PS3 Survey

[Professor S]

I've been hearing rumblings and bumblings about possible PS3 defects and let-downs (http://www.penny-arcade.com/), but I wanted to know what you all thought about it who got one.

Anything to report?

[Perfect Stu]

I've been hearing rumblings and bumblings about possible PS3 defects and let-downs (http://www.penny-arcade.com/), but I wanted to know what you all thought about it who got one.

Anything to report?



the people here who got one have no intention of keeping it...they bought it just to sell it on eBay, preventing people who actually want to keep the system from paying suggested retail price.

[Null]

the people here who got one have no intention of keeping it...they bought it just to sell it on eBay, preventing people who actually want to keep the system from paying suggested retail price.


as long as there are people dumb enough to spend that much extra. theres always going to be people doing that.

if people honestly cannot stand to wait untill they find one at a store, and need one THAT badly, then they deserve to spend double the price or more on it.

[Perfect Stu]

as long as there are people dumb enough to spend that much extra. theres always going to be people doing that.

if people honestly cannot stand to wait untill they find one at a store, and need one THAT badly, then they deserve to spend double the price or more on it.


Yes, I understand how supply and demand works. Easy to make a quick buck, why not. Just tell that to the people who waited just as long in line who wanted to keep one for themselves, or give to someone they know as a gift, who now are faced to pay $3000 to the jerkoff two spots ahead of them in line if they want to be able to do just that.

Believe me, the people who are driving up the price deserve to pay just that. But not the people who tried damn hard to buy one at launch but got beat out marginally by a scalper. There's a reason scalping sports tickets is illegal...

[Null]

the people who waited to get one, didnt and now will wait like normal people to get one at its real price. yes. they deserve one.


but im sorry, as long as theres morons out there buying em for this much on ebay. you'd be a fool not to sell it.

i just watched one on ebay, during its final minutes. over 100 bits on it, final price $5000.


many of the people selling im i bet were probably planning on keeping it untill they saw these goofs on ebay paying these prices. right now, getting over 2000 is almost guaranteed. who would keep it when you get get that for it?


plus, its as much sonys fault as it is the people buying and selling em.

[Dylflon]

I might get one in the summer when I'm working full time.

But until then, I'm content with my PS2 and DS.

[DeathsHand]

I doubt this is a widespread issue... But one of the units a local store had as a demo broke 4 hours after they set it up...

Another issue I guess would be that a majority of people who ran out to buy the system are probably going to sell them on eBay...

I dislike it when people do that... My quest to own the Collector's Edition of Burning Blade (to sit it next to my pretty CE of WoW) seems to hit a wall due to the fact that people saw WoW CE's selling for $300+ on eBay when it first came out, and decided they'd pre-order as many Burning Blade CEs as they possibly could so they can keep one and sell the rest (or sell them all)...

And that's not an item you can just "wait to come back in stock like a normal person" for...

Supply and demand, etc... Doesn't mean people who wanted one (but aren't going to spend the insane amount on eBay) will walk away with a big smile on their face thinking "There's always next shipment" (especially when there is no next shipment)...

People are jackasses... Both the ones who sell such items on eBay, and the ones that will pay that much for them...

[manasecret]

People are jackasses... Both the ones who sell such items on eBay, and the ones that will pay that much for them...

I don't get why people still feel this way, though I don't have an unbiased view as I am one of the jackass eBayers.

Okay, you didn't mention PS3 specifically. But even for collector's items, these aren't items you need. Their collector's items for a reason -- i.e. they're worth a lot of money specifically because they are collector's items. You can still play the game.

As for PS3 (Perfect Stu, you're the only one that has made a post against eBayers), can you make a clear statement of why you think eBayers are in the wrong?

The way I see it, all of these eBayers (including myself) are merely providing a nearly identical service as all the Best Buys and Gamestops and Walmarts out there. No one complains that a cold, soulless thing known as a company makes a profit on the PS3, but for some reason it's a horrendous crime when a regular ol' human spends three nights of his own time and life out in the cold to do the exact same.

If you sell on eBay, you're providing a service and that's that.

And say you waited in line for a PS3 just to keep it for yourself while the people behind you in line weren't able to get it; that's selfish as well. If one were truly unselfish you would give up your place in line to the next person.

Yes I know this is armchair economics and morals here. Nevertheless, I am curious as to people's (clear) opinions and arguments on this.

[Perfect Stu]

Providing a service that Wal Mart or Best Buy is? Give me a break.

Look, I understand business. I respect the concept of an open market...it's fantastic. But I think it's morally wrong to step in and be a completely unnecessary middle man that (contrary to what you might think) provides no service whatsoever. If nobody sold PS3's on eBay, people would be able to buy those same systems the same way (online order), or to pick one up in store. So just to step in and drive up the price for the sake of driving up the price is not something I can agree with.

