GameTavern PokeTournament!

[Dylflon]

Rules:

Each participant is assigned 10 random Pokemon from a list of final Pokemon forms.

The first two weeks after the draft will be comprised of all of us helping eachother get their Pokemon.

Each participant's list will be posted in this thread.

The tournament is round robin, and you choose your best 6 Pokemon based on what you think your opponent will pull out.

The tournament will be sometime in July.

We need to come to a consensus on what the level cap should be.


Participants:

1. Dylflon
2. BreakABone
3. Vampyr
4. Typhoid
5. Fox 6
6. Combine 017
7. Swan
8. BLueFire
9. TheSlyMoogle
10. Frankenstan
11. Rock Adams


I assumed that all of you are participating. Let me know if you don't want to participate. Those who wish to participate sign up.

[Fox 6]

As for level id say 50 or 60

[BlueFire]

Wahhh I want to join. In July, I'll be free!

[Dyne]

I might have time for this. I'll let you know soon.

[TheSlyMoogle]

I want to join. Tournament standard pokemans is level 50. Plus there is a list of banned pokemans that pretty much include every legendary pokemans.

The 7 legendaries that are not banned are the 3 birds (Articuno, Zapdos and Moltres) and the 3 dogs (Suicune, Entei and Raikou) and also Rotom.

The reason is because the legends in the other games all have increased stat growth and stuff. In other words they are broken. One of them can unbalance what would be an ok tournament.

I'm interested to see how this goes. I can probably supply what pokemans people don't have although there are a few who I only have the information for and not the actual pokemans.

[Swan]

Yeah I am down. I will have to really play to beat the game by then, just to get back into the swing of things. -


And I can't really go online at my house with my DS so I will need to be a bandwith bandit to someone

[Dylflon]

I want to join. Tournament standard pokemans is level 50. Plus there is a list of banned pokemans that pretty much include every legendary pokemans.

The 7 legendaries that are not banned are the 3 birds (Articuno, Zapdos and Moltres) and the 3 dogs (Suicune, Entei and Raikou) and also Rotom.

The reason is because the legends in the other games all have increased stat growth and stuff. In other words they are broken. One of them can unbalance what would be an ok tournament.

I'm interested to see how this goes. I can probably supply what pokemans people don't have although there are a few who I only have the information for and not the actual pokemans.

I banned all legendaries but Rotom. If you can find the list of universally banned Pokemon, I'll take them off the list. Wobbuffet is one of them, right?

[Vampyr]

I want to join. Tournament standard pokemans is level 50. Plus there is a list of banned pokemans that pretty much include every legendary pokemans.

The 7 legendaries that are not banned are the 3 birds (Articuno, Zapdos and Moltres) and the 3 dogs (Suicune, Entei and Raikou) and also Rotom.

The reason is because the legends in the other games all have increased stat growth and stuff. In other words they are broken. One of them can unbalance what would be an ok tournament.

I'm interested to see how this goes. I can probably supply what pokemans people don't have although there are a few who I only have the information for and not the actual pokemans.

Do you have any of the actual Johto starters to breed? :ohreilly:

I would kill for one. :mischief:

[Professor S]

How are you playing? On the Wii?

[Fox 6]

DS

[Bond]

I have Ruby for the GBA. :/

[Dylflon]

Jooooohn! What are the banned pokemon?

[TheSlyMoogle]

OMG Here are the banned pokemans and general rules list:

1. No more than one of the same item held by your Pokemon. For example, only one Pokemon in your team can hold a leftovers

2. No 1 Hit KO move are permitted. Moves like Sheer Wind and Horn Drill are a no no

3. No repeated Pokemon. For example, your not allowed two Charizards on your team.

4. No moves that raises evasion. Moves like Double Team and Minimize are not allowed. When gamers use these moves, the game turns into a game of luck and chance. You CAN however use moves that can lower your opponent's accuracy. Moves like Sand Attack and Mud Slap are allowed.

5. Any game altering cheats and effects will result in immediate disqualifications, i.e. Action Replay cheats. (Although pokemon gained using action replay or other cheats are ok as long as they are not banned and no other alterations were used.)

6. Sleep Clause in effect. You can only put ONE of your opponent's Pokemon to sleep at a time (moves like spore, hypnosis, yawn etc). If you opponent switches out the pokemon that you put to sleep, YOU CANNOT PUT ANOTHER POKEMON TO SLEEP unless the previous Pokemon wakes up or is KOed. Self inducing sleep from moves like Rest doesn't count and abilities that causes sleep like effect spore also doesn't count in the sleep clause.

