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Professor S
04-07-2009, 02:40 PM
Cap in Trade is a policy that puts a set limit on the amount of carbon/pollution that an industry can produce and put value on those limits, carbon credits can be sold from one company to another so a polluter can purchase the right to produce their pollutants. In theory, this encourages companies to produce less pollution so they can sell whatever credits they don't use, and discourages polluters by forcing them to purchase the unused credits from non-polluters. This all sounds very well and good, but there is a huge problem:

Not all businesses inherently produce equal amounts of carbon.

The greatest example of this is electrical power compared to the production of electronics. 50% of all our electricity is produced by burning coal, a fuel that is notoriously dirty. When compared to power producers, the electronics industry barely produces any pollution at all.

Even if coal powered plants were to adopt clean coal technology or to convert to less dirty deisel/petroleum power, it would cost them millions if not billions to do so, so the cost effective alternative is to purchase carbon credits from non-polluters.

In the end, non-polluters aren't polluting any more or less than usual, polluters aren't polluting any more or less, but instead he consumer is left holding the bag as the added cost of purchasing the credits will likely be transferred to them... and to top it all off the intended effect of decreasing pollution is never achieved.

The only winner in this equation are industries that are histrically non-polluters by the nature of what they produce... and the government who will for the first time ever have invented a product that companies must trade... and that the government can then TAX (which I think is the whole point of it all).

Thoughts? Using this model as a base, what would you change to make Cap in Trade work? My first thing would be to make the credits tax free and create realistic goal moels base on type of industry and not simply a flat limit regardless of industry.

Bond
04-07-2009, 09:06 PM
I listened to some talks on carbon cap in trade at our law school about a month ago. It is an interesting idea in theory, but at its root the program is a corporate tax, which will inevitably be passed along to the consumer. I am not sure if it is the most effective way to control carbon emissions, but I am also not aware of a superior alternative.

Professor S
04-07-2009, 11:20 PM
To me the greatest successes in real environmental progress are when you make green work economically as well as idealistically.

Take CFLs for example. They are a very successful product because they combine low evergy usage with convenience (they last years) and long term savings.

Meanwhile we have seen sales of hybrid cars fall faster than gas prices on a percentage basis. This is what happens when an industry treats environmental products like a fad. They overcharge or are inefficient in creating the product, making the cost prohibitive to everyone except for those who a) are "green freaks" or b) want to be fashionably politically correct. The first group is too small to market an automobile to, and the second disappears as soon as purchasing the cars becomes inconvenient. There vis nothing more inconvenient than a deep recession.

Until industry and government can create thoughtful, comprehensive solutions that are attractive to everyone and not just idealogues, posers and thr IRS, there will be no superior alternative.

Rediculous ideas like Cap in Trade won't help the environment at all. Instead companies will simply move the polution credits from one company to another, and we'll pay for each transaction. The only winner is the government who can tax the credit transactions that will be mandated by the government. (in Cap in Trade's current form)

KillerGremlin
04-09-2009, 11:25 AM
CFLs kick ass....I have a desk lamp with one running 3 years strong. People should be made aware that they are not the best lighting solution though...LED seems to be the future. CFLs still have some issues in regards to disposing of them.

It is too bad that the demand for hybrid cars hasn't been met, because I know a lot of people who want one.

Professor S
04-09-2009, 01:19 PM
It is too bad that the demand for hybrid cars hasn't been met, because I know a lot of people who want one.

That's where I think the problem is: economics. People want a good looking car that is a hybrid but they can't justify paying more (especially with how many gas powered cars are increasing their mpg).

Want + less $ = Hybrid Get