First Blu-ray Drive by Pioneer Q1 2006

[MuGen]

Pioneer Electronics has announced the industries first Blu-ray Disc computer drive, sporting Blu-ray burning, for the first quarter of 2006

The new Pioneer BDR-101A will utilize shorter wavelength blue lasers in order to store up to 25 gigabytes of information on a single layer Blu-ray Disc.

Andy Parsons, senior vice president, Pioneer Electronics, USA, said, "Storage capacity in a stable medium is critical. A few years ago, no one could imagine needing more storage than available on a CD-R. Yet today, we need multiple DVDs just to back up the numerous photo and video files on our computers. Blu-ray Disc technology fulfills the rapidly growing need for more storage space and Pioneer is proud to be one of the first companies bringing it to market."

The BDR drive will be extremely fast compared to prior formats debut drives: 1xCD (0.18MB/s), 1xDVD (1.39MB/s), and 1xBD (4.56MB/s). The rotational speed reached by a 2x read Blu-ray drive is equivalent to 6.59x DVD or 51.73x CD.

The BDR-101A Blu-ray Disc/DVD writer will read BD-ROM/R/RE at 2x.
DVD-ROM/DVD-R/DVD-RW and +R/+RW discs are also supported to be read.

It offers write speeds of 2X for BD-R/RE, 8X for DVD-R/+R and 4X for DVD-RW/+RW

The drive also supports DVD-R DL and DVD+R DL, while CD-R, CD-RW and DVD-RAM are not supported.

Article: http://www.ps3portal.com/?view=article&article=238


The evolution of storage mediums is slowly becoming... reality :cool:

[GameMaster]

We must resist this, everyone!

DVD medium is still great! Don't let it be destroyed!

[Perfect Stu]

We must resist this, everyone!

DVD medium is still great! Don't let it be destroyed!


Blu-Ray wont destroy DVD...Blu-Ray drives will have DVD playback

it's not a replacement, but an evolution

[MuGen]

lol which is why I said Evolution, and not Revolution... that and I tried to stay away from the REVOLUTION term being as thats Nintendo's gimmick right now.

[KillerGremlin]

So....if these aren't too expensive, I'll definitely be picking one up by the end of the year. I've been looking for practicle ways to back up my music, and I don't really want to use 30 DVDs.

[MuGen]

Yeah but i'm kinda wondering how much the blank ones will be. Prices have significantly be slashed for CD-R's now.... DVD's are now at a bargain price and BRD? hmm ...

I predict blank BRD's to go for $49.99 for a pack of 20 or something.
But then you could fit thousands of songs or large packets of info in there...

Either way.... movies will eventually make their leap to BRD, considering how many movies they have now for the UMD format for PSP. So eventually buying a PS3 will become a option for kids, teens, and adults alike. This is what happened when PS2 launched with the DVD player.... it was a hot selling point.

[Jonbo298]

2x BDR...Nope, not buying it yet. Those speeds will take forever to burn an entire disc. If its only comparable to 51x CD-R and it takes 2-3 minutes to burn a single CD...I dont want to imagine how long it would take with that :eyes:

Oh..and good job by the way taking a jab at a company thinking outside the box ;)

[Null]

2x BDR...Nope, not buying it yet. Those speeds will take forever to burn an entire disc. If its only comparable to 51x CD-R and it takes 2-3 minutes to burn a single CD...I dont want to imagine how long it would take with that :eyes:

Oh..and good job by the way taking a jab at a company thinking outside the box ;)


you gotta remember, they've already stated that both BRD and HDDVD drives read thier discs MUCH faster then DVD drives do.

so a 2x BRD might be comparable to current DVD speeds.

2x one format doesnt equal 2x another format. people used to think the same thing about DVD drives, "well how come a DVD drive says it reads at 16x while a CD drive reads over 50x, isnt that much slower?"
different drives, different forms of measurment.

[Teuthida]

We must resist this, everyone!

DVD medium is still great! Don't let it be destroyed!

What we have to do is go rogue and set up a secret VCR/VHS manufacturing facility.

[MuGen]

*...What...we've got here is.......failure to communicate...
some men you just can't reach
so you get what we had here last week
which is the way he was
well.....*
~Civil War, GUns n' Roses

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

[Null]

ahem.. "which is the way he wants it.... well, he gets it."