7. Some pokemon are not allowed in the tournament. Period. They are not limited to only legendaries so please make notes and formulate your team. Here is a list:

Lugia, Ho-oh, Kyogre, Groudon Rayquaza, Deoxys, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Darkrai, Arceus, Mew, Mewtwo, Celebi, Latios, Latias, Regirock, Registeel, Regice, Jirachi, Mesprit, Uxie, Azelf, Heatran, Regigigas, Cresselia, Manaphy, Shaymin

Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, Bronzong, Lucario, Blissey, Wobbuffet, Wynaut, Ninjask, Weavile, Togekiss, Dragonite, Snorlax, Aerodactyl

Note: Some of the regular pokemon were banned because of the stats, move sets, or overuse by users.






There you go. If you need reasons why some of the pokemans are banned let me know. Some people may be like WTF? Ninjask banned? Ninjask has 2 pokemon powers and the more rare pokemon powers makes it virtually invincible.

So yeah, there is the list. I have all the Johto starters and stuff. For the most part I just don't have about 40 of the new pokemon because I gained them through trades with my friend peet and then traded back. I can get them though either by catching or breeding his.

[Dylflon]

Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, Bronzong, Lucario, Blissey, Wobbuffet, Wynaut, Ninjask, Weavile, Togekiss, Dragonite, Snorlax, Aerodactyl


That's a lot of non-legendaries banned.

What's the deal with those? (sepcifically Aerodactyl, Dragonite, Togekiss, Garchomp, Lucario and Bronzong)

[Vampyr]

That's a lot of non-legendaries banned.

What's the deal with those? (sepcifically Aerodactyl, Dragonite, Togekiss, Garchomp, Lucario and Bronzong)

Garchomp is a bad ass, I'm going to train one up eventually.

I'd love to get the Johto starters, maybe we can talk on facebook to get a trade going. If you want actual copies of some of the pokemon you don't have entries for, perhaps I can hook you up with those. I have access to both diamond and pearl.

[BlueFire]

Wow, are those rules going to be applied to our tourney?

Also, WHY are some of those normal pokemon banned (pardon my ignorance)

[Dylflon]

I might use some of those rules.

[Dylflon]

I'm going to leave all of them up except Wobbuffet.

And I'm going to do my draft. Whenever someone wants their draft, say so and I'll do it.

[Dylflon]

Dylflon's draft:

1. Shedinja http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/292-3.png
2. Dusknoir http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/477-3.png
3. Banette http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/354-3.png
4. Gallade http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/475-3.png
5. Camerupt http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/323-3.png
6. Grumpig http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/326-3.png
7. Swellow http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/277-3.png
8. Sunflora http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/192-3.png
9. Ninetails http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/038-3.png
10. Probopass http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/476-3.png




I appear to have gotten a whole bunch of ghosts right off the bat...It's balanced by some fairly ridiculous entries. Sunflora?

[Fox 6]

Might as well do mine!

[Dylflon]

Typhoid's Draft:

1. Stantler http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/234-3.png
2. Shuckle http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/213-3.png
3. Typhlosion http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/157-3.png
4. Skuntank http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/435-3.png
5. Pinsir http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/127-3.png
6. Chatot http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/441-3.png
7. Yanmega http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/469-3.png
8. Tangrowth http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/465-3.png
9. Nidoqueen http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/031-2.png
10. Golem http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/076-3.png

[Fox 6]

Question,

Are the chosen pokemon being removed once theyve been drafted? or is there a possibility of more than one person getting it?

[Frankenstan]

Hi, I would like to sign myself up for this tournament. Please do my draft, thanks in advance. I know typhoid and dylflon, and they informed me about this.

[Rock Adams]

Sign up, do draft.

[Dylflon]

Fox 6's draft:

1. Sunflora http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/192-3.png
2. Castform http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/351-3.png
3. Ursaring http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/217-3.png
4. Claydol http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/344-3.png
5. Ninetails http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/038-3.png
6. Gastrodon http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/423-3.png
7. Minun http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/312-3.png
8. Cherrim http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/421-3.png
9. Feraligatr http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/160-3.png
10. Unown http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/201-3.png

[Dylflon]

Frankenstan's draft:

1. Cloyster http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/091-3.png
2. Seviper http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/336-3.png
3. Cacturne http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/332-3.png
4. Clefable http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/036-3.png
5. Zangoose http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/335-3.png
6. Rampardos http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/409-3.png
7. Kecleon http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/352-3.png
8. Togekiss http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/468-3.png
9. Girafarig http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/203-3.png
10. Machamp http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/068-3.png



God damnit.

