Thoughts on circumcision?

[KillerGremlin]

I'm anti-circumcision as I think it perpetuates (at least in America) feelings that are anti-sex/pleasure. The practice is still done to males, and even worse is female circumcision/mutilation. For context, the practice was originally done to reduce sexual pleasure to make people more pure. Sounds kind of outdated and barbaric, no?

Anyway, I had the chop. My parents are conformists. What can you do. :(

[Swan]

I don't think there are any ladies left, dude

[KillerGremlin]

I don't think there are any ladies left, dude

I figure, but I don't want to discriminate or anything.

[Acebot44]

I'm uncut.

Hasn't really been an issue, girls don't seem to mind. Everything is the same with a condom on anyway.

I don't think I'll circumcise my kid(s) either, better to at least let them have a choice. I think around 60% of males these days are getting the snip snip, although I don't understand the reason behind it.

[gekko]

For context, the practice was originally done to reduce sexual pleasure to make people more pure. Sounds kind of outdated and barbaric, no?

Actually sounds like your information is completely garbage. The history is fairly scattered, and you managed to pick out only one piece, which is far from proven knowledge.

Anyways, all I have to say is ouch.

[KillerGremlin]

Actually sounds like your information is completely garbage. The history is fairly scattered, and you managed to pick out only one piece, which is far from proven knowledge.

Anyways, all I have to say is ouch.

Nice...you edited your post while I was finding some sources :p. I wouldn't say my info is garbage, here are some sources. I will agree that historians and anthropoligists have different theories on the origins of circumcision, but there is no denying that some people use it on anti-sex grounds.

http://www.cirp.org/library/history/
One theory postulates that circumcision began as a way of "purifying" individuals and society by reducing sexuality and sexual pleasure. Human sexuality was seen as dirty or impure in some societies; hence cutting off the pleasure-producing parts was the obvious way to "purify" someone.

It is now known that the male foreskin, or prepuce, is the principal location of erogenous sensation in the human male (see Anatomy.) Removal of the prepuce substantially reduces erogenous sensation. Therefore (in the appropriate cultural context), circumcision is revealed as a sacrifice of "sinful" human enjoyment (in this earthly life), for the sake of holiness in the afterlife.

and here were the liberals back in the day:
In contrast to the Jews, the Greeks and the Romans placed a high value on the prepuce. The Romans passed several laws to protect the prepuce by prohibiting circumcision.

http://www.cirp.org/library/history/dunsmuir1/

In some African tribes, circumcision is performed at birth. In Judaic societies, the ritual is performed on the eighth day after birth, but for Moslems and many of the tribal cultures it is performed in early adult life as a `rite of passage', e.g. puberty or marriage. Why the practice evolved is not clear and many theories have been proposed. Nineteenth century historians suggested that the ritual is an ancient form of social control. They conceive that the slitting of a man's penis to cause bleeding and pain is to remind him of the power of the Church, i.e. `We have control over your distinction to be a man, your pleasure and your right to reproduce'.

this one is even better:
Others believe that circumcision arose as a mark of defilement or slavery [1,9] (fig. 1). In ancient Egypt captured warriors were often mutilated before being condemned to the slavery.

http://www.d.umn.edu/~mcco0322/history.htm
Circumcision for the Egyptians was a method of purification; the body’s openings were considered portals through which impure and malignant spirits might penetrate.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_male_circumcision
It has been variously proposed that male circumcision began as a religious sacrifice, as a rite of passage marking a boy's entrance into adulthood, as a form of sympathetic magic to ensure virility, as a means of suppressing (or enhancing) sexual pleasure, as an aid to hygiene where regular bathing was impractical, as a means of marking those of lower (or higher) social status, as a means of differentiating a circumcising group from their non-circumcising neighbors, as a means of discouraging masturbation or other socially proscribed sexual behaviors, to remove "excess" pleasure, to increase a man's attractiveness to women, as a symbolic castration, as a demonstration of one's ability to endure pain, or as a male counterpart to menstruation or the breaking of the hymen or to copy the rare natural occurance of a missing foreskin of an important leader. It has been suggested that the custom of circumcision gave advantages to tribes that practiced it and thus led to its spread regardless of whether the people understood this. [1] It is possible that circumcision arose independently in different cultures for different reasons. Biblical circumcision was an expression that a man had chosen to live his life for God and could control his own body. In the passing of time it was become isolated from this entirely, rather like infant christening.

