MGS4

[BlueFire]

Amazing.


Your thoughts?

[Aladuf]

Will buy it next week! Can't wait!! :D

[Dyne]

Son of a bitch. No launch parties in Canada. SON OF A BITCH.

I don't know if I'll be able to sleep tonight. 10am can't come any sooner. :(

[flunkie44]

GOTY.

..And I haven't even got it yet. Probably won't 'til Friday at the earliest. :(

[Aladuf]

You know, today is like the best day on GT ever.. we have had I think, 4 active PS3 threads today. Keep this shit up guys!

[BlueFire]

Well, once again.. just to remind you all,


incredible. :)

[Dyne]

:(

I wants it.

[Aladuf]

Dyne, what the hell is this creepy transformation from Dr. Mario to all this stuff I'm seeing? :confused:

[flunkie44]

Dyne, what the hell is this creepy transformation from Dr. Mario to all this stuff I'm seeing? :confused:

SRSLY! :grr:

[Dyne]

:lolz: Yeah that was the most BFF picture I've ever seen. I just had to do it.

Plus, <3 willow.

[Aladuf]

:lolz: Alright then!

[flunkie44]

Willow? Meh.

<3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_I_Met_Your_Mother)

[birdman]

Well Dyne, you do have good taste.

[Perfect Stu]

REALLY looking forward to this...I'll pick it up sometime this weekend.

[Pylon_Trooper]

Well, I'll be keeping the dream alive on the PSP end of things with Portable Ops Plus. It's the closest I'll be getting to Old Man Snake for years to come, no doubt.

Here's hope a new Metal Gear Acid comes out, to lay a fresh heap of fan service in the form of cards.

[Dyne]

Oh dear lord yes. I went to the Rogers Video Dylflon works at because it's MUCH more convenient on my drive to work, and it turns out they had the Limited Edition. Woop woop! The only problem was it was $5 more but I didn't have to wait in line or worry about preorders or anything. :D

I can't wait to play this beast.

[Angrist]

And what else does the limited edition have? Or is it just that: no waiting in line?

[uber_paddler]

It's got the game, cover with badass Shinkawa boxart, A 2 hour making-of Blu-Ray, adn the official soundtrack.

[Dyne]

It's got the game, cover with badass Shinkawa boxart, A 2 hour making-of Blu-Ray, adn the official soundtrack.

Yep, it looks so badass.

http://kotaku.com/5015937/metal-gear-solid-4-limited-edition-unboxing

[bobcat]

SPOILER ALERT?

















I installed it (doesn't take that long to do) and was about to begin playing but it was late , and I had work today (it's morn now) so I will wait till the weekend so I can enjoy the game when i'm most relaxed :)

[magus113]

Well, I'll be keeping the dream alive on the PSP end of things with Portable Ops Plus. It's the closest I'll be getting to Old Man Snake for years to come, no doubt.

Here's hope a new Metal Gear Acid comes out, to lay a fresh heap of fan service in the form of cards.

I enjoyed Metal Gear Acid to an extent. I never got to play two.

It's amazing how we have about 5 other people watching me play this game. We go to people's houses and bring my PS3 to just sit and be amazed.

Truly, truly awesome.

[Ninja_KnightxX]

Definitely my top GOTY. MGS4 (my friend has it and i've played the crap out of it) and (call me crazy..) Condemned 2 have given me so much gaming pleasure already this year that it's crazy.


I can really see MGS keeping me busy for a while when I get my hands on a copy.

[flunkie44]

10/10 from IGN!!!

That's HUGE, considering they just handed out the same score a little over a month ago.

Only one of those games deserves the 10, though.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/881/881472p1.html

[Dyne]

Wow! Nice. I can't wait to see how it compares to GTA4. Kojima Productions is the master of detail in games and GTA4 was quite detailed.

[Dyne]

HOLY SHIT

[Aladuf]

After an intense cram session on all things Metal Gear last night with the dvd and internets and today with bird explaining it to me while at lunch I am ready to start it up. Just picked it up from Gamestop and it's installing now!

[The Germanator]

I want to play this so badly, but of course I don't even have a PS3 or a nice TV to even make it worthwhile. I do have that economic stimulus package coming soon, maybe that's where it'll go, haha...Nah, I'm still too poor. Damn you guys, I'm jealous as hell.

