Metal Gear Solid on Xbox!

[Bond]

http://xbox.ign.com/articles/358/358939p1.html


As part of its most recent financial report, Konami of Japan revealed that the next MGS game will be entitled Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance, and be developed for PlayStation 2, Xbox, and PC. The release includes specific news of major new titles, including "a second and third original title to follow on our Metal Gear Solid series," and "new original titles" bearing the Z.O.E brand.
Titles derived from the Metal Gear Solid series are to be released for multiple platforms, although the report seems to distinguish between "sequels" and "derivative titles." New sequels in the series are to be released every two years. Meanwhile, new games in the Zone of Enders franchise are being developed with worldwide release expressly in mind.

Aside from those major announcements, the release indicates plans to continue Konami JPN's successful exploitation of character-based franchises, including Konami's own Yu-Gi-Oh franchise and anime licenses such as Hikaru no Go and Tennis no Oji-sama, to produce titles for Gamecube, PlayStation, and Game Boy Advance. Altogether, the company plans to release 49 titles in the fiscal year ending March 2003.

Look forward to further news on Konami JPN's future plans, particularly new Metal Gear Solid and Z.O.E games, at the upcoming Electronic Entertainment Expo.

I guess Metal Gear will stay PS2 exclusive no longer...

There also is spoused to be some announcement of Metal Gear: Sons of Liberty coming to the Xbox at E3.

[TheGame]

http://www.funxbox.com/filters/control/news/fullnews.php?id=99

In its latest financial statement, Konami of Japan today revealed that plans for a new Metal Gear Solid adventure currently scheduled for release on Xbox™, PC, and the Playstation®2. The new title, entitled Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance is said to incorporate "a second and third original title to follow on our Metal Gear Solid series," along with other titles under the Zone of the Enders brand.

Oddly enough, the game will still use the number 2 in its title, despite the fact that Metal Gear Solid 2 was already released under the sub-heading: "Sons of Liberty" for the Playstation®2 last Novemeber. Although it is unclear at this time exactly what these title(s) will entail, Konami has mentioned both "derivative" titles AND original content.

It is also unclear at this time who will work on this game, with the series' creator Hideo Kojima, at the conclusion of production of MGS2, stating that MGS2 was definitely his last MGS. Zone of the Enders, a new Konami series that also debuted on the Playstation®2 last year, is also reported to have a number of sequels/derivative games in development at this time.

The news brings excitement to a fever-pitch for Xbox fans, who have long-awaited news of this sort since the original confirmation of Metal Gear Solid 2 over a year ago. Konami now plans to release over 49 games in the 2003 fiscal year. Look for more breaking news from this year's Electronic Entertainment Expo later this month.

Coming out, just as predicted... the only thing is, it's not exclusive.... well, it's exlusively NOT on gamecube, but other than that, it's not exlusive :p

[Bond]

Well, Justin and I posted this at the exact same time.

So here is the first merged topic of the Xbox forum, looks quite interesting.

[Jin]

I wonder why it's not going to be made for the GC... ::shrugs::

[Perfect Stu]

Originally posted by Jin
I wonder why it's not going to be made for the GC... ::shrugs::

because mature games don't sell well on Nintendo systems...

:-o

[Bond]

Originally posted by Perfect Stu


because mature games don't sell well on Nintendo systems...

:-o
That is a fact. Look at CBFD.

[Jin]

Originally posted by Bond

That is a fact. Look at CBFD.

I don't doubt that it's a fact, but CBFD is a bad example. That game came at the end of the N64s life. If it had come 2 years earlier the sales would have been much better.

[Bond]

Originally posted by Jin


I don't doubt that it's a fact, but CBFD is a bad example. That game came at the end of the N64s life. If it had come 2 years earlier the sales would have been much better.
Well yes, but it's one of the few mature games for the Nintendo 64, so it's one of the few examples that was can use. Obviously CBFD didn't sell all that great.

Although to be fair I do believe Perfect Dark sold well. That was a Mature game right?

