View Full Version : Sony praises Wii as well
Teuthida
05-13-2006, 06:23 PM
I think Peter Moore is exactly right. I think Nintendo will be the second system consumers purchase after PlayStation 3.
http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=55089
So now Sony is copying Microsoft. I kid I kid...or do I?
PSWii?
Hahaha.
I really don't know what to think of this.
Other than "ME TOO ME TOO"
Canyarion
05-13-2006, 06:47 PM
Haha Dyne owning Sony. :D
Ginkasa
05-13-2006, 07:33 PM
So, if the Wii is the second system people buy after the PS3 and XBox360, doesn't that mean the Wii is really the first system...
/me shrugs and walks away
So, if the Wii is the second system people buy after the PS3 and XBox360, doesn't that mean the Wii is really the first system...
* Link1130 shrugs and walks away
But Nintendo hasn't said anything about either of them, and if all the PS3 people buy a Wii, and all the 360 people buy a Wii, then together, then the Wii's will be double the sales of each (on average).
It's all faulty logic but they're basically building their hypothesis on the fact their consoles will each come in first.
Teuthida
05-13-2006, 07:42 PM
Microsoft: "Nintendo is hanging out with me"
Sony: "No way, Nintendo is hanging out with me"
Microsoft: "Nintendo and I have been good neighbors for a long time, we're like best friends"
Sony: "Oh yeah, well Nintendo and I used to work together. We had a special bond much closer then friendship"
Microsoft: "Whatever I called Nintendo first"
Sony: "I dont care, Nintendo is mine"
Nintendo: "Guys please...at my price, wii can all play together!"
Microsoft and Sony: "What is your price?"
Nintendo: "..."
...
bobcat
05-13-2006, 08:25 PM
lol how funny
GameMaster
05-14-2006, 03:34 AM
Too late, Sony. Nintendo has already grown beyond your power. It needs the friendship of no one!
thatmariolover
05-14-2006, 12:04 PM
Ha, after they spend the first 5 minutes of their conference inferring the Wii is a gimmick.
Perfect Stu
05-14-2006, 01:21 PM
Ha, after they spend the first 5 minutes of their conference inferring the Wii is a gimmick.
its not a gimmick...but I dont think it's mainstream gaming either (unless you get a PS3 or 360 along with it)...there will always be room for the traditional controller-style system
Jonbo298
05-14-2006, 01:57 PM
Since it seems you can use the GC controller on Wii games via the 'cube area on the Wii, Wii technically is traditional :p
thatmariolover
05-14-2006, 02:54 PM
its not a gimmick...but I dont think it's mainstream gaming either (unless you get a PS3 or 360 along with it)...there will always be room for the traditional controller-style system
Of course there will always be room for the traditional controller. Just like there will always be room for the keyboard and mouse. I think that Nintendo's just showing that there's plenty of room for improvements/alternatives in terms of what can be done with controllers and how games can be played.
Sony called it a Gimmick, now they think it isn't after they got spanked at E3. I'll be getting a 360 and a Wii as of this E3 for a mix of "mainstream" and "gimicky" gameplay.
Nobody's ever missed a chance to criticize Nintendo for when they've made mistakes, it's our turn to gloat; butt out.
Typhoid
05-14-2006, 05:14 PM
Nobody's ever missed a chance to criticize Nintendo for when they've made mistakes, it's our turn to gloat; butt out.
Did you just refer to yourself as Nintendo?
And the Wii will only do good because of the controller. And Nintendo knows that. Nintendo also knows that could be the reason they get ****ed in the ass, which is possibly why they're keeping the "You can use your GC controller!" option open.
And the reason (I believe) it's so cheap, is because it's barely a step up from a Gamecube. It's like an expansion for it. Much like the Expansion pack for the N64, except having nothing to directly do with the Gamecube.
I dont see Nintendo actually having a shot at competing with the 360 or PS3 game wise. Because as I stated before, people who like games with good graphics, will get one of those.
Perfect Stu
05-14-2006, 05:44 PM
Nobody's ever missed a chance to criticize Nintendo for when they've made mistakes, it's our turn to gloat; butt out.
i wouldnt dare interfere...it's highly entertaining
how many times have people around here claimed not to be "Nintendo fanboiz", but now when yall think everything's rosy people start to say "our turn to gloat"
nothing wrong with it, just funny ;)
KillerGremlin
05-14-2006, 06:47 PM
I like being a PC fanboy because you can't not win. The PS3 will be surpassed from a technical standpoint weeks before it is released. And keyboard/mouse is still the most intuitive setup on the market.
