Best and Worse

[BreakABone]

Well I think we did this back at the old GT before that shudown. But um,


Anyhow the categories below. You pick what you think was some of the best and some of the worse:

Factions
Faction Rivalries
World Champions
Secondary Champ (US/IC)
Tag Title
Light Heavyweight
Feuds
World title Feuds
IC feuds

[nWoCHRISnWo]

Just American pro wrestling...

Factions: The 4 Horseman, nWo, and Hart Foundation ('97, not the tag team) were my favs. I also liked when ECW reformed in WWF last year, but other than that one night on Raw, it wasn't anything special as even later that night they went with WCW. Some factions like Truth Commission, DOA, and others were just plain crap. And some factions I liked that just aren't in nWo, 4 Horseman, or Hart Foundation's League are the Nation of Domination, Million Dollar Team, Corporation, Corporate Ministry, Faces of Fear... I loved The Hart Foundation vs USA feud, the gang wars a few years ago in WWF were watchable, nWo vs WCW when it was still fresh was great...

World Champions: Bret Hart as a WWF champ, Flair as a NWA/WCW champ, Hogan as a WCW and WWF champ, Triple H made the belt seem more prestigious on his heel run... Some bad ones include Diesel, Sid, and the obvious (Vince, Arquette, etc.)

Secondary Champions: Razor Ramon, Jeff Jarret, Shawn Michaels, Mr. Perfect, Bret Hart, the Mountie (he was hi****inglarious), Savage, Honkey Tonk Man, Benoit, Jericho, DDP, RVD (TV title)... Some bad ones are Duggan, Regal...

Tag Team Champions: Hart Foundation, Owen/Bulldog, the Rockers, LOD and Demolition (as a little mark, these teams were cool as hell), Edge and Christian, Brainbusters, Strike Force

Light Heavyweight Champions: Ummm... Not many at all. In WCW there were a lotta guys I liked as crusierweights though like Rey, Juvy, 3 Count, Jung Dragons, etc.

Feuds: Bret Hart/Owen Hart, Flair/Steamboat, Angle/Austin, Austin/Benoit, Benoit/Jericho, Guerrero/Malenko, Flair/Savage, Bret Hart/Austin, Bret Hart/Michaels, Michaels/Ramon...

[BigJustinW]

Originally posted by BreakABone
Well I think we did this back at the old GT before that shudown. But um,


Anyhow the categories below. You pick what you think was some of the best and some of the worse:

Factions
Faction Rivalries
World Champions
Secondary Champ (US/IC)
Tag Title
Light Heavyweight
Feuds
World title Feuds
IC feuds

Factions:
Best-The Corperation (as much as I love the nWo, the corperation kicked so much ass)
Worst-The group ran by Eddie Guerro, LWO

Faction Rivalrys:
Best- WCW/ECW vs WWF (never EVER thought it would happen)
Worst- 4 Horsemen vs. Anybody

World Champions:
Best- Triple H (the heel version)
Worst- Ric Flair when he last got it in WCW

Secondary Champs:
Best- Triple H that last time he won the US title
Worst- Chyna (IC title)

Tag Title:
Best- The Outsiders
Worst- The Hardyz

Light Heavywieght:
Best- Rey Mysterio Jr
Worst- I don't even want to think about it

Feuds:
Best- Austin vs McMahon or Jericho vs Steph
Worst- Big Show vs Triple H

World title feuds:
Best- Triple H vs Austin
Worst- Booker T vs Austin

IC feuds:
dunno, don't care either

[Matusha]

How is HHH better than Graham or Yoko?Superstar Graham had the belt for 10 months when heels only had belts about a month.HHH over Yoko?Crazy.Check his 1993.He was definitely wrestler of the year and easily one of the best heel world champions.

Best World Champions:Hulk Hogan,Randy Savage,Ric Flair(NWA),Ultimate Warrior,Bruno Sammartin(8 years),Superstar Billy Graham,Bret Hart,Yokozuna,Harley Race,Steve Austin,Triple H,Goldberg

Secondary:Tito Santana,Honky Tonk,Bret Hart,Savage,Warrior,HBK,Scott hall

Tag Teams:Edge & Christian,LOD,Demolition,Hart Foundation.

Best Feuds: Triple H vs. Rock,Savage vs. Warrior,Michaels vs. Hart

[Rick_Blaze]

The best tag team ever is the Japanese tandem of Toshiaki Kawada and Akira Taue. Second best is also the Japanese tandem of Mitsuhara Misawa and Kenta Kobashi. 3rd the Midnight Express team of Stan Lane and Bobby Eaton. The best feud has to be Hogan and Savage from the 1980's

[Professor S]

BigJustin, I believe you have shown your youth in your post here.