[manasecret]

Hmmm the "unnecessary middleman" is the best way I've heard it put.

However, I disagree that we don't provide a service (despite what you may think).

Start with the facts: the supply of PS3s far and away outweighs the demand from gamers/parents. So continuing from that, the fact is that any gamer/parent that wants a PS3 is going to have to camp out for a day or two or even more. Even if you cut out all of the eBayers, maybe you're cutting off a day of waiting. So no matter what, if a gamer/parent wants a PS3, he/she will have to wait in line for one day at least and possibly several more. Those are the facts (let me know if you disagree).

Some people can't wait those one or two days or more in line for whatever reason, such as they can't miss work, they don't want to wait in the cold, they simply would rather pay more money than waste their time camping -- whatever. However, they still want a PS3.

So instead of waiting in line (which assuming the facts are true, they would have to do even if there were zero eBayers) essentially they are paying me (or another eBayer) to wait in line for them. That's the service.

And from my armchair economics combined with econ 101, a service is a perfectly viable product to sell.

Certainly, some gamers who were willing and/or able to wait in line are then unable to get a PS3 at face value because of eBayers (or at least, as early as they desired). But what makes their desires any more important than the desires of someone who can't or is unwilling to wait so long in line, but who is able to pay more?

To digress, I guess the fact is I'm going to eBay as many PS3s as I can no matter what. I need money, and personally I say boohoo to any gamer that can't get a PS3 on day one. I guess that makes me a selfish bastard.

[DeathsHand]

This reminds me of the theater cleanliness debate... There's no wiggle room, it all just has to do with people's personal moral... morals... Moralically speaking...

Some people say they're not comfortable waiting in line just to get a PS3 to sell to some dumbass on eBay...
Others would call those who wouldn't take advantage of such a profitable opportunity the true dumbasses...

But eh... When it comes to this debate, Stu is doing a better job than I ever could so I'll just shut up...
"There's a reason scalping sports tickets is illegal..."
"unnecessary middle man"
Good show...
I just want my Burning Blade CE :<

[manasecret]

This reminds me of the theater cleanliness debate... There's no wiggle room, it all just has to do with people's personal moral... morals... Moralically speaking...

Some people say they're not comfortable waiting in line just to get a PS3 to sell to some dumbass on eBay...
Others would call those who wouldn't take advantage of such a profitable opportunity the true dumbasses...

But eh... When it comes to this debate, Stu is doing a better job than I ever could so I'll just shut up...
"There's a reason scalping sports tickets is illegal..."
"unnecessary middle man"
Good show...
I just want my Burning Blade CE :<

I was going to say before, but didn't because it's kinda beside my point. Ticket scalping isn't illegal everywhere (in the U.S. scalping laws vary state by state), and in fact many businesses are ticket brokers, which are essentially scalpers.

And I think you're right, I'm not going to change my opinion and I doubt I'll change anyone else's. But I am curious of others' opinions and whether I can refute them, for myself anyway.

BTW, DeathsHand, I was on "your" side of the theater cleanliness, and I thought the other side (led mainly by you there, Professor S) was completely way off base and being complete dicks about leaving their trash around. Now that you say this argument is similar to that one, and now that I'm on the opposite side of the argument, I guess that makes me a complete dick. :wheresthescratchestchinsmilie:

[Professor S]

Our tech department at work spent most of today bidding on PS3's under false identities. They told me they had pushed a bunch of auctions over $10,000 just to jerk around with people that wait in line only to sell them.

[Crash]

heh, now that's wrong. Professor S.


That's being an @$$hole for the sake of being an @$$hole.

[Perfect Stu]

To digress, I guess the fact is I'm going to eBay as many PS3s as I can no matter what. I need money, and personally I say boohoo to any gamer that can't get a PS3 on day one. I guess that makes me a selfish bastard.



It's not like that, man. I dont judge people for doing something like this...that's their business. But I don't respect it, and I think of it as more exploitation than capitalizing on an opportunity. Tom-ay-to, Tom-ah-to. To be perfectly honest, I don't think anyone should be allowed to camp outside of a store. If the demand is huge, sell preorders far in advance and just meet the preorder requests until they run out and you can begin stocking shelves.

I won't accuse you of doing something you shouldn't...what I'm saying is, I don't agree with it. I think it's wrong. You're just as entitled to say its not.

[DarkMaster]

I just want my Burning Blade CE :<
Burning Crusade ;)

[DeathsHand]

I guess that makes me a complete dick. :wheresthescratchestchinsmilie:

Hey now, everyone has a dickish tendency or two.
One of mine would be labeling so many people as dicks.

But eh, whatever... I saw a hilarious clip on the news of hundreds of people stampeding towards a store as it opened... Hundreds of people for something like 20 PS3s...