I love Nintendo’s franchise titles but Mario wii looks exactly the same as Sunshine, Metroid Prime 3 looks like 2 and 1, and so on. Maybe we’ll see some innovating games within the next few years. I bet Halo 3 looks like Halo 2 as well. Oh man, I can't wait. Grand Theft Auto and Metal Gear always add enough cool stuff to keep the games interesting though. And Nintendo always has its random titles, like Pikmin, that turn out to be much more enticing than Mario's 3rd rendition in 3D.
Jonbo298
05-14-2006, 07:20 PM
Nintendo has already said they aren't in to "compete" with Sony or MS. THey want you to buy one in addition to the other consoles. Thats their goal and alot of people are saying that. I doubt Nintendo is relaly pushing hard for #1 but want you to purchase their console alongside the other offerings. Hence why its a little less powerful, but different from the others, and cheaper.
I dont mind great graphics, but tahts what my PC is for. I get alot more use from my PC then a console would ever give me. Pictures? PC. Music? PC or MP3 Player.
Typhoid
05-14-2006, 07:28 PM
I dont mind great graphics, but tahts what my PC is for. I get alot more use from my PC then a console would ever give me. Pictures? PC. Music? PC or MP3 Player.
Comparing a PC to a Console is like comparing a Leer Jet to a car. Both are modes of transport, but it's not fair to directly compare the two.
Of course your PC will get more use, it can play music, view pictures, use IM, watch videos, store files and all that. A console is strictly (minus music, but who actually uses the Xbox for that) for gaming, you have to keep that in mind.
thatmariolover
05-14-2006, 07:46 PM
Did you just refer to yourself as Nintendo?
And the Wii will only do good because of the controller. And Nintendo knows that. Nintendo also knows that could be the reason they get ****ed in the ass, which is possibly why they're keeping the "You can use your GC controller!" option open.
And the reason (I believe) it's so cheap, is because it's barely a step up from a Gamecube. It's like an expansion for it. Much like the Expansion pack for the N64, except having nothing to directly do with the Gamecube.
I dont see Nintendo actually having a shot at competing with the 360 or PS3 game wise. Because as I stated before, people who like games with good graphics, will get one of those.
I was referring to Nintendo fans; I thought it was obvious, sorry I didn't spell it out (literally).
The Wii will not simply succeed because of the controller; it'll certainly help. But if they succeed it will be because they have games like Mario and Zelda on day one. Because they advertised things the right way. Because they didn't overshoot their tech specs but provided an economically friendly (yet still fun) product. And it will be because of their virtual console.
Nintendo has a lot of things going for them this time around.
i wouldnt dare interfere...it's highly entertaining
how many times have people around here claimed not to be "Nintendo fanboiz", but now when yall think everything's rosy people start to say "our turn to gloat"
nothing wrong with it, just funny ;)
I've never denied being a Nintendo fan. Look at my screen name; do I look like I'm in denial? Certainly I've been more excited about other things this past generation (namely World of Warcraft and a select few Xbox/PS2 titles). But I have an enormous amount of confidence in Nintendo to do things in a contrary yet entertaining way.
I guess if you find it funny, power to you. But you just come off as a pretentious prick to me.
Professor S
05-14-2006, 09:13 PM
The Wii has certainly proved to be a better-thatn-previously-thought console. In fact, its won me over even with my severe doubts in the early goings.
But as for power and market share, lets not overreact.
Essentially Nintendo has not done anything differently in the marketing strategy. Its still the avant-garde hardcore base company it was with the Gamecube and even the N64. Its still pushing dated macots that are only really loved by their existing user base, which are aging.
They are not marketing themselves to the mainstream gaming populace, and this will not equal dominance in the industry. I think they will catch up to both Xbox and PS3 (who I think will move into a tie), but Nintendo isn;t going to re-emerge as the Nintendo of old any time soon.
Jonbo298
05-14-2006, 11:19 PM
Comparing a PC to a Console is like comparing a Leer Jet to a car. Both are modes of transport, but it's not fair to directly compare the two.
