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Hi everybody! I've been gone for some 5 or 6 months, I was trying to stay away from the internet but couldn't manage it, lol :) I'm pretty sure nobody even realized I was gone, but here I am, now you know I'm back :)
Anyway, here's something that's been really bothering me.. I'm planning to go to England in about a month, and I was thinking about buying a 360 Elite (with PES2008, Bioshock and Halo 3 - rate the games as well :p). But I'm hearing everywhere that these things have that hardware problem. I'm going to be bringing it back to Turkey of course, no warranty, no service even - Microsoft Turkey still haven't started selling 360's here, they say March 2008 or something.
What I'm asking is, how common is this hardware failure? Has anybody here had it, what did they do? What can I do to prevent it? And the most important of all, does this still happen with the Elite model - one of the reasons I want this is because it's a newer model and that the problem might have been fixed..
Oh, and what exactly are these, and what are they doing on our forums?!
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thatmariolover
11-20-2007, 12:59 PM
The 3 red lights is the most common and worst of the problems that the 360 has and indicates the components overheating. I personally haven't experienced it with my system, but my friend went through 3 systems and each had the problem within the span of 6 months (each purchased new) before he eventually got a PS3 early this summer.
The Elite has had some problems, but my understanding is that the first batch was released based on the old manufacturing method. My understanding is that all 360's since this past Fall are based on the new 65nm chipset and generally run cooler and are less prone to the problem.
But that's all I know.
That sounds good, the new batch being more stable. I'll be getting it in mid/late December, I just hope it's a new one..
And because it's a problem about overheating, I guess not playing it excessively would be a step towards prevention..
Edit: I also have some other things on my mind, I hope nobody minds me asking..
1. If I get a Live account, can I have more than 1 user name and gamer card and stuff? I'll be using it with my brother, and it would be nice if we could have two separate users, kinda like WoW's multiple-characters-under-same-account system.
2. I heard that sometimes games just freeze while playing. What is the cause of this, and does it happen often? Is it a serious problem, or does resetting solve the problem?
Wow, I see that I'm actually scared about buying this :) Thanks for the help people..
BreakABone
11-20-2007, 02:34 PM
I will say the hardware issues are real.
I had my 360 replaced. My brother has. My cousin has. A few of my friends.
However, I have been hearing the new models are a lot less prone to such things but I couldn't tell you personally.
I will say the system is worth it and maybe you can get a friend in UK so they can return it for you if anything goes wrong.
And if you do get it working don't forget to post gamertag so we can all play together. haha
GameMaster
11-20-2007, 05:28 PM
I guess I was one of the lucky ones. I bought my 360 last November and never experienced any problems with it.
BreakABone
11-20-2007, 05:35 PM
I guess I was one of the lucky ones. I bought my 360 last November and never experienced any problems with it.
Probably from as far as I could tell you are never on it. :p
DeathsHand
11-20-2007, 05:48 PM
I bought one of the new holiday bundles, which I assume runs on the new, cooler chip...
Granted I've only had it for a month, I haven't had a single problem of any kind so far, and I haven't found a single spot on the outside of the console that remotely approaches anything that could be considered "hot" to the touch, even after an 8 hour gaming session one weekend...
My Wii runs hotter than my 360... Unless there's some sort of crazy business going on inside the thing...
gekko
11-20-2007, 11:24 PM
It comes from a poor clamp used for the heatsink causing the motherboard to flex. Is it real? Of course. Will you replace your console 11 times? No.
I have a launch 360 and I just had it happen in late August. It goes away for a month, then comes back. No biggie, just have a spare sitting around :D
jeepnut
11-21-2007, 01:19 AM
That sounds good, the new batch being more stable. I'll be getting it in mid/late December, I just hope it's a new one..
And because it's a problem about overheating, I guess not playing it excessively would be a step towards prevention..
Edit: I also have some other things on my mind, I hope nobody minds me asking..
1. If I get a Live account, can I have more than 1 user name and gamer card and stuff? I'll be using it with my brother, and it would be nice if we could have two separate users, kinda like WoW's multiple-characters-under-same-account system.
