Flamethrower? Whoo Dee FUCKIN Doo!!

[Professor S]

IGN just did an entire piece on how Halo is breaking new ground with the inclusion of a FLAMETHROWER in Halo 3.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/812/812177p1.html

I'm getting a little tired of Bungie making a big deal out of gameplay innovations that are almost a decade old. Just because its the first time its been included in a Halo game does not make it unique or special.

Yes, Halo fans (I am one of them), I know that the draw of Halo has never been the innovation of the weaponry, but instead its execution and seamless integration with the gameplay, but still... A FLAMETHROWER??? Unreal has had more innovative weapons for since I was still teenager.

I realize that the human side needs to have weaponry that is more based on earth physics and near-future tech, but I don;t think a hand held GAUSS rifle or a micro-wave emitter are that hard to think of for near future. Just watch Future Weapons on Discovery to see what I'm talking about.

Well thats my opinion, whats yours?

[Bond]

I don't want a fucking flamethrower in Halo 3.

[Null]

i've yet to ever see anything 'breaking new ground' in a halo game.

both halo games have felt like fps games i've already played years and years ago on PC. everyone was all up and up a while ago about how halo had dual wielding guns and how that was so new.. pfft. been there done that then just like this now.

if its in halo, it must be revolutionary!

[Bond]

But seriously, why the flamethrower? That's so Vietnam.

Flamethrower = Annoying

[gekko]

Vietnam? Wrong war. Wasn't revolutionary in Vietnam, either.

Halo has always been very polished. That's the only good thing I will say about the series.

[Bond]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/Flamethrower_in_Vietnam.jpg

^ Flamethrower being used in the Vietnam War.

[gekko]

Really? No shit. Now go find yourself Hooked on Phonics and learn to read.

[manasecret]

According to my Hollywood history lessons, the flamethrower existed at least as early as WWII.

[Fox 6]

According to my Hollywood history lessons, the flamethrower existed at least as early as WWII.

Yeah, they used them in handheld forms, aswell as attached to tanks.

[Jason1]

Yea, Halo blows. Played it for PC and it was LAME...

Anyone who talks up Halo has never played a real FPS

[Professor S]

Ok, lets all calm down. Halo does not blow, its just not revolutionary by any means. I love the games. The action is well paced and the the gameplay mechanics are superb. The music? Thats what is revolutionary about the game. I've never heard a soundtrack that would get me more worked up in a game.

I'm talking about innovation, and how I want the Halo franchise to start be more innovative when it comes to gameplay, and not just the franchise that perfected what I call "gameplay/presentation synergy"

EDIT: WHOO HOOO! I made the new Marquee! I'm PUBLISHED!

[Angrist]

By the way, is Halo 3 supposed to be the end of a trilogy or anything?

[Professor S]

By the way, is Halo 3 supposed to be the end of a trilogy or anything?

I imagine it will continue to be made as long as it continues to make money. That always seems to be the case when it comes to videogame franchises. Just ask Mario and Samus.

[TheGame]

i've yet to ever see anything 'breaking new ground' in a halo game.

both halo games have felt like fps games i've already played years and years ago on PC. everyone was all up and up a while ago about how halo had dual wielding guns and how that was so new.. pfft. been there done that then just like this now.

if its in halo, it must be revolutionary!

The problem is Consoles are mainstream and PCs just aren't. Video game systems are (or can be) more of a social thing, while PC stuff is usually all one player anti-social stuff. (Its online, but yeah.. only one guy sitting in front of a PC 99% of the time.) PC FPS developers have all tried to make things for consoles and they usually fail in comparision to Halo.. and older ones were fail compared to Goldeneye/Perfect Dark.

I like Halo as a game, but to me its hardly revolutionary. When I look at the Halo 3 trailers it looks exactly like Halo 1 to me all over. They should have at least changed cheif's outfit! Its pretty much just a solid game with solid contros, and a decent story line.. and sadly hardly any console FPSs can say that. @_@;;;

[gekko]

The problem is Consoles are mainstream and PCs just aren't.

Expanding on that even further, we live in a day and age where very little is revolutionary. It's easy to credit a person back when Pac-Man was the first game to have a story-line, and John Carmack was able to develop the first side-scrolling PC engine. They were huge breakthroughs, and considering only a handful of people were in the business, someone did it first, and it's easy to point a finger at.