[Teuthida]

*I’ve got a lovely bunch of coconuts
There they are all standing in a row
Big ones, small ones, some as big as your head
Give them a twist, a flick of the wrist
That’s what the showman said*
~I've Got a Lovely Bunch of Coconuts, Fred Heatherton

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

[Perfect Stu]

*...What...we've got here is.......failure to communicate...
some men you just can't reach
so you get what we had here last week
which is the way he was
well.....*
~Civil War, GUns n' Roses

Hmmmmmmmmmmm



"What we have here is failure to communicate"


http://www.postcardsfromprison.com/p7805.jpg


-1967

[Jonbo298]

No..I meant if you compare the fact it takes 2-3 minutes roughly for a 52x CD Burner to burn a full CD, and that BRD is ALOT higher then that, the burn times are going to be very high.

I'm not purposely screwing up my math if I am. I'm comparing the fact that 2x of anything media related is "slow" even if brand new.

Would you buy a 2x CD burner or 2x DVD burner? ;) I'm gonna wait until probably at least 4x since its a ltitle better off. Hell, we arent even close to 52x for DVD's :p

[Null]

you have no idea the value of the speed yet..

you could be right

OR, 1x BRD could be as fast as a 54x CD. and 2x is twice as fast.

a bit unrealistic maybe.. However, isnt the highest speed for burning a DVD still at just 16x, and thats almost as fast as it is to burn a full CD. so taken into account that a full DVD is 4gb, and a full CD 800mb... then 16x DVD is a whole lot faster then 54x CD.
stands to reason that the newer formats are going to be faster and therefor have a lower number.




BTW.. 2 or 3min? i burn a full CD in 30sec.

[MuGen]

"What we have here is failure to communicate"
-1967

I was taking it from the actual song.. and thats for the clarification Null I really wasn't sure what he said there..

EDIT:

Link:http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/#1.7

According to the Blu-ray Disc specification, 1x speed is defined as 36Mbps. However, as BD-ROM movies will require a 54Mbps data transfer rate the minimum speed we're expecting to see is 2x (72Mbps). Blu-ray also has the potential for much higher speeds, as a result of the larger numerical aperture (NA) adopted by Blu-ray Disc. The large NA value effectively means that Blu-ray will require less recording power and lower disc rotation speed than DVD and HD-DVD to achieve the same data transfer rate. While the media itself limited the recording speed in the past, the only limiting factor for Blu-ray is the capacity of the hardware. If we assume a maximum disc rotation speed of 10,000 RPM, then 12x at the outer diameter should be possible (about 400Mbps). This is why the Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA) already has plans to raise the speed to 8x (288Mbps) or more in the future.

Basically.... 1x BDR would burn a 800MB CD in about 22 seconds.
Let's go out on a limb and say you actually fill up a 25GB BDR.
It would write on 1x the full 25GB in 11 minutes.
Now a 2x which is 72mbps would write the full 25GB in... 5 minutes

If my research is correct 52x CD-R is about 7.8mbps...which is significantly slower than 1x BDR... :)

enough speed for you Jonbo or a lil sluggish?

[Jonbo298]

I dont want to wait 11 minutes to burn a BDR ;) If it was 72mbps for a DVD, that would be nice but for something ALOT larger, its sluggish compared to whats to come ;)

4x and I'll probably consider a BDR PC Drive :) I dont like waiting too long for a CD/DVD to burn. :p

Null: Maybe my CD burner is slow to kickup then..its 52x but maybe its just slower to get up to that speed. Probably is but oh well, ill upgrade eventually :p

[KillerGremlin]

11 Minutes....pfffft. I remember back in 6th grade, I'd wait 45 minutes at my friends house to burn a CD. Nowadays, I wait 30 seconds like Null.

Won't the Playstation 3 be using Blu-Ray discs? If so, Sony is probably crapping themselves right now. I know pirating is inevitable, but if Blue-Ray comes out before the PS3...lol.

[Null]

sony (along with partner companies) is the one making blue ray discs. sony is controlling exactly what they want to happen with them.

its not like it just so happens that PS3 will come out with blu ray support while all the actual blu ray players will cost much much more.

[Perfect Stu]

I was taking it from the actual song..



the ACTUAL song, that came out well after Cool Hand Luke? ;)

[MuGen]

the ACTUAL song, that came out well after Cool Hand Luke? ;)

Yeah, directly from the Guns n Roses song... I'm not going for historical accuracy here......... just a lyrical excerpt from the Guns n Roses song.