2. I heard that sometimes games just freeze while playing. What is the cause of this, and does it happen often? Is it a serious problem, or does resetting solve the problem?
Wow, I see that I'm actually scared about buying this :) Thanks for the help people..
I did some research on this since I want to get a 360 eventually. I remember reading a thread on a forum about how to tell if you have the new 65nm chipset or not. Not sure if I can find the link again...
I finds it. Here. (http://forums.xbox.com/15804553/ShowPost.aspx)
Basically, there are some 360's with the new 65nm chipset out there. However, only the CPU is 65nm on these new 360's, not the graphics chip which actually seems to run the hotter of the two chips. So the biggest part of the problem won't be fixed until the gpu goes to 65nm sometime in mid 2008.
Best advice, if you purchase one now, don't use it vertically even though it says you can. Doing so blocks the largest vent on the 360 and airflow is key to longevity. Also, make sure that wherever you place you 360, there is plenty of room around it to keep the air flowing.
As for your other questions,
1. You are only allowed one username per live account. However, additional people can play online with you as guests in most games. You could use any profile with you live account on Halo 2, but on Halo 3, it seems you are only allowed one profile these days. If anybody knows differently, I'd like to know too.
2. I've had games freeze on me once in a while while playing my roommate's 360. It's a rare occurrence and a simple power cycle fixes the problem. Not sure what causes it.
BreakABone
11-21-2007, 01:41 AM
Didn't even see his other question.
Er on the first one, I believe your console can have a bunch of gamertags. So as long as you aren't going online it will be fine. Once you start going online though as Jeepnut said you have to pay per account.
Sometimes signing in as a guest can be a pain in the arse. Especially in Gears.
Angrist
11-21-2007, 04:03 AM
How much would it cost to send it to a friend in the UK, who can then get you a new one?
Typhoid
11-21-2007, 11:50 AM
My friends used to do this a lot.
He got the intercooler/fan/whateverit'scalled for it, and it stopped for a while.
Most of the time, we realized it has to do with the positioning of the system itself, and how close it is to other things. Like if it's in a cramped little cubby-hole, it's more likely to overheat because the heat cant escape too far, so it will just pile up (more or less). If it's standing up, it's more likely to overheat than when it's sitting flat. We stuck his on the floor with nothing around it, and it hasnt overheated for about 5 or 6 months - and prior it used to overheat nearly every day.
I don't know, though.
Professor S
11-21-2007, 01:11 PM
From what I've read the best plan is to not stand the system upright, as doing so blocks one of the larger vents on the console. Since buying mine I've kept the 360 in a large shelf with plenty of space and on its side. Haven't had a problem as yet.
How much would it cost to send it to a friend in the UK, who can then get you a new one?
I'm thinking about that. My cousin lives there, and she comes to Turkey quite a few times every year. And when she doesn't, her brother visits her frequently, so I may even be able to send it with them.
Although if something like this does happen, it'll be gone for at least 3-4 months - I don't know if I can live that long without games :D Oh well, I'll finish up RE4 and Mario Galaxy if it does. I just hope it doesn't..
The 360 looks to be too good a console to miss out on, and it just seems it's worth the risk. And thanks a lot on the tip to prevent it - I'll be playing it outside.. :)
And thanks for answering my other questions. Sucks that I can't have more than one online user name..Oh well..
Angrist
11-22-2007, 05:26 AM
Playing it outside? :D In the full Turkish sun?
And I was wondering, does Nintendo sell in Turkey? Or did you get your Wii somewhere else as well?
DarkMaster
11-22-2007, 07:18 AM
I have a question. My roommate bought a PS3 and a 360 and is trying to get them online. We use a wireless internet connection through my landlord's router and while the PS3 goes online no problem, I guess wasn't paying attention to hardware changes because apparently the 360 doesn't have built-in wireless capabilities? How can we get the 360 online wirelessly?