[Dylflon]

Rock Adam's draft:

1. Politoed http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/186-3.png
2. Magnezone http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/462-3.png
3. Kingler http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/099-3.png
4. Mothim http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/414-3.png
5. Floatzel http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/419-3.png
6. Magcargo http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/219-3.png
7. Pidgeot http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/018-3.png
8. Magmortar http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/467-3.png
9. Scizor http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/212-3.png
10. Empoleon http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/395-3.png


GOD DAMNIT!

[Fox 6]

WTF i got crap.

Unknown, cherrim, minun, castform, sunflora f that shit.

They are all terrible.


Redo redo redo redo redo redo redo redo redo redo redo

unknown shouldnt even be in the draft. What the hell am i going to do? Spell "winner"?

and then your brother gets 6 amazing ones

This is like making me the equivalent of Poland in the second world war.

[Dylflon]

I'll come up with something to balance it out later - sort of a redraft.

[Vampyr]

I'll take mine.

Those Johto starters will be hard to get to everyone. :ohreilly: But if Moogle gets me a set, I can grab a ditto and start breeding them as well.

[Combine 017]

No 1 Hit KO move are permitted.
No Voltorb self destruct? :(

And I would like my draft please.
c'mon an entire team of magicarps, use your splash attack!

[Fox 6]

Selfdestruct isnt a 1 hit KO move by definition. It just does a shit load of damage

[Vampyr]

I believe these are the only OHKO moves at present:

Fissure
Guillotine
Horn Drill
Sheer Cold

[Dylflon]

Vampyr's draft:

1. Kecleon http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/352-3.png
2. Kangaskhan http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/115-2.png
3. Clefable http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/036-3.png
4. Ninetails http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/038-3.png
5. Crobat http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/169-3.png
6. Gyarados http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/130-3.png
7. Tropius http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/357-3.png
8. Furret http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/162-3.png
9. Masquerain http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/284-3.png
10. Seviper http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/336-3.png



That's the third Ninetails in this tournament. Random Number Generator seems to love Ninetails.

[Dylflon]

Combine 017's draft:

1. Dugtrio http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/051-3.png
2. Porygon-Z http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/474-3.png
3. Sceptile http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/254-3.png
4. Ledian http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/166-3.png
5. Luxray http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/405-3.png
6. Magnezone http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/462-3.png
7. Aggron http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/306-3.png
8. Rotom http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/479-3.png
9. Parasect http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/047-3.png
10. Vaporeon http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/134-3.png

Really good draft.


I'm just going to do everyone else's now too.

[Dylflon]

BreakABone's draft:

1. Dusknoir http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/477-3.png
2. Medicham http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/308-3.png
3. Vileplume http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/045-3.png
4. Victreebell http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/071-3.png
5. Mamoswine http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/473-3.png
6. Dunsparce http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/206-3.png
7. Claydol http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/344-3.png
8. Gengar http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/094-3.png
9. Kricketune http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/402-3.png
10. Quagsire http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/195-3.png

[Dylflon]

Swan's draft:

1. Persian http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/053-3.png
2. Womadam http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/413-2.png
3. Vaporeon http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/134-3.png
4. Cloyster http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/091-3.png
5. Houndoom http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/229-3.png
6. Weezing http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/110-3.png
7. Bronzong http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/437-3.png
8. Sandslash http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/028-3.png
9. Aggron http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/306-3.png
10. Abomasnow http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/460-3.png

[Dylflon]

BLueFire's draft:

1. Froslass http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/478-2.png
2. Omastar http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/139-3.png
3. Gliscor http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/472-3.png
4. Porygon-Z http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/474-3.png
5. Probopass http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/476-3.png
6. Machamp http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/068-3.png
7. Leafeon http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/470-3.png
8. Grumpig http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/326-3.png
9. Mismagius http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/429-3.png
10. Exploud http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/295-3.png

[Dylflon]

TheSlyMoogle's draft:

1. Golem http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/076-3.png
2. Fearow http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/022-3.png
3. Vespiquen http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/416-2.png
4. Beautifly http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/267-3.png
5. Kangaskhan http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/115-2.png
6. Rhyperior http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/464-3.png
7. Drifblim http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/426-3.png
8. Butterfree http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/012-3.png
9. Girafarig http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/203-3.png
10. Illumise http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/314-2.png






Lots of bugs.



So what should we do about people who got less than a fair shake? My thought it to pick the 5 people with the shittiest teams and let them pick 5 Pokemon to get rid of and redraft.

[Vampyr]

Hmm, some interesting ones on my team. Should be fun. Have we decided on a level cap yet? I want to get to training. :)

[Combine 017]

So what should we do about people who got less than a fair shake? My thought it to pick the 5 people with the shittiest teams and let them pick 5 Pokemon to get rid of and redraft.

As long as they dont get to hand pick the 5 new ones that sounds fine with me.