[DeathsHand]

Actually I'm pretty sure PD didn't sell very good either... Just not as bad as conker... which was actually considered a flop...

Edit: Nevermind I checked it sold well

[Notorious_1]

Originally posted by Bond

Well yes, but it's one of the few mature games for the Nintendo 64, so it's one of the few examples that was can use. Obviously CBFD didn't sell all that great.

Although to be fair I do believe Perfect Dark sold well. That was a Mature game right? Yes, Perfect Dark sold well (it was rated "M" for blood, and gore althought there was swearing in the game too). Not as well as GoldenEye, but it sold over one million. It's not that Mature titles don't sell well on Nintendo systems, it's just that there weren't/aren't that many AAA "M" titles on Nintendo systems. Conker was great, but as was said, it came out too late in the N64's life. Turok (the first one) sold well when it came out early in the N64's life cycle. Let's see how RE and ED do. Until then, stop the fanboyism please...

[Bond]

Originally posted by Notorious_1
Yes, Perfect Dark sold well (it was rated "M" for blood, and gore althought there was swearing in the game too). Not as well as GoldenEye, but it sold over one million. It's not that Mature titles don't sell well on Nintendo systems, it's just that there weren't/aren't that many AAA "M" titles on Nintendo systems. Conker was great, but as was said, it came out too late in the N64's life. Turok (the first one) sold well when it came out early in the N64's life cycle. Let's see how RE and ED do. Until then, stop the fanboyism please...
Oh yes, I am obviously the biggest fanboy here at Game Tavern. Wow, I'm so happy no one else has noticed.

Here we go:
If I had no hope I'd be at home playing my Nintendo. I wouldn't be playing a system made by Sony, Sega, or Microsoft, for if I was, I WOULD have hope...hope of finding a better system!

Anyway, I included an Nintendo 64 'M' rated videogame that did sell well and one that didn't, I'm sure there are more, but I don't have time to search for all of them.

[Notorious_1]

I didn't say that. Just this comment "That is a fact. Look at CBFD." shows that A) you're a fanboy that doesn't know what a fact is B) you're a fanboy that's just having fun C) I take things too seriously.

So what is it, A, B, or C?

*I'm guessing you're going to say C*

Ah, you noticed my sig.

I just find it funny that a thread saying how MGS was coming to Xbox turned into how "M" games don't sell well on Nintendo systems. Sure, I know the question was asked why MGS wasn't coming to GC, but again saying "That is a fact. Look at CBFD." holds no truth. You don't see me turing threads in the GC forum into Xbox "bashes."

[Bond]

Originally posted by Notorious_1
I didn't say that. Just this comment "That is a fact. Look at CBFD." shows that A) you're a fanboy that doesn't know what a fact is B) you're a fanboy that's just having fun C) I take things too seriously.

So what is it, A, B, or C?

*I'm guessing you're going to say C*
CBFD did not sell well, that is a fact. As DH added: "... Just not as bad as conker... which was actually considered a flop..." Now I'm not sure if it was considered a flop or not, but I know for a fact that the title did not sell well.

Now from the games I have seen that are rated 'M' on the Nintendo 64 console they have not sold well. That is also a fact.

If we could please get back onto the main topic of this thread, which was the new Metal Gear Solid game coming to the PS2 and Xbox that would be greatly appreciated.

EDIT: I wouldn't bash the GameCube. I own a GameCube, so then I would be bashing an item I own that I spent 200 dollars on. That wouldn't be the smartest move.

[Notorious_1]

Originally posted by Bond

CBFD did not sell well, that is a fact. As DH added: "... Just not as bad as conker... which was actually considered a flop..." Now I'm not sure if it was considered a flop or not, but I know for a fact that the title did not sell well.

You were refering to "M" games on Nintendo systems in general not selling well as a fact, not just Conker. Conker actually sold well in the first month. I don't remember what issue of EGM it was in, but on the top monthly sales chart, it came in at number 10. After that, it just disappeared. As for it being a flop....it's hard to say. Initially no, in the long run yes.