GameMaster
11-22-2007, 07:23 AM
I have a question. My roommate bought a PS3 and a 360 and is trying to get them online. We use a wireless internet connection through my landlord's router and while the PS3 goes online no problem, I guess wasn't paying attention to hardware changes because apparently the 360 doesn't have built-in wireless capabilities? How can we get the 360 online wirelessly?
http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-360-Wireless-Network-Adapter/dp/B000B6MLV4
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BreakABone
11-22-2007, 11:16 AM
I have a question. My roommate bought a PS3 and a 360 and is trying to get them online. We use a wireless internet connection through my landlord's router and while the PS3 goes online no problem, I guess wasn't paying attention to hardware changes because apparently the 360 doesn't have built-in wireless capabilities? How can we get the 360 online wirelessly?
You can go as GameMAster said.
I also found that if your computer has a spare ethernet port or one that you aren't using.
You can run the Xbox 360 through that but of course needs a comp nearby and slows down its connection.
but saves you 100 bucks.
manasecret
11-22-2007, 11:59 AM
http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-360-Wireless-Network-Adapter/dp/B000B6MLV4
http://i19.tinypic.com/8fw9i5c.png
The 360 also connects wirelessly to a futuristic version of the internet exclusive to the 360 that runs a million times faster than the current fastest broadband earthly internet. That explains the price.
Playing it outside? :D In the full Turkish sun?
And I was wondering, does Nintendo sell in Turkey? Or did you get your Wii somewhere else as well?
Yes, Nintendo does sell in Turkey. Nintendo Turkey opened about a year before the launch of the Wii. They overcharge for everything, but still, it's nice to just look around shops and decide what to buy :)
By the way, that wifi adapter is one of the most overpriced piece of electronics I've ever seen. But I need one. Nice move MS.
And speaking of failures, my DS Lite's speakers died today. I've been using headphones for a few weeks, and a couple of days ago, I had problems with that - I had to have it plugged in halfway to get sound from the headphones. I couldn't fix it, and while trying to plug it in and out, my DS froze a couple of times. Then when I turned it on again, it said I had no game inserted. Then today, I turn it on, and after a few "no game inserted" messages, I got the game running - with no sound coming out of the speakers. My DS has been giving me a lot of trouble recently :( And now I found out that I have to have it repaired. Damn.
DarkMaster
11-22-2007, 02:40 PM
$100 for an adapter? Are you freakin kidding me? For a system that boasts so many online features you'd think that it'd include wireless functionality, you know like the other two consoles...
Maybe we could connect it to a laptop. You just run an ethernet cord from the 360 to the computer? Yeah that would be fine.
$100 for an adapter? Are you freakin kidding me? For a system that boasts so many online features you'd think that it'd include wireless functionality, you know like the other two consoles...
Maybe we could connect it to a laptop. You just run an ethernet cord from the 360 to the computer? Yeah that would be fine.
Wired is better for gaming anyway. Just find a nice way to hide the cable and you're set.
I got the wireless adapter for Christmas last year. I've had no problems with it.
thatmariolover
11-29-2007, 11:52 AM
Yeah I just bought a long cable for cheap. Deal extreme has the tool to make the cables too and sell the tips in bulk if you're interested.
At any rate, I just got on Live a week or two ago. ID is ThatMarioLover.
gekko
11-29-2007, 12:08 PM
Wired is better in every situation, ever.
That being said, never buy your cables from retail. You can find good cables for pennies on the dollar. Just need to remember where...
Jason1
11-29-2007, 02:08 PM
Hey guys I have a question that relates to Xbox hardware problems. My roomate's Xbox 360 is all of a sudden displaying every disc he puts in as "unplayable" We tried a laser disc cleaner and that worked for a brief time but now its doing it again. No type of disc will play. I mean I know the Xbox hardware is crappy, but can anything be done?
Professor S
11-29-2007, 02:25 PM
Hey guys I have a question that relates to Xbox hardware problems. My roomate's Xbox 360 is all of a sudden displaying every disc he puts in as "unplayable" We tried a laser disc cleaner and that worked for a brief time but now its doing it again. No type of disc will play. I mean I know the Xbox hardware is crappy, but can anything be done?
Call up MS and check out the warrantee. They'll give you your options. Or lie and say its the red rings of death and get a new one.
Angrist
11-29-2007, 04:09 PM
A Christian advising you to lie.
