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Alright, time to put this fool behind bars and give the record back to Hank Aaron.
Fox 6
08-08-2007, 12:18 AM
This is a crime to baseball.
Long live Henry Aaron.
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The Germanator
08-08-2007, 01:00 AM
Courtesy of the best fans ever...Philly fans of course!
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KillerGremlin
08-08-2007, 01:36 AM
the man still has more talent than I ever will, but i agree....
at least put his name in the record books with a * next to it....
Barry Bonds*
* - used performance enhancing drugs
MrCoffee
08-08-2007, 01:39 AM
Barry Bonds*
* - used performance enhancing drugs
that made me chuckle
Professor S
08-08-2007, 08:04 AM
I stopped caring about baseball a long time ago... mainly because MLB not caring about its own image and reputation by allowing drugs to run rampant throught their sport.
Jason1
08-08-2007, 09:36 AM
I used to have this deep hatred for Bonds like the rest of you. I mean sure, he used steroids. So did so many others though. IMO, hes one of the top 5 players to ever play the game, easily, despite that fact. I dont hate the guy.
I stopped caring about baseball a long time ago... mainly because MLB not caring about its own image and reputation by allowing drugs to run rampant throught their sport.
Er... but you still watch wrestling? :hmm:
Professor S
08-08-2007, 11:47 AM
Er... but you still watch wrestling? :hmm:
1) Wrestling does not pretend to be a legitimate sport, its strictly entertainment. Two very different things.
2) I rarely watch the biggest offender of steroids, the WWE. I prefer the smaller promotions with unenhanced, but more athletic performers. I also love Japanese wrestling, and many of them barely resemble athletes, as they have a very low emphasis on the cosmetic aspect of American pro-wrestling. All that matters to them in in ring work rate.
3) Steroid inflated wrestlers tend to suck a wrestlers because their size limits their ability.
4) To my knowledge, The WWE has never kept an athlete out of their Hall of Fame for breaking one rule (Pete Rose), and then honor another for breaking a much worse one (Barry Bonds*). WWE wins on lack of hypocrisy alone.
Major League Baseball is a sham, a hoax, a play. And unlike professional wrestling they refuse to admit it.
Barry Bonds Took Steroids, Reports Everyone Who Has Ever Watched Baseball
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/46188
manasecret
08-08-2007, 02:05 PM
Man I love the Onion. See the one about RadioShack? I laughed until tears ran down my cheeks. http://www.theonion.com/content/news/even_ceo_cant_figure_out_how
Man I love the Onion. See the one about RadioShack? I laughed until tears ran down my cheeks. http://www.theonion.com/content/news/even_ceo_cant_figure_out_how
Actually, I saw that one in a copy of the print edition I picked up at a restaurant which was right next to an actual Radioshack. I was very tempted to bring them a copy.
Wasn't radiosuck the one that pawned off those horrid tandy computers? God.
Typhoid
08-08-2007, 03:00 PM
A guy on the radio today made a good point, I'll try summarize. And for the record, I don't agree with it, nor did he.
-Barry Bonds, barring if he still uses performance enhancing drugs now, used them when most of the other high-names did. And which, at that time, there was nothing wrong with taking steroids. There were no rules against it, so it was okay. Back in the early days players admitted to taking the reds and greens before some games (speed) to pick them up after a road trip, or something. If Bonds is using the drugs now, then yes, this record shouldn't count, because there are rules against it. But if he only did them for the period up until the rule was made, then it's technically, perfectly fine.
Frankly, I don't agree with it.
And personally, if I was any pitcher who respected baseball in any form, I would have intentionally walked Bonds every at bat, for the rest of his career, so he never gets another home run, let alone another hit.
The Germanator
08-08-2007, 03:19 PM
I stopped caring about baseball a long time ago... mainly because MLB not caring about its own image and reputation by allowing drugs to run rampant throught their sport.