[Aladuf]

Add another 10 to the list... Gamespot just gave it one.

http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/launchreview.asp?reviewid=944997

[Perfect Stu]

Holy DAMN...another game scoring 10s from IGN and Gamespot? Not a bad couple months for PS3 gamers. I'm picking up this badboy tomorrow, really excited!

[bobcat]

another 10 wow. Go ps3 :)

I started playing it, looks real real nice :)

[Renwood]

Finished. Good game. I'm not sure I enjoyed how split up the areas were. The diversity felt good, but I loved the first two games for having an interconnected game world that could be, for the most part, traversed and retreaded at will. MGS4 is definitely a tunnel, and I never felt like I truly got to know any of the setting represented. This may be in part because of my anxiousness to get through things quickly to keep the plot flowing.

Story suffered heavily in the way that many conspiracy plots do when they finally attempt to answer all the questions. I'll give it to them: almost everything was wrapped up or explained in some way. The problem is in what those explanations were. Sometimes, it felt very much like a fan-fic with high production values.

On the other side though, MGS4's strength shines through when it hits the player with specific moments, not narrative or plot. When you reach a certain area, and certain audio and visual cues start hitting, it really gets to you. I will not spoil it, but Metal Gear Solid 4, for all the criticism of the series as being interactive movies, is best in ways that only work as a game. And that is a good, good thing.

If I think too much, there are some real concerns. But in the moment, and as an experience, great fun.

New Game+ now.

edit: ty

[Aladuf]

So, I ended up playing a solid 12 straight hours yesterday. Only stopping once for dinner. This game is blowing me away in every way. I love it to death.

I can't wait 'til I get off of work tonight so I can binge on this game some more. :D

[Renwood]

Gameplay is much more fun now that I'm not running through the game to see the story. Experimenting with the Mosin-Nagant Tranq. Sniper Rifle is very fun; you can buy different types of ammo to cause soldiers to cry, laugh, and go insane, along with standard putting them to sleep.

One thing that I've found disappointing when dealing with enemies was the lack of recognition on where the bullets penetrate; yes, headshots register, and you take them down quicker if you don't hit them in the vest armor area, but I miss torturing my holdup victims by slowly crippling each appendage.

Wonder why they took that out.

[Aladuf]

I miss torturing my holdup victims by slowly crippling each appendage.

Wonder why they took that out.

http://gametavern.net/forums/image.php?u=2327&dateline=1213431508

[Renwood]

Fair enough.

I played more today, and will play more again this evening. I have not had this kind of urge to immediately replay a game that has been beaten since Metal Gear Solid 2. It is a strange thing to feel that again, and I think I did not at first expect it. I finished the game yesterday, and by habit, I ejected it from my system and put it in its case, and placed the case back on the shelf. I'm used to this. And once its on the shelf, it doesn't get played again. It sits for a while until it is sold.

But then this morning, I wanted to play it again. Reviewing my criticisms of the game's failings, both those I have posted and those I have simply thought, I am coming to a point where those concerns are marginalized and replaced simply by the desire to play the game more.

It's nice.

[birdman]

I know the feeling. I just really want to play the game again after I'm done. It's that good.

[Aladuf]

Yeah, after working all day I'll be playing starting soon... I'm trying to decide whether or not to just finish Act 3 and eat dinner while watching the cutscene or not... I think I'll just do that actually.

*turns on PS3*

[Renwood]

I know the feeling. I just really want to play the game again after I'm done. It's that good.

Its different having actually completed it though. A couple of games have given me the feeling that hey, I want to do this again, but it doesn't actually happen, or when it does, its weeks or months later. This is so immediate, and its not theory. Its reality. Its what I am doing.

ps if you want to replay it you should be playing it right now GO AWAY

[Typhoid]

This game is freakin' sweet.

[BlueFire]

Finished Act III last night, a couple of comments


- Big Mama = Hillary Clinton

- Motorcycle fight with Big Mama driving = fucking amazing

- Raging Raven = awesome... and hot

this game is so good.

[Aladuf]

Beat it! I clocked in at juuuuuust under 24 hours. The game was fucking amazing. Like I said to bird on the phone before.. great game or greatest game?

[Typhoid]

I havent logged too long in it yet.
I'm still at the very beginning in Act I, just finished fighting the FROGS.
I havent had time to play it the past couple days.

[Renwood]

great game or greatest game?

http://www.gametavern.net/forums/image.php?u=2305&dateline=1213315614 ?

