RAW and SmackDown Rosters

[Joeiss]

Well, just in case anybody missed the draft which was held on RAW, here are the picks for RAW and SmackDown!

RAW:

(1) UnderTaker
(2) nWo - Hall, Nash, X-Pac
(3) Kane
(4) RVD
(5) Booker T
(6) Big Show
(7) Bubba Ray Dudley
(8) Brock Lesnar
(9) William Regal
(10) Lita
(11) Bradshaw
(12) Stevie Richards
(13) Matt Hardy
(14) Raven
(15) Jeff Hardy
(16) Mr. Perfect
(17) Spike Dudley
(18) D'Lo Brown
(19) Shawn Stasiak
(20) Terri
(21) Jacqueline
(22) Goldust
(23) Trish Stratus
(24) Justin Credible
(25) Big Bossman
(26) Tommy Dreamer
(27) Crash
(28) Mighty Molly


Smackdown!:

(1) The Rock
(2) Kurt Angle
(3) Chris Benoit
(4) Hollywood Hulk Hogan
(5) Billy & Chuck
(6) Edge
(7) Rikishi
(8) D-Von Dudley
(9) Mark Henry
(10) Maven
(11) Kidman
(12) Tajiri
(13) Jericho
(14) Ivory
(15) Albert
(16) Hurricane
(17) Al Snow
(18) Lance Storm
(19) DDP
(20) Torrie Wilson
(21) Satcy Keibler
(22) Scotty Too Hotty
(23) Christian
(24) Test
(25) Faarooq
(26) Tazz
(27) Hardcore Holly
(28) Big Valbowski
(29) Perry Saturn


So, what do you guys think of the picks? And what side do you think Steve Austin will sign on? Post your thoughts here!

[nWoCHRISnWo]

Firstly, I think Austin will sign with Flair. That is, (if all the rumours are true) he stops being a little bitch and shows up for his job.

And I was hoping they'd go for more of a one side-wrestling and one side-sports entertainment show, but that didn't happen. Now it's just like what we were watching before... Also, who wants to bet that they'll do cross-overs and talk about eachother's show right off the bat?

Another thing, Vince has the Hardcore Belt, yet Flair has the hardcore guys. Oh yeah, and this splits up some feuds... Wussup wit dat?!

At least they mentioned Benoit.

[Professor S]

Not only was Benoit mentioned, but he was taken #3 in the draft by Vince! This is a very good sign that he will be pushed hard when he finally makes a comeback after he heals up.

As for Austin, I think he is doing what is necessary. He is the only person in the back who has the clout to try and mend the WWF's sinking ship. He is the reason that the WWF got to where they are, and he is not happy at all with his direction, the direction of the company, or the political games that the "kliq" (Hall, Nash, X-Pac, and HHH to some exten) have already been playing in the locker room. On the bright side, Hogan seems to be keeping his mouth shut.

It has been reported that the moral in the locker room is at an all time low, and now X-Pac has been hotshotted into the top storyline because he is friends with Hall and Nash. What does this tell all the other guys who have been busting their asses to get there, only to get submarined by politics?

And before anyone says "X-Pac deserves it/it makes sense", no he doesn't and no it doesn't. His earlier gimmick was a collossal FAILURE and he has shown that he has absolutely no draw without big name help. He is the shrimpy guy in grade school who only got respect because he was friends with the Big Bad Bully.

I fully support Austin and what he is trying to do. No other superstar could do this and create any change or even not get fired. He is taking a stand, and I think others like the Undertaker and others with influence should follow suit.

[nWoCHRISnWo]

I can't help but think that if Hogan was in the same situation, you'd be thinking differently.

Last I checked, Austin works for WWF, not the other way around. He, you, and I all know that WWF won't do anything to bad to Austin's character, so why is he complaining? Let's see, he was put into WWF's biggest current feud, he dominated the nWo, and won at Wrestlemania, after half-assing several matches before that. Now he hasn't showed up at his job for a week... Yet you're defending the man? I've seen tons of people, the same people who cry about Bret, defend Austin. Bret doesn't want to lose the title to Shawn Michaels in Canada, so he's a crybaby bitch. Austin doesn't show up for his job, for no apparent reason. Somehow I don't understand this double-standard.

And about Nash and Hall... If you had a job, wouldn't you want a good friend to work with you? You know Hall and Nash aren't the bookers, and they aren't the owners of the company. Vince McMahon is letting this all happen, so it's his own damn fault.