It's the kind of thing that would make my dad and his type think even lower of the gamer types and their dag blasted gaming devices, acting like such animals to get their hands on the newest, shiniest one.
When in reality, it's probably safe to say that a majority of the people charging at the store are doing so because it's basically like offering $1,000+ to the first 20 people who make it inside (alive)...
That's $1,000+ they can spend on Mexicans to handle their landscaping, South American's to take care of their children, or simply put towards obtaining eternal happiness...

Since when is gaming all about rushing retail outlets to land some easy cash? It used to be about young men in tights striking down big lizards with the aid of their faerie allies, and watching as they explode into a plume of rainbow dust...
What happened to those days, mana? What happened to those days?

Burning Crusade ;)

D'oh!

[Professor S]

heh, now that's wrong. Professor S.


That's being an @$$hole for the sake of being an @$$hole.

I don't think so. I think its giving those people their just desserts. If you wait in line for days on end for a system, it should be out of joy, love and enthusiasm for the product... not the profit you you'll make from it.

Just think if you were some guy who waited in line for days dreaming of a new PS3, only to have the store run out right before your turn, and then you find out that most of the people before you that got one just wanted to sell it on e-bay.

I hope all those auctions are jacked up under false pretenses.

[Jason1]

I don't think so. I think its giving those people their just desserts. If you wait in line for days on end for a system, it should be out of joy, love and enthusiasm for the product... not the profit you you'll make from it.

Just think if you were some guy who waited in line for days dreaming of a new PS3, only to have the store run out right before your turn, and then you find out that most of the people before you that got one just wanted to sell it on e-bay.

I hope all those auctions are jacked up under false pretenses.

Time for me to butt in. I disagree. Those people that waited in line, but were still denied their PS3's, have nobody to blame but SONY. Its SONYs fault for not having enough available at launch. Its their fault for releasing a system before they could meet demand.

[Null]

I don't think so. I think its giving those people their just desserts. If you wait in line for days on end for a system, it should be out of joy, love and enthusiasm for the product... not the profit you you'll make from it.

Just think if you were some guy who waited in line for days dreaming of a new PS3, only to have the store run out right before your turn, and then you find out that most of the people before you that got one just wanted to sell it on e-bay.

I hope all those auctions are jacked up under false pretenses.



say you were the guy that stood in those lines, and waited and waited, out of sheer love and enthusiasm for the product, and couldn't wait to play it because you've been dreaming of it since it was announced....

say you finally got it after that long wait, you paid your $600 and you got it.

then say someone offered you $3000 for it. are you SERIOUSLY telling me you would say no way and take it home instead of the money?

i mean its basically a few thousand dollars give or take, just to wait a few months to buy one at its regular price.



im sure MANY those people on ebay really really WANT the ps3, but when you can get the money the morons are willing to pay on there, they'd be idiots not to.



and jason is right, its sony that is the one they should blame. but certainly not because they couldn't make more, because they could and most likely did. its because they release a limited number for JUST this reason..... to create this kinda hype and demand for the system. its sony that is doing this, not the people on ebay.



(but i have nothing against messing with the people on ebay either, im just saying that many of them probably planned to keep it originally )

[Professor S]

then say someone offered you $3000 for it. are you SERIOUSLY telling me you would say no way and take it home instead of the money?

Hell no. I'd take the money. But the difference here is in intent. If someone came up and offered such crazy money for it, I would accept it, but my intent was still to be in the moment and be a part of the culture of the product. This is far different from someone who just waits in line to sell it.

Case in point: I camped out for Eagles playoff tickets a few years ago (for the infamous Falcons games where 10,000 people campoed out). Everyone there was camping out because of love of the team and wanting to see them in the playoffs the year they were SUPPOSED to win it all. Needless to say, I never got a ticket because I was one of 10,000 waiting for a ticket when only 2,000 were available. I didnt care that much because I got to share in the experience with a bunch of like-minded and equally passionate fans.

That said, if any of us there knew that one of those that got tickets only did so to sell them at a profit, they would have found him in a ditch somewhere. That is a betrayal and a bastardization of everything an Eagles fan is.

The true FANS who wait should be rewarded... not the vultures.

[manasecret]

The true FANS who wait should be rewarded... not the vultures.

And if there were any true Sony fans, I'm sure they'd care.

Since when is gaming all about rushing retail outlets to land some easy cash? It used to be about young men in tights striking down big lizards with the aid of their faerie allies, and watching as they explode into a plume of rainbow dust...
What happened to those days, mana? What happened to those days?

They're still here -- it happened Saturday night on 'til early Sunday morning. You just have to want a Wii.

It's amazing what can happen when a company provides enough units for everyone who wants it.

[Professor S]

And if there were any true Sony fans, I'm sure they'd care.

