubicle crap fellow.....

[Zen]

And I hate double posting but I want to bump this cus I'm done.

Sorry for the picture less finale, got lazy when it came to it, but I pretty much realized I could get the ice of that bastard with one single bombos spell as opposed to 8 freaking fire rod hits, managed to get my half magic use upgrade shortly after, golden sword upgrade and whatnot. I pretty much breezed through the rest of the game afterwards with only turtle rock being a bit of a hassle.

Ganon's tower was a joke I wandered around randomly and next thing i know im fighting aghanim, then I chase after Ganon cus he runs like a pussy, laid the smackdown.... well... I actually fell into the pit once and had to start over, but then I definitelly owned him.

Completed all items, did not get all heart pieces though as I was missing one heart on the meter.

Total games played 18. You guys suck :P

[BreakABone]

Shut your whore mouth, but congrats.

Also, I fell while fighting Ganon as well. And it was a pain in the ass because you had to get back to him, and do the fight again.

Since I wasted some of my potions, I went wild with attacking him and hopinh he didn't kill me first.

[magus113]

I had fallen once and died against Ganon, but then once I got the hang of it, it was a breeze.

I think that's a staple with Zelda games. Ridiculous bosses (sometimes) but the final battle is a cakewalk.

[Angrist]

At least in the latest Zeldas they're consistent. ALL the bosses are way too easy. :(

[BreakABone]

At least in the latest Zeldas they're consistent. ALL the bosses are way too easy. :(

I actually found most of the bosses in LttP easier than their 3D counterparts.

I think the boss battles are better in 3D, but Nintendo has gotten more forgiven.

Some bosses in LttP take off like 3 heart pieces where as most 3D enemies only take off like half.

[manasecret]

Man... I wish I had more time for games. I still haven't gotten a chance to go back and play!

[magus113]

I actually found most of the bosses in LttP easier than their 3D counterparts.

I think the boss battles are better in 3D, but Nintendo has gotten more forgiven.

Some bosses in LttP take off like 3 heart pieces where as most 3D enemies only take off like half.

Even with the Blue and Red Mail it was a pain. I was so happy to get those items, seriously.

[Vampyr]

I bought this on wii shop today, as well as Majora's Mask...

Time to start my adventure.

[Angrist]

Ever played Majora's Mask before? If not, it's great to be you at this piont. :D

[Vampyr]

Ever played Majora's Mask before? If not, it's great to be you at this piont. :D

A long time ago but I only got through a couple of dungeons.

[magus113]

SquEARL and I are trying to figure out what to do the next Let's Play of. I don't think it'll be soon since I've got a full workload of classes this semester, but maybe we can do it in pieces just like this time around.

Any ideas?

[Angrist]

Well, if you're the only one with heaps of work to do, we could always do it without you?

Like I said in the previous thread, I'd like to replay Zelda 1 and 2, but they're so dated that I think I'm probably the only one.

Other ideas?

[magus113]

Well, if you're the only one with heaps of work to do, we could always do it without you?

Like I said in the previous thread, I'd like to replay Zelda 1 and 2, but they're so dated that I think I'm probably the only one.

Other ideas?

I don't have a problem with joining in. I love to play games and I always try to make whatever time I can for them. It's a good release from the stress of work and school etc.

And also remember, that the games don't have to be Zelda games as well. We're obviously going to be making a completely different thread with this.

[Angrist]

Yeah I figured, but I can't really think of games that take a while to replay... maybe a Final Fantasy or Chrono Trigger (wich I don't own).
Mario games can be beaten in an hour.

[magus113]

Finally finished Oracle of Ages/Seasons with the true ending. Ganon was actually a little tough until I got the strategy for him down. All in all, a great game though!

Now the only games left to tackle are Adventure of Link and Majora's Mask. Hooray!

[Angrist]

Hm I think I'm still playing Oracle of Seasons. Should pick it up, even though I'll probably have no idea what I was doing and where I am supposed to go.

[magus113]

Hm I think I'm still playing Oracle of Seasons. Should pick it up, even though I'll probably have no idea what I was doing and where I am supposed to go.

If that ever happens to me I just try and see the items or things that I have and try to use a guide to point me in the right direction and then go from there.

When I started up my copy of Seasons, I was already in a dungeon which was an advantage because the game pretty much steers you in the right direction after you finish one.

[Vampyr]

Finally finished Oracle of Ages/Seasons with the true ending. Ganon was actually a little tough until I got the strategy for him down. All in all, a great game though!

Now the only games left to tackle are Adventure of Link and Majora's Mask. Hooray!

The two Oracle games are two of my all time favorite Zelda's.

Age's is my favorite of the two, but somehow I lost the Age's cartridge, or let someone barrow it and didn't get it back. :( This saddens me because I loved the game a lot, and spent a lot of time collecting the rings and everything.

[Angrist]

Ah yeah the rings, that's something I'd like to return in another Zelda.
So right now there are... 4 Zelda games on my to play list: MM, TLoZ, TAoL, OoS.

[Jonbo298]

Dammit, this thread made me "dig out" Majora's Mask (well, not really but I won't explain :sneaky: ) to finally beat it while on short term disability (surgery recovery). Never did beat it or even play it much. Came out too late in the 64's life at the time.