Is There a Bad Mario Game? [Archive]

BreakABone

02-14-2009, 03:43 PM

This is an IGN article that examines the mainline series (I'm sure the debate would be pretty easy if you opened it up to spin-offs and stuff) but this just looks at the core titles.

http://retro.ign.com/articles/954/954165p1.html

BlueFire

02-14-2009, 05:33 PM

Bad Mario game? Super Mario Sunshine!

thatmariolover

02-14-2009, 05:47 PM

Bad Mario game? Super Mario Sunshine!

I wish people wouldn't hate on Mario Sunshine so hard. Admittedly, it is my least favorite Mario game. But I honestly don't think it's a bad game in the least. It was the least accessible, mainly because the concept behind it was Japanese-type weird, and not in the charming way that so many Japanese concepts are.

It was still a very solid platformer, and I would argue that one fact in and of itself saves it from being a bad game. It's an fantastic execution of a bad concept.

Jonbo298

02-14-2009, 06:23 PM

In terms of "Core" Mario games, it can be a near tie between SMB2 and Sunshine. Sunshine still was overall a good game but the idea didn't pan out like it could have. SMB2 just because the US version was way out of left field...

Dylflon

02-15-2009, 02:18 AM

Super Mario Brothers 2, Sunshine, many of the spin-offs.

BreakABone

02-15-2009, 02:34 AM

Super Mario Brothers 2, Sunshine, many of the spin-offs.

We aren't counting spin-offs because the site didn't count spinoff.

I don't get the hate for Sunshine and SMB 2 though. Sunshine until Galaxy had one of my favorite boss battles (the rollercoaster ride) as long as some awesome substages with the platforming bit. Granted, the game was like a re-tread of SM64 with a way too large overworld, but still enjoyable.

SMB 2 I know gets hate for being so different, but I mean taking at the time there were only two games.. its only when you compare it to 3 and World.

GameMaster

02-15-2009, 02:39 AM

Considering that most of us here were 2 years of age or younger at the time of Super Mario Bros. 2, I think it's laughable that anybody would list it as a bad game.

No one here had the credibility or capability to assess it.

And no, revisiting the game in the future does not count. You cannot review an old game in the future.

The minimum age for being able to review a game: 10 years of age

Super Mario Bros. 2 release date: 1988 North America, 1989 Europe, 1992 Japan

Anyone born after 1978 offering an opinion of Super Mario Bros. 2: Disqualified!

Zen

02-15-2009, 01:16 PM

Well I was at least 7 when i got to play it, cus i remember getting it along with smb 3, and if smb 3 came out in 1990 i was at least 7, assuming i got it that same year.... so even though i am disqualified by your standards, i still loved super mario brothers 2, granted i only gave it a chance cus i lost smb 3 for about a month in some old drawers.

gekko

02-16-2009, 01:07 AM

Galaxy.

BreakABone

02-16-2009, 01:17 AM

Galaxy.

If I had a way to reach through the monitor and strangle someone, this would be the perfect time to use this.

Angrist

02-16-2009, 05:54 AM

Considering that most of us here were 2 years of age or younger at the time of Super Mario Bros. 2, I think it's laughable that anybody would list it as a bad game.[B]

Nonsense. I played it a lot when I was about 8-10. And after that.
And I didn't hate it.

I guess the least favorite has to be SMS, even though it was still pretty fun.

Dyne

02-16-2009, 11:08 PM

Super Mario Sunshine was full of great gameplay. I don't know what rating scale people use when they say "bad", but I consider it really good for what it was. I even prefer it to Galaxy in some regards.

I honestly don't know how you can call something bad when there's a million stinkers out there. On Gamecube alone, you have Shadow the Hedgehog, Viewtiful Joe: Red Hot Rumble, Geist, Turok: Evolution, Virtua Quest, Charlie's Angels, and Pokemon Channel. Those are bad. Mario Sunshine? Disappointing, at best. Bad? No.

Honestly, I think people were just craving more after Luigi's Mansion. And Luigi's Mansion was great on its own. People just wanted more.

gekko

02-17-2009, 12:27 PM

I don't see the problem with Mario Sushine. Not enough platforming? Maybe, but the game was great (story aside, I played the Japanese version and didn't get any of it).

Dylflon

02-17-2009, 01:03 PM

Did you make this thread to ask our opinions of what Mario games we didn't like solely so you could disagree with us any time we offered a negative opinion of a Mario game?