Now from the games I have seen that are rated 'M' on the Nintendo 64 console they have not sold well. That is also a factYes because like I said, there weren't many AAA "M" titles on N64. Perfect Dark was, and like I said, it sold over one million. That's a fact. And remember, Nintendo didn't advertise Conker well. Sure they had commercials on at late night and ads in Maxim, but does a cute looking squirrel appeal to adults? At heart, Conker was supposed to be a kids game, but by just adding blood, gore, crude language and sexual innuendos, it didn't mean it would appeal to adults, or people over 18. Potty humor is great for elementary school kids and immature people, but not for most adults. I throughly enjoyed the game however.


If we could please get back onto the main topic of this thread, which was the new Metal Gear Solid game coming to the PS2 and Xbox that would be greatly appreciated.Did you read this... "I just find it funny that a thread saying how MGS was coming to Xbox turned into how "M" games don't sell well on Nintendo systems. Sure, I know the question was asked why MGS wasn't coming to GC, but again saying "That is a fact. Look at CBFD." holds no truth. You don't see me turing threads in the GC forum into Xbox "bashes.""?

EDIT: I wouldn't bash the GameCube. I own a GameCube, so then I would be bashing an item I own that I spent 200 dollars on. That wouldn't be the smartest move. Where did bashing GC come in, we're talking about N64 and "M" titles on N64.

[DeathsHand]

http://ign64.ign.com/articles/093/093211p1.html

"Sources close to Nintendo have told IGN64 that Rare's M-rated 3D platformer Conker's Bad Fur Day has sold impressively under expectations. The game, which released on March 5, debuted with slightly more than 23,000 units sold -- a laughable unveiling by Nintendo standards -- and quickly dropped off the list. The game's next week saw sales of an additional 13,000 units, with that figure steadily decreasing. In total, BFD has generated sales of less than 55,000, according to company insiders. Worst of all, given the stagnant state of the Nintendo 64 market, Conker's popularity isn't likely to incur a sudden jump."

Just thought I'd post that :D

And also just to add to it (it was in a different story and I don't feel like finding it again), it said that Perfect Dark sold 250,000 in it's first week... and they compared that to Goldeneye which sold 200,000 it's first week... yep...

But anyways... here's the way I see it...

you can't be sure that conker would have sold much better than if it was released earlier (I mean it would have sold better, yes most likely, but like I mean a LOT better)... Buuut conker is still a bad example since yes it was released when N64 was like... dead or... just about dead... So yes we should wait and see how RE and ED do, although those might sell MORE than usual since they're like one of the very few highly anticipated games coming out on NGC anytime soon :D

[Jin]

Originally posted by Notorious_1
It's not that Mature titles don't sell well on Nintendo systems, it's just that there weren't/aren't that many AAA "M" titles on Nintendo systems.

I agree with you on this one. The Nintendo 64 had almost no AAA titles. Here's a list of all the Mature(By ESRB) games on the Nintendo 64...(AAA titles in bold)

Bio F.R.E.A.K.S. May, 1998
Carmageddon 64 Jul, 2000
Chef's Luv Shack Dec, 1999
Daikatana 64 Nov, 2000
Doom 64 Apr, 1997
Duke Nukem 64 Nov, 1997
Duke Nukem: Zero Hour Aug 01, 1999
ECW Hardcore Revolution Feb, 2000
Forsaken 64 May, 1998
Hexen Jun 01, 1997
Mace: The Dark Age Oct, 1997
Mortal Kombat 4 Jun, 1998
Mortal Kombat Trilogy Nov, 1996
Nightmare Creatures Nov, 1998
Perfect Dark (N64) May 01, 2000
Quake 64 Mar 01, 1998
Quake II Jun 01, 1999
Resident Evil 2 (N64) Nov 01, 1999
Shadow Man Aug 01, 1999
South Park Dec 01, 1998
South Park Rally Feb 01, 2000
South Park: Chef's Luv Shack Dec 01, 1999
Turok 2: Seeds of Evil (N64) Dec 01, 1998
Turok 3: Shadow of Oblivion Aug 01, 2000
Turok: Dinosaur Hunter Feb 01, 1997
Turok: Rage Wars (N64) Nov 01, 1999
War Gods May 01, 1997