[Rick_Blaze]

Man I don't know what the hell this strangler guy is talking about. When Bret Hart did that in 1996 he was the bad evil man. When Hogan and Nash used to walk out of WCW from time to time they were bad. Austin is a whiner and upset because he's not #1. Austin seems to forget there is no more WCW or viable #2 promotion. If he wants to leave WWF he better hope that WWA or some other promotion is working. I don't care about that guy anymore. But it would be cool to see Chris Benoit return as the leader of a new horseman unit.

[nWoCHRISnWo]

As someone on 1wrestling suggested (I think it was at 1wrestling anyway...), Vince should go to the ring, put down Austin as bad as possible, fire him publically, and then have someone like Benoit come down to the ring, defend Austin, put Vince in the cross-face, and then you have yourself one less whiny bitch, one over face, and well heel McMahon as usual.

I'd love that idea, although I do like Austin.

[Joeiss]

I think that if you whine, you should get fired. I would like to see Austin with nowhere to go. Oh wait, he's just chilling in his million dollar house with Debrah sucking him all day long. I really don't think that he is missing anything.

[Professor S]

I find it HILARIOUS that many of you vilify Austin, who is the ONLY worker with BALLS big enough standing up for himself and the other workers in his company, and praise Hulk Hogan and the NWO who have single handedly held back more wrestlers than Flair, Dusty and Sullivan have COMBINED. If you don't believe me, just read any interview with Shane Douglas.

As for Bret, I feel NO pity for his pathetic whining ass.

He didn't want to lose in Canada. BOO HOO. Someone should tell him WRESTLING'S A WORK!!

But even if that was it, I wouldn't feel this way. The truth is that Bret NEVER wanted to lose the WWF title cleanly to Michaels. he wanted to just "give up" the title the next night on Raw. Do you really think Vince is THAT STUPID? If Bret were to give up the title, and then show up on Nitro the next night, essentially the WWF champ would be an employee of WCW. Any wrestler that the WWF gave the title to would have been a paper champ. Also keep in mind that the WWF was getting creamed by WCW at the time in the ratings. Vince was protecting his livelihood. Bret threatened the livelihood ofd every worker in the WWF by wanting to skip out without dropping the title clean.

BTW, if you doubt any of my facts in this instance, just rent "Wrestling With Shadows" at Blockbuster. Bret says as much HIMSELF.

People say that Vince didn't respect what Bret did for the WWF. I say Bret didn't appreciate what the WWF did for him. He was a Tag Team wrestler that the WWF pushed to super stardome. By wanting to leave the WWF essentially with title shows that he never gave a damn about anyone but himself and never had any respect for the organization that made him.

Not wanting to lose in Canada was an excuse. I still maintain that Bret was planning on skipping Raw the next night since his contract ended the night before, taking the title to Nitro the next night and dumping it in the trash like Medusa did with the women's title. I think thats the main reason why the WCW wanted him so badly.

And no, I don't think Vince is a saint by any means, but neither is Bret Hart.

But Rick, I do agree with your Horseman idea. I love the idea of an elite unite of wrestlers. Benoit would be the perfect leader of the group, with Regal, Kurt Angle and perhaps Brock Lesnar playing the Enforcer role. Or perhaps substitute Curt Hennig/Mr. Perfect for Regal since he is an excellent mat wrestler too. And have Flair play the J.J. Dillon role as manager.

[nWoCHRISnWo]

Strangler, I don't know if you even understand what you sound like.

"I find it HILARIOUS that many of you vilify Austin, who is the ONLY worker with BALLS big enough standing up for himself and the other workers in his company"

LMAO. I don't even know the word for the way you're acting, but I'm sure "idiotic" would fit just as well. Bret Hart had the balls big enough to stand up for himself, yet he's a whiny bitch according to you. But besides that, Austin is standing up for other workers? LMFAO! Man, you seriously need to look at things from a point of view where Austin isn't lord of all. He hasn't showed up for work for one week. How the hell is he standind up for anyone else?? Don't kid yourself, he's pissed because of where HE and only HE is on the WWF card. Austin doing something for other works... Are we talking about the same Austin here? The same Austin who refused to work with Jarret? The same Austin who refused to work with Hogan (maybe it would have been Austin going over Hogan at Mania if Austin wasn't such a crybaby)? The same Austin who changed the biggest storyline WWF had going by refusing to lose to Hall by outside interference?

