Murder or Pedophiliia

[BreakABone]

I had some time to waste this morning so picked up a couple of newspapers, and the main story in two of them was the murder of a local radio host.

Pretty standard stuff, I guess until I saw that he was murdered when he arranged for a 16 year old boy to come over to his house for some "rough" (newspapers words) sex and 60 bucks.

And I just found it weird, that even in light of the murder, none made the case that a almost 50 year old man was meeting a 16 year old. I mean there is little reason to damn the dead, but I guess the bulk of this thread is... what is the lesser of two evils?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/03/25/2009-03-25_violent_sex_ad_led_to_murder_of_wabc_new.html
http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/03/26/gal_weber7.jpg
http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/03/26/gal_weber2.jpg

[Teuthida]

Murder can be honorable. Pedophiliia never.

[Zen]

I thik this works out great, the world is one pedophile less, and hopefully one potential serial killer less as well.

[BreakABone]

I thik this works out great, the world is one pedophile less, and hopefully one potential serial killer less as well.

Now, I won't disagree with you on those points, I just meant the overall picture.

Linked to this story because it was the one that got me thinking.

[GameMaster]

That's a tough call.

Taking a life is horrible but so is screwing with a child.

Murder is a short-term experience for the victim but it haunts their family and friends forever. While pedophilia can be a long-lasting or life-long trauma for the victim.

I guess I'd have to say murder. There's no really no way to recover from that.

If a child is young enough and receives counseling afterward, they might manage to be able to lead a relatively normal life afterward.

[KillerGremlin]

50 and 16 isn't that bad.

How about when someone gets molested in the birth-12 bracket. When I was 16 I was pretty self-aware of my sexuality, I would argue most people are.

Would I rather be murdered or the victim of pedophilia......I'd say pedophilia.

[BreakABone]

Would I rather be murdered or the victim of pedophilia......I'd say pedophilia.
Its kind of hard to be a victim of it at your age, you would have to commit it.
And you wouldn't say much if you were murdered. :p

I would agree with you, that at 16, the boy knew what he was getting himself into, I was just making the case that no one seemed to have mention that the reporter was in the wrong as well.

Did he deserve to die, of course not, but he wasn't being a moral and uplifting citizen when this happened.

[Typhoid]

Murder is "better" than pedophilia, barring that it's not the murder of a child/infant.

[Fox 6]

Did any one else hear about that Hungarian man who locked his daughter under his house and fathered like 8 kids with her? Think one of them died too.

Now thats soooo sick

[Szymon]

As long as the old man never harmed anyone and his under age "victims" agreed to the sex and enjoyed it then who the fuck are you to tell either of these people what to do? If this was some sort of vigilante sting operation (I don't know because the article link didn't work) then it could very well be that the 16 year old kid contacted our sexual predator and offered the sex, in which case the only predator would be the murderer.

Sure it's weird for the old guy to have a taste for adolescent boys but does that justify murder? If you're truly against it and want to perform some sort of vigilante justice then take something precious from the guy like a couple of fingers or his dick, but as somebody who values their own life beyond anything else, I would never take that away from somebody else.

If the title of this article was Murder or Rape, that might be a different story. A rapist pedophile is a horrible person doing a horrible thing. However this man was not a pedophile, he was an ephebophile, which I can say I am too. Probably because that adolescent age range is only 1 year younger than me. And yea it's weird that he was paying for the sex, but that's not even illegal unless he was the person contacting random people money for sex (soliciting).

I am only 20 so for me to fuck a 16 year old would be weird, but not THAT weird. To pay for it would be even weirder, but not THAT weird. And for me to be 50 and do those things, well it would be THAT weird but not fucked up enough to justify a murder. Throw in the fact that he's gay and suddenly you have yourself a whole new level of hate, a level that shouldn't even exist but it does due to the insecurities and misunderstandings of the ignorant gay hating fucks out there.

In conclusion I'd fuck a 16 year old girl for $60 and it would be weird, but for an old man to fuck a 16 year old guy for $60 is enough to justify murder for some reason. If you plan on responding with "You'll understand when you get older." then you probably shouldn't respond at all because it would mean that all you've learned from getting older is how to hate and how to be ignorant at a socially acceptable level.