Thats an odd statement considering [i]true/i] Sony fans have been sabotaging ebay PS3 auctions since launch. Obviously they DO care. Its kind of rediculous to say that there are no true Sony fans, anyway, considering the rabid fanbase that brand has with most video game players.

After all, the PS2 was by far the worst console of last generation, even behind the Dreamcast in many technical catgories, had a vicious hardware failure rate and yet it crushed the competition by millions of units sold. I'd say there are legions of Sony fans.

[Jason1]

The PS2 was behind the dreamcast in some technical categories? Id love to see those spec sheets...

[Professor S]

I forget the exact numbers, but I believe that the main one was that The Dreamcast was able to use more colors or something. I read those sheets years ago and I'd be hard presed to dig them out now. Take it for what you will. The PS2 outspec'd the Dreamcast in most respects, but not nearly to the level you would think considering the difference in generations.

But honestly, compare the two systems graphically on just a layman's test... not much difference until years after the Big D bit the dust. Shenmue alone was a brilliant looking game and comparable to most early PS2 games.

[manasecret]

Thats an odd statement considering [i]true/i] Sony fans have been sabotaging ebay PS3 auctions since launch. Obviously they DO care. Its kind of rediculous to say that there are no true Sony fans, anyway, considering the rabid fanbase that brand has with most video game players.

After all, the PS2 was by far the worst console of last generation, even behind the Dreamcast in many technical catgories, had a vicious hardware failure rate and yet it crushed the competition by millions of units sold. I'd say there are legions of Sony fans.

You're right. What I meant to say was as soon as I can respect anyone who is a true fan of a company that likes to screw them left and right, then maybe I'll start caring.

I really don't care that I'm making gamers wait. Maybe because I'm one of them, so I know they're a bunch of impatient complaining bitches in general anyway so I just don't care to screw them over for what's only a game system. But it's also the fact that they'll be able to buy the console in another three months. It's not like an Eagles game where there's only one playoff game. You won't be able to buy a ticket to the same playoff Eagles game in three months like you can for the PS3.

I wouldn't scalp something I can respect and that's a one-time-thing (sports games, concerts, etc.). I would scalp the Wiis in a second if there was a similar idiotic demand over it.

I wonder, if it was as easy as going to a store and picking it up off the shelf, would you (or anyone else against eBaying the PS3s) -- would you buy and take the new Elmo home to eBay it? What if you could make $600 off of it? You clearly would have no intent of ever playing with it, so it would only be buying it to take it home and make $600 off other people's stupidity.

[Null]

hey, at least people who want the ps3 are getting it. one could say the idiots paying 3000 for one WANT it more then anyone else :P

there are some that buy em just to destroy em and put a video on it on the internet, thats one that no one can have :p






and the DC vs PS2 thing... PS2 was a more powerful console, i mean obviously. even looking at the early games of ps2, it shows (not a huge difference in some cases. but i still thinkit shows). altho one of the main things was just the textures.

DC had some numbers that showed better stats in certain areas on paper yes, but overall ps2 was a more powerful console. in many cases a lower stat in one area is used entirely different by the console as a whole.

[Jason1]

I mean I know the early PS2 games didnt really look much if any better than the Dreamcast's best games at the time. Hell, I still have my Dreamcast. But I always thought that was just because the PS2 was hard to develop for. I still thought it was quite a lot better spec wise on paper.

Then again, there was only a 1 year gap between the two right? Dreamcast was released on 9/9/99 I believe, PS2 around a year later correct?

[Perfect Stu]

I mean I know the early PS2 games didnt really look much if any better than the Dreamcast's best games at the time. Hell, I still have my Dreamcast. But I always thought that was just because the PS2 was hard to develop for. I still thought it was quite a lot better spec wise on paper.

Then again, there was only a 1 year gap between the two right? Dreamcast was released on 9/9/99 I believe, PS2 around a year later correct?



not even a year...PS2 was released in march 2000 in japan

[GameMaster]

I'd just like to tout that Ken Kutaragi originally promised 6 USB ports but as you can see, we are only given 4 USB ports now.

It's little lies and shortcomings like this that serve as nails to PS3's inevitable premature coffin burial.

What a wicked web we weave when we set out to deceive. :nono:

[Perfect Stu]

What a wicked web we weave when we set out to deceive. :nono:


Imagine Barbara Walters saying that...

http://www.bentguy.com/journal/wp-content/Walters_Barbara.jpg

[Typhoid]

I imagine her saying everything.http://static.nexopia.com/smilies/drool.gif

[ominub]

Stood in line for 22 and a half hours and got a PS3 and so far I think its pretty good. Even if it has a problem with some of the older games not working on it. I think they will eventualy fix it. You can update the software easily.

Btw hi guys sorry I havnt been around for quite some time.