"Someone should tell him WRESTLING'S A WORK!!"

Hey... Ummm... EXACTLY! So if Bret Hart doesn't like the way he's been booked, you feel no pity for him, he's a whiny bitch, and he's pathetic. Steve Austin is in the EXACT SAME POSITION (except for the fact that Austin has no right to bitch seeing as how everything that happened has been his fault or went his way anyway) but you praise him! I mean, seriously, are you even thinking of what you're typing??

I'm not going to go out and totally disagree with everything you said after that, but you're just acting stupid now. You can put Steve Austin's name in place of Bret's for almost EVERYTHING you said about him. I've never seen such biasism in my life. Feel free to feel that way about Bret, but to praise Austin for the exact same things makes you look like an idiot.

[Professor S]

1) I'm not even a huge Austin fan, but I do respect the fact that he pretty much singlehandedly beat WCW into the ground.

2) It was even said in this forum that he was put in the top storyline beating the NWO's ass every chance he got. So what other reason would Austin have to be so pissed off?

HE IS ANGRY ABOUT THE CRAPTACULAR PRODUCT OF THE WWF IN GENERAL.

He wants a change in direction, which hopefully the "brand extention" will provide. I respect him for standing up to try and get a fire under Vince's ass so that the WWF will move forward, instead of reaching back to the NWO to give a hotshot angle and cheap, short time ratings.

3) As for Bret Hart, he only decided "to take a stand" after he was told he had to drop the title and pass the torch. Austin passed the torch a while ago AND he was involved in the company's top storyline, so again, what would he have to be so angry about if it wasn't his discontent with the WWF's product. He has the power to change the WWF because his name is that big, and if its a change for the better it will benefit all the workers. But I guess Chris can't get that through the 10" thick NWO skull of his where everything Hogan and the NWO is PERFECT. I think you should take a look at your own posts and realize how stupid YOU sound.

4) The Jeff Jarrett Argument - DUMB. Looks like Austin was right, which was OBVIOUS. Jarrett isn't a main eventer, even though he is a great worker. He doesn't have the "thing". If you think I'm wrong, just look at how well his push worked in WCW LOL:D

5)The NWO IS a cancer on pro wrestling because of the wrestlers in it. Given the chance they will alienate every worker in the WWF and make the locker as miserable as it was when they were in WCW. It has already begun.

[Null]

i tend to agree more along the lines of Strangler...... not totally but a bit more on his side.


both austin and bret had balls to stand up for themselves. And i think both are going about it the wrong way.

but then again more is known about brets way then austins. I believe bret did whine more. i've always considered him a whiner. Everyone always says how it was Vinces fault. But i believe not so. Bret was unwilling to compremise. he wanted to keep his belt and go out with it or something. WWF wanted him to lose cuz that was the storyline. he didnt want to go with it. a little bit on both thier parts id say.

As for austin. he just goes home after WM? kinda reminds me of a kid that loses and goes off home crying.

I totally agree with him on the nWo subject, they were the reason i stoped watching WCW. they're boring. all the black and white gives everyting a boring look when they're around. i mean my god. they came and suddenly one of the most colorful people around (Savage) only wore black. What up wif that?



but back to the austin thing. As far as it looks now. he is fighting for a more just cause then bret did. bret was fighting for himself. if what austin says is true, he's fighting for the company. well half. cuz he also said he didnt like his character. hehehe

[nWoCHRISnWo]

You guys are so naive it's not even funny.

First, I never said Austin didn't do a lot for wrestling. He's been very influential to pro wrestling, although not near as much as Hulk Hogan.

Next, where the hell do you get your info from? Austin has reportedly (unless you get some sort of special news from special sources that no one else knows about) not shown up at his job for a week now BECAUSE HE DOESN'T LIKE HIS POSITION IN THE COMPANY. Note: *HIS*

Right from Dave Sherer: "he is unhappy with the way he has been used and treated since the arrival of the nWo."

"The rumors going around backstage were that we would see Austin back when he was satisfied that the WWF would use him properly."

Here's a quote straight from 1Bob: "Austin has been upset for several weeks, according to our sources, about the direction of his character and the fact that he was positioned into a semi-main event role for Wrestlemania.

WWF management was angered when Austin reportedly vetoed an idea that would have involved a run-in during his match at Wrestlemania with Scott Hall that would have been used to explain the "brand extension" that was announced the next night."

