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Bond
04-01-2009, 02:05 PM
Obama's budget quietly resurrects it in 2010.

Lawrence Summers, President Obama's chief economic adviser, declared recently that "Let's be very clear: There are no, no tax increases this year. There are no, no tax increases next year." Oh yes, yes, there are. The President's budget calls for the largest increase in the death tax in U.S. history in 2010.

The announcement of this tax increase is buried in footnote 1 on page 127 of the President's budget. That note reads: "The estate tax is maintained at its 2009 parameters." This means the death tax won't fall to zero next year as scheduled under current law, but estates will be taxed instead at up to 45%, with an exemption level of $3.5 million (or $7 million for a couple). Better not plan on dying next year after all.

This controversy dates back to George W. Bush's first tax cut in 2001 that phased down the estate tax from 55% to 45% this year and then to zero next year. Although that 10-year tax law was to expire in 2011, meaning that the death tax rate would go all the way back to 55%, the political expectation was that once the estate tax was gone for even one year, it would never return.

And that is no doubt why the Obama Administration wants to make sure it never hits zero. It doesn't seem to matter that the vast majority of the money in an estate was already taxed when the money was earned. Liberals counter that the estate tax is "fair" because it is only paid by the richest 2% of American families. This ignores that much of the long-term saving and small business investment in America is motivated by the ability to pass on wealth to the next generation.

The importance of intergenerational wealth transfers was first measured in a National Bureau of Economic Research study in 1980. That study looked at wealth and savings over the first three-quarters of the 20th century and found that "intergenerational transfers account for the vast majority of aggregate U.S. capital formation." The co-author of that study was . . . Lawrence Summers.

Many economists had previously believed in "the life-cycle theory" of savings, which postulates that workers are motivated to save with a goal of spending it down to zero in retirement. Mr. Summers and coauthor Laurence Kotlikoff showed that patterns of savings don't validate that model; they found that between 41% and 66% of capital stock was transferred either by bequests at death or through trusts and lifetime gifts. A major motivation for saving and building businesses is to pass assets on so children and grandchildren have a better life.

What all this means is that the higher the estate tax, the lower the incentive to reinvest in family businesses. Former Congressional Budget Office director Douglas Holtz-Eakin recently used the Summers study as a springboard to compare the economic cost of a 45% estate tax versus a zero rate. He finds that the long-term impact of eliminating the death tax would be to increase small business capital investment by $1.6 trillion. This additional investment would create 1.5 million new jobs.

In other words, by raising the estate tax in the name of fairness, Mr. Obama won't merely bring back from the dead one of the most despised of all federal taxes, and not merely splinter many family-owned enterprises. He will also forfeit half the jobs he hopes to gain from his $787 billion stimulus bill. Maybe that's why the news of this unwise tax increase was hidden in a footnote.

Source: WSJ (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123846422014872229.html)
*wink* No new taxes! *wink*

KillerGremlin
04-01-2009, 03:15 PM
Holy fuck that is one lame tax! I can't believe the government is pulling shit like that.

Is the only loophole to sign the deed to your house over and transfer your money before you die? Nothing like asking family members on their death bed to sign over the deed for their house.

Fox 6
04-01-2009, 06:14 PM
April Fools?

Jason1
04-01-2009, 07:54 PM
If we had the estate tax during the Clinton years, then it must be a good thing.

Therefore I declare the estate tax a good thing for 98% of americans. If your in the top 2% of wealthiest people when you die, then you can afford to pay this tax. You'll be dead anyways, so stop complaining.

Swan
04-01-2009, 08:06 PM
If we had the estate tax during the Clinton years, then it must be a good thing.

Therefore I declare the estate tax a good thing for 98% of americans. If your in the top 2% of wealthiest people when you die, then you can afford to pay this tax. You'll be dead anyways, so stop complaining.

When you say things like this I can't tell if you are joking

Jason1
04-01-2009, 10:15 PM
What I said was 100% how I feel. Occasionally I do joke or elaborate somewhat, but not this time.

Professor S
04-02-2009, 09:13 AM
My issue with this tax is not necessarily when it taxes liquid assets or paper/equity investments. If the investment/wealth can meet the demands of the tax without causing is to collapse, I don't think the tax is completely wrong on a financial level (morally it's reprehensible as it taxes the same wealth TWICE).

My issue is that it makes no differentiation between liquid assets and concrete/long term assets such as land/businesses/etc. These long term examples of hard assets disintegrate when we try and tax them at high levels, forcing them to be sold off in chunks, usually to people who can afford to buy them up and profit even more from them.