Of course your PC will get more use, it can play music, view pictures, use IM, watch videos, store files and all that. A console is strictly (minus music, but who actually uses the Xbox for that) for gaming, you have to keep that in mind.
Sony and MS seem to not say that. They want you to think their console can do everything for you. I don't want that. I have a PC to do everything and play PC games. I want a gaming console to play games on. Not do things my PC already does.
Yes, some people do use their consoles for the extra things but I dont want to justify the extra money on things I'll rarely use.
I love Nintendo’s franchise titles but Mario wii looks exactly the same as Sunshine, Metroid Prime 3 looks like 2 and 1, and so on. Maybe we’ll see some innovating games within the next few years. I bet Halo 3 looks like Halo 2 as well. Oh man, I can't wait. Grand Theft Auto and Metal Gear always add enough cool stuff to keep the games interesting though. And Nintendo always has its random titles, like Pikmin, that turn out to be much more enticing than Mario's 3rd rendition in 3D.
Hey now, that's not fair at all. Mario Galaxy inparticular looked leaps and bounds better than Sunshine. Sunshine was a framerate-retarded low-res texture playground. Galaxy improves on it, and has superior lighting. Metroid Prime 3 is a little more understandable, but this time around they have more polys and textures to play around with, because they already have a solid engine. But what they showed looked the same.
Basically it's not fair to pass off something you saw in a trailer as similar graphics until you see the difference on a home-rig with your own eyes. Trailers can only show so much.
EDIT:
http://www.insertcredit.com/reviews/sunshine/img/4.jpg
http://www.themushroomkingdom.net/images/ss/ss_sms_pre90.jpg
http://www.themushroomkingdom.net/images/ss/ss_sms_pre192.jpg
Versus:
http://revolutionmedia.ign.com/revolution/image/article/707/707184/super-mario-galaxy-20060510013228047.jpg
http://members.chello.nl/a.sultan1/mario2.jpg
http://members.chello.nl/a.sultan1/mario1.jpg
http://members.chello.nl/a.sultan1/mario3.jpg
KillerGremlin
05-14-2006, 11:57 PM
Fair enough, but I want to play it. :p
It definitely caught my eye, but I'm hoping it's more interesting to play through than Sunshine. It probably will be. Nintendo said good things about it and it seems to be getting positive feedback.
MuGen
05-15-2006, 10:37 AM
just in rebuttle to some of the comments made here...
how does Sony go from dominating 66% of the industry to having a tie with Microsoft in 1 generation? That's highly improbable... if you had any sense of business ethics or marketing you'd know for a fact that a strangehold on the market of 50% of more is a tough percentage to beat.
Even if you take price into consideration you've still got more than 100 million PS2 owners who will trade in their PS2's for like $60 towards the purchase of the PS3. The ps3 has the added value of 99.9% backwards compatibility. I've got 3 PS2's sitting here waiting to be traded in for the PS3 and whats more I can still play my PS2 games on it, and have an awesome next-gen console.
Also I keep hearing things about the Virtual Console being a seller for the Wii..... Honestly thats down the drain at this point. With the hackability of the PSP and the interface of the PS3 being the same... and with Linux on the HDD... you can bet that people will be playing more than just NES classics on the PS3... all the other emulators out for Linux..... I kid you not.
Canyarion
05-15-2006, 02:41 PM
So you think that illegal hacking of PS3 can compete with the legal Nintendo virtual console? :D
There's one important point you're missing: People are lazy. Sure, emulation is rampant, but most people don't want to go find out how to do all that. Nintendo and Microsoft's services hand it to you on a silver platter.
DarkMaster
05-15-2006, 02:57 PM
So you think that illegal hacking of PS3 can compete with the legal Nintendo virtual console? :D
Are you asking if people would rather pay for something or get it for free?
Canyarion
05-15-2006, 03:33 PM
I don't see people buying a PS3 because they know they can hack it and play emulated games. Only some geeks will.
MuGen
05-15-2006, 03:50 PM
don't mind me when I saw hacking isn't illegal because Linux is open source ahem..
BreakABone
05-15-2006, 04:09 PM
just in rebuttle to some of the comments made here...
how does Sony go from dominating 66% of the industry to having a tie with Microsoft in 1 generation? That's highly improbable... if you had any sense of business ethics or marketing you'd know for a fact that a strangehold on the market of 50% of more is a tough percentage to beat.