[Dylflon]

Let's come to a consensus on who has absolutely no chance.

I think only Fox and Swan got kinda screwed over. Everyone else seems to have enough to work with.




Perhaps we should make some ground rules for the couple people who received pokemon that are banned from some tournaments (specifically Togekiss). Maybe we should find out why each one is banned and then just forbid the player from exploiting that.

[Combine 017]

Let's come to a consensus on who has absolutely no chance.

I think only Fox and Swan got kinda screwed over. Everyone else seems to have enough to work with.

I dont have a voltorb. Im doomed! :(

[Fox 6]

Im only really happy with 1 maybe 2 of mine.

[BreakABone]

I know only 4 members of my team... its been a really long time since I played a Pokemon game.

And currently only have access to 2 I believe, though think need to exchange my Haunter to get a Gengar.

[Dylflon]

Lawley's in the tournament (Frankenstan) and he knows a lot so I'll get him to tell me who has absolutely no chance, then you can jettison half your team for random redraft.

Start figuring out who you want to drop, Cam.

[Swan]

I have no idea if mine are good or not



Though Abomasnow looks really cool and has an awesome name

[Vampyr]

I don't see why Swan got screwed, he has some very nice pokemon.

[Fox 6]

Get rid of

Sunflora
Castform
Unknown
Cherrim
Minun

[BlueFire]

I don't really know most of the pokemon in my draft, except mismagius, which is a good one.

Bulbapedia, here I come.

[Dylflon]

I don't see why Swan got screwed, he has some very nice pokemon.

But can we all agree Cam got boned,right? I'll do your redraft Cam. But just you. And these ones are final so good luck

[Dylflon]

Fox 6's redraft:

1. Ursaring http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/217-3.png
2. Claydol http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/344-3.png
3. Ninetails http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/038-3.png
4. Gastrodon http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/423-3.png
5. Feraligatr http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/160-3.png

6. Ariados http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/168-3.png
7. Persian http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/053-3.png
8. Beautifly http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/267-3.png
9. Dodrio http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/085-3.png
10. Grumpig http://pokemon.marriland.com/images/dp/front-n/326-3.png


So that's 3 Grumpigs and 3 Ninetails in this tourney.

[Typhoid]

Since I don't like the way this tournament is being played, nor put together, I am backing out of it.

[Vampyr]

Since I don't like the way this tournament is being played, nor put together, I am backing out of it.

In other words your pokemon are on steroids, and you are trying to avoid a scandal.

[Dylflon]

Since I don't like the way this tournament is being played, nor put together, I am backing out of it.

There's like...months. You'll be brought up to speed.



P.S. Does anyone have a Vulpix? It's the one thing I am unable to catch on my own. Unless Cam brings over leafgreen for me to stick in my cartridge slot.

[Fox 6]

There's like...months. You'll be brought up to speed.



P.S. Does anyone have a Vulpix? It's the one thing I am unable to catch on my own. Unless Cam brings over leafgreen for me to stick in my cartridge slot.

Id would have to catch it and release it into your game park. And i only have 2 badges, and nowhere near its area yet.

[Dylflon]

Id would have to catch it and release it into your game park. And i only have 2 badges, and nowhere near its area yet.


Actually, on Pearl I can catch it in a certain area if your Leaf Green cartridge is simply in my DS.

[Fox 6]

OH SNAP!

[TheSlyMoogle]

Hey Kids.

So for the most part all of those pokemans that are banned are due to the fact that they retarded stat growth on some stats.

Togepi/togekiss is one of those. I forgot what stat or whatever.

I've always played in tournaments by those rules pretty much so never had to really deal with any of them.

The dragons all have near legendary stat growth and are obviously retarded to deal with. If you didn't get an ice user on your team you are fucked in a tournament and even still I've seen plenty of that shit go down.

Furthermore I would appreciate it if I could maybe get some redraft action. Bug pokemans are technically the worst pokemans in the game. The only one that is decent is Vespiquen which I did get, but I don't actually have her and don't feel like going through the trouble of slathering honey on 3 different trees and fucking praying that I get a combee and hoping that the 1/25 odds gives me a fucking female one. Yeah... It's that dumb. So what I was thinking is perhaps drop all the bugs and Golem seeing as I don't have much else to work with either.

Also more bad news. My copy of Pearl with all the old school pokemans is at home with the parents sitting in a box. I'm going to try and make the trip tomorrow to get it, however if I do not get a chance tomorrow to go I will not be able to get it until next Friday. So all those Johto Starters and Red/Blue pokemans are lost for the moment.