Not to keep picking on this point because I agree with you to an extent, but do you not think that the problem could be just as prevalent in the NFL? I assume you still watch the Eagles...(I'm psyched by the way, should be a good year) I don't think steroid abuse would make me stop watching the league but when a player like Shawn Merriman (NFL sack leader despite a 4-game suspension for steroids) is rewarded with a Pro Bowl appearance, I don't think we're sending the right message to anybody and doesn't make it much better than baseball.
I used to have this deep hatred for Bonds like the rest of you. I mean sure, he used steroids. So did so many others though. IMO, hes one of the top 5 players to ever play the game, easily, despite that fact. I dont hate the guy.
I don't think anyone here has a deep hatred for Bonds. I certainly dislike the fact that he most likely used steroids, but I like other parts of his personalities. Hating him doesn't get you anywhere.
Bonds was certainly a hall of fame caliber player before he purportedly used steroids. I don't think anyone would argue his talent. But the rate at which he hit home runs towards the later part of his part is certainly odd.
1) Wrestling does not pretend to be a legitimate sport, its strictly entertainment. Two very different things.
That doesn't change the fact that steroids are still harmful to those who use them though, whether their sport be legitimate or not. I think we should first care about the damage steroids do to one's body, then worry about the sport itself.
2) I rarely watch the biggest offender of steroids, the WWE. I prefer the smaller promotions with unenhanced, but more athletic performers. I also love Japanese wrestling, and many of them barely resemble athletes, as they have a very low emphasis on the cosmetic aspect of American pro-wrestling. All that matters to them in in ring work rate.
Fair enough. The only wrestling I've ever watched is WWF/WCW/WWE, so I really can't comment.
3) Steroid inflated wrestlers tend to suck a wrestlers because their size limits their ability.
Chris Benoit was pretty good, no?
4) To my knowledge, The WWE has never kept an athlete out of their Hall of Fame for breaking one rule (Pete Rose), and then honor another for breaking a much worse one (Barry Bonds*). WWE wins on lack of hypocrisy alone.
But during the time frame that Bonds may have used steroids it wasn't against the MLB's rules, let alone illegal.
Major League Baseball is a sham, a hoax, a play. And unlike professional wrestling they refuse to admit it.
I'll agree that MLB ignored steroids for way too long, and to be honest it was probably because during the influx of steroids they were seeing an influx in the sport's popularity. But MLB now has the harshest steroid policy, and I think the game will be as clean as it can be within a few years.
Typhoid
08-08-2007, 03:50 PM
Strangler, to say wrestling isn't a sport, because it's entertainment (which that form of wrestling is), and then to go around and say "They've never kept someone out of their hall of fame for steroids" is like comparing actors to athletes. Steroids in actors doesn't enhance the performance, in athletes it does. That's why Pete Rose isn't in, and why every wrestler - is.
Wrestlers are actors. They dont need to be super strong, and juiced up to win a match. It's scripted, it's set. It's planned. The size of their arms doesn't determine who wins, or loses.
They don't win by default on hypocrisy, because the two aren't even comparable in this matter.
Sport is up to the players, a show - an act - wrestling - is up to the writers. No amount of steroids will change the next Wresltmania Main event, but it may cost a team the Superbowl.
All I can say is, I wouldn't be nearly as good at WoW if I wasn't constantly juiced.
Angrist
08-08-2007, 04:09 PM
And personally, if I was any pitcher who respected baseball in any form, I would have intentionally walked Bonds every at bat, for the rest of his career, so he never gets another home run, let alone another hit.Haha, you're so mean. :D
TheGame
08-08-2007, 05:04 PM
lol, TONS of people used steriods over the history of baseball. Yet none of them can touch Barry Bonds. People act like he's the only one to use them and that's the reason he stands out.. But in reality he's not even close to the only one using them, but he's the only one breaking records.
Babe ruth and Hank Aaron weren't walked half as many times as Bonds, so lets put an asterick by their records saying how pitchers actually threw pitches over the plate to them.