Even if you take price into consideration you've still got more than 100 million PS2 owners who will trade in their PS2's for like $60 towards the purchase of the PS3. The ps3 has the added value of 99.9% backwards compatibility. I've got 3 PS2's sitting here waiting to be traded in for the PS3 and whats more I can still play my PS2 games on it, and have an awesome next-gen console.
Also I keep hearing things about the Virtual Console being a seller for the Wii..... Honestly thats down the drain at this point. With the hackability of the PSP and the interface of the PS3 being the same... and with Linux on the HDD... you can bet that people will be playing more than just NES classics on the PS3... all the other emulators out for Linux..... I kid you not.
Well there are several factors that are much different this time around.
1)MS is the first one out the gate. Granted, you could compare it to the DC, but MS has a very solid lead thus far and has delivered some truly great games for people. Along with support from EA.
2)Support from EA by the time PS3 comes out, 360 will have 2 next-gen versions of Madden, I just don't see people waiting if they play and look pretty similar.
3)You've got to be kidding yourself if you believe the people who bought a ps2 will show enough brand loyalty to buy a ps3 for 600 bucks. Granted its not a problem for the first year as the diehards will buy it anyhow.
4)Emulation is not a big selling point for the PSP because most people don't know how to do it. Heck, most people don't know how to do it on their computers. And its not something advertiseable. Since it is illegal. Nintendo and MS can show it off in commercials or magazines and make it easy for people to buy.
5) The Wii. It may be a second console for some and a dominate one for others. But unlike last gen or the gen before it, Nintendo offers a clear alternative.
Perfect Stu
05-15-2006, 04:15 PM
again, are people saying that 360 and Wii will each dominate the PS3 in sales? because thats what it sounds like, only people arent making any concrete predictions...it's real easy to talk if you dont back it up with something that you go out on a limb with
BreakABone
05-15-2006, 04:38 PM
again, are people saying that 360 and Wii will each dominate the PS3 in sales? because thats what it sounds like, only people arent making any concrete predictions...it's real easy to talk if you dont back it up with something that you go out on a limb with
I can't speak for the rest of them, but I was just saying you can't expect sony to sell anywhere close to what the ps2 sold.
Perfect Stu
05-15-2006, 04:42 PM
I can't speak for the rest of them, but I was just saying you can't expect sony to sell anywhere close to what the ps2 sold.
...<30 million, then? <40 million?
Teuthida
05-15-2006, 05:47 PM
Well see...this time when someone's PS3 breaks are they gonna shell out another $600 like during the PS2 era. That is unless they're made better this time around. A damn popular system but a lot of those sales were from people buying another.
Perfect Stu
05-15-2006, 06:19 PM
Well see...this time when someone's PS3 breaks are they gonna shell out another $600 like during the PS2 era. That is unless they're made better this time around. A damn popular system but a lot of those sales were from people buying another.
haha...a very little percentage of PS2 sales were 2nd systems...unless you have the data to prove otherwise, of course
even if it was something ridiculous like 25%, (Im guessing it was <5% easily), it still blew away the competition. show respect.
Canyarion
05-15-2006, 06:44 PM
Don't forget, in Japan they don't have bricks like we do.
The fact that PS2 continues to outsell Xbox and X360 indicates Sony has a large enough fan base to prosper in the next gen, even if they are not quite as dominant as they were before. MS's headstart and lower price will definitely help them, but it won't be enough.
Jonbo298
05-15-2006, 08:43 PM
Well duh, everyone knows of Sony's dominance. But for how long? Thats the question everyone is waiting to see in about 2-3 years from launch. We can speculate all we want but we wont know for 2-3 years who is more successful I guess.
Teuthida
05-15-2006, 08:58 PM
The fact that PS2 continues to outsell Xbox and X360 indicates Sony has a large enough fan base to prosper in the next gen, even if they are not quite as dominant as they were before. MS's headstart and lower price will definitely help them, but it won't be enough.
Nintendo had a pretty strong holding with SNES...that transferred over real well...
Nothing lasts forever. Nintendo was once king and then Sony came. Because Sony is on top now doesn't mean they'll always be. Circle of life and all that jazz.
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