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Renwood
06-16-2008, 01:02 PM
I completed Metal Gear Solid 4 early Saturday morning. As an experience, it was amazing. The gameplay, especially in Act 2, felt like great progress for the series while still retaining the core of what makes Metal Gear Metal Gear.

What I was less captivated by was the actual story. Presentation was good, and the voice acting, while still not as good as 1 or 2 (I feel the series has gone down a bit with each passing game in this area), is still better than the majority of games. I think a part of the problem is how the dialogue and script are structured. Its always been stilted with these interludes of character monologues of the atrocities of war and nuclear weapons, and full of corny unrealistic dialogue, but, for me, it has never been as awkward as it can become in this game.

Maybe its the localization, but characters seem to explain out everything multiple times. Lines like "your father" are immediately followed with "...Big Boss," as if beat the player over the head about what precisely is being discussed.

The bosses continue their backstory decline from 3, and this again can be partly attributed to a lack of good explanation via the story structure. You are given little to no context when actually fighting bosses. Only after they are beaten do you receive the standard MGS boss sob story on why they are so damn evil. The problem is that in MGS1 and 2, this backstory was partially revealed or at least touched on before you fought the bosses, and then, those bosses themselves gave the final word as they lay dying. In MGS4, you get all the info from a third party, and it just makes these characters' already detached stories feel all the more irrelevant in the scheme of things.

The answers... Metal Gear Solid 4 does answer nearly everything in some manner. It makes Metal Gear Solid 3 an even more essential piece of the storyline, and leaves little unvoiced. The problem here is that the answers just aren't always that good or convincing. If you turn your brain off a bit to what the series has shown thus far, it can work, but some of the revelations are a bitter pill to swallow, and really draw into questions the way a lot of previous events played out, especially in MGS2.

In fact, these revelations almost feel like they necessitate a prequel of their own, between MGS3 and the MGS1 (not Portable Ops!) to truly flesh out what is described as a pretty titanic moment in the MGS universe.

I look at what I've written and know how negative a lot of it sounds, and thats disappointing to me, because I don't think it truly frames my idea of the game. Simply as an experience, the game is amazing. The climactic ending gameplay segments of Act 5, the entirety of Act 4, and scenes throughout Acts 1 through 3 are what made me enjoy myself so much in spite of my complaints, and that enjoyment was so high as to almost negate all the problems. I've restarted the game, and free of the overhanging plot, the game feels all the more open for the parts I enjoyed.

I feel like Jeremy Perish from 1UP has come closest to my feelings about the game in that respect: Acts 1 through 3 walk that good line between gameplay moments and cutscenes. And I want to replay them a lot. But Act 4 and, especially, Act 5 skew harshly in the direction of the cutscenes, and I don't know how many times I really want to skip through those portions.

Overall, fantastic game.

Oh, and I killed some boars in WoW, lol.

Fox 6
06-16-2008, 02:58 PM
Is anyone living inside an arm or leg or any other appandage? ;)

Renwood
06-16-2008, 03:00 PM
No. Unfortunately, that would make more sense than the actual explanation, within the context of what has transpired.

Fox 6
06-16-2008, 03:16 PM
No. Unfortunately, that would make more sense than the actual explanation, within the context of what has transpired.

http://photos-e.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-snc1/v274/116/88/629940525/n629940525_3229220_6948.jpg


Better?

birdman
06-16-2008, 04:55 PM
MSPaint fail. Spelled codec wrong.

Fox 6
06-16-2008, 05:21 PM
MSPaint fail. Spelled codec wrong.

Youre right, but i spelled codex right. point me. fail goes to you.

birdman
06-16-2008, 05:37 PM
Codex makes no sense in the Metal Gear context. Ball in your court.

Fox 6
06-16-2008, 05:39 PM
OBV....


Thats the MSG 4 TOTAL RECALL universe. Slam dunked in your hoop.

birdman
06-16-2008, 05:50 PM
OBV....


Thats the MSG 4 TOTAL RECALL universe. Slam dunked in your hoop.

Paint job then fails for not using required picture of 3-boobed chick when implementing Total Recall.

Renwood
06-16-2008, 05:53 PM
I'll see your Total Recall and raise you

http://brodeo.us/images/saladsneak.jpg
Salad Sneak

Fox 6
06-16-2008, 05:56 PM
Paint job then fails for not using required picture of 3-boobed chick when implementing Total Recall.

But the context of the whole quote and the point of the hwolepicture was about a guy living inside a body part or appendage.

birdman
06-16-2008, 06:00 PM
But the context of the whole quote and the point of the hwolepicture was about a guy living inside a body part or appendage.