The reason for this was because of the decision to use cartridges. After a year or two, all the people that like mature titles had to buy a PSX to play mature games. The majority of those people bought a PS2 instead of a GC. So the GC has a smaller user base of people that like mature games. So what Bond said, was infact, a fact.:p The only thing he said that was debatable was when he used CBFD as an example, because it was released at the end of the N64's life. I can understand why he used it though, because it was a good example of a mature game that sold badly, but because of it's release date it doesn't really prove the point that mature games sell badly on Nintendo consoles.

[Bond]

You were refering to "M" games on Nintendo systems in general not selling well as a fact, not just Conker. Conker actually sold well in the first month. I don't remember what issue of EGM it was in, but on the top monthly sales chart, it came in at number 10. After that, it just disappeared. As for it being a flop....it's hard to say. Initially no, in the long run yes.
Thank you for reading my mind, your are quite right. I was referring to Nintendo 64 'M' rated videogames in general that I know of. Overall I think the fact remains CBFD didn't sell very well.

Yes because like I said, there weren't many AAA "M" titles on N64. Perfect Dark was, and like I said, it sold over one million. That's a fact. And remember, Nintendo didn't advertise Conker well. Sure they had commercials on at late night and ads in Maxim, but does a cute looking squirrel appeal to adults? At heart, Conker was supposed to be a kids game, but by just adding blood, gore, crude language and sexual innuendos, it didn't mean it would appeal to adults, or people over 18. Potty humor is great for elementary school kids and immature people, but not for most adults. I throughly enjoyed the game however.
Well, I'm very sorry Nintendo didn't market CBFD well, but I guess it's partly their own fault. Pefect Dark was a great game and sold well. I am in total agreement with that, I brought it up in the first place.

Did you read this... "I just find it funny that a thread saying how MGS was coming to Xbox turned into how "M" games don't sell well on Nintendo systems. Sure, I know the question was asked why MGS wasn't coming to GC, but again saying "That is a fact. Look at CBFD." holds no truth. You don't see me turing threads in the GC forum into Xbox "bashes.""?
You edited your post after I made my reply. So yes, I read that comment after I posted my reply saying basically the same thing.

Where did bashing GC come in, we're talking about N64 and "M" titles on N64.

Right here: "You don't see me turing threads in the GC forum into Xbox "bashes."

Simply put you must dissect a few worded post and make it into fanboy bashing. I believe there are plenty more paragraph long posts you could have some fun with....

[Notorious_1]

Originally posted by Bond

Right here: "You don't see me turing threads in the GC forum into Xbox "bashes."

Simply put you must dissect a few worded post and make it into fanboy bashing. I believe there are plenty more paragraph long posts you could have some fun with.... How does this refer to you bashing GC? I was referring to the posts in general in this thread....so I guess that includes you:p

BTW, I agree that Conker didn't sell very well. But the people I know who bought the game talk highly of it...

[Bond]

Originally posted by Notorious_1
How does this refer to you bashing GC? I was referring to the posts in general in this thread....so I guess that includes you:p

BTW, I agree that Conker didn't sell very well. But the people I know who bought the game talk highly of it...
Here again:
"I just find it funny that a thread saying how MGS was coming to Xbox turned into how "M" games don't sell well on Nintendo systems. Sure, I know the question was asked why MGS wasn't coming to GC, but again saying "That is a fact. Look at CBFD." holds no truth. You don't see me turing threads in the GC forum into Xbox "bashes"

And your right Not, I'm the biggest fanboy at GT, hell maybe even on the whole internet. I bash all consoles, and put my biased opinions everywhere. I hardly ever make fair comparisons and I am never open to other opinions.