These days, no matter how new it may seem, it has most likely been done before, or some failed indie project, or some no-name PC game that no one ever played. Game designers get their ideas from other games, just like movie directors learn from each other.

[Null]

The problem is Consoles are mainstream and PCs just aren't. Video game systems are (or can be) more of a social thing, while PC stuff is usually all one player anti-social stuff. (Its online, but yeah.. only one guy sitting in front of a PC 99% of the time.) PC FPS developers have all tried to make things for consoles and they usually fail in comparision to Halo.. and older ones were fail compared to Goldeneye/Perfect Dark.

I like Halo as a game, but to me its hardly revolutionary. When I look at the Halo 3 trailers it looks exactly like Halo 1 to me all over. They should have at least changed cheif's outfit! Its pretty much just a solid game with solid contros, and a decent story line.. and sadly hardly any console FPSs can say that. @_@;;;


Consoles are more mainstream as far as the majority of gaming goes, yes. (and its a same that stuff like that actually is NEW to them because they havnt played better) However fps are more 'mainstream' so to speak on pc over consoles, and thats the reason halo is so popular on consoles and the pc gamers dont even give a second glance at. Halo is, kind of, a bridge between pc and console fps. Its better then most console fps games, not quite as good as many pc fps games. Thats why you get such different views on the game, it actually is new to most console only gamers.
it may not be as popular as some of the pc fps games, altho sales might be more for halo, another advantage of console i suppose. less pirating

The reason pc ports always failed on console is/was because of all they had to cut out that the console couldnt handle, the games were just a fraction of what they originally were.... this is, and has been changing as of late. PS3's version of UT3 will be pretty much an EXACT copy of its pc version. Complete with mods, which is going to be something pretty damn new to console gamers.
(when you add in that ut3 now has full keyboard/mouse support, ps3 is probably going to put a HUGE on pc gaming... if all future console are going to do everything the pc can for fps games, pc gaming will die off quickly)

and pc gaming being antisocial is a very common perception on it, altho it would be quite wrong. PC gaming has had such large communities. and voice chat for the longest time, plus the lan parties, (some yearly ones being huge) and the gaming leagues etc. saying 1 person behind a computer and hes alone, i find to be quite misleading, when the vast majority of single player by yourself games are on consoles. i personally think playing a fps game with 100 real people online, and being able to talk with them, is more social then a guy sitting in his room playing final fantasy for 10 hours straight. :p


in the end games are games, i compare halo and other fps games to thoes on pc, because they're all games, they should be comapred with each other..

[TheGame]

Consoles are more mainstream as far as the majority of gaming goes, yes. (and its a same that stuff like that actually is NEW to them because they havnt played better) However fps are more 'mainstream' so to speak on pc over consoles, and thats the reason halo is so popular on consoles and the pc gamers dont even give a second glance at.

I agree, but my point was more aimed at those who wonderd why Halo can add new features that aren't even revolutionary and get media attention for it. Console games in general would just because its a more mainstream platform for games and general than PCs are.

PC ones are definently better and pretty much still years ahead, and its easier to pull such games off on PC.. but... no matter what as long as consoles are more mainstream Halo is gonna be one of the first games to pop to people's minds when they think of FPSs.

One thing to keep in mind to, about the popularity.. is the fact that Halo is more of a social game. Console has four controler slots, and halo isn't THAT amazing of a one player game. So for every copy of halo sold I'm sure it made more fans than the people who bought it... unlike PC games, where its all one-player online fun. If you add pirating into the equation I'm sure you're probably breaking even 1/1 for people who llike the game and people who buy them themselves. (The straglers who don't buy em but like them are probably the same amount as the people who don't buy it and just pirate..)

When I say anti social, I don't mean you can't play it with other people.. Or that you can't drag your PC to a lan party.. I just mean its a LOT less likely that a household with one PC is going to make a ton of fans of a game where your only competition is either online or in a single player mode. People who get anything out of them are the ones who buy it themselves, non buyers can't really get the chance to get itno it.

[KillerGremlin]

the flamethrower is a tough weapon to get right....personally i've only seen it done right twice: in half life's TFC and in Croteam's Serious Sam: The Second Encounter

besides, you would think a badass with a suit like Master Chief would be flame retardant...stupid Bungie

[TheGame]

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