You can make up all the bull**** that you want, but get your facts straight. Austin isn't happy about HIS position in WWF, Austin is mad because of HIS spot at Mania, Austin even changed the biggest storyline WWF has right now because poor little Steve "crybaby" Austin didn't like what HE would have to give up.

As for Bret Hart, you have GOT to be kidding me. He was known for his loyalty, and after all he's done for the WWF (if it wasn't for him, your beloved Austin wouldn't be what he is today) he's not the crybaby you guys make him out to be. It's not that he didn't wanna pass the torch, nobody who knows anything has ever said that. It's not that he had a problem with jobbing in general, it was quite obvious that he didn't want to job to Shawn Michaels in Canada. Job to Michaels next night on Raw? Job to someone else in Montreal? No problem. Yet, he must be the world's biggest crybaby because of this, while Austin hasn't even shown up at his damn job for a week. ONE WHOLE WEEK. Imagine if you didn't show up at your job for a week. What would happen? I'll give you a hint, you won't have to show up for your job for lots of more weeks to come.

And about Jarret, forming opinions on a wrestler based on their drawing ability in the dieing months of WCW is so retarded I don't even know if you were joking or what.

You're a hell of a lot more biased AGAINST the nWo than I am TOWARDS them. You give them no credit whatsoever.

And Null... You've always considered Bret a whiner. Good for you, know can you give me a few examples of him whining before the Montreal screwjob? And you've got your facts wrong, so that might be why your opinion on Bret is so jaded. He didn't wanna leave with the belt, he had no problem jobbing. He had a problem jobbing to Shawn Michaels, and Shawn Michaels only.

nWo was the reason you stopped watching WWF. Well you're in the big minority there. Black and white must suck too, seeing as how their T-shirts made wearing wrestling T-shirts acceptable in society. I saw more nWo shirts at WWF shows than anyone else's, even before nWo came back.

And I think you're getting your facts from Strangler, who's getting his facts from unknown sources. As far as we know, Austin isn't fighting for any cause other than his own.

[Professor S]

*sigh*

Talking rationally to NWO marks is like trying to convince devout Catholics that God doesn't exist. No amount of logic will do you any good.

1) Bret's lotalty extended as far as his push in the WWF did. Watch Wrestling With Shadows before you start talking out your ass, Chris. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Bret did not want to lose to Michaels ANYWHERE. The fact that it was in Canada was merely convenient. And if you have seen it and still feel that way, watch it again becasue you obviously have selective memory.

2) I'm glad you take every rumor you hear as fact. Its a good concept to follow. I'd rather take Austin's word for it considering he KNOWS what its like to be looked over and screwed in a promotion. Why do you think he was so upset with WCW? By the way, you have yet to contradict any of my statements with any kind of fact.

Oh, and since you think opinion and rumor are fact, there are more than one columnist on 1wrestling that agree with Austin's stance on this subject, but you conveniently excluded them from your quote fest, didn't you? And no, I'm not going to research it because I don't have to. Go look for yourselves, they are there. I believe even Dave Scherer agreed with Austin at one point.

I'll even give you that Austin is out for himself (hypothetically since no one really knows), fine, but don't his reasons for protest coincide with whats best for the WWF? He has seen locker room politics first hand and does not like them one bit. He never teamed up with other wrestlers to gain more influence. Any move he made he made by himself. He is not a fan of the NWO because he knows that having those wrestlers in the WWF WILL BE a detriment to the comapany and morale, and they already have. Do you need me to quote 1wrestling for you to believe me Chris? No I don't, becasue you've already seen those reports and decided to ignore them because they make your heroes look bad. Let me shed a single tear for you.:(:rolleyes:

3) Jarrett. The WWf was considered a dying company by many before Austin came around and changed all that. Gee, Jarrett did a great job of pushing WCW to new heights, didn't he? :rolleyes:

As for calling me biased, talk about the big fat pot calling the little kettle black. You have NEVER had ONE WORD of criticism about either Hogan or the NWO since I have communicated with you. Considering they are among the worlds top sinners in pro wrestling I think that shows everyone who is more biased than who.

Before you start calling names, Chris, why don't you take a nice long look in the mirror and see yourself for what you you are. A pathetic mark who will cling to any illogical reason to cling on to the heroes he grew up watching on TV. Wake up.

[BigJustinW]

Uhh... my opinions:

1) The nWo

The nWo isn't poision... the nWo is more like like some bad drugs.