ZebraRampage

02-17-2009, 04:09 PM

I don't know if this was technically a bad Mario game, but there really wasn't much to it. I did have fun playing it when I was a kid, but..I do like geography a lot, so that might be part of it. Anyway, the game I'm talking about is Mario is Missing. I'm not necessarily saying it was bad, but it definitely didn't have a lot of gameplay in it. How many of you have actually played it?

Professor S

02-17-2009, 04:21 PM

ZebraRampage

02-17-2009, 04:33 PM

http://www.nintendo8.com/game/628/mario_is_missing/

Thank me later.

I actually just found that after I posted about it. This is later, so thanks haha.

Dyne

02-17-2009, 05:19 PM

I played Mario is Missing on my old IBM Aptiva. I don't remember a lack of gameplay. However, I wasn't old enough to understand most of it. I'm sure if I revisited it, it would seem shallow.

BreakABone

02-17-2009, 09:14 PM

Did you make this thread to ask our opinions of what Mario games we didn't like solely so you could disagree with us any time we offered a negative opinion of a Mario game?

I'm not really seeing the issue with this? :ohreilly:

But no, it was not the intention of the thread... it kind of developed that way.

GameMaster

02-17-2009, 11:34 PM

I guess we could shrug with my mindless indifference to each other's opinions.

Yes, that is far more attractive than a little passionate disagreement.

The Germanator

02-18-2009, 11:59 PM

Hmm. I think the definitive answer is no, there is not a bad Mario game. Sunshine is easily my least favorite, but it would be an amazing stretch in my mind to call that a "bad" game.

I know SMB 2 is what was released in the US, but I judge SMB 2 by the Lost Levels which is an absolutely brilliant and difficult game. SMB 2 is what it was, which was Doki Doki Panic, I dunno, I just can't judge it by that.

Anyway, SMB 1, brilliant, SMB 3, fantastic, SM World (my favorite Mario game), SM 64, brilliant. Sunshine, just okay.

Still, just okay compared to the rest is still not "bad"...Yeah..

Also, I haven't played Galaxy more than 3 minutes in a demo at a gaming store, so I can't judge that one unfortunately.

Angrist

02-19-2009, 05:47 AM

The Spinto Band doesn't even have enough money to buy a Wii with SMG. :(

ZebraRampage

02-19-2009, 08:49 PM

SM World (my favorite Mario game)

Super Mario World had some awesome levels and puzzles. I also loved the names of some of the levels. The Star world area was cool too. Top Secret Area!!

TheSlyMoogle

02-20-2009, 02:09 AM

Ok so...

Stop hating on SMB2. That game was so much fun when I was a kid. I still enjoy it.

Mario 64 was just freaking amazing.

After that I would say it's all gone downhill.

I really didn't enjoy galaxy or sunshine.

I mean galaxy just made me feel ill for a lot of the game, and the other part felt like I was playing a prettier M64.

What can I say?

Angrist

02-20-2009, 04:04 AM

You can start by saying why SMG made you feel ill.

KillerGremlin

02-21-2009, 04:07 PM

Super Mario 64 was the height of innovation for Mario post-2D.

Bad Mario game is bad phrasing. I mean, it is Nintendo's flagship character. They don't slack when they crap out a Mario title.

That said, I replayed Sunshine several months ago and it was pretty damn fun. The graphics are especially awesome. I think the game got bad reviews largely because people compared it to the P-E-R-F-E-C-T Mario 64. Oh...and it was not set in the Mushroom Kingdom.

Bube

02-21-2009, 04:25 PM

I just want to say that I loved Mario is Missing.

TheSlyMoogle

02-23-2009, 02:19 AM

You can start by saying why SMG made you feel ill.

The camera angles and changes during most of the gravity portions of the game actually gave me motion sickness. Which is a first for a game by the way. I don't even get car sick, even while reading/playing DS.

Angrist

02-25-2009, 04:19 AM

Hm that's weird.
I got really really sick when I played Turok for too long. I guess it had a very low framerate. Oh and Half Life 2 on my old PC. Somehow the game chose for a high-res + low-fps. :(

mickydaniels

02-25-2009, 07:52 AM

is there a bad mario game? maybe not.
but new super mario bros. on ds is pretty close. (haven't played galaxy)

Bube

02-25-2009, 09:48 AM

is there a bad mario game? maybe not.
but new super mario bros. on ds is pretty close. (haven't played galaxy)
You have to be joking? NSMB was great!