Conspiracy?

[MasterMind]

I'm not sure if this has been posted before or not, but I just ran across this recently. Great video that does get you thinking.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848&q=loose+change&pl=true


Watch and discuss. Opinions?

*edit, its a long video.

[Professor S]

This is nothing new, and uses specious reasoning at best. Oh , and I found the music to be hilariously "evil". What it breaks down to is whether or not you want to believe that your government is the most evil force on the planet. If you do, then everything in that video will make complete sense.

If you don't, or are at least objective, you'll notice the illogical comparisons, correlations and downright silly accusations with little to back them up besides facts stretched so this and maniulated so perversely you could hardly call them facts anymore.

Did the US drop the ball with 9/11? Certainly. Did they attack their own people so that Bush could start wars that didn't need to happen at the time? Lets not be stupid. Notice I used stupid, and not silly or misinformed.

STUPID. IDIOTIC. MORONIC.

When you try and make a case like this, all you do is invalidate any logical argument against the Bush administration you might have. Poeple just won't listen to you.

[manasecret]

I haven't watched it yet I'm in a rush and I should probably wait to post.

I agree with Strangler that if a conspiracy by Bush to kill our own people to start a war is what's being insinuated then it's stupid.

However, I just watched a video of a seminar at Brigam Young University about how the towers fell. One Dr. Steve Jones a professor of physics I believe there at BYU, gave the seminar. This link might be the same video, I'm not sure if they're exactly the same, but the seminar itself is probably the same. http://www.911blogger.com/2006/02/dr-steven-jones-utah-seminar-video.html

There are a lot of scientific holes in the official story of what brought the towers down. For example, there was molten metal found in the basement of not just the twin towers but also the WTC 7 building which collapsed inexplicably, inexplicably even by I believe FEMA's report which can't explain it. Jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel or iron, and anyway there was no jet fuel in the WTC 7 building yet it collapsed.

Well I've already taken more time than I should have.

My point is, I've always thought the same thing, conspiracy theories are bunk. But there seem to be some true scientific holes in the official theory of how the three buildings collapsed, holes that are being backed up with real science not just conspiracy theories. And I think it's right to ask questions when the science behind the official story doesn't make any sense.

[Professor S]

That is curious. If you want to see video of the collapse, see here http://www.wtc7.net/videos.html

It looks like a planned implosion, leading me to believe that the structural weakness was near the base of the building. The towers went down from the top down... not so with 7.

Odd, I will look more into this.

EDIT: Ok, I've looked more into this and its stupid too and doesn;t stand up to even a shallow analysis.

The accusation is that WTC 7 was demolished with explosives, as well as the towers, in conjunction with the airplane strikes. They make this argument using grainy footage of small explosions that appeared on the surface of the buildings as they came down, called "squibs".

This could make sense as a theory if it were not for the following:

1) When thousands of pounds of building is collapsing on itself, the sheer airpressure created is enough to blow out windows.

2) The amount of explosives needed is huge to do this. Are you telling me that the tens fo thousands of people wo worked in those building never founds any of the charges?

3) The tower collapses did not look like a professional demo job. Large chunks peeled off the sides and the area of debris was huge.

This is not to say that WTC 7 wasn't demo'd. It may have been, but at leasy that would make sense. It was on fire and had a lot of damage. If the government did demo the building, why didn't they explain it? That is another interesting story I'd like to know if it is true.

[KillerGremlin]

What do you make of the cell phone calls? To me that seemed like the strongest point, cell phones and planes sucked a few years ago.

[Jonbo298]

I've seen a different 9/11 conspiracy video recently that got deep into the physics in explaining why it was a demo'd job for the towers and WTC7. From what I could tell, it looked very believable in their evidence it was demo'd.

Once alot of these videos/documentary's started hitting, I've become aware that the Government is covering something up. I'm just not some great scientific person to explain it.

[Dyne]

911 was a reminder, to me, that 1984 will forever ring true.

[Professor S]

Well in order for the argument to be made that 9/11 was planned and acted on by the US government, several things must also be true:

1) Osama Bin Laden and Al Quaeda (I know I'm spelling that wrong) are employees of the United States since they have taken credit for everything and are willing conspirators.

2) Al Quaeda attacks on US property, going back nearly two decades, were all planned by the US is preparation for 9/11.

3) Since the attacks span several presidencies by two separate political organizations, our polical process is a ruse and we are constantly manipualted by a shadow government that is most likely headed by the boards of all the major corporations.

4) We can only be saved from this cladestine manupulation and corruption by Chuck Norris when he repels down the side of Mount Rushmore and crashes through the giant glass window of the shadow goverment's board room and kills them all with his AK-47 (with grenade launcher attachment). I imagine his clever one liner to be something like this: "better call 911, f**kers" and then he blows them all to smithereens.

Yes, it makes for an exciting action thriller, but I doubt thats what really happened.