The nWo can't be considerd poision, for one simple fact.... They single handedly made a new company (WCW) take over the sports entertainment world... When the nWo left, what happend to the WCW? It died...

X-Pac was one of the origanal members of the nWo, so how can anybody say he doesn't deserve to be a part of it?

Strangler, as much as you may see the nWo as the "poison", you have no solid proof to back it up. Do you know how many wrestlers came after the nWo? Do you know how many wrestlers came before the nWo? The nWo didn't hold any of them back... in fact, the nWo gave Nash, Hall, Macho Man, Sting, Konan, The Giant, and most of all, Goldberg, the highlights of all thier carrers. The nWo saved WCW, and the nWo is the most popular heel of all time

The nWo isn't hurting the WWF either... Vince won't let that happen. They have 3 members, none of which will head line a PPV any time soon.... while in WCW they had 15 members (wolfpac included) and one of them was in the main event at almost every PPV that the nWo was around for.

How are they holding talent back in the WWF??? It's not near the scale of WCW

2) Austin

Austin, love him or hate him, is the biggest fan favorite in the WWF.

Anybody who can make the crowd interupt every single speech, even speches that have nothing to do with Austin, by repeating "What?" is a legend, period.

IMO, Austin has a GREAT reason to leave. Just think about it, the three immortal wrestlers (Austin, Rock, and Triple H) all walked away with victories at WM... that shouldn't happen. At WM, the main event should be between 2 people that you can't imagine losing at this point in thier carrer...

That's why I HATE that Triple H isn't a heel... because he was a heel that always won... and Austin/TheRock were faces that that rarely ever lose. Triple H vs Austin would have made for a better main event.

I don't get how Vince one year could laugh at WCW for all it's old talent, then turn around and let WMX8 feature a star from WM1 in the main event.

Austin feels that the story line has no room for him, and imo, that's a good reason to leave. WWF is having the WCW syndrome, too many big wrestlers in the ring at one time. That's why in WCW, wrestlers took big breaks.

I mean, think about it, how many active people in the WWF (coming in to WMX8) had held either the WWF or WCW world champoinship? The answer is simple... Too many.

Right now, all in all, I'm dissapointed with the WWF, the angles that are being taken are horrible (the split makes me puke). That's what happens when a company has no competition... the product quality goes down.

[Professor S]

Justin, I respect your opinion but I think you are playing a little revisionist history with the NWO's run in WCW.

The NWO both made and destroyed the WCW. It was a one shot deal that Bischoff stretched out for 2 years. remember the NWO "B-Team" led by Stevie Ray of all people? Pathetic. Add this on to the reported arrogance and hostility of Hall, Nash and Hogan in the locker room and you have your explanation as to their downfall.

Now, the NWO aren't the only reason why WCW folded. Goldberg was a huge reason as was the lack of any real corporate leadership and inordinately large salaries, but the NWO is still a large part of the equation.

Hall, Nash and Hogan could have led by example being that they were the biggest stars in WCW and they could have led WCW to new heights, instead they worked for themselves and sabotaged other wrestlers pushes, created their own little circle of influence and made the locker room miserable.

As for proof, I could cite about 150,000 articles from 1wrestling.com saying what a cancer Hall, Nash and Hogan were in the locker room.

[nWoCHRISnWo]

Strangler, this shouldn't be an argument between Austin and Bret, I only brought him up to compare their situations, which you somehow alter freely to make Austin a hero and Bret a piece of ****.

As for the fact/rumour thing... I never believed the things from 1wrestling were facts (but for you, it's a fact if it comes from 1wrestling and it's convenient, but a rumour if you're arguing against it apparently), I tried putting "as far as we know" "from all sources" etc. before most of what I said, so it's quite obvious you're just finding any little thing to falt me for.

Here's my problem with your whole argument though: "I'd rather take Austin's word for it" Oh, how suprising. You know my bias with nWo, now you must know how I feel because of your bias with anything not nWo, and in this case, Steve Austin. Anyhoo, just think for half a damn second... Do you think Austin would say anything to make himself look like the "badguy" here? This doesn't take a scientist... My biasm for nWo isn't even in the same league as yours for Austin right now. That's like taking OJ's word for it that he didn't kill his wife.