Anyway, I agree with the latter part of your post but I wouldn't say my original statement was garbage.

[TheSlyMoogle]

I am cut and I will have to say that only one out of the 5 guys I've been with to date was uncut, and it was a little uhm strange. Let's just say that I do believe completely that a cut penis is a cleaner penis.

:D

[BreakABone]

I am cut and I will have to say that only one out of the 5 guys I've been with to date was uncut, and it was a little uhm strange. Let's just say that I do believe completely that a cut penis is a cleaner penis.

:D

Well, it comes with a bit more cleaning, but other than that don't see why it would be too different cleanliness wise.

[Ric]

:lol:

Clenliness... I dont know about you but I wash my dick :lolz:

I said Dude, I'm A Lady because I thought it was funny.

Foreskin is good, it stops your nob rubbing on your trousers when you walk down the street which if your dong is as long as mine you will know is not a pleasurable expeience. Kinda gets in the way if your doing a really tight girl without a johnny though.

Man, this topic is funny :lolb:

[Fox 6]

Lets just take his word on it, Id say he knows from experience.

[BreakABone]

:lol:

Clenliness... I dont know about you but I wash my dick :lolz:


I didn't say I didn't... I was just saying that you have to be thorough and also clean under the hood so junk doesn't accumulate.

[Ric]

clean under the hood so junk doesn't accumulate.

It's called Smegma. And it's not often I get to use that word so thankyou :lol:

[Seth]

I'm cut. Too each their own.

[Bond]

I'm anti-circumcision as I think it perpetuates (at least in America) feelings that are anti-sex/pleasure. The practice is still done to males, and even worse is female circumcision/mutilation. For context, the practice was originally done to reduce sexual pleasure to make people more pure. Sounds kind of outdated and barbaric, no?

Anyway, I had the chop. My parents are conformists. What can you do. :(
Well... I don't know if circumcision perpetuates an anti-sex/pleasure mentality (maybe it does this because it is perceived of doing this), but circumcision is certainly, at least partly, grounded in religious tradition dating back thousands of years.

Now, one can debate the legitimacy of these traditions, whether they still apply to today's time, etc, but there is always (I think) intrinsic worth in practicing traditions.

As far as the societal impact of circumcision goes, I'd say it is minimal. There isn't much discrimination that can result from a man being or not being circumcised, minus in the bedroom, of course.

[Professor S]

The ladies love the bald eagle.

[KillerGremlin]

Well... I don't know if circumcision perpetuates an anti-sex/pleasure mentality (maybe it does this because it is perceived of doing this), but circumcision is certainly, at least partly, grounded in religious tradition dating back thousands of years.

Now, one can debate the legitimacy of these traditions, whether they still apply to today's time, etc, but there is always (I think) intrinsic worth in practicing traditions.

As far as the societal impact of circumcision goes, I'd say it is minimal. There isn't much discrimination that can result from a man being or not being circumcised, minus in the bedroom, of course.