[Aladuf]

In terms of story, characters, and presentation this tears Gears up and pretty much any other game. Gears is still my favorite just because of the sick ass gore and endless fun I get out of it, but MGS4 was just a completely different, amazing experience.

Trust me, I still love and love and love and love the stop n' pop, gory as fuck Gears of War. ;)

[Renwood]

if you liked the story in this you would like MGS3 the most imo

depending on what you liked about it

MGS1 and 2 remain the top tier to me. MGS4 combines the best and worst of 2 and 3 in terms of story.

[bobcat]

half way/nearly finished act 2. I love when the acts start up, sounds like some tribal african noises :)

Raiden kicks ass when he kills those mooing robots.

Oh and I really felt sorry for the laughing octopus lady :(

[BlueFire]

Act IV ... finished it about 30 minutes ago. That was intense.

[GameMaster]

Update: Just learned that Snake has prematurely aged. I repeat, Snake has prematurely aged. This game does not take place several years in the future.

[birdman]

Update: Just learned that Snake has prematurely aged. I repeat, Snake has prematurely aged. This game does not take place several years in the future.

Spoiler much? Also, it's kinda obvious when in the trailer Meryl still looks young.

[bobcat]

I think I'm up to act iv now. Man this game is amazing. Big mama is very very cool.

I haven't felt so passionate about a game since Super Mario Galaxy. This game makes me want to play more and more and more. And just when I Tell myself "ok Rob, get past this point then save" I want to find out more and keep playing. Now that's the sign of a king game :)

[TheGame]

I think I'm up to act iv now. Man this game is amazing. Big mama is very very cool.

I haven't felt so passionate about a game since Super Mario Galaxy. This game makes me want to play more and more and more. And just when I Tell myself "ok Rob, get past this point then save" I want to find out more and keep playing. Now that's the sign of a king game :)

That's basically how I felt too. I beat it over the weekend, basically did it in two sittings (two super long sittings) cause I couldn't get enough. The story, just like most MGS games, just keeps pulling you deeper and deeper in.

As for GM's "spoiler", I've known that fact for over a year now. o.o So I guess it isn't to bad of one. But I hope people here are generally respectful about the plot. I see why reviews left out so many facts, it makes the game a lot more special.

[Ninja_KnightxX]

Awesome.

This epic game almost made me burst into fucking tears when I finished it.


FREAKING AWESOME.

[bobcat]

Just finished Act 4. I wonder how many acts there are.

I love this game!!!! When I bought the ps3, overall the system left a bitter taste in my mouth. The controller, the interface, the packaging. Now that i'm playing MGS4, I'm loving it more than ever.

[bobcat]

ok just finished it in 20 hours.

What a rollercoaster. Tears rolled down my eyes at certain stages. This game is definitely one of a kind in terms of it's presentation and cinematics/storyline. Gameplay.........nothing majorily fresh, but it doesn't matter, still disagree with the 10's given by IGN, but god damn i loved it. 9.7/10 for me

[Renwood]

really

you can quantify your experience down to decimal points?

yikes

[TheGame]

I don't know.. I think it was worthy of a 10 personally. Its kinda like the end of an era, this game wrapped up a series that keps reinvententing itself and kept getting 9.7-9.9 scores. IN the whole action game world, its rare to find a series that lasted two decades and that's still one of the most quality games of its time.

I think the MGS franchise is the most memorable gaming experience I will ever have all around. I mean, there's two guys in this thread admitting the game made them cry. (this guy isn't admitting shit, but you can! :D) It just goes to show how masterful it is.

I guess the knock could be the gameplay in itself (or lack thereof it), but I think it was very polished. I'm the type that prefers to keep it classic and sneak, so I probably had to face a lot more of the environmental elements.. For one part I did do the whole run and gun thing and was shocked at how easy it was.

I dunno though. I think this is one of those games that I'll look back at, and will say is one of the big reasons I love video games. A story lke that couldn't be done justice in a theatre or in a book.

[Perfect Stu]

Well good news from Japan, the game is really selling.

In its first 4 days, the numbers look like this (all versions of the game included)

476,334 units sold
77,208 PS3s sold

This makes it the highest selling PS3 game in Japan to date already...and I'm guessing worldwide sales of MGS4 will be in the 1.2-1.5 million range so far.

http://www.famitsu.com/game/news/1215919_1124.html

[Dyne]

That's really impressive for Japan. This game definitely deserves the attention.