Real estate is a funny thing. In thirty years it can make average people very "paper" wealthy and therefore subject to abuses like the estate tax. What is going to happen to farms and generational property? Real estate has always been one of the few ways that middle class people could reasonably expect to create more wealth not just for themselves, but for their children and their children's children. It's also historically more stable than the stock market. Even with the real estate market the way it is, it still wasn;t as badly hit as the stock market and over 30 years Real Estate brings 6% a year in interest. Now in many cases this slowly built family wealth will be forced to be sold off to cover the tax.

So the middle class trying to grow their wealth are punished, and those that have wealth can afford the tax and even are given the opportunity to buy the afformentioned wealth from the middle class at rock bottom prices because the middle class is desperately trying to cover the cost of the inheritance tax.

Now add to this the fact that real estate companies and banks can no longer provide appraisal services (they must be froma third party), and you open up a huge opportunity for local governments to corrupt this entire process in an effort to get a new Target or Wal-Mart in the neighborhood. How much money would it take to get a third party appraiser to value a $2 million property at $3.5 million, and therefore subject to punitive estate taxes? $1,000? $2,000? Until you have dealt with a local government, you don't know what corruption is.

Oh, and Pres. Obama also wants to greatly reduce the charitable contribution deduction from the tax system, even though it will cripple many charities.

Once again, these policies are not about fairness or equitable distribution of wealth, they are about POWER. The policies currently being proposed don't encourage the natural growth of wealth in the midle of lower classes, because to allow that would be to give the people the power and not the government. The government wants to dole out our money as they see fit. The government doesn't want to encourage private charitable contributions, because they can't make the decision of who gets the money.

Are we starting to get it yet?

Bond
04-02-2009, 11:48 PM
http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/ED-AJ277B_boski_NS_20090402230148.gif

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123871911466984927.html

manasecret
04-03-2009, 12:08 PM
I wish I understood the budget enough to discuss this. I don't like the conclusion that article paints and I hope Obama gets a lot more criticism for his budget and takes the criticism seriously.

thatmariolover
04-03-2009, 12:54 PM
It's more rich taxing. I'm not going to argue the morality of it, but realistically this isn't going to effect anybody on this site (unless you've got a secret stash of gold, somewhere).

Bond
04-03-2009, 01:49 PM
I suppose it depends how you define "rich," but look at the future income tax increase at the bottom of the graph I posted. Those are present value increases on the $100-150K a year range. I don't consider that an unrealistically high sum to earn, especially in areas such as California and NYC.

Tax increases will always start at the "top 2%," but they inevitably end up affecting all self-reliant wage earners. It's also important to take into account hidden taxes such as inflation, carbon cap and trade, etc.

Professor S
04-06-2009, 08:27 AM
It's more rich taxing. I'm not going to argue the morality of it, but realistically this isn't going to effect anybody on this site (unless you've got a secret stash of gold, somewhere).

Not really. Sure, it does affect the rich to point, but as I mentioned earlier it also attacks those who are not traditionally wealthy, destroys the wealth of a growing middle class and prevents that wealth from reaching upper class status in an organic fashion.

Sure, those who make miraculous leaps into wealth will become rich, but the idea of building wealth from generation to generation is destroyed with a death tax.

The worst part is that the wealthy more often than not don't even pay these taxes because they have tax lawyers who protect it via A/B Trusts and other shelters. New wealth doesn't have knowledge to hire this type of help nor the available cash to hire them if they did.

My parents went through this when my grandmother died and left them 20+ acres and premium developmental land (near worthless farmland when purchased 30 years previous) that they wanted to turn into a horse farm or dog park. After the government was done with them they were forced to take out a second mortgage on their own home to pay the estate and income taxes and sat nervously as they tried to sell my grandmother's property to pay for those taxes. What was supposed to be a boon for my grandmother's entire family; a legacy she wanted us to maintain and grow, turned into a 2 year long nightmare forcing my family to sell family property they wanted to keep. Who bought it? A rich developer who threw up million dollar properties and made out like a bandit on the whole deal.

My parents own a good bit of land in the same area and were able to keep some of the investments my grandmother left them (adding to their own), and they learned very well from their situation and have already taken steps to protect their hard assets for me and my brother. Rest assured, I will NOT be paying estate taxes on my inheritance, but thats not the point. This entire process of estate taxes is an bureaucratic monster that should be destroyed. You should not be punished because the American tax system is an unruly and overly complex beast that requires expert help to bypass.

Estate taxes protect existing wealth and even break up new wealth that can then be consumed and profited on by the upper classes.