The adoption of circumcision into our culture is where I think some of the anti-sex context comes from (the Victorian era was fuuuckked up):
Several hypotheses have been raised in explaining the American public's acceptance of infant circumcision as preventive medicine. The success of the germ theory of disease had not only enabled physicians to combat many of the postoperative complications of surgery, but had made the wider public deeply suspicious of dirt and bodily secretions. Accordingly, the smegma that collects under the foreskin was viewed as unhealthy, and circumcision readily accepted as good penile hygiene.[72] Secondly, moral sentiment of the day regarded masturbation as not only sinful, but also physically and mentally unhealthy, stimulating the foreskin to produce the host of maladies of which it was suspected. In this climate, circumcision could be employed as a means of discouraging masturbation.[73] All About the Baby, a popular parenting book of the 1890s, recommended infant circumcision for precisely this purpose. Interestingly, a 1410-man survey in the United States in 1992, Laumann found that circumcised men were more likely to report masturbating at least once a month.
http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Circumcision_-_History_of_circumcision/id/5389099

There's also the whole church thing which dates back thousands of years.

And even from a biological standpoint; removing thousands of nerve cells that elicit sexual pleasure, seems sort of anti-pleasure.

There's so much gray area, it makes this a fun topic. :D

For the record, I also agree there is intrinsic worth in practicing tradition. Circumcision was used as a rite of passage into adulthood, a symbol of virility, improved cleanliness (which probably is void by today's medical knowledge), and religious significance.

But hey, call me old fashioned....but there's something creepy about the first person who decided it would be cool to chop off part of their own penis or a child's penis...

[Jason1]

HAHA OMG uncircumcised penises are sooooo funny!

[thatmariolover]

I'm anti-circumcision, namely on the fact that it's incredibly difficult for me to get off to sex due to my own circumcision. It usually takes 1-2 hours if I can get off at all (and that's WITHOUT a condom). Let's just say multiple partners, techniques, speeds etc. make little difference. Girls love it because I can go for so long, but it's really very frustrating and I'm fed up with it already at 23.

So yeah, regardless of the moral implications and such, I'm against it. It might take more work to maintain and your partner might prefer it cut, but ultimately I think circumcision is a bad thing.

I realize, though, that I have a semi-unique experience and that biases me quite a bit.

[Typhoid]

I'm pro-circumcision.

I'm cut, and I'm happy about it.
Clearly one side would never know what the other side is like, and nobody in the world will really say "Yeah guys, I hate the way my cock looks."

My kids are getting circumcised for the same reason everyone elses kid either did, or didn't - personal opinion.

[BreakABone]

I don't care either way.
As Typhoid says, very few people have personal experience as both so no way to objectively define which is better.
My parents honestly just got lazy, I'm there there 5th son.

[Typhoid]

My parents honestly just got lazy, I'm there there 5th son.


They circumcised the other 4 personally?

[BreakABone]

They circumcised the other 4 personally?

Indeed they did.
No you dorkus, they just couldn't go through the effort I imagined.
Or don't know why the older ones are.

[Acebot44]

I actually have a friend who cut the snip snip treatment in 8th grade. Maybe I should ask him which he preferred...although that is still kind of young to remember

[TheSlyMoogle]

I actually have a friend who cut the snip snip treatment in 8th grade. Maybe I should ask him which he preferred...although that is still kind of young to remember

I actually have a friend who got the snip at 17. He said it just was gross to have that much foreskin. He was in pain for like 2 months after the cut, but apparently he loves being cut now. He said if anything it made it more sensitive and feels better during sex.


Indeed they did.
No you dorkus, they just couldn't go through the effort I imagined.
Or don't know why the older ones are.


It's because they hate you.


To add to my earlier point:

Said prior boyfriend would shower before work in the morning and come back. In the 7-8 hours where he was at work uhm said cock that was cleaned throughly (I know, I was in the shower with him most of the time and saw his cleaning techniques lol.) would smell or have developed "Smegma" and I would have to make him shower again before we could do anything. Slightly disgusting? Yes. Spontaneity ruined? Yes.