Professor S
11-29-2007, 04:22 PM
A Christian advising you to lie.
I'm a Christian? Really? Thats odd considering I don't believe that Jesus was the son of God...
Angrist
11-29-2007, 04:44 PM
Wait, who was a Christian again?
Anyway, advising people to lie just sucks in my opinion.
Jason1
11-30-2007, 12:46 PM
Ah, I could totally see lying if that was the only way to get your Xbox replaced. I mean, if you have to lie to a multi Billion dollar company, at least its an evil one.
Professor S
11-30-2007, 12:53 PM
Wait, who was a Christian again?
Anyway, advising people to lie just sucks in my opinion.
So does spending $400 on a machine that is prone to malfunction in multiple ways. You are not lying as much as you are creatively holding the producer of a faulty product to normal production standards.
In my mind, if you create a faulty product, you are morally obligated to fix it. If you don't, then others are morally correct in making you do so.
BreakABone
11-30-2007, 01:01 PM
So does spending $400 on a machine that is prone to malfunction in multiple ways. You are not lying as much as you are creatively holding the producer of a faulty product to normal production standards.
In my mind, if you create a faulty product, you are morally obligated to fix it. If you don't, then others are morally correct in making you do so.
And to be fair if it isn't the RRoD now, it will be soon enough.
Better safe than sorry. ;)
Didn't want to make a new topic, so I decided to ask here..
I just can't decide on what games to buy. Bioshock is a definite purchase. I also want a good, accessible offline multiplayer game, and I just don't want it to be a shooter - but I still have some shooters on my list :).
Here's what I'm thinking about:
-Marvel Ultimate Alliance (I'm leaning towards this)
-Forza 2
-PES2008 (have it on PS2, so not really a good choice)
-Halo 3 (just for it's coop mode, otherwise not really interested)
-Orange Box (but I think it doesn't have offline multiplayer)
-Gears of War
What do you think about these? I'm only going to be buying one..
Angrist
12-11-2007, 10:01 AM
-Marvel Ultimate Alliance --> only when it's dirt cheap?
-Forza 2 --> no idea what it is
-PES2008 (have it on PS2, so not really a good choice) --> exactly
-Halo 3 --> isn't the single/coopplayer very short?
-Orange Box (but I think it doesn't have offline multiplayer) --> don't know either
-Gears of War --> don't know much about this game
Professor S
12-11-2007, 10:48 AM
-Marvel Ultimate Alliance --> only when it's dirt cheap?
-Forza 2 --> no idea what it is
-PES2008 (have it on PS2, so not really a good choice) --> exactly
-Halo 3 --> isn't the single/coopplayer very short?
-Orange Box (but I think it doesn't have offline multiplayer) --> don't know either
-Gears of War --> don't know much about this game
I'm not sure why you bothered to post this...
Anyway, Ultimate Alliance is very good, if a bit repetitive. The character powers and animations make up for it though. I'd give it a solid 7 on a REAL 10 point scale.
Forza 2 - Great if you love unlta-realism in driving games.
Halo 3 - Must have if you own an Xbox 360, if only for the multiplayer.
Orange Box - Uh, YEAH. Get it. Three great games in one package.
Gears of War - Yep, get it. Its bloody, visceral experience.
BreakABone
12-11-2007, 11:17 AM
I'm not sure why you bothered to post this...
Anyway, Ultimate Alliance is very good, if a bit repetitive. The character powers and animations make up for it though. I'd give it a solid 7 on a REAL 10 point scale.
You have Ultimate Alliance? Do you play online?
Didn't want to make a new topic, so I decided to ask here..
I just can't decide on what games to buy. Bioshock is a definite purchase. I also want a good, accessible offline multiplayer game, and I just don't want it to be a shooter - but I still have some shooters on my list :).
Here's what I'm thinking about:
-Marvel Ultimate Alliance (I'm leaning towards this)
-Forza 2
-PES2008 (have it on PS2, so not really a good choice)
-Halo 3 (just for it's coop mode, otherwise not really interested)
-Orange Box (but I think it doesn't have offline multiplayer)
-Gears of War
What do you think about these? I'm only going to be buying one..