Like I stated before... if you think that the United States is the greatest evil in the world, you will lap this conspiracy nonsense up as if it were unfettered truth.

If you have an ounce of objectivity in your body, you'll make the quick logical analysis that I just numbered, and recognize it for what it really is: Rubbish.

[Happydude]

i think the biggest point to look at would the the petagon. judging from the confiscated videos and the pictures, i would say that's the strongest peice of evidence against the government that validates it being an inside job. why would they need to confiscate the tapes and never release them if what they're saying is true?

and a lot of these conspiracy theories are coming from US citizens as far as i can tell. not from any other countries, because nobody else really cares that much, the people of the US want to get to the bottom of this case and make sure that they are not being lied to by the government. persoanlly, i beleive that bush did in fact plan all this (with help ofcourse) just so he cna go to war with the middle east just for the oil. but that's just my opinion.

but then what happens when the oil is gone, will there be another war for something else? hell, what would happen when they do capture osama, if they haven't allready? wouldn't there be another person to rise up and take his place, and then another one after that?

as for terrorist attacks, i don't believe that they occre because of some "holy war" over religion, because as far as i can tell nobody is forcing anybody to change their religion or anything like that and that everyone on the planet still has a right to chose what religion they would like to be. so why the terrorism? what happens if al-queda (SP?) succeeds in bombing the white house with the president? will they be happy enough to stop or would they keep going until they've whiped out the US entirely? or is it their way in trying to take over and they're just waiting for the US to surrender?

personally i've also always beleived that the president is only there to conceal the true identity of the person/people in charge. i beleive that the government (if not hte world) is controled by a higher power, now i know it's a naive thing to think but what are the odds that it could be true? bush seems to be too stupid to run a country and if 911 was truely planned by the US then he is even stupider than first thought. for if information does get out that it WAS planned by the US government he will not only be thrown out of the white house, he will want to be killed by thousands of people who's relatives died in the attack. not to mention the people who would support the cause and people hwo are currently against the war.

what i think should happen is there should be one person or a group of people that have full control of the planet, and unite all the countires under one government. yes that would require the countries to agree to one set of rules and cuba/north korea won't be outstanding anymore, but if it would solve all the problems of the world and everything will be shared between everybody, then i say why not? if not one person to be in control, then why not a group of peope? all from different countries but have an equal power on all the countries in the world? there wouldn't be any all out wars because everything will be under one control. there would be no need for a war to get oil from iraq because a decision could be made to share it witht he rest of the world. not as unfair as that might seem for iraq, it would stop a lot of people from dying, and wouldn't that be enough justification?

another thing one government would also allow is one currency to be used all around the world. every country would be equal. no more starving people in russia/africa, and all coutries would receive products at the same prices at the same time. and if some of you are wondering what having no wars and no people dying of starvation would do to our over-population issue, there could always be a law against having a lot of children. now yes that is cruel for some people and some religions/cultures do "require" you to have a lot of children, but again, it would help the entire planet in the long run. or if you did want to have a lot of kids there could be a tax or something.

my point is, that this whole planet is going to hell in leaps and bounds. and if something isn't done soon about USA's power, middle east's terrorist attacks and poverty all over the world, the end of this planet will come from us, not from any meteors or natural disasters.



and those are my 2 cents.


P.S. i think that's the longest post i have ever made in my entire life.

[Jonbo298]

Holy shat balls Prof S, I wasnt saying anything along hte lines that I think the Government set it ALL up but I have a strong feeling that they did have some kind of charges inside the Towers that they decided to pull the switch on. Why no one ever noticed that? Who knows...we may never know the full truth except what hte Government wants us to see as the truth.

[MrCoffee]

Eh, I'm not so sure...most of this stuff could be true, lots of it could not, I think there is something suspicious going on though.

[Professor S]

Holy shat balls Prof S, I wasnt saying anything along hte lines that I think the Government set it ALL up but I have a strong feeling that they did have some kind of charges inside the Towers that they decided to pull the switch on. Why no one ever noticed that? Who knows...we may never know the full truth except what hte Government wants us to see as the truth.

Honestly, I was just trying to be funny, and anything with Chuck Norris is comic gold. :D Also, if you didn't mean to imply the things that I mentioned, you should maybe dilineate your opinions a little more before just making the generic 1984 comparison.

I do think that WTC 7 was probably demo'd by the US government as it collapsed in the afternoon, hours after the initial attacks which would give time to set them (I guess), and after fires had ripped through the building and everyone had been evacuated to a safe distance. Why they wouldn't talk about it, i have no idea. As for the government having explosive charges set in the towers just in case of a terrorist attack... are you serious? The towers were designed to implode in the case of structural damage to keep them from toppling into other buildings. They were also designed to withstand a crash from a 707, just not a 747.

A lot of things happened that day and the days after that are conspicuous, but could any of us no exactly what to do or what would happen when 2 747's crash into two of the biggest buildings in the world.