Also another tidbit about circumcision:

I was actually cut 3 times as a child. The first time when everyone normally gets cut right after being born, well the skin grew back. The next time was a few weeks later and the skin grew back again. So the third and final time my skin proceeded to grow back yet again, just this time it only grew back about halfway. So it's enough skin to pretty much cover me when flaccid and when erect it's like I've been cut all along. It's quite strange. I also have this rather large vein in a very awkward shape on the top of my penis that my family doctor says was probably a result of the multiple cuts. Not the vein, but it's strange shape and the fact that it's so large for a vein. It actually gets irritated during sex if I go too long. Well err not always, but well... nvm that's probably TMI anyway.

[Bond]

TMI.

[Typhoid]

TMI.



*Sings*

Teenage mutant informatiooooon.

[Fox 6]

:lolz:

[thatmariolover]

Haha, sorry. Everybody was being pretty up front, so I just sort of tipped the cart the rest of the way over.

[BreakABone]

This is a funny thread if nothing else... to see where SlyMoogle draws the line as to what's too much info..

[Bond]

KG does make the most provocative / interesting threads...

[Swan]

My balls are itchy.



Just throwing that out there

[KillerGremlin]

Hey, I appreciate everyone's honesty. Even TheSlyMoogle's honesty is a welcome addition to this thread. Come on, we're all mature we can have a serious convo :sneaky:

KG does make the most provocative / interesting threads...

Haha, thank you? Just trying to keep things interesting...besides I think BaB gets sick of me exclusively bothering him on AIM.

I'm anti-circumcision, namely on the fact that it's incredibly difficult for me to get off to sex due to my own circumcision. It usually takes 1-2 hours if I can get off at all (and that's WITHOUT a condom). Let's just say multiple partners, techniques, speeds etc. make little difference. Girls love it because I can go for so long, but it's really very frustrating and I'm fed up with it already at 23.

So yeah, regardless of the moral implications and such, I'm against it. It might take more work to maintain and your partner might prefer it cut, but ultimately I think circumcision is a bad thing.

I realize, though, that I have a semi-unique experience and that biases me quite a bit.

I will say, to reassure you, that not all men orgasm every time they have sex. I think this is a common misconception, especially amongst the younger crowd. I'd say there is nothing wrong if you have sex and don't orgasm, as long as you still are having fun and your partner is too. I know how the sensitivity thing goes. Sometimes I just don't feel much and I can last for extended periods of time but it makes reaching orgasm in certain positions incredibly difficult. It sounds like you have a pretty good grasp on your situation but you could try not masturbating a day or two before sex, and you can try achieving orgasm by yourself in positions you struggle with during sex. That's my best advice.

We have quite the melting pot of members at GT...no pun intended.

[ZebraRampage]

I will say, to reassure you, that not all men orgasm every time they have sex. I think this is a common misconception, especially amongst the younger crowd. I'd say there is nothing wrong if you have sex and don't orgasm, as long as you still are having fun and your partner is too. I know how the sensitivity thing goes. Sometimes I just don't feel much and I can last for extended periods of time but it makes reaching orgasm in certain positions incredibly difficult. It sounds like you have a pretty good grasp on your situation but you could try not masturbating a day or two before sex, and you can try achieving orgasm by yourself in positions you struggle with during sex. That's my best advice.

It has to potential to cause another problem too. Girls might start to think that they're not sexy to you anymore if you don't get off while having sex with them, but there's not much you can do if they're insecure about it.

[Typhoid]

Don't quote me on this, but I think that not being able to get off (Within reasonable "normal" time frame) is a type of E.D.

[KillerGremlin]

It has to potential to cause another problem too. Girls might start to think that they're not sexy to you anymore if you don't get off while having sex with them, but there's not much you can do if they're insecure about it.

This is true. The problem becomes cyclical in nature too. The girl expects the guy to orgasm, the guy can't orgasm and feels bad, it gets to his head and becomes more difficult for him to orgasm...etc.

[KillerGremlin]

Don't quote me on this, but I think that not being able to get off (Within reasonable "normal" time frame) is a type of E.D.