I don't know if the level cap has been set or not but I think 50 is good because pretty much every pokemans that is not banned learns their entire moveset by 50. Advice to anyone who got numel/camerupt he's on of the only pokemon in the game that can only learn his best move by staying in pre-evolved form. If you want to know what move check out serebii.net. In fact check out serebii.net for all your pokemans needs.

[TheSlyMoogle]

Double Post Sorry.

So I was just thinking of something but it may be Too much work.

Perhaps since there are 17 different pokemon types what we could do is maybe let everyone pick their favorite 10 types of pokemans, and then give them 1 random mon from each of those 10 types? This balances out a lot with the fact that someone doesn't get 4 or 5 of the same type of pokemon and it would make for a closer tournament for sure.

Just a suggestion. Pokemon with 2 types would be placed into both of the categories.

Just a thought on a better way to balance the draft.

And just to be clear there are a few dragon types that aren't banned:

Altaria, Kingdra, Vibrava and Flygon.

Also the TypeList:

NORMAL, BUG, DARK, ELECTRIC, FIGHTING, FIRE, FLYING, GHOST, GRASS, GROUND, ICE, POISON, PSYCHIC, ROCK, STEEL, WATER, DRAGON

[Angrist]

That sounds like a fair system, although it takes longer to pick them using a random number generator.

[Frankenstan]

We could also draft based on the already predetermined tiers that are already available on smogon, which is where I have got most of my information involving tournament rules so far. If we drafted so that everyone got two from the highest tier, two from the middle and 6 from the lower tier, we could assure that everyone has an equal number of equally useful pokemon. This would not take dylflon too long to pull a draft from either as the lists already exist.

I'd suggest something like this simply due to the fact that the other drafting methods may lead to a lack of balance, for example: theslymoogle's draft compared to say Rock Adams or BLueFires, who probably have the strongest lists so far.

If anyone else likes this idea for the draft then help expand on it, since we still need to know how many from each list etc. that everyone thinks is best.

Edit - Also anyone whose list already conforms to the decided amounts from each list won't have to be redrafted. Dylflon's draft for instance has two from the highest tier (Dusknoir and Gallade), two from the middle (Swellow and Ninetails) and 6 from the lowest. This would also help save some more time compared to having to redraft everyone.

[Typhoid]

There's like...months. You'll be brought up to speed

Wha?
No no.
My dislike falls into how the tournament rules and regulations are, not time/pokemon I got.


I'm not a fan of the "Okay, breed this pokemon until you get the best stats possible, then level it up like mad to level 50, and fight everyone else who did the exact same thing, thusly nullifying exactly what you did to yours."


I'd be more down if it was like "Pick 6-8 normal pokemon under level 35 which you catch in your game. No breeding, no trading. Whatever your game has in it, and whatever you're able to catch and raise yourself, is what you get."

To me, that seems a lot more fair than "Make sure it's an aggresive type so it levels up mostly in attack and defense."

That, is my gripe with it.

[Dylflon]

We could also draft based on the already predetermined tiers that are already available on smogon, which is where I have got most of my information involving tournament rules so far. If we drafted so that everyone got two from the highest tier, two from the middle and 6 from the lower tier, we could assure that everyone has an equal number of equally useful pokemon. This would not take dylflon too long to pull a draft from either as the lists already exist.

I'd suggest something like this simply due to the fact that the other drafting methods may lead to a lack of balance, for example: theslymoogle's draft compared to say Rock Adams or BLueFires, who probably have the strongest lists so far.

If anyone else likes this idea for the draft then help expand on it, since we still need to know how many from each list etc. that everyone thinks is best.

Edit - Also anyone whose list already conforms to the decided amounts from each list won't have to be redrafted. Dylflon's draft for instance has two from the highest tier (Dusknoir and Gallade), two from the middle (Swellow and Ninetails) and 6 from the lowest. This would also help save some more time compared to having to redraft everyone.


Andrew, if you don't mind, you could find out what tier each persons mons are from, and then if their list works out then we won't redraft for them and just use the 6 that conform to a fair system.

But say they have too many top tiers (like Rock for instance), they have to pick two of them and throw the others out. If anyone is lacking mons from any tier, then we'll redraft those.


Or we can just redraft with those tiers in mind, draft 9 pokemon (3 from each tier) and take the banned ones out.

Let's get a public opinion on this.

[Typhoid]

PS Why didn't the gagger just re-use his Fission Mailed account?

[Dylflon]

PS Why didn't the gagger just re-use his Fission Mailed account?

We couldn't remember what his old account was! It's so obvious now.

[Vampyr]

Wha?
No no.
My dislike falls into how the tournament rules and regulations are, not time/pokemon I got.


I'm not a fan of the "Okay, breed this pokemon until you get the best stats possible, then level it up like mad to level 50, and fight everyone else who did the exact same thing, thusly nullifying exactly what you did to yours."