To me it all just evens out, and baseball sucks regardless. I wouldn't waste my breath hating on the guy.
manasecret
08-08-2007, 05:20 PM
Let's just replace humans with a bunch of robot baseball players and form their own MLRB. That way we have several Babe Robots who hit 5,718,000 ft. homeruns with every swing and gets thousands of homeruns every season. That way super-juiced human players are obsolete, and human baseball players can play safely. That is, until the MLRB players evolve, get greedy, and start to think they could earn just as much money as the MLB players if they just strike for half a season. Then we're doomed. But let's face it as it comes.
Professor S
08-08-2007, 05:45 PM
They don't win by default on hypocrisy, because the two aren't even comparable in this matter.
1) I'm not the one that compared them, Bond was. I was responding to HIS comparison, so please jump on him as well, Mr. Salty Pants.
2) While Actors don't have a Hall of Fame, they do have awards shows, just like the Grammy's, etc.... where a grammy was revoked from Milli Vanilli because they cheated. So I guess even the Grammy's have more integrity than Major League baseball...
Athletics and entertainment are comparable on some level, because they are based on performance. Whether its hitting a ball or playing King Lear, you are performing. Right now I feel that Baseball is a fraud, and will be a fraud, while it tries and convince us its legitimate sport.
Pro wrestling is simulated sport (and unlike what you claim, they do need to be very strong to do what they do. I don't how anyone could think that you wouldn't need to be strong and fit to throw other people around for 30 minutes straight) and does not claim to be anything but a fraud. Therefore, there is no betrayal of trust when it is revealed that steroids are used.
That is where my comparison lies.
Bond, as for steroids not being illegal when all the homeruns were being hit...
the US Congress approved the Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 1990, and accordingly the anabolic steroids are placed into Schedule III of the Controlled Substances Act (CSA).
http://www.anabolicsteroidsguide.com/history-of-anabolic-steroid.html
They have been illegal for quite some time, and have been abused by MLB for quite some time as well. All those home runs, all those records breaking, and it was all a joke.
I have a better question, though, and that is why would anyone believe that steroids are out of baseball? Sure, they "test" them, but what does that mean? WWE "tests" their wrestlers too. That doesn't mean they're clean, and MLB has a long history of decieving their public. It took CONGRESS to put things right again, why wouldn;t they go wrong again shortly afterward?
I'll watch baseball again when Pete Rose is in the Hall of Fame and Barry Bonds is banned from baseball.
Alright, my bad on anabolic steroids. But, the book Game of Shadows (http://www.gameofshadows.com/) alleges Bonds took stanozolol steroids, which weren't illegal in 1990 and still aren't illegal.
In any case, it's all just semantics anyway. Steroids should be eliminated from all sports unless if used for health purposes.
Professor S
08-08-2007, 06:45 PM
You could also argue, ball players or wreslers, that many of the steroids were "prescriptions", but like Bond said, thats just semantics.
Fox 6
08-08-2007, 08:53 PM
I say we erase all of the MLB recods, teams and leagues and just start playing Blurnsball
DarkMaster
08-08-2007, 09:23 PM
Baseball really does suck. We need Blernsball to happen.
Typhoid
08-09-2007, 03:08 AM
You could also argue, ball players or wreslers, that many of the steroids were "prescriptions", but like Bond said, thats just semantics.
Yeah, because we all know that WWE wrestlers are atheletes, right?
Please, WWE wrestlers are acrobats, on juice. Nothing more.
They're glorofied actors who can twist.
As I said before, defend your precious wrestling or not, wrestlers and athletes are not remotely the same thing.
Throw Cena in with an ACTUAL wrestler, see if he stands a chance.
Make the old DX a team of basketball players, and see if they win a game.
make every person wreslting on RAW a hockey team, see how many goals they score.
Stonecutter
08-09-2007, 03:36 AM
A guy on the radio today made a good point, I'll try summarize. And for the record, I don't agree with it, nor did he.
-Barry Bonds, barring if he still uses performance enhancing drugs now, used them when most of the other high-names did. And which, at that time, there was nothing wrong with taking steroids. There were no rules against it, so it was okay. Back in the early days players admitted to taking the reds and greens before some games (speed) to pick them up after a road trip, or something. If Bonds is using the drugs now, then yes, this record shouldn't count, because there are rules against it. But if he only did them for the period up until the rule was made, then it's technically, perfectly fine.