Oh yeah, and I conveniently excluded some columnists opinions on the Austin situation? LMAO. Nice try. I don't give a rat's ass about their opinions, I'm getting the facts, or what's closest to facts that we can get, unlike you. I went in the newsline sextion (NEWS, not COLUMNS/OPINIONS) and got the first three quotes that said anything about why Austin wasn't showing up at his job. They ALL said "from our sources" and none of it was opinion, so as I said before, AS FAR AS WE KNOW Austin is only mad because of HIS position.

Dave Scherer agreed with Austin, good for Dave Scherer. Just because 1wrestling people have opinions doesn't mean they're right. Now I know exactly what you're gonna do now, tell me that I'm a hipocrat because I quoted them as "facts." There's a difference between telling facts (or as close as facts that we can know) from their sources than their opinions.

"I'll even give you that Austin is out for himself"

That's not what you were saying before, even earlier in your same post. This is what my argument was, so thank you for finally ending this argument. Bottom line, as we both agreed now: Steve Austin is doing this for HIMSELF.

And where you ever saw me comparing Jarret to Austin I have no clue, but don't pretend I say things for your convenience. You don't have to be as good as Steve Austin is to be a main eventer.

Now, I realize that I have a bias for nWo, but after this argument, there's no question that your bias for anything going against nWo is far greater.

And one last thing, Hall, Nash, and Hogan DID lead WCW to new heights, and anyone other than you can see that.

[Null]

Originally posted by nWoCHRISnWo

And Null... You've always considered Bret a whiner. Good for you, know can you give me a few examples of him whining before the Montreal screwjob? And you've got your facts wrong, so that might be why your opinion on Bret is so jaded. He didn't wanna leave with the belt, he had no problem jobbing. He had a problem jobbing to Shawn Michaels, and Shawn Michaels only.

nWo was the reason you stopped watching WWF. Well you're in the big minority there. Black and white must suck too, seeing as how their T-shirts made wearing wrestling T-shirts acceptable in society. I saw more nWo shirts at WWF shows than anyone else's, even before nWo came back.



you reading into me a bit too much man.

I said i dissagree with the way BOTH hart and austin handled thier situations. As for bret. i used to be a huge fan of him. the Austin / Hart fueds back in the day is still one of my favorites.
Call it Harts character. call it the way he acts. he just always came off as a whiner to me. I didnt say anything hes done or did made it that way.

I think austins going off home and crying about it is just as whiny.

as for the black and white. i didnt say that was wrong for merchandise sales. everyone likes black tshirts.

But when the nWo was in WCW. EVERYTHING was black and white it seemed. all the wrestlers became black and white. the ring became black and white. everything. I like color. i loved when Savage wore the colorful things. i like Hogans Yellow better. Hell. i even liked doink the clown. COLOR MAN COLOR!

hehe

[nWoCHRISnWo]

You mean you didn't like when nWo ran everything in WCW? :D

[Null]

didnt care. cuz i stoped watching :D

[Professor S]

Chris, I honestly don't bother reading your posts anymore. I hope one day you come to your senses and realize you've wasted you best years of fandome on backstabbing pricks.

Biut since I can't convince you of this, I'll join you to make you happy.

Hogan is infallible...

Hall is sober and a fantastic human being...

Nash doesn't attempt to book only his friends in his angles...

X-Pac doesn't suck...

Happy now?:rolleyes:

[Null]

Originally posted by The Strangler

X-Pac doesn't suck...



:lol:


:D

[nWoCHRISnWo]

You need to realize that you're not always right Strangler. I've been to about seven wrestling boards today, and in each and every one of them, there are more people pissed at Austin for being the crybaby he's acting like than praising him.

And why must your bring up the people I cheer for in an argument where it matters not?

Ah well, just remember that you're always right even when everyone else says otherwise, and if you say something, it has more credibility than if a site with actual sources says something.

PS. Isn't it funny howyou change your whole argument from "Austin is doing this for the company" to "Austin is doing this for himself, but it will benefit the company" and you tell me you're not gonna bother reading MY posts anymore? LOL, whatever floats your boat.

And since you can't be convinced that Steve Austin isn't god, I'll have to agree with you.

-If Hogan, Hall, or Nash do ANYTHING at all, whether it be save an old woman from dieing or inventing the cure to a thousand types of diseases, they still do no good and are rotten pieces of ****.

-You're always right.

-If 1wrestling posts news that you like, it's reliable facts. If they post news you don't like, they're just rumours and anyone who listens to them are idiots.