I think E.D. has more to do with not being able to get or sustain an erection. Not being able to orgasm is probably along the lines of some sort of orgasm disorder. If you're harder than Superman but you can't orgasm you don't have E.D. But don't quote me on that either, I'm not a sexual dysfunction pro. :p

The DSM-IV (book of psych disorders) has a thing for male orgasmic disorder (also know as "retarded ejaculation"). But that appears to look more at psychological effects. Dunno what someone would say just looking the physical aspect of the disorder.

[Typhoid]

I cannot explain how hard I am laughing at the fact there is something called "retarded ejaculation."

Jesus, so many jokes.

[Ric]

Indeed they did.
No you dorkus, they just couldn't go through the effort I imagined.
Or don't know why the older ones are.

It's because they hate you.

:lol: For screaming :lol: 'Threeeeeeeeeeeeeee Dooooooooooooooogg' over the radio when they were in the Yao Gui tunnles :lolz: Made them damn things come running.

Ahem... right. On a more serious note.

Guys if you ever suffer from something like this. And you will. Lots of people get it or have had it from time to time. Dont worry. S'all good. There is a way to stop the girl feeling bad about it. Get your tounge going... I dont have to tell you where the clit is do I? Be a pleasure giver. And I'll tell you what, when she sprays all in your face she will forget that you were getting nowhere with your cock.

Later on play around, have a wank, try and get things going again. Try talking to your partner about it. If you have the right kind of person in your life they will help you through it. You might even get some good head in the process.

Since everyone has been so upfront I'll have some balls and say I have not been snipped and I am thankful for it. I have quite a sensitive nob for it. My older brother on the other hand says he does not have as much sensitivity as he remembers although he had the snip at a young age, this was for some medical reason or another. He also reckons it makes it look bigger when flaccid.

My oldest brother had it done for religious reasons I believe. He has or will not discuss his views on it. Personally (and in the case of my younger broher) the reason I was never snipped is in it's own way, because of religion. My Fathers side of the family is Church Of England and my Mothers is Roman Catholic. This caused problems in the family and my parents decided that I should be allowed to make my own decisions on such things as I saw fit and when the time came.

Now we need more jokes :D and things to poke fun at.

Smegma :lol:

[Ric]

I cannot explain how hard I am laughing at the fact there is something called "retarded ejaculation."

Jesus, so many jokes.

Yeah that's when it shoots out and hits you in the eye ;)

[BlueFire]

Let's just turn this into a casual penis chat thread.


I'm a victim of snipping, btw.. but I don't really care either way. If I have kids, I probably won't opt for circumcision. Looks too painful. :p

[Swan]

I will probably have it done to my children out of spite

[KillerGremlin]

Yeah that's when it shoots out and hits you in the eye ;)

Haha...that reminds me of a funny story....

[BreakABone]

Let's just turn this into a casual penis chat thread.


I'm a victim of snipping, btw.. but I don't really care either way. If I have kids, I probably won't opt for circumcision. Looks too painful. :p

I will probably have it done to my children out of spite

You two make it sound like it was this awful thing.
It can't be that bad? :lolz:

[KillerGremlin]

You two make it sound like it was this awful thing.
It can't be that bad? :lolz:

It can't be that great though, I don't see uncircumcised adults jumping up to get a part of their penis chopped off. :p

[Typhoid]

I don't remember being circumcised.
I am happy it was done.
Everyone wins.

[Dylflon]

I had to get the chop at age...ten maybe?

My foreskin stopped growing but my dinger sure didn't. It became uncomfortable to pee.

Essentially, my penis couldn't be contained.

[Dylflon]

I cannot explain how hard I am laughing at the fact there is something called "retarded ejaculation."

Jesus, so many jokes.


Let's all be mature, here.

I ejaculated retardedly on your mom.

[Vampyr]

Essentially, my penis couldn't be contained.

Great way to look cool out of a potentially embarrassing situation. :p

It hurts me to think about though.