I'd be more down if it was like "Pick 6-8 normal pokemon under level 35 which you catch in your game. No breeding, no trading. Whatever your game has in it, and whatever you're able to catch and raise yourself, is what you get."

To me, that seems a lot more fair than "Make sure it's an aggresive type so it levels up mostly in attack and defense."

That, is my gripe with it.

Breeding pokemon over and over to get the best stats is pointless unless you are trying to get a nice IV, which to me ruins the game. I don't even think about those. There is no way to find them out in-game, they weren't meant to be known. I wish they didn't exist, every pokemon should start with a 31 IV. It's totally random and out of control.

[Frankenstan]

Andrew, if you don't mind, you could find out what tier each persons mons are from, and then if their list works out then we won't redraft for them and just use the 6 that conform to a fair system.

But say they have too many top tiers (like Rock for instance), they have to pick two of them and throw the others out. If anyone is lacking mons from any tier, then we'll redraft those.


Or we can just redraft with those tiers in mind, draft 9 pokemon (3 from each tier) and take the banned ones out.

Let's get a public opinion on this.

Either way works fine with me really, i'm only really interested in finding a method that everyone agrees with that allows for some decent balance. The specific reason for the 2-2-6 thing was that it requires people to use all 3 tiers rather then 3 of each which allows people to ignore the bottom tier entirely, which is not what I would like to see. Here is the list of how everyone's draft looks.

Dylflon
High-2 (Dusknoir and Gallade)
Medium-2 (Swellow and Ninetails)
Low-6

Typhoid
High-0,
Medium-3 (Typhlosion, Yanmega, Nidoqueen)
Low-7

Frankenstan
High-2 (Togekiss, Machamp)
Medium-1 (Clefable)
Low-7

Rock Adam
High-3 (Empoleon, Scizor, Magnezone)
Medium-1 (Magmortar)
Low -6

Vampyr
High-1 (Gyarados)
Medium-3 (Clefable, Ninetails, Crobat)
Low-6

Combine 017
High-4 (Dugtrio, Magnezone, Vaporeon, Porygon-Z)
Medium-2 (Sceptile,Rotom)
Low-4

BreakABone
High-3 (Dusknoir, Mamoswine, Gengar)
Medium-1 (Claydol)
Low-6

Swan
High-3 (Vaporeon, Abomasnow, Bronzong)
Medium-2 (Weezing, Houndoom)
Low-5

BLueFire
High-4 (Gliscor, Froslass, Porygon-Z, Machamp)
Medium-2 (Omastar, Mismagius)
Low-4

TheSlyMoogle
High-1 (Rhyperior)
Medium-0
Low-9

Fox 6
High-0
Medium-3 (Claydol, Feraligatr, Ninetails)
Low-7

Suprisingly, most lists are relatively close to 2-2-6 with only a few adjustments needed. Sorry about the length of the list, but it is useful to show how some people like Theslymoogle and Fox 6 have lists that are quite bad while Combine 017 and BLueFire have very good lists.

[Dylflon]

So the tiers break down into Overused Underused and Never Used. I find tihs both itneresting and helpful.

I think 2-2-6 is also a good way to draft this thing out. It means pretty much everyone will have 4 good Pokemon on their teams and 2 average ones to round it out. I'll start making people's roster adjustments this evening.

If anyone wants to add any input about how they think we should break the teams down on a tier based level, I'm all ears. Sorry about the confusion everyone. We'll get this down and hopefully everyone will be happy.

I guess we'll start knocking things off that are on SlyMoogle's ban list too. (Sorry about your Togekiss, Andrew)

[Combine 017]

Are you going to redraft everyones pokemon or do I get to choose some to get rid of?

[Dylflon]

Are you going to redraft everyones pokemon or do I get to choose some to get rid of?

That's more like it, yes. Except you have to choose two from your list of best pokemon to get rid of and get crappier ones instead.

[Frankenstan]

Once you decide to do redrafts, I would like my zangoose and togekiss redrafted, thanks.

[Dylflon]

Before I can balance everything I need some people to decide on who they want redrafted.

Rock Adams needs to get rid of either empoleon, Scizor, or Magnezone.

Vampyr needs to get rid of either Clefable, Ninetails, or crobat.

Combine needs to get rid of two of the following:Dugtrio, Magnezone, Vaporeon, Porygon-Z

BreakABone needs to get rid of Dusknoir, Mamoswine, or Gengar

Swan will have Bronzong removed.

BlueFire needs to drop 2 of the following: Gliscor, Froslass, Porygon-Z, Machamp

Sly - you get to drop 3 of any Pokemon besides Rhyperior.