And my point was using Metal Gear plot twisting to negate and confuse your argument. :P

Fox 6
06-16-2008, 06:02 PM
And my point was using Metal Gear plot twisting to negate and confuse your argument. :P

Just accept it that you cant created anythign in 2 and a half minutes that is as good as that, shut up or put up ;) :p

Renwood
06-16-2008, 06:03 PM
edit: also annoying

Fox 6
06-16-2008, 06:05 PM
Was i quoting you? theres no dressig on that salad. At least some vinagerette or soemthing, jeez.

Renwood
06-16-2008, 06:07 PM
edit: annoying

birdman
06-16-2008, 06:09 PM
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b124/bigmax51/metalgear.png

Renwood
06-16-2008, 06:10 PM
needs a surveillance camera

Fox 6
06-16-2008, 06:11 PM
And to be good

birdman
06-16-2008, 06:12 PM
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b124/bigmax51/metalgear2.png

Renwood
06-16-2008, 06:15 PM
And to be good
you've kind of turned into bitch whats up with that you seem to hate life all of a sudden man is everything ok

birdman
06-16-2008, 06:16 PM
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b124/bigmax51/oldsnake.png

Renwood
06-16-2008, 06:17 PM
Old Snake's face is smooth as a baby's bottom. That shit ain't canon.

Fox 6
06-16-2008, 06:17 PM
:lol: Im good. Just a little energized...... dunno weird feeling. Its not drugs if thats what your wondering.... :lol:

Renwood
06-16-2008, 06:18 PM
alright cool beans i am here if you need to talk man i love you

birdman
06-16-2008, 06:21 PM
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b124/bigmax51/oldsnake2.png

Fox 6
06-16-2008, 06:22 PM
*he aint heavy..... hes my brother.*


Cool beans. Seems the jerk storm has passed.

Otacon?

Renwood
06-16-2008, 06:23 PM
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b124/bigmax51/oldsnake2.png

there is no new metal gear for snake to be surprised by in this game jluk god

Aladuf
06-16-2008, 06:26 PM
HAI GUYZ WATS GOING ON IN THIS THREAD?!

birdman
06-16-2008, 06:28 PM
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b124/bigmax51/oldsnake3.png

Renwood
06-16-2008, 06:28 PM
HAI GUYZ WATS GOING ON IN THIS THREAD?!

Way to postwhore. :rollseyes:

Aladuf
06-16-2008, 06:29 PM
sad face

Renwood
06-16-2008, 06:32 PM
hey aladuf do you like my avatar or how about THIS

http://i14.tinypic.com/4vofmmr.gif

Aladuf
06-16-2008, 06:34 PM
Anybody who rocks a Drama avatar is fine by me. I can has one? I couldn't ever find a gif of drama :(

or gimme a new Ari one! :D

Anybody who can find all the seasons of Entourage to download will be a god. I started seasons 1 and 2 again recently but don't have the rest of the series on dvd so I'm dying here.

Renwood
06-16-2008, 06:35 PM
http://i18.tinypic.com/6ayz2bn.gif

Aladuf
06-16-2008, 06:36 PM
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OMG! can you make me a gif of the very end of it where is face is all traumatized looking?!?!?!

Renwood
06-16-2008, 06:37 PM
if buy for you you mean for me then yes I can

Aladuf
06-16-2008, 06:39 PM
what the shit are you talking about?

All I wantz is a gif and seasons of Entourage to dl.

Fox 6
06-16-2008, 06:40 PM
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b124/bigmax51/oldsnake3.png

Make sure liquid is in arm form.

GameMaster
06-16-2008, 07:08 PM
http://i18.tinypic.com/6ayz2bn.gif

Wow, that must be in Season 4 or 5 because I would've remembered seeing that!

Aladuf
06-16-2008, 07:11 PM
It is, it's when Drama and Turtle need some lovin' so Drama calls in a lady-friend who brings along the husky lady that you see here and Turtle went away with Drama's hotter friend.

GOD DAMN I WANT TO FINISH THE SERIES AGAIN!

GM where are you going to dl these shows? iirc you said that's how you were watching them.

GameMaster
06-16-2008, 07:20 PM
Season 1 (http://tinyurl.com/5ukn2s)

Season 2 (http://tinyurl.com/6lreua)

Season 3 (http://tinyurl.com/57onzv)

Season 4 (http://tinyurl.com/64324p)

Last night I watched the episode where Johnny Drama is preparing for his new pilot and he's really nervous. And he finally gives in and takes Turtle's advice by playing 5 fingered tug-of-war with his gonzo and it makes all his anxiety go away. And the first episode of the pilot goes well. But the crew overheard him doing it because his mic with still on when he was yanking it.

Aladuf
06-16-2008, 07:23 PM
the season 3 link isn't working...

and :lolz: @ that episode! that was so awesome!

GameMaster
06-16-2008, 07:26 PM
the season 3 link isn't working...

and :lolz: @ that episode! that was so awesome!

I fixed it.

Aladuf
06-16-2008, 07:29 PM
thanks! :D