[TheGame]

What an akward thread lol. I'm just glad I got it, and glad I don't remember it. Much like Typhoid lol

[jeepnut]

Been snipped too, before I could remember.

I'm not unhappy I got the trim because I prefer the way it looks, but I have heard that uncircumcised men are more sensitive and I do wonder what it would feel like to be au natural. On a related note, I have recently felt that I'm not as sensitive as I used to be. Not sure if it's related or not.

I should ask the girlfriend if she has a preference...

[KillerGremlin]

Essentially, my penis couldn't be contained.

You should name your penis Bruce Banner. Could be a good pickup line to segue into the story of how your penis can't be contained and all.

I should ask the girlfriend if she has a preference...

Most of my imaginary lady friends say they don't mind if a guy is cut or not. Honestly the biggest complaint I get is how a guy grooms himself, which oddly is proportional to the amount of time girls will spend downtown.

[Ric]

Haha...that reminds me of a funny story....

If you men the same story I think you do I have one word for you dude

---------------------'CONTEXT'---------------------


Make sense???

If not I have either got the wrong idea or can elaborate.

[KillerGremlin]

If you men the same story I think you do I have one word for you dude

---------------------'CONTEXT'---------------------


Make sense???

If not I have either got the wrong idea or can elaborate.

I'm a little confused.

[Professor S]

I should have followed my instincts and never came back to this thread.

Now I can't get the searing image of Moogle's oddly veined mock turtleneck dick out of my head...

[Ric]

I'm a little confused.

Dont worry then man. I was just trippin out. You must have ment something else and I had the wrong idea. What was the funny story anyway?

[Angrist]

I'm amazed by the high number of circumcised men here. I didn't know I knew any of them! I thought it was mostly a Jewish thing.
And I'm uncut.

[Typhoid]

I just thought of a reasoning behind why I would get my kid circumcised.

I would much rather putting my infant son through a traumatic experience in which he won't remember, than him having to get it between 8-20. Moreso when the kid is young, and forming a memory. I wouldn't want to risk that for my kid.



And to be honest, I always always thought getting cut was the landslide norm.

[KillerGremlin]

Dont worry then man. I was just trippin out. You must have ment something else and I had the wrong idea. What was the funny story anyway?

It's nothing in particular, just missed my mark actually happens more often than you might think but eh.


Anyway, I don't think I'll circumcise my kid unless there is a good medical reason to do it, like Hulk penis.

[TheGame]

I saw a poll at some site, maybe it was a porn site I don't remember. I just know it came to the conclusion that 8/10 women prefer men with the cut, and 2/10 dont' care or like uncut.

But yeah, don't trust my stats.

[Swan]

Found out today that the other 3 members of my band didn't get the cut

[Vampyr]

Kramer: (about the Bris) Hey, we're not talking about a manicure. Imagine, this is gonna be his first memory of his parents, just standing there while some stranger cuts off a piece of his manhood and then serves a catered lunch!

*******

Kramer: (about the Bris) It's a barbaric ritual.
Jerry: It's tradition.
Kramer: Well, we used to sacrifice virgins to appease the Gods, but we don't do that anymore.
Jerry: Maybe we should.

[BreakABone]

Found out today that the other 3 members of my band didn't get the cut

I'm curious how this comes up (no pun) in conversation.

Like do you just kind of make a not so subtle segway... "Oh by the way is your penis cut?"

Or is it something a bit less likely, "Oh speaking of hair cuts...."

[BlueFire]

I'm curious how this comes up (no pun) in conversation.

Like do you just kind of make a not so subtle segway... "Oh by the way is your penis cut?"

Or is it something a bit less likely, "Oh speaking of hair cuts...."

Lame. :p

After seeing this thread, I asked some of my friends outright: "are you circumcised"?

Some gave strange looks before answering, others just answered nonchalantly.

[Typhoid]

If you get offended or awkward when someone asks you if you've got a helmet or a jacket, that's pretty awkward in itself.