I wonder how many Japanese are actually playing with 1080p and surround? The surround is FANTASTIC and there needs to be more 1080p games on the PS3 like this.

[Aladuf]

The surround is FANTASTIC and there needs to be more 1080p games on the PS3 like this.

I know! This games surround sound it incredible, it's the first thing I noticed when starting the game up last week.

[BlueFire]

Finally finished the game. Incredible...

The commentary in the game is amazing, too.

[bobcat]

That's really impressive for Japan. This game definitely deserves the attention.

I wonder how many Japanese are actually playing with 1080p and surround? The surround is FANTASTIC and there needs to be more 1080p games on the PS3 like this.

I have it on 720p. Is 720p better than 1080i? It still looks damn good on 720p tho :)

[mickydaniels]

An old adage of games used to be that graphics don't make the game. Here, I have to say that cutscenes do not make a game. They appear frequently and take up so much time that they often kill any momentum that I started to get while playing it.

Massively overrated and part of a very disturbing trend that I'm starting to see in these big-budget, overhyped games being praised to the heavens by critics; I really am starting to suspect some form of payola is going on.

[bobcat]

An old adage of games used to be that graphics don't make the game. Here, I have to say that cutscenes do not make a game. They appear frequently and take up so much time that they often kill any momentum that I started to get while playing it.

Massively overrated and part of a very disturbing trend that I'm starting to see in these big-budget, overhyped games being praised to the heavens by critics; I really am starting to suspect some form of payola is going on.

I was completely the opposite. The cut scenes drew me more into the game. I would actually play the game and look forward to the cutscenes appearing (and of course loved playing the game too). There's nothing like it out there in the market and that's what I love about it.

I'd tell myself I would stop playing once I past a certain point, but I had no self control as to how much I was playing the game.

The game is hyped, but the highlight of the game is that it raises the bar again for gaming in general, just like Super Mario Galaxy did, just like GTAIV did (hmm......IMO this didn't raise it that much higher, but you know).

[Vampyr]

An old adage of games used to be that graphics don't make the game. Here, I have to say that cutscenes do not make a game. They appear frequently and take up so much time that they often kill any momentum that I started to get while playing it.

Massively overrated and part of a very disturbing trend that I'm starting to see in these big-budget, overhyped games being praised to the heavens by critics; I really am starting to suspect some form of payola is going on.

That might have made sense if all the gamers here didn't love it too, and I'm suspect to believe they aren't on any kind of payroll to say they enjoyed the game.

Sometimes long cut scenes are nice. I played, beat, and enjoyed Xenosaga immensely, it had some very very long cut scenes. If the story is good enough, I don't mind at all. As long as they give you a pause button.

[mickydaniels]

I don't know about Xenosaga implements cutscenes, but I can't imagine that it could be like this. The end of Act 1 came out of nowhere. The last act perhaps the worst. You beat a boss and got such a potentially great item, and you have no one else to use it on. The scene before the last boss fight was a major offender to me as I sat there and watch and said to myself, "It really ends like this? Am I really just going to sit here and watch it?":mad:

And that, to me, is a major problem. Cutscenes should be advancing the story. They should not be where most of the action is taking place. In a game, the action should actually be in your hands.

[Angrist]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's mickydaniels!!

Welcome back! Why the glorious return? :D

[TheGame]

You sound like you didn't know what to expect from the game. Metal gear solid 1-3 were all full with long cutscenes too. As kojima said, this game is for fans of metal gear. MGS is supposed to be a story that can only be told in the game format. The thing is... the gameplay is also very good. Its not like they tossed some crappy gameplay system in between the long cutscenes *coughrpgscough*.

But everyone's entitled to their opinions. I'll be the first to admit that you're right, compared to the average game, this one does have a lot of cutscenes, and its not as gameplay focused as your average 10 game usually is.

But I'll also say that the gameplay itself is very polished in its own respect, and I didn't buy MGS4 for the gameplay, I bought it for the cutscenes. I bought it because I wanted to advance the stories of the past games that were so open ended.

You probably thought of it as "Damn, another cutscene getting in the way of the gameplay." while I thought of it as "Damn, another gameplay part I have to fight through to earn my cutscene." If I wanted a game just to run and gun, and not to care about its generic story line.. I'd play a Halo 3 or GTA4.