By saying that the WORST faction feuds were the 4 Horsemen vs. anybody, it is revealed that you only know the mediocre (I didn't think it was THAT bad... ok Mongo McMichael did suck) mid-late 90's version. The 4 Horsemen basically INVENTED the "wrestling faction" phenomenon in the mid-eighties and are considered one of the greatest gimmicks of all time. Their feuds with Sting (the OLD Sting, when he was cool and didn't steal his gimmick from bad movies), Magnum TA, Nikita Koloff, The Road Warriors (LOD to the wrestling newbies) from the Mid-South/NWA are legendary.

Saying that Ric Flair was the worst world champion of all time is simply ludicrous. To only consider his last (15th title run I believe) is also ludicrous. He is perhaps one of the greatest in ring performers of all time and one of the most respected world champions around the world. If you wanted to pick the worst world champ, I think DAVIS ARQUETTE fits the bill a little better that Ric Flair.

IC Title feuds... I almost virtually smacked you when you didn't even consider it. Anyone remember Mr. Perfect vs. Bret Hart? Randy Sabage vs, Ricky Steamboat? I feel so OLD!:(

Tag Teams. The Brainbusters, The Midnight Express, The Rock and Roll Express, The Rockers, Demotlition, The Road Warriors (NOT the LOD version), The Assassins, Bruiser Brody and Stan Hansen, Abdullah the Butcher and The Original Shiek and Toshiaki Kawada and Akira Taue. I'll even say The Dudley Boyz. THESE are what great tag teams are made of...
Blind tags, quick double teams, quick tags, matches that use the tag team match as a showcase for a TEAM and not for the individual wrestlers. Sadly that seems to be a thing of the past.

Worst tag team? BILLY AND CHUCK. KILL THEM BOTH... KILL THEM NOW...

Well, I guess I shouldn't take this stuff so seriously considering its just people's opinions about wrestling... but he Ric Flair and 4 Horsemen things just PISSED ME OFF:D

[BigJustinW]

Originally posted by The Strangler
BigJustin, I believe you have shown your youth in your post here.

By saying that the WORST faction feuds were the 4 Horsemen vs. anybody, it is revealed that you only know the mediocre (I didn't think it was THAT bad... ok Mongo McMichael did suck) mid-late 90's version. The 4 Horsemen basically INVENTED the "wrestling faction" phenomenon in the mid-eighties and are considered one of the greatest gimmicks of all time. Their feuds with Sting (the OLD Sting, when he was cool and didn't steal his gimmick from bad movies), Magnum TA, Nikita Koloff, The Road Warriors (LOD to the wrestling newbies) from the Mid-South/NWA are legendary.

I know the mid 80's version, but I've seen the late 90's version... and from what I have seen, they are crap.

Saying that Ric Flair was the worst world champion of all time is simply ludicrous. To only consider his last (15th title run I believe) is also ludicrous. He is perhaps one of the greatest in ring performers of all time and one of the most respected world champions around the world.

Now you are just evading on my opinion. Understand this... I DON'T LIKE RIC FLAIR... is that so hard to understand? If I said The Rock was the worst Champion, it means I DON'T LIKE THE ROCK... get it?

[Professor S]

Yeah, sorry about that. I was at work when I wrote that, hence the bad mood. Didn't mean to rip into you so bad.

My main issue is that you were judgng the 4 Horsemen and Ric Flair based on their later, far inferior work. The Tully Blanchard 4 Horsemen and young Ric Flair are FAR different from their later versions.

Its the equivalent of only watching the Buster Douglas vs. Mike Tyson fight, watch Tyson get his ass knocked out, and then calling him one of the worst fighters of all time. Forget about the fact that he was the youngest champ of all time and destroyed all comers for a what seemed like an eternity, you only saw the Buster Douglas fight so he must have always sucked and is the worst champ of all time. See what I'm saying? You don't have a large enough point of reference to make an educated opinion on the subject.

Please, in the future if you are going to rip the 4 Horsemen, specify which version you are ripping into. There have been many, but if you had seen the original incarnation I don't believe you would be so harsh. If you just generalize it and include versions that you have never seen you are judging gimmicks that you have never seen, which is ignorant.

I'll even give you that you have seen enough of Flair's work to hate him, but you have to admit that you MUST have forgotten about David Arquette when you wrote that... I mean... COME ON NOW. No one compares to him in the realm of sucky champs.:D