Of those would go with Marvel. Believe it is the longest offline game on your list. Many different characters to replay and stuff. Tons of characters. A fan dream come true.
Professor S
12-11-2007, 03:31 PM
You have Ultimate Alliance? Do you play online?
I haven't played online as yet, because I still haven't gotten my wires set up. That and my Verizon DSL goes out every 30 minutes... I need Comcast...
Angrist
12-11-2007, 04:22 PM
Sorry, I thought Ultimate Alliance was a crappy game, but maybe I'm thinking of the Wii version. :)
Professor S
12-11-2007, 04:31 PM
Sorry, I thought Ultimate Alliance was a crappy game, but maybe I'm thinking of the Wii version. :)
If you're not a comic fan or a nut for unlocking new powers/moves etc., there are plenty of reasons not to like Ultimate Alliance. The gameplay is repetitive and without online/multi-play it plays like an uninspired beat-em-up. I think crappy is too strong of a word regardless. It makes devalues the word to describe truly crappy games like Big Mother Truckers.
Bottom Line: If you play online a lot or love comics, its a must buy. If not, I'd rent it and see what you think.
Umm.. Prof.S.. You just told me to buy all those games, am I right? I wish I could, but..it's impossible :)
I'm guessing MUA is a good choice, from your comments.
Although I have them on my list, I don't want another shooter. I just thought they might be good for multiplayer..
jeepnut
12-12-2007, 09:30 PM
Rock Band
Umm..thanks for the recommendations people, but I'm looking for a multiplayer game.. I'm thinking about Halo 3 or Gears of War (and maybe still Marvel), because they both support offline multiplayer and online play with guests. Is it easy to play with guests, does my guest need Gold Live account, for example? Or is a Silver account enough? Or maybe they won't even need an account? I'm only buying 2 games, so I don't want to run into any problems..
Thanks for everything, btw..
Fox 6
12-15-2007, 04:24 PM
Umm..thanks for the recommendations people, but I'm looking for a multiplayer game.. I'm thinking about Halo 3 or Gears of War (and maybe still Marvel), because they both support offline multiplayer and online play with guests. Is it easy to play with guests, does my guest need Gold Live account, for example? Or is a Silver account enough? Or maybe they won't even need an account? I'm only buying 2 games, so I don't want to run into any problems..
Thanks for everything, btw..
The guest wont need any account at all. The game will give you the option of choosing a guest and they will have your account name with a (1), (2), (3) and so forth.
BreakABone
12-15-2007, 04:49 PM
Umm..thanks for the recommendations people, but I'm looking for a multiplayer game.. I'm thinking about Halo 3 or Gears of War (and maybe still Marvel), because they both support offline multiplayer and online play with guests. Is it easy to play with guests, does my guest need Gold Live account, for example? Or is a Silver account enough? Or maybe they won't even need an account? I'm only buying 2 games, so I don't want to run into any problems..
Thanks for everything, btw..
I don't know if Marvel allows online play with guests to be honest.
That I will check in with for you.
Halo and Gears does, but Gears is such a pain in the ass to get guests to play with.
They don't need any accounts actually as you have to play under the one with the Gold.
Thanks a lot Fox 6 and BaB. I'm almost definitely going to be buying Halo then. I know it sounded like that when I wrote it, but I know that Marvel doesn't have guest support.
Thanks a lot, once again, for the big help..
This topic again :) But it's not about hardware failures or anything. It's about the XBox and my tv.
I have a 42'' plasma tv, and while it didn't say "HD Ready" anywhere on the sticker on the screen when I bought it, I plugged my 360 with an HDMI cable and got 720p and 1080i options, and I get the quality picture that I would expect from a HDTV.
This leads me to believe that I have an HDTV (not full HD though). Is this correct, is my tv an HDTV? I'm thinking about buying an HD satellite receiver if it is.
"HD Ready" is just a sticker companies put on TV's.
If you have at least 720P, then yes, you're good to go for any HDTV inputs.
