Third world game of catch

[Neo]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051107/od_nm/bosnia_grenade_dc;_ylt=AixfCPipRzMx5QpOtMBGCYAZ.3QA;_ylu=X3oDMTA4cmUwbnA1BHNlYwMxNzAy


BANJA LUKA, Bosnia (Reuters) - A hand grenade being used instead of a ball in a game of catch exploded early on Saturday killing three youths in this Bosnian town, police and news agencies said.

Two youths aged 19 and 20, one of them from neighboring Croatia, were killed instantly while a 20-year-old woman died on her way to hospital, police said. Her sister was slightly injured but two other youths suffered serious injuries.

The blast occurred at 2:00 a.m. in the western town of Novi Grad at a place in the town center frequented by youngsters. Police said an inquiry was under way and declined further comment. It was not clear why the grenade exploded.

ONASA news agency quoted witnesses as saying the youths tossed the hand grenade to each other before it exploded in the hands of one of them.

Bosnia is awash with illegal weapons left over from the 1992-95 war and tragic incidents are frequent despite several successful campaigns by international peacekeepers and police to get people to hand over illegal weapons.


And you thought American toys with their small swallowable plastic pieces were dangerous.

[Shadow Fox]

As sad as this is, it's also idiotic.

Leave the stunts to the professionals, kids.

[GameMaster]

Why would anyone want to play ctach with an explosive?

[Professor S]

Wow, the ultimate game of "hot potato". Next they should try musical chairs with land mines. That way if you lose, you really win.

I believe they will be up for a Darwin Award this year.

[Typhoid]

One of them probably caught it too hard.

Grenades dont explode unless jossled hard, or have the pin pulled.

It would be fine to toss it around normally.

[jeepnut]

One of them probably caught it too hard.

Grenades dont explode unless jossled hard, or have the pin pulled.

It would be fine to toss it around normally.

Play with grenades often do you?

[Canyarion]

Am I the only one who finds the jokes of Neo, Shadow Fox and Professor S misplaced?

[Professor S]

One of them probably caught it too hard.

Grenades dont explode unless jossled hard, or have the pin pulled.

It would be fine to toss it around normally.

Really? Not dangerous at all? Thats good, because I thought it was filled with explosives. The fact that it can explode if something falls out means it's NOT fine to toss around normally.

[Typhoid]

Really? Not dangerous at all? Thats good, because I thought it was filled with explosives. The fact that it can explode if something falls out means it's NOT fine to toss around normally.


You can throw around TNT, or a bullet, and they wont explode unless triggered.



And by "fine" to toss around normally, I meant compared to when the pin was pulled. Meaning in comparison, would you rather not catch a grenade with the pin in, opposed to one with no pin? (not catching isnt an option.)


Play with grenades often do you?

No. I also dont play professional level hockey, yet I seem to know things about that. Strange, is the knowledge people can have without actually participating in the activity they are talking of.

[Neo]

Am I the only one who finds the jokes of Neo, Shadow Fox and Professor S misplaced?

Where would you like them to be placed?

[jeepnut]

You can throw around TNT, or a bullet, and they wont explode unless triggered.



And by "fine" to toss around normally, I meant compared to when the pin was pulled. Meaning in comparison, would you rather not catch a grenade with the pin in, opposed to one with no pin? (not catching isnt an option.)




No. I also dont play professional level hockey, yet I seem to know things about that. Strange, is the knowledge people can have without actually participating in the activity they are talking of.

Strange also that that knowledge often seems to be flawed or incomplete. There is no substitute for experience.

[Krypton]

stupidity surrounds us all.

[Typhoid]

Next they should try musical chairs with land mines. That way if you lose, you really win.


I'm just curious your stance on this.


Is it their fault for being poor and living in a third world country that has landmines placed in random areas?


Or is it the fault of whoever put them there?

[Neo]

It's ultimately their fault for playing with them.

[DimHalo]

"Strange as it seems, no amount of learning can cure stupidity. And formal education positively fortifies it." ~Stephen Vincenzy

[Typhoid]

It's ultimately their fault for playing with them.


No thte fault of the Americans/British/whoever for placing them where they dont need to be placed and then not taking them out?



If you stepped on a landmine outside of your front door tomorrow morning, would your first thought aside from the pain be "**** I'm an idiot!" or "what ****ing moron put this landmine here?"

[Happydude]

it's different if it happens by accident....but they were playing catch with it...so it is their fault. if the granade blew up when someone accidentally kicked it while walking...then it would be the fault of whoever put it there.



in anycase, i think they are stupid for playing catch with an explosive....oh, and TNT (dynamite i'm assuming...if that's how you spell it) is very dangerous and very unstable. nitroglycerin can explode very easily...it's practically a time bomb without a timer.

[Xantar]

Just as a purely hypothetical question, what would you say about kids playing catch with a shiny ball covered in orange plastic?