[mickydaniels]

You sound like you didn't know what to expect from the game. Metal gear solid 1-3 were all full with long cutscenes too. As kojima said, this game is for fans of metal gear. MGS is supposed to be a story that can only be told in the game format. The thing is... the gameplay is also very good. Its not like they tossed some crappy gameplay system in between the long cutscenes *coughrpgscough*.

But everyone's entitled to their opinions. I'll be the first to admit that you're right, compared to the average game, this one does have a lot of cutscenes, and its not as gameplay focused as your average 10 game usually is.

But I'll also say that the gameplay itself is very polished in its own respect, and I didn't buy MGS4 for the gameplay, I bought it for the cutscenes. I bought it because I wanted to advance the stories of the past games that were so open ended.

You probably thought of it as "Damn, another cutscene getting in the way of the gameplay." while I thought of it as "Damn, another gameplay part I have to fight through to earn my cutscene." If I wanted a game just to run and gun, and not to care about its generic story line.. I'd play a Halo 3 or GTA4.

Well, I actually played MGS 1-3 and the 2 MSX ones thanks to the Subsistence package. I enjoyed them all. Because of their gameplay. Maybe I'm just too old-fashioned, huh?

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's mickydaniels!!

Welcome back! Why the glorious return?:D
I'm always lurking.

[Renwood]

If you enjoyed the gameplay in MGS1-3, there isn't much difference.

Discounting Act 5, which was little more than an interactive cutscene throughout, Acts 1 and 2 are the logical progression of gameplay in MGS3. Act 3's stalking section and the whole of Act 4 are a return to the basic sneaking mechanics of MGS1 and 2, where you really aren't supposed to run-and-gun, even if it is a little easier now. Trying to mow through the tiny metal gear balls is annoying, but when I tried actually sneaking, it was rewarding.

[Dyne]

An old adage of games used to be that graphics don't make the game. Here, I have to say that cutscenes do not make a game. They appear frequently and take up so much time that they often kill any momentum that I started to get while playing it.

Massively overrated and part of a very disturbing trend that I'm starting to see in these big-budget, overhyped games being praised to the heavens by critics; I really am starting to suspect some form of payola is going on.

No.. seriously. Did you really expect anything else going into a MGS game? That's mind-boggling.

Do you not remember the long, long codec calls before? They've DEFINITELY shifted away from that kind of story-telling now and I applaud them. Codec calls are actually used for plot progression, rather than backstory-telling and character development.

[mickydaniels]

No.. seriously. Did you really expect anything else going into a MGS game? That's mind-boggling.

Do you not remember the long, long codec calls before? They've DEFINITELY shifted away from that kind of story-telling now and I applaud them. Codec calls are actually used for plot progression, rather than backstory-telling and character development.

The cinematics before did not take up most of your gametime.
And the codec calls were long, yes. But watching is still watching, and the longest codec in MGS2 wasn't even 15 min. You sit around watching for more than 15 min at a time regularly here.

I'm not saying I didn't expect them, I didn't expect it to take up so much of the experience, because that didn't happen before.

[Renwood]

I started replaying Metal Gear Solid 2 and 3 for the first time since 2005. Before, I wasn't sure if it was nostalgia coloring my memory, but now that I've gotten a ways into both, and with MGS4 fresh in my brain, the decline in voice acting quality after 2 is sharp. I am not sure what changed behind the scenes with who handled the NA voice acting sessions, but the delivery is just plain worse in 3 and 4 when stacked against 2.

Though I do think the actual dialogue plays a part here too, the awkwardness in how some of the lines come out is the bigger offender. When Snake and Octacon are jawing over the codec during the Tanker section, it feels natural, and while Snake still does fall into those moments where he parrots back lines, he also really seems to add to the conversation himself, which is nice.

I've read some things on how David Hayter has difficulty producing the Snake voice anymore, and it does show in 3 as his voice becomes more forced and reduced in range.

With that said, I don't think any part of the series has bad voice acting compared against its peers, but still certainly, it is a bit disappointing.

[magus113]

Finally finished the game. Incredible...

The commentary in the game is amazing, too.

Don't let BLue fool you! He just sat and watched me play it! He's done nothing I tell you! NOTHING

[flunkie44]

An old adage of games used to be that graphics don't make the game. Here, I have to say that cutscenes do not make a game. They appear frequently and take up so much time that they often kill any momentum that I started to get while playing it.