[Szymon]

PS: Jail bait is hot.

[Bube]

Did any one else hear about that Hungarian man who locked his daughter under his house and fathered like 8 kids with her? Think one of them died too.

Now thats soooo sick
I think that was an Austrian man. But yes, sick.

[Szymon]

I think that was an Austrian man. But yes, sick.

Yea, the only thing Hungarian about him was that he was Hungary for incest.

[BreakABone]

As long as the old man never harmed anyone and his under age "victims" agreed to the sex and enjoyed it then who the fuck are you to tell either of these people what to do? If this was some sort of vigilante sting operation (I don't know because the article link didn't work) then it could very well be that the 16 year old kid contacted our sexual predator and offered the sex, in which case the only predator would be the murderer.

Sure it's weird for the old guy to have a taste for adolescent boys but does that justify murder? If you're truly against it and want to perform some sort of vigilante justice then take something precious from the guy like a couple of fingers or his dick, but as somebody who values their own life beyond anything else, I would never take that away from somebody else.

If the title of this article was Murder or Rape, that might be a different story. A rapist pedophile is a horrible person doing a horrible thing. However this man was not a pedophile, he was an ephebophile, which I can say I am too. Probably because that adolescent age range is only 1 year younger than me. And yea it's weird that he was paying for the sex, but that's not even illegal unless he was the person contacting random people money for sex (soliciting).

I am only 20 so for me to fuck a 16 year old would be weird, but not THAT weird. To pay for it would be even weirder, but not THAT weird. And for me to be 50 and do those things, well it would be THAT weird but not fucked up enough to justify a murder. Throw in the fact that he's gay and suddenly you have yourself a whole new level of hate, a level that shouldn't even exist but it does due to the insecurities and misunderstandings of the ignorant gay hating fucks out there.

In conclusion I'd fuck a 16 year old girl for $60 and it would be weird, but for an old man to fuck a 16 year old guy for $60 is enough to justify murder for some reason. If you plan on responding with "You'll understand when you get older." then you probably shouldn't respond at all because it would mean that all you've learned from getting older is how to hate and how to be ignorant at a socially acceptable level.

In hindsight, I think posting to the article was a bad decision, as a lot of people seem to be sticking to that.

I just posted it because it was what got me thinking.

With that said, I won't necessarily agree with you, but I'm pretty sure disagreeing with you won't change your opinion.

I guess where I'm coming from since I work with teens and some of them have been sexually abused or taken advantage of by adults, I think pedophilia is an awful crime.

Now you said you would have no problem doing it with a 16 year old for cash, but what about a 12 year old or a 10 year old? I think 16 is a fairly reasonable age because most people at that time are at least informed enough to start making decisions on their own. Personally, I turn 24 this week, the only time I'm looking at 16 year olds is when they come nagging me for something at work, and even then will hardly speak to them. :p

Paying for sex, I don't see as a big deal either. Whether people want to admit it or not, everyone exchanges goods for sex. Its the reason guys take girls out on dates, its a bit more dressed up, but we pretty much all have the same goal in mind.

[Szymon]

In hindsight, I think posting to the article was a bad decision, as a lot of people seem to be sticking to that.

I just posted it because it was what got me thinking.

With that said, I won't necessarily agree with you, but I'm pretty sure disagreeing with you won't change your opinion.

I guess where I'm coming from since I work with teens and some of them have been sexually abused or taken advantage of by adults, I think pedophilia is an awful crime.

Now you said you would have no problem doing it with a 16 year old for cash, but what about a 12 year old or a 10 year old? I think 16 is a fairly reasonable age because most people at that time are at least informed enough to start making decisions on their own. Personally, I turn 24 this week, the only time I'm looking at 16 year olds is when they come nagging me for something at work, and even then will hardly speak to them. :p

Paying for sex, I don't see as a big deal either. Whether people want to admit it or not, everyone exchanges goods for sex. Its the reason guys take girls out on dates, its a bit more dressed up, but we pretty much all have the same goal in mind.