Nice! :)
I'm guessing the XBox wouldn't give me the option if it wasn't compatible. 1080p is grayed out, for example.
gekko
01-12-2008, 09:14 PM
This leads me to believe that I have an HDTV (not full HD though). Is this correct, is my tv an HDTV? I'm thinking about buying an HD satellite receiver if it is.
1080i is the same exact picture as 1080p, only displayed as interlaced. You won't get a higher resolution on the consumer market.
1080i is the same exact picture as 1080p, only displayed as interlaced. You won't get a higher resolution on the consumer market.
Yeah, it looks different in motion.
1080i is the same exact picture as 1080p, only displayed as interlaced. You won't get a higher resolution on the consumer market.
But when I run my games in 1080i, I get a duller picture than in 720p- yes, it's sharper, but the colors are duller. I've used my XBox on a 1080p tv before, and I can notice the difference.
And what did you mean by "not getting a higher resolution on the consumer market"?
thatmariolover
01-13-2008, 02:02 PM
But when I run my games in 1080i, I get a duller picture than in 720p- yes, it's sharper, but the colors are duller. I've used my XBox on a 1080p tv before, and I can notice the difference.
And what did you mean by "not getting a higher resolution on the consumer market"?
Higher resolution displays can be purchased, they are cost prohibitive and therefore not readily available to consumers. They're usually purchased by businesses who require larger than standard high def screens (movie production studios, etc).
gekko
01-13-2008, 05:37 PM
But when I run my games in 1080i, I get a duller picture than in 720p- yes, it's sharper, but the colors are duller. I've used my XBox on a 1080p tv before, and I can notice the difference.
And what did you mean by "not getting a higher resolution on the consumer market"?
Resolution: The maximum number of pixels that can be displayed on the screen at any given time. 1920x1080 is the resolution of both 1080i and 1080p. Its the exact same picture. The difference is one only refreshes all odd lines, then all even, while the other refreshes all lines sequentially each time the screen is refreshed.
Is 1080p better? Sure, but marginally. It'll really only be noticed on very fast games. On movies, you would barely notice, and TV is 1080i... well, HD broadcasts are.
As for the colors, beats me. Your TV supports a set number of colors (I believe 24-bit), but the resolution isn't going to magically alter the amount of colors you can display.
I'd recommend you tune your TV. Your settings are very inaccurate by default, especially if you don't have a CRT. CRTs were the original standard, and to date they still are what everything is based off of. The colors used in movies and TV are still set to be the ideal way to view the movie when watched on a CRT monitor. LCDs and Plasmas require proper tuning to get to properly replicate CRT colors.
I'd recommend investing in the Digital Video Essentials disc, and dedicate a couple hours to tweaking the settings on your TV.
Jason1
01-13-2008, 09:41 PM
and TV is 1080i... well, HD broadcasts are.
I thought that depended on what the station broadcasts in...for instance, I thought FOX only broadcasts in 720p. When Im watching something in HD on FOX then I switch to NBC, the picture seems a little better on NBC.
I could be wrong on this though.
Resolution: The maximum number of pixels that can be displayed on the screen at any given time. 1920x1080 is the resolution of both 1080i and 1080p. Its the exact same picture. The difference is one only refreshes all odd lines, then all even, while the other refreshes all lines sequentially each time the screen is refreshed.
Is 1080p better? Sure, but marginally. It'll really only be noticed on very fast games. On movies, you would barely notice, and TV is 1080i... well, HD broadcasts are.
As for the colors, beats me. Your TV supports a set number of colors (I believe 24-bit), but the resolution isn't going to magically alter the amount of colors you can display.
I'd recommend you tune your TV. Your settings are very inaccurate by default, especially if you don't have a CRT. CRTs were the original standard, and to date they still are what everything is based off of. The colors used in movies and TV are still set to be the ideal way to view the movie when watched on a CRT monitor. LCDs and Plasmas require proper tuning to get to properly replicate CRT colors.
I'd recommend investing in the Digital Video Essentials disc, and dedicate a couple hours to tweaking the settings on your TV.
All right then..
720p does look better right now, but I could -and probably should- try tweaking in 1080i. I don't think I'll be able to get that disc, but I'll mess around with the settings myself..