Frankly, I don't agree with it.
And personally, if I was any pitcher who respected baseball in any form, I would have intentionally walked Bonds every at bat, for the rest of his career, so he never gets another home run, let alone another hit.
Random Fact:
Steroids have been illegal in baseball since 1991.
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Professor S
08-09-2007, 09:12 AM
Yeah, because we all know that WWE wrestlers are atheletes, right?
Please, WWE wrestlers are acrobats, on juice. Nothing more.
They're glorofied actors who can twist.
So acrobats aren't athletes? What is your definitionj of athlete? Mine is someone who is athletic.
As I said before, defend your precious wrestling or not, wrestlers and athletes are not remotely the same thing.
I didn't defend my "precious" wrestling, in fact if you have any ability to recall recent conversation, I was one of the most harsh critics of the WWE during the whole Benoit tragedy. There is good wrestling, and bad wrestling. The are wrestlers who use steroids, and those that don't. Yes, they do exist and some of them work on highest levels of the sport. I don't support those that do.
Throw Cena in with an ACTUAL wrestler, see if he stands a chance.
Do you mean a real wrestler like Kurt Angle? He's a pro-wrestler, and he won a gold medal for wrestling in the olympics. Oh wait, I'm sorry, how could he have done that? He's not an athlete, right?
And for the record, I think John Cena is a horrible pro-wrestler. You can be a fan of pro-wrestling and not like 100% of everything surrounding the sport. Its not an all or nothing world, Typhoid.
Make the old DX a team of basketball players, and see if they win a game.
make every person wreslting on RAW a hockey team, see how many goals they score.
Put a football team or a team of gymnasts against a basketball team and hockey team, and who would win in a game of basketball or hockey? Have you ever played a sport? Do you know how they work? Thats the weakest argument I've ever heard.
And why are you harping on wrestling anyway? We're talking about baseball, and I didn't even bring wrestling up! I guess its a good distraction from the fraud of Major League Baseball...
And Typhoid, I'm not sure where all of your hostility is coming from here, well I know its not coming from THIS thread at least. I'll chalk it up to you being bitter over me repeatedly beating you up in thread after thread. Let the anger go, man, its embarrassing.
TheGame
08-09-2007, 10:17 AM
I agree with Mr. S here. Wrestlers are athletes, you don't have to be competing to score the most points, run the fastest, or jump the highest to be an athlete, sometimes you're just judged on how well you use you can preform.
Just because the "winners" and "losers" of wrestling matches are pre determined doesn't mean they're not athletes.
Typhoid
08-09-2007, 10:54 AM
Just because the "winners" and "losers" of wrestling matches are pre determined doesn't mean they're not athletes.
I wouldn't put them in the same catagory as someone who does a sport, or gymnastics however.
I'm not saying anyone can be a wrestler, and I'm not saying being a wrestler is easy, I just don't think they should be compared to football players, soccer players, baseball players, hockey players etc.
This is supposed to be about Bonds and such, though.
Professor S
08-09-2007, 12:01 PM
I wouldn't put them in the same catagory as someone who does a sport, or gymnastics however.
I'm not saying anyone can be a wrestler, and I'm not saying being a wrestler is easy, I just don't think they should be compared to football players, soccer players, baseball players, hockey players etc.
Well I'm not necessarily comparing the sport aspect, but more the ethical aspect. There is no question that wrestling is not a sport, but because its not a sport makes the steroid use a bit more tolerable in my eyes, because there is no competition, only performance.
Sports enhancing drugs used in sporting events makes for an uneven playing field, and lessens the accomplishments of true athletic feats because you canb always say "its not them, its the drugs they're on". It makes the sport fake.
Wrestling has been admittedly staged for almost 80 years, and hasn't pretended to be a true sport. Therefore, its based on fakery and admits to it. Baseball does not and will not. Therein lies the hypocrisy, IMO.
This is supposed to be about Bonds and such, though.
Yes, thank you. Enough about pro-wrestling. (I didn't even bring it up)
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