Massively overrated and part of a very disturbing trend that I'm starting to see in these big-budget, overhyped games being praised to the heavens by critics; I really am starting to suspect some form of payola is going on.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a345/flunkie44/gtfo.gif

[Renwood]

you add so much

[GameMaster]

Update: I like shocking people with the Mark II

[Perfect Stu]

you add so much

It's like rain on your wedding day
It's a free ride when you've already paid
It's the good advice that you just didn't take
Who would've thought... it figures

[Renwood]

Location: Toronto

oh

[birdman]

It's like rain on your wedding day
It's a free ride when you've already paid
It's the good advice that you just didn't take
Who would've thought... it figures

You should probably just say this was ironic, because that song is devoid of any irony. Or could you say it was ironic because she wasn't.

[Perfect Stu]

You should probably just say this was ironic, because that song is devoid of any irony.

That's kinda the point of the song now isn't it.

Location: Toronto

oh

:lol:

[uber_paddler]

ZOMG the Big Boss facecamo is freaking BEASTLY! That + Tanegashima = instapwn!

[Bond]

This is a question to anyone who has finished Metal Gear Solid 4:

Does the last scene end with Solid Snake giving Big Boss a cigar or is there a video after that?

[uber_paddler]

Nope, that's it, although at the end of the final credits(the ones after the Big Boss scene) there is a convo between Otacon and Snake where you just here the audio.

[flunkie44]

You wouldn't leave me to suffer through Sunny's eggs alone, would you?

[Dyne]

Good god what an amazing game. Definitely one of the best ever made.

[bobcat]

i loved every bit of it. And I love the cut scenes. I was looking forward to them the most, even tho gameplay is so dam fun!

Ah memories. I'm so glad i gots a ps3 :)

[DarkMaster]

Just had to chime and say, holy fuckin shit what an awesome game.

[flunkie44]

Indeed.

[Dyne]

Just had to chime and say, holy fuckin shit what an awesome game.

Pretty much. I don't even know where to place it in my top 10. I'm going to have to think about it for a while and play it again.

[bobcat]

here here!

[Dylflon]

Finally got to play and beat it because Typhoid brought it over.

Two comments:

1. More like tactical movie watching action

2. Best game that doesn't let you play it that much





I have to say, it really lacked on the whole letting you play the game thing. I really do wish there was way more gameplay considering how many cinematics there were. I loved the movie sequences though and am happy that everything has been more or less explained. But in terms of a game that actually lets you play it, I'd have to call MGS3 the best in the series.

[Dyne]

Which difficulty did you play it on?

[Typhoid]

Phil, he played on Naked Normal.



I'm waiting for Metal Gear Solid 5: Tactical Euthanasia Action.

[Dyne]

Naked Normal? Boo.

[uber_paddler]

The Boss Extreme or bust, pussies.

[Dylflon]

Which difficulty did you play it on?

I thought the gameplay would take a while to get through so we popped it on the FIRST DIFFICULTY THAT YOU PLAYED IT ON TOO ACCORDING TO SEAN in order to get through the game quickly.


Do the other difficulties give you more gameplay magically? I could see it taking a little bit longer to get though but beyond that...

[Dyne]

Hahaha, oh sean.

Yeah, I think there's more enemies the higher difficulty you go up. Plus your Camo is a lot more sensitive. You basically can't just run and gun. It's a shame they allowed for that style of play in easier difficulties. :(

[BreakABone]

So my PS3 collection is growing at a rapid rate.

I just got MGS 4 can't wait to play/watch this.

[DarkMaster]

Ah, to experience MGS4 again for the first time. Soak it all in.

[TheGame]

MGS4 is amazing, though I'll admit its definently built for the MGS fans. I don't know how much the story would appeal to someone who hasn't at least played one of the previous 3 titles... espeecially MGS2.

[capablemachine]

Ok I'm a big Metal Gear fan, I played the original when I was a youngster back when it came out and then bought every subsequent game after that and usually whatever console it was on (twin snakes ugh!). I liked pretty much each one (bar twin snakes). However I have to say the MGS 4 was a big dissapointment for the following reason :-

- no decent character intereaction through the codec screen - Rosemary played no real signifigant part in the game - lack of humorous easter eggs - small play time - Act 3 : follow some idiot (boring) - faceless bosses - Drebin character very cleche and unecessary and over the top boss backstories - Buying lots of weapons adds no real value to the game - Act 4 : very short - Act 5 : very short (wouldn't it be good if you got to explore or actually do something on the ship) - Cut scenes too long, what kind of games has a save option between cutscenes? - Nonsensical jibberish storyline (sorry fellas but if you're swallowing liquid/ocelot hypnotising himself to fullfil some kind of role you've lost touch with reality) - Was a movie more than a game.