I just hope no one else realizes this.

Note on the text: If you were referring to EVERYONE that posted in this thread then that would include EVERYONE. Including 4 moderators and 2 members.

[Notorious_1]

Originally posted by Bond

Here again:
"I just find it funny that a thread saying how MGS was coming to Xbox turned into how "M" games don't sell well on Nintendo systems. Sure, I know the question was asked why MGS wasn't coming to GC, but again saying "That is a fact. Look at CBFD." holds no truth. You don't see me turing threads in the GC forum into Xbox "bashes"I didn't ask the question why MGS wasn't coming to GC. So why did you bold that? And notice I put bashes in "quotes". Meaning not really bashes, but making fun of another system/company. Take it as you will, but I never accused you of bashing GC.

And your right Not, I'm the biggest fanboy at GT, hell maybe even on the whole internet. I bash all consoles, and put my biased opinions everywhere. I hardly ever make fair comparisons and I am never open to other opinions.

I just hope no one else realizes this.Do you have a problem or something? Calm down. I hope you're not a mod (EDIT: so, you are a mod...), cause you're acting like a child.

Note on the text: If you were referring to EVERYONE that posted in this thread then that would include EVERYONE. Including 4 moderators and 2 members. Not everyone. And so what if it includes 4 mods and 2 members.

[Bond]

I didn't ask the question why MGS wasn't coming to GC. So why did you bold that? And notice I put bashes in "quotes". Meaning not really bashes, but making fun of another system/company. Take it as you will, but I never accused you of bashing GC.
I never said that you accused me of bashing the GC. In any case as you said the word 'bashing' has several different meanings to several different people.

Do you have a problem or something? Calm down. I hope you're not a mod (EDIT: so, you are a mod...), cause you're acting like a child.
I think you think my acting like a child is actually my humor.

Not everyone. And so what if it includes 4 mods and 2 members.
'In general' normally includes everyone. And if you failed to see the point there... six people have replied to this thread.

And now once again I ask we get back to the main topic of this thread, a new MGS game being announced for the Playstation 2 and Xbox consoles.

[Notorious_1]

Originally posted by Bond
I never said that you accused me of bashing the GC. In any case as you said the word 'bashing' has several different meanings to several different people.
Understood

I think you think my acting like a child is actually my humor. Mods should know better...


'In general' normally includes everyone. And if you failed to see the point there... six people have replied to this thread.And of the few people that replied, Nintendo has already been "bashed", "made fun of", "put-down," whatever you want to call it.

And now once again I ask we get back to the main topic of this thread, a new MGS game being announced for the Playstation 2 and Xbox consoles. I can't wait to see what this game looks like on Xbox. The PS2 version looked fantastic, so the XB version should look even better:D. I do wish this game was coming to GC, even though I didn't really like MGS2. It would certainly help sales. Maybe it will help XB sales and help the system outside of North America. But since it's not exclusive, it probably won't have a big as impact as anticipated.

[Bond]

Thanks to the information from Jin, I am finding out how ever single 'M' rated videogame on the Nintendo 64 has sold:

Bio F.R.E.A.K.S. May, 1998 - No information available.
Carmageddon 64 Jul, 2000 - No information avilable, recieved 1's and 0's for a review from most online websites.
Chef's Luv Shack Dec, 1999 - No information on this game found anywhere.
Daikatana 64 Nov, 2000 - http://ign64.ign.com/articles/082/082933p1.html The game was only released for renting.
CBFD - http://ign64.ign.com/articles/093/093211p1.html Declared by Nintendo a 'flop.' Sold 13,000 units on the week after it was released.
Pefect Dark: Was the second best selling game of May 2000 and has sold over 1 million copies.
Doom 64: Game sales were below average to poor. The game upset several hardcore Doom fans.

I'll add on to this list when I get the time.