Thanks again for the help.
manasecret
01-14-2008, 01:04 PM
Resolution: The maximum number of pixels that can be displayed on the screen at any given time. 1920x1080 is the resolution of both 1080i and 1080p.
Yeah but you're not mentioning the fact that most 720p TVs will accept 1080i signals but do not have the resolution of a full 1080p TV. Examples of this abound, but here's one (http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productDetail.do?oid=161719&WT.mc_n=66&WT.mc_t=U&cm_ven=COMPARISON%20SHOPPING&cm_cat=DEALTIME&cm_pla=DATAFEED-%3EPRODUCTS&cm_ite=1%20PRODUCT&cm_keycode=66) that's only 1366 x 768 resolution but accepts 1080i signals. Since I assume it has to do some bit-banging magic to convert a 1080i signal to a lower resolution (and de-interlace it), it is easily possible that 1080i sources don't look nearly as good as 720p sources on such a TV, which is likely what Bube has.
GameMaster
02-15-2008, 02:13 AM
I was in Target tonight and lo and behold at what lay before thy eyes:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v449/synthoid/0214082132.jpg
Another satisfied customer? I'll let you be the judge.
I was in Target tonight and lo and behold at what lay before thy eyes:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v449/synthoid/0214082132.jpg
Another satisfied customer? I'll let you be the judge.
Why people continue to think putting it in an enclosed space is ok is beyond me. You can't even do that with a dreamcast! The Xbox 360 heatsink wasn't made for anything but vertical position (apparently) + wide open, ventilated areas.
Professor S
02-15-2008, 11:36 AM
Why people continue to think putting it in an enclosed space is ok is beyond me. You can't even do that with a dreamcast! The Xbox 360 heatsink wasn't made for anything but vertical position (apparently) + wide open, ventilated areas.
I heard that horizontal was the best position because virtical cuts off the biggest vent on the console.
Thanks, MS. You've made handling my console the equivalent of an old wive's tale..
"Hey, I heard if you rub clove oil on the controller and soak it in celery compound it never overheats, by crickets!!"
Remember, if you wrap it in towels, you can fix it!
Seriously though, I have a day-one console that's always been vertical. No problems whatsoever.
Professor S
02-15-2008, 11:47 AM
Remember, if you wrap it in towels, you can fix it!
Seriously though, I have a day-one console that's always been vertical. No problems whatsoever.
I think the biggest problems come when people start stacking their devices in a small entertainment cabinet, and even moreso when they have glass doors and the like. All that heat combining with limited airflow lead to most of the issues, IMO. That and epic gaming sessions that last for hours on end. I'll admit to losing 6 hours in one sitting to Mass Effect, but I quickly came to my senses and shut her down to give her a break.
I'm just glad I got one after the made the changes to help with overheating.
thatmariolover
02-15-2008, 10:51 PM
The towel trick actually does work, sadly, and is a common tactic to get your 360 working for long enough to trade it in to a local Game Stop.
GameMaster
02-16-2008, 12:30 AM
I actually had mine laying horizontally. My reasoning behind that was it seems to me discs that are spinning in vertical positioning are more prone to wobbles which in-turn lead to scratches. Just for the record, this was my own silly theory and I don't know if its true or not.
thatmariolover
02-16-2008, 10:16 AM
I actually had mine laying horizontally. My reasoning behind that was it seems to me discs that are spinning in vertical positioning are more prone to wobbles which in-turn lead to scratches. Just for the record, this was my own silly theory and I don't know if its true or not.
It was actually a popular theory in the beginning of the 360's lifespan. However, they finally decided that moving it from vertical to horizontal or vice versa while a spinning disc was inside was what caused most of the scratches.
BreakABone
02-16-2008, 04:02 PM
It was actually a popular theory in the beginning of the 360's lifespan. However, they finally decided that moving it from vertical to horizontal or vice versa while a spinning disc was inside was what caused most of the scratches.
Sadly I know that from first hand experience.
But even when my console is completely stationary I find that it scratches up my discs to no avail. I've tried both horizontally and vertically. I really don't know.
The only positive is the games still work.
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