Fox - Drop Claydol, Feraligatr or Ninetails plus any two of your other Pokemon.

[TheSlyMoogle]

Before I can balance everything I need some people to decide on who they want redrafted.

Rock Adams needs to get rid of either empoleon, Scizor, or Magnezone.

Vampyr needs to get rid of either Clefable, Ninetails, or crobat.

Combine needs to get rid of two of the following:Dugtrio, Magnezone, Vaporeon, Porygon-Z

BreakABone needs to get rid of Dusknoir, Mamoswine, or Gengar

Swan will have Bronzong removed.

BlueFire needs to drop 2 of the following: Gliscor, Froslass, Porygon-Z, Machamp

Sly - you get to drop 3 of any Pokemon besides Rhyperior.

Fox - Drop Claydol, Feraligatr or Ninetails plus any two of your other Pokemon.

Wait ok I'm lost here in this thread now?

I was under the impression that we would redraft based on one of these new systems entirely?

Totally confused now.

EDIT:

Oh I get it now. Hmm just not sure why some of us couldn't have complete redrafts if we wanted though. In other words I hate bug pokemans. I'll take 6 shitty pokemans as long as most of them aren't bugs. :D

[Dylflon]

Wait ok I'm lost here in this thread now?

I was under the impression that we would redraft based on one of these new systems entirely?

Totally confused now.

EDIT:

Oh I get it now. Hmm just not sure why some of us couldn't have complete redrafts if we wanted though. In other words I hate bug pokemans. I'll take 6 shitty pokemans as long as most of them aren't bugs. :D

Don't worry. You'll get your good mons. Just pick your 3 worst ones and jettison them.

[TheSlyMoogle]

Illumise, Beautifly and Butterfree.

[Combine 017]

Before I can balance everything I need some people to decide on who they want redrafted.

Combine needs to get rid of two of the following:Dugtrio, Magnezone, Vaporeon, Porygon-Z

Hmmm, lets see. I will keep dugtrio because I need a ground type. (although he is kind of lame.) and ill keep porygon-Z cause I dont know what it does.

Get rid of:
-magnazone
-vaporion

[Fox 6]

Drop Claydol, beautfly, aridos, and persian

[Vampyr]

Drop crobat.

never really liked that pokemon.

[TheSlyMoogle]

Ok.

Can I get my redraft soon prz?

Also I need people to PM me with what pokemans you do not have and need to acquire.

Basically I'll be in Chicago tomorrow night until Thursday and during the daytime I'll probably have nothing to do so I need to know what mons I'm getting for everyone and also need to get crazy with my own mons. Something to do. Either this or I'll end up playing some shitty MMORPG that is free to play.

[Dylflon]

I'll try to get this going tomorrow. Sorry for being tardy, John.

[Ryubackflip]

I signed up on the forums just for this tournament! I hope its not too late to register.

[Dylflon]

You'll get your mons tomorrow when I fix everyone else's lists.

Sorry, I won't be able to do it tonight, John!

[TheSlyMoogle]

Damn.

EDIT:

For those who might want to get crazy with the tournament:

How to EV level your pokemans! (http://www.serebii.net/games/evs.shtml)

It's not as complicated as you might think, just time consuming. Also for the most part it's the reason most pokemon tournaments are level 50 caps because level 50 is the level or so where most of the time EV starts to kick in really well. That's why serious tournaments that are level 75 cap are more interesting. It's fun as shit to see a Blastoise take out a Venusaur when you know that shit shouldn't happen.

[Dylflon]

Drop Claydol, beautfly, aridos, and persian

That's one pokemon too many.

[Fox 6]

Claydol and the 2 bugs then

[Ryubackflip]

Wheres my gosh dern pockey mans?!

Edited for cussing like an old prospect miner!

[Fox 6]

Wheres my gosh dern pockey mans?!

Edited for cussing like an old prospect miner!

Voltorbs as big as your head!

[Vampyr]

I want my last pokeman. >:|

Lets form a mob.

[TheSlyMoogle]

Meh ok. I have random number gens setup for each tier ranking and am willing to do the redrafts, and could do them like tomorrow.

The only stipulation is I would like to offer a complete redraft to anyone who wants one for whatever reason. The only stipulation is it would have to be a complete redraft and not pick and choose.

Just to help you out since I think you're super busy with school.

[Vampyr]

I'd be down with a redraft.

[Dylflon]

I actually have free time tomorrow. It will be done.

Scouts honor.

[Dylflon]

Frankenstan's redraft is done.