[Notorious_1]

And what are you trying to prove, that "M" games don't sell well on Nintendo systems? Cause if you are, please remember that there were very few AAA (only PD and RE come to mind) "M" titles on N64. Otherwise, don't waste your time.

[Bond]

Originally posted by Notorious_1
And what are you trying to prove, that "M" games don't sell well on Nintendo systems? Cause if you are, please remember that there were very few AAA (only PD and RE come to mind) "M" titles on N64. Otherwise, don't waste your time.
It's not my fault there were not many AAA games on the N64. You said that it's not a fact 'M' rated games in general didn't sell well on the Nintendo 64. I've decided to find out for myself the facts. So far what I have found is a few great selling games and many average to poor selling games. But I guess we'll see when I've gone through the list.

Now if you didn't exactly mean that I would understand when I've finished the list.

[Notorious_1]

Alright, go ahead. Your findings will most likely stay that way. But you can't blame average "M" games on N64 for not selling well and proclaim that's it's because "M" games don't sell well on Nintendo systems. That's like expecting Kabuki Warriors to sell a million.

[gekko]

Originally posted by Perfect Stu


because mature games don't sell well on Nintendo systems...

:-o

You're comparing two different systems. They may not sell well on N64, but you're looking at a totally different group of users for GameCube. some N64 owners buy one, some non-N64 owners buy one.

N64 wasn't the best system for Nintendo. Some die-hard Nintendo fans have opted to buy other systems. Some PlayStation and Xbox fans have been impressed by Gamecube and bought one. Either way, saying mature games won't sell on Gamecube is just a mere opinion, with no factual basis to back it up.

As for mature games not selling well on N64, don't blame the users. I wouldn't buy half the **** they put on that system. Can you honestly tell me N64 had a chance to sell mature games? Look at the top sellers on PSX, they were good games! RE, Dino Crisis, MGS, Blood Omen, Soul Reaver, etc. Then look at N64, it had a couple, but it never got the good titles that PSX had, so do you really expect titles to sell?

Nobody buys a game because it's rated M. They buy games because they appeal to them, because they're good games. PSX had the good mature games, N64 only had a few. If MGS was on N64, it would've sold like crazy. It didn't sell because PSX owners like mature games, it sold because the game kicked ass! GoldenEye kicked ass, and it sold like crazy. Get my point?

N64 had very few mature games that were any good, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why they didn't sell. N64 didn't get a lot of the games because they used carts, and that means they didn't get a lot of the good mature games.

[Notorious_1]

Try telling that to Bond...:p ;)

[Bond]

Oh ok, I see where you guys are coming from now...

If I want to compare how Mature rated games sold on the Nintendo systems, then I would only use systems that's lifecycle is over. It would be impossible to use the GameCube because you don't know how many Mature games will be released and how they will sell. But with the Nintendo 64 we already know which have been released and how most of them have sold.

We also know most of the Mature rated videogames on the Nintendo 64 were not that great, minus a few great/good games. But the point I'm trying to make is that Mature games as a whole didn't sell well on the Nintendo 64. Now you can through in that most of them were average to bad, which would create bad sales. Or that because of the carts many developers didn't want to develop for the Nintendo 64, whatever. So once I am done finding the sales for the games Jin listed, I will add that in for you.

That's what I got from gekko's reply, say more if you feel like it.

[Professor S]

No, no one needs to say anymore... at all... SHUT THE F**K UP!!!

ALL OF YOU!!!

This thread USED to be about MGS coming to the XBox, but instead one little innocent comment at the beginning of this post has been perverted into a giant "Is Nintendo kiddy?" argument. I stoppeed reading all your assinine posts half way into the first page.

This is all either of you need to know to end this:

Nintendo markets mainly to kids

MS and Sony market mainly to teens and adults

Will Nintendo have Mature games? Yes

Will MS and Sony have a couple games for the younger demographic? Yes

But IN GENERAL, this is and will be the pattern. There are too many quotes from developers, publishers and even Nintendo employees to post here to back this up.

Argument OVER.