Because that's what an unexploded bomblet from some cluster bombs looks like.

[Professor S]

No thte fault of the Americans/British/whoever for placing them where they dont need to be placed and then not taking them out?

Funny gow you immediately blame the US or British by name, when its been prodominately other peoples who have been fighting there. And my comment about the land mines was more a comparison to the idea of playing "hot potato" with a grenade than the fact that there are actually land mines there.

These "kids" weren't that young. They were definitely old enough to be able recohnize what a grenade looks like, especially in the war-torn area that they grew up in. They thought it would be fun to thumb their nose in the face of danger, and danger thumbed them right back. Its like blaming a motorist for hitting a kid who knowingly played in traffic.

As for the cluster bombs, I would feel much more for those kids, because those bombs are not widely known by sight to be dangerous weapons. The difference in in the people in question actually knowing what they were doing.

Jesus, I guess this was the wrong time for a little black humor.:rolleyes:

[Typhoid]

Funny gow you immediately blame the US or British by name, when its been prodominately other peoples who have been fighting there. And my comment about the land mines was more a comparison to the idea of playing "hot potato" with a grenade than the fact that there are actually land mines there.

These "kids" weren't that young. They were definitely old enough to be able recohnize what a grenade looks like, especially in the war-torn area that they grew up in. They thought it would be fun to thumb their nose in the face of danger, and danger thumbed them right back. Its like blaming a motorist for hitting a kid who knowingly played in traffic.


Funny how I also said "whoever placed them there".

And they were definately old enough? Were these kids schooled? Its a third world country. I can see if the kids were some sort of scholar for their area, and then yes, they should have known better.


And "They thought it would be fun to thumb their nose in the face of danger"?

Did you talk to these kids? Or are you psychic as to why people do what people do now?

Its like blaming a motorist for hitting a kid who knowingly played in traffic.

The motorist would still be at fault for not stopping.

Go find a kid in the street and plow him down, and see if you get off scott-free.

[Professor S]

Funny how I also said "whoever placed them there".

And they were definately old enough? Were these kids schooled? Its a third world country. I can see if the kids were some sort of scholar for their area, and then yes, they should have known better.


And "They thought it would be fun to thumb their nose in the face of danger"?

Did you talk to these kids? Or are you psychic as to why people do what people do now?

No, but as the article said, these kids were in their late teens. I imagine they weren't mentally retarded since the article didn't point that out, so I think they knew what they were doing.


The motorist would still be at fault for not stopping.

Go find a kid in the street and plow him down, and see if you get off scott-free.

Once agin, you're wrong. If a kid runs in front of a moving car in a section that is not noted for crossing, ITS NOT THE DRIVER'S FAULT. Common sense realizes that a car moving at high speeds cannot stop on a dime whenever some idiot kid decides to run in the middle of a busy road. Maybe it is in Canada, but I doubt it.

Case in point: I working the door at my bar when a woman got hit by a car at night when she was trying to cross a major road in a non-crossing area. She was hit, and killed. I watched her die. It was her fault and the driver was never prosecuted. You can't blame someone for another person's deathwish.

[Canyarion]

...another person's deathwish.ass.

[Professor S]

ass.

Please explain. Your eloquent dissection of my post was just not enough, I must have more. :rolleyes:

Here's the bottom line: My heart can only bleed so much. I feel bad for all those who dies and had their lives torn apart in hurricane Katrina. I feel for all the innocents that were killed during the bombing of Iraq and Afghanistan. I feel for all of those people who have been hurt by left-over land mines. I feel for everyone in the world who are dying because they don't have enough to eat or money/access to proper medications. I feel for all those who live under opressive regimes and are denied rights and freedoms that we take for granted. The list could go on and on...

Feel bad for couple idiots who thought it would be fun to knowingly play catch with an obvious explosive device? I'll leave that to all of you. I don't have the ****ing time...

The Professor has left the building.

[The Germanator]

Please explain. Your eloquent dissection of my post was just not enough, I must have more. :rolleyes:

Here's the bottom line: My heart can only bleed so much. I feel bad for all those who dies and had their lives torn apart in hurricane Katrina. I feel for all the innocents that were killed during the bombing of Iraq and Afghanistan. I feel for all of those people who have been hurt by left-over land mines. I feel for everyone in the world who are dying because they don't have enough to eat or money/access to proper medications. I feel for all those who live under opressive regimes and are denied rights and freedoms that we take for granted. The list could go on and on...

Feel bad for couple idiots who thought it would be fun to knowingly play catch with an obvious explosive device? I'll leave that to all of you. I don't have the ****ing time...

The Professor has left the building.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[Xantar]

Well, I guess to be totally fair, maybe these kids didn't live in a place as media-saturated as our country is. So then they wouldn't actually know what a grenade looks like or what it does.

Wait, where were they from? Bosnia? As in the Eastern European country/region ripped apart by near constant guerilla warfare?

Ok, so much for that theory...