Original:
Cloyster
Seviper
Cacturne
Clefable
Rampardos
Kecleon
Girafarig
Machamp

New:

Kingdra
Altaria

[Dylflon]

TheSlyMoogle's redraft:

Original:

Golem
Fearow
Vespiquen
Kangaskhan
Rhyperior
Drifblim
Girafarig

New:

Infernape
Gardevoir
Poliwrath

[Dylflon]

Vampyr's redraft:

Original:

Kecleon
Kangaskhan
Clefable
Ninetails
Gyarados
Tropius
Furret
Masquerain
Seviper

New:

Dusknoir

[Dylflon]

Combine 017's redraft:

Original:

Dugtrio
Porygon-Z
Sceptile
Ledian
Luxray
Aggron
Rotom
Parasect

New:

Glaceon
Zangoose

[Dylflon]

Swan redraft:

Original:

Persian
Wormadam
Vaporeon
Cloyster
Houndoom
Weezing
Sandslash
Aggron
Abomasnow

New:

Chimecho

[Dylflon]

Fox 6 redraft:

(realized you still dropped too many but that was my bad. Just dropped beautifly instead of Ariados. Let me know if you want it the other way around)

Original:

Ursaring
Ninetails
Gastrodon
Feraligatr
Persian
Ariados
Dodrio
Grumpig

New:
Porygon-Z
Froslass

[Dylflon]

Still need picks for drops for BAB and BLueFire.

I will handle Typh and Rock Adams.

Ryu Backflip draft coming.

[Dylflon]

RyuBackFlip draft:

1. Skarmory
2. Tyranitar
3. Mismagius
4. Weezing
5. Rapidash
6. Sudowoodo
7. Qwilfish
8. Mr. Mime
9. Manectric
10. Luxray

[TheSlyMoogle]

RyuBackFlip draft:

1. Skarmory
2. Tyranitar
3. Mismagius
4. Weezing
5. Rapidash
6. Sudowoodo
7. Qwilfish
8. Mr. Mime
9. Manectric
10. Luxray

Uhm pretty sure Tyranitar is banned pokemans?

[Combine 017]

Combine 017's redraft:

Original:

Dugtrio
Porygon-Z
Sceptile
Ledian
Luxray
Aggron
Rotom
Parasect

New:

Glaceon
Zangoose

I call zombie bullshit on that! Also, whats happening?
Why are most of these pokemon within a draft scale of 1/50. Ive seen that same damn pokemon about 5 times in about 4 different drafts. Whats going on here!

[Dylflon]

I call zombie bullshit on that! Also, whats happening?
Why are most of these pokemon within a draft scale of 1/50. Ive seen that same damn pokemon about 5 times in about 4 different drafts. Whats going on here!

You'll have to ask the random number generator.

[Dylflon]

Uhm pretty sure Tyranitar is banned pokemans?

He's not on the list you provided me!

[TheSlyMoogle]

He's not on the list you provided me!

Sorry I just saw dragonite on their and assumed he was on there too. They are basically the same pokemans. I would suggest replacing tyranitar with another pogeymans, but it's up to you seeing as it's my fuck up.

[Dylflon]

Sorry I just saw dragonite on their and assumed he was on there too. They are basically the same pokemans. I would suggest replacing tyranitar with another pogeymans, but it's up to you seeing as it's my fuck up.

HMMMM. I will do this.


Say, could you perchance help me obtain a Vulpix?

[TheSlyMoogle]

HMMMM. I will do this.


Say, could you perchance help me obtain a Vulpix?

Yeah I can get that. Still haven't gone home to get my other pogeymans game. I'm lazy like fuck

[Ryubackflip]

Dylan, its high time ye replaced my Pogermen! (How many ways can we bastardize pokemon?) Don't make me come over there!

[TheSlyMoogle]

Dylan, its high time ye replaced my Pogermen! (How many ways can we bastardize pokemon?) Don't make me come over there!

Pokewomen is probably the worst thing I can think of. Really I mean women just destroy everything.

[Fox 6]

So is anyone else too busy to be doing this like I am?

[Dylflon]

So is anyone else to busy to be doing this like I am?

Yeah. But we have until July.

[Combine 017]

Are we allowed to start catching our mons now?

[Dylflon]

Are we allowed to start catching our mons now?

You always have been.

[Ryubackflip]

Whats my last Picklechum?

[Dylflon]

Ryubackflip no longer has Tyranitar.

His final picklechum is Hippowdon.

[Ryubackflip]

Hippodong? sounds... mighty!

[Combine 017]

Dont know where to post this but I thought it was cool.
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/494940

[BreakABone]

Pokewomen is probably the worst thing I can think of. Really I mean women just destroy everything.

You would find women revolting. :p

I know I know easy setup.
And late delay, but I don't read EVERY thread here.