-Hogan never EVER helped WWF and nWo never EVER helped WCW.

-Steve Austin is a bigger icon than Hogan.

(They seemed to have gotten funnier and funnier going down.)

[BreakABone]

Well I would just like to throw in my 2 cents even if they are late.

Anyhow, I believe that Stone Cold has every right to be mad.

I don't know what program you and the other WWF fans been watching for the last couple of montsh but the WWF really has been screwing up his character.

I mean just take a look at his character for about the last 14 months or so.

He starts off 2001 by winning the Royal Rumble and getting a shot at the WWF title in Texas his home state.

He continues his super hot feud with HHH at No Way Out 2001 in what was the match of the year.

He then focuses on his WWF title match at WM x-7. It was a rather poor build up to the match between him and the Rock but a good match nonetheless.

He makes a lackluster heel turn at WM x-7 and wins the WWFtitle. He goes on the next night to give one lame excuse for turning heel, and later that same night becomes friends with a man he was feuding with no more than 6 weeks before that. And it was no minor feud it was built up that this two hated each other. HHH ran the guy over with a damn car and Austin dropped him some 40ft in a car. Then in one swift motion he becomes good friends with him.

He continues the next few months in some dull feuds. I mean him vs Taker wasn't too great. Heck I don't even remember why they feuded.

He than has a feud with both Jericho and Benoit which turns out a decent match and starts the InVasion angle. Austin turns face for about 1-1/2 in this angle and then suddenly turns heel again.

Yes that is correct folks 2 heel turns in the span of about 3-1/2 months.

He goes on to have a hot feud with Kurt Angle. Only one real problem with this feud. Early on in the year it was built up that Kurt couldn't defeat SCSA. I mean they had two title matches at the end of 2000 which Austin almost wins but loses both due to HHH. But Austin is a wussy when it comes to Kurt Angle this time. And must result to cheating to keep his title at SummerSlam and then win it back from him after Unforgiven.

Austin would then become friends with Kurt Angle after he joined the Alliance even though they feuded like 2 weeks before that.

Austin would than participate in the winner takes all match at Survivor Series in which he would suffer the losing fall.

Austin would then go on to turn face when Ric Flair announces hinself new co-owner of the WWF.

Austin would lose his title at Vengeance in December to Chris Jericho after some heavy interference especially from one Mr.Booker T.

Booker T would then interefer in let another Austin title match causing Jericho to retain his title on Raw.

Booker T and Austin would fight in a grocery store and some other places like a church. This feud would result in one singles match in which Booker T wins but nothing major ever comes out of the feud,

Austin would than turn his attention to the Royal Rumble where he is built up as one of the people who could win it.

Austin is the 3rd to last person elimianted not even making it to the final 3 with Angle and HHH.

He would win a mini tourney to become number one contender for the WWF title yet he spends little time feuding with Jericho and spends most of his time dealing with McMahon and the on going threats of the nWo.

He would lose his WWF title match at NWO 2k2 to Jericho when the nWo interferes.

He would go on to feud with the nWo mainly Scott Hall and in a very lame segment pulls out a gun on Scott Hall and Kevin Nash.

Then the WWF wants him to lose to Scott Hall at the biggest event of the year.

Even though, just a year agfo he was wrestling for the title at the same event. And Scott Hall has proven time and time again he isn't the most reliable person in the world. So Austin was wise in not wanting to lose to Scott Hall. His character was pretty much shoot with all those lame turns and well some lame fueds and angles.

So I could see why Austin is a little mad.


Even more, who exactly would Austin feud with now?

Hogan and Rock are off doing there own things.

Austin already squashed Scott Hall showing that he is no real threat to Austin and the WWF really don't wnat him feuding with Kevin Nash,

Triple H is a face and Austin has feuded with Taker enough.

[Joeiss]

I find it funny that you guys take this so seriously. Hell, who knows, maybe this whole Austin thing is just a set up. Or maybe Austin is dead.

Who the hell cares.

Focus on who is wrestling, not who isn't. If Austin wants to be a baby, let him sit out. He knows that he can stay out as liong as he wants. Hell, why not. He is probably still receiving his pay check.

[Matusha]

Originally posted by nWoCHRISnWo
You guys are so naive it's not even funny.

First, I never said Austin didn't do a lot for wrestling. He's been very influential to pro wrestling, although not near as much as Hulk Hogan.

Next, where the hell do you get your info from? Austin has reportedly (unless you get some sort of special news from special sources that no one else knows about) not shown up at his job for a week now BECAUSE HE DOESN'T LIKE HIS POSITION IN THE COMPANY. Note: *HIS*

Right from Dave Sherer: "he is unhappy with the way he has been used and treated since the arrival of the nWo."

"The rumors going around backstage were that we would see Austin back when he was satisfied that the WWF would use him properly."

Here's a quote straight from 1Bob: "Austin has been upset for several weeks, according to our sources, about the direction of his character and the fact that he was positioned into a semi-main event role for Wrestlemania.

WWF management was angered when Austin reportedly vetoed an idea that would have involved a run-in during his match at Wrestlemania with Scott Hall that would have been used to explain the "brand extension" that was announced the next night."

You can make up all the bull**** that you want, but get your facts straight. Austin isn't happy about HIS position in WWF, Austin is mad because of HIS spot at Mania, Austin even changed the biggest storyline WWF has right now because poor little Steve "crybaby" Austin didn't like what HE would have to give up.

As for Bret Hart, you have GOT to be kidding me. He was known for his loyalty, and after all he's done for the WWF (if it wasn't for him, your beloved Austin wouldn't be what he is today) he's not the crybaby you guys make him out to be. It's not that he didn't wanna pass the torch, nobody who knows anything has ever said that. It's not that he had a problem with jobbing in general, it was quite obvious that he didn't want to job to Shawn Michaels in Canada. Job to Michaels next night on Raw? Job to someone else in Montreal? No problem. Yet, he must be the world's biggest crybaby because of this, while Austin hasn't even shown up at his damn job for a week. ONE WHOLE WEEK. Imagine if you didn't show up at your job for a week. What would happen? I'll give you a hint, you won't have to show up for your job for lots of more weeks to come.

And about Jarret, forming opinions on a wrestler based on their drawing ability in the dieing months of WCW is so retarded I don't even know if you were joking or what.

You're a hell of a lot more biased AGAINST the nWo than I am TOWARDS them. You give them no credit whatsoever.

And Null... You've always considered Bret a whiner. Good for you, know can you give me a few examples of him whining before the Montreal screwjob? And you've got your facts wrong, so that might be why your opinion on Bret is so jaded. He didn't wanna leave with the belt, he had no problem jobbing. He had a problem jobbing to Shawn Michaels, and Shawn Michaels only.

nWo was the reason you stopped watching WWF. Well you're in the big minority there. Black and white must suck too, seeing as how their T-shirts made wearing wrestling T-shirts acceptable in society. I saw more nWo shirts at WWF shows than anyone else's, even before nWo came back.

And I think you're getting your facts from Strangler, who's getting his facts from unknown sources. As far as we know, Austin isn't fighting for any cause other than his own.

Wrong Chris.In 96' he was whining because he lost to Michaels and how they were putting Michaels over him.That is why he left for 8 months.

[Rick_Blaze]

Big ****ing deal, Austin is not at the top so he is mad. What's so hard to understand? He does not want to be somewhere else other than the top spot and he does not want to give it to the other guys around just like when Ric Flair refused to lose to Lex Luger or when Bret Hart didn't want to lose to Shawn Michaels and there are countless other examples. That doesn't make him a hero it makes him a wrestler.

[Matusha]

Austin sucked in 2001?He was much more cool than he evr was.The bad guy Austin made the new Austin,the What? man.Stone Cold had been sucking since 1999 before WMX8.I liked the heel Austin.They should make him one again if you ask me.

[Joeiss]

Originally posted by Matusha
They should make him one again if you ask me.

Yeah, but nobody is asking you.

[Null]

Originally posted by Matusha
Austin sucked in 2001?He was much more cool than he evr was.The bad guy Austin made the new Austin,the What? man.Stone Cold had been sucking since 1999 before WMX8.I liked the heel Austin.They should make him one again if you ask me.


um no...


"what" is the most annoying thing to come along since well.... ever.


austin sucked as a heel. he was funny at times. but he sucked. His character is built around being a badass. bout him being a tough SOB.

they totally changed his character. he sucked. if they could of kept him tough and made him bad. like back when he started fighting Hart back in the day. him as a heel can work.

[Joeiss]

Originally posted by Null
"what" is the most annoying thing to come along since well.... ever.

I agree, yet many, many people say "What" during the interviews. Damn, I hate it!!!