Quite honestly I wouldn't have sex with anyone for cash (yet), but I love playing devil's advocate even if only for the sake of argument.:mischief:

[BreakABone]

Quite honestly I wouldn't have sex with anyone for cash (yet), but I love playing devil's advocate even if only for the sake of argument.:mischief:

So why do you keep sending me checks? :ohreilly:

[KillerGremlin]

It all comes down to social values. Intrinsically I'd argue taking a life is the worse thing you could possibly do, ever. And even in the examples I'm about to list, I would still feel bad killing. But anyway, when murder is O-K:

1. war time
2. self-defense
3. to save your own life but not for self-defense reasons
4. accidentally or indirectly

Pedophilia is predetermined. Often it is an ends to some sick means. It's basically fucked up. The gray area is "what is pedophilia." I think nude pictures are subject of the most debate with regard to this. When you add rape/sex to the playing field, automatically we can agree that pedophilia is bad.

There's no arguing it. Killing someone in a war is not as bad as a 40 year old putting his penis in a 5-year old girl's mouth. Just typing that made me cringe a little inside, especially since I get to read about this sick shit now that I'm a psych major.

It gets a bit tricky though with age and all. Is two consenting 12 year olds that are having sex considered abuse? I mean, the US has some ass-backwards laws about sex and shit. Like, some 14 year old girl just got registered as a sex offender for putting up a picture of herself naked on myspace. That's bogus. That will haunt her on her record for the rest of her life. But the law is another topic to debate.

In this thread murder is not as bad as pedophilia unless it does not fall within the 4 points I listed above.

Peace out bitches.

[Szymon]

So why do you keep sending me checks? :ohreilly:

The cheques are for what I did to you while you slept. I still feel bad about it.

[BreakABone]

The cheques are for what I did to you while you slept. I still feel bad about it.

Mah gawd... those nightmares I've been having... are real. :(

[TheSlyMoogle]

Whoa ok this all got lost somewhere?

Did anyone besides me actually read the full article?

The 16 year old kid answered the ad on Craigslist that the guy had posted. Probably the kid didn't even say anything to the guy about his age.

And Quote:

The troubled teen accused in the stabbing death of radio reporter George Weber is a Satan-loving sadomasochist and hustler who agreed to a drug-fueled rough sex romp for $60.

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And Quote once more:

Katehis admitted stabbing Weber, a longtime WABC reporter, after answering an ad on craigslist looking for rough sex.

"He saw the victim's ad looking for violent sex and said, 'I can smother somebody for $60,' but it got out of hand," a police source said.

/Quote

So this old man went onto Craigslist posting an ad for violent/rough sex. Yeah ok that's pretty messed up but a lot of people like s and m situations and stuff.

Then this 16 year old kid responds to the ad saying that and offered to have sex with him and smother him while he did it for 60 dollars. Weird again but they both agreed to it.

Also I'm sorry but the guy in this picture looks much older than 16:

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/03/26/amd_katehis.jpg

I find it funny how because the kid was 16 some of you automatically assumed the murder was due to the fact that the man who solicited the sex was older, not because this kid was just psycho fucking nuts.

Well I guess for the most part I blame this whole thread on the way BaB worded his opening post. After reading the article it's pretty clear that the old man wasn't really at any fault here. He was laid off from his job and just looking to have some "fun" sex. He actually is the victim in this situation.

Always with these kinds of stories the media prints what they can and what they want. It's never the case you get the full story. I'm not saying maybe this guy wasn't a pedo, but I doubt it. I think the reason no one made a big deal out of the 50 to 16 thing is because the kid answered the ad and he was FUCKING INSANE!

Also just to add this last point the age of consent in KY is 16. I know for a lot of states where the age is 18, there are still loopholes in the law like if you're 16 to 18 as long as the person you have sex with, assuming it's consensual, is 25 or younger it's still not considered rape. Also there are ways around bigger age gaps as well.

Hell when I was 16 I was totally ready to get it on, and hey with an older man too. Probably in his 50s.

There are all kinds of people out there. Just trying to shed a little bit of light on the fucked up world we live in folks.

SlyMoogle out.