[BreakABone]

If you get offended or awkward when someone asks you if you've got a helmet or a jacket, that's pretty awkward in itself.

I would answer if asked, I just don't see many people... at least the ones I know asking straight out.

I mean its like one of those things that isn't a big deal (unless you're me) but no one asks.

[Jonbo298]

This has been some good lulz to read. I'm cut and it doesn't bother me. Don't know why though since both mom and dad at time weren't religious but eh, I'm not complaining.

[Swan]

Yeah, I'm not sure how it came up.


I think my friend just said it out of nowhere

[KillerGremlin]

Wow, a lot of the guys I know can't shut up about their sex lives so this type of thing comes up pretty naturally. On the other hand I know a decent number of guys who don't talk much unless asked specifically, if ever.

[BreakABone]

This has been some good lulz to read. I'm cut and it doesn't bother me. Don't know why though since both mom and dad at time weren't religious but eh, I'm not complaining.

I'm curious how many actually got it cut for religious reasons?
I mean I think some people just get it cut due to other health issues related to foreskin...

I forget the name, but believe there is one in which the foreskin becomes so tight around the head that it causes the man a ton of pain when he pees or something. And the whole smegma business.

[The Germanator]

Yeah, as far as I ever understood it the main reason to be cut was because of health and cleanliness reasons. My parents aren't super religious and I was cut, so I don't know.

[KillerGremlin]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balanitis
Balanitis is inflammation of the glans penis (from Greek: βάλανος balanos "acorn"). When the foreskin (or prepuce) is also affected, it is termed balanoposthitis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phimosis
is a condition where, in men, the male foreskin cannot be fully retracted from the head of the penis

Also done for hygiene and apparently guys who are circumcised are less likely to get Urinary Tract Infections and Sexually Transmitted Diseases.

On the other hand, not having sex with people who have STDs is the best way to not get STDs so I think it is a moot point....you have sexy time with fire your genitals are gonna get burned, circumcised or not.

I definitely did not get the chop for religious reasons...the doctor probably told my parents it was a good idea when I was born.

[jeepnut]

I saw a poll at some site, maybe it was a porn site I don't remember. I just know it came to the conclusion that 8/10 women prefer men with the cut, and 2/10 dont' care or like uncut.

But yeah, don't trust my stats.

I can't confirm or deny your reports, but I did wind up asking the girlfriend and she said that she definitely prefers a cut man.

[KillerGremlin]

I can't confirm or deny your reports, but I did wind up asking the girlfriend and she said that she definitely prefers a cut man.

Cutsman?

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a207/Demou/cutsman.gif

Imagine if he was the one to give you the snip.

[jeepnut]

Cutsman?

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a207/Demou/cutsman.gif

Imagine if he was the one to give you the snip.

BAD TOUCH!

[C.H]

I think circumcision is far more popular in the states than in Europe. I'm personally not circumcised, its just not something my family do and the idea has never really been up for consideration, and i think thats true for many English families. I was born with the skin there, it doesn't bother me in health or personal way, so there's no reason to have a doctor cut it off. But each to there own i guess.

I do think female circumcision is a real shame though, obviously a rare practice when compared to male circumcision, i don't know how often its done outside of a few African countries; and as far as i'm aware thats areas that retain the tradition its not necessarily common. If we're born with the ability to experience pleasure in a certain area of our body, i personally don't see the sense in denying ourself that pleasure.

Someone mentioned the Victorian attitude to circumcision, and thats not really representational of the time, certainly a period of dual lifes. Though this isn't all related to circumcision, the idea that the victorians were conservative is far from the truth. There was perhaps more prosistutes in England in the victorian era than any other period, people took more drugs on account of snuff boxes. Accepted public life and actual private life were very different.

As far as hygiene goes, i think it's been said already, but its really not as difficult to keep that area clean if one makes an effort. Especially when going out on a date, or when meeting up with a partner.