Aside from all that there was some really good points like the boss battles and the control system and the graphics. Anyway that's about it please rebut.

[uber_paddler]

MGS4 is amazing, though I'll admit its definently built for the MGS fans. I don't know how much the story would appeal to someone who hasn't at least played one of the previous 3 titles... espeecially MGS2.

Couldn't the same be said for ALL story driven game series?

[capablemachine]

Another thing that's been bothering me about the story. Wasn't Cambell in the second one just a phantom of Raiden's imagination cobbled together from his own experiences and expectations of what the colonel should be and then transmitted from Arsenal gear, and didn't Snake and Octocon reveal that too him when he was naked in the arsenal gear jejenum or wherever? Raiden even said he'd never seen the colonel in real life and he's never addressed as Colonel Cambell.

Wasn't the whole point of him looking and talking like Cambell done on purpose to make the audience think it was Cambell so the twist at the end came as a bigger shock? I mean that seems like a pretty big hole to me that he turns up in the second one and Snake is talking to him like it was a familiar experience to the both of them. I mean if the colonel wasn't involved in the mission why would he even know who raiden was?

[Zen]

cm? nice... nice indeed :P

[capablemachine]

Oh hey Zen, hey what ever happened to mobile militia and all that crew and what do you think of MGS4? You don't even play games anymore do you :mad: not even gunbound.

[TheGame]

Couldn't the same be said for ALL story driven game series?

Nope, I played MG2 first and understood it just fine. Played MGS1 before MSX and understood it fine. Played MGS3, and could say that the story is so lightly related to the others that it could have been understood as a stand alone game too.

MGS4 is the first in the series in the Playstation ages that I think could not stand alone whatsoever.

Another thing that's been bothering me about the story. Wasn't Cambell in the second one just a phantom of Raiden's imagination cobbled together from his own experiences and expectations of what the colonel should be and then transmitted from Arsenal gear, and didn't Snake and Octocon reveal that too him when he was naked in the arsenal gear jejenum or wherever? Raiden even said he'd never seen the colonel in real life and he's never addressed as Colonel Cambell.

Wasn't the whole point of him looking and talking like Cambell done on purpose to make the audience think it was Cambell so the twist at the end came as a bigger shock? I mean that seems like a pretty big hole to me that he turns up in the second one and Snake is talking to him like it was a familiar experience to the both of them. I mean if the colonel wasn't involved in the mission why would he even know who raiden was?

I think you have a misunderstanding, the colonel in raiden's mind was campbell. It was not just a play on visuals, Raiden directly asked him about his time working with snake and the colonel tries to ignore it. He was an AI version of the colonel who was implanted into raiden, who reacts according to Raiden's expectations to help control him.

Now, the reason campbell knows raiden is completly up in the air. That's a hole in the story.

[capablemachine]

Yes I remember him talking about the article "the darkness of shadow moses" but I think that was left openly ambiguous as to which colonel was referred to in the article. I mean it seems odd to me that if the colonel giving Raiden orders was (to him) Campbell that he would never mention it to Snake or Otacon at all.

Regardless of whether it was or wasn't it was still a pretty big cock up in the fourth. He should have just kept it simple, Campbell doesn't even really play a role in the fourth except for introducing Rose and telling Snake he's married to her. That whole arc seemed unneccessary.

[Zen]

Oh hey Zen, hey what ever happened to mobile militia and all that crew and what do you think of MGS4? You don't even play games anymore do you :mad: not even gunbound.

Well owners just pretty much allowed it to die, no gracefulness, no hey where are you guys going topic, just BAM dead. KG is around here, I have no idea about the other..... 5 or so people :P. I havent played MGS4 yet and I'm dying to do so, however I cant afford a PS3 at the moment for various reasons and story that would go on for a while.

[capablemachine]

Oh well I hope i didn't ruin it for you. Yeh what jerks just letting that site die, remember messer and s.h.a.r.p and yeh I rememer KG and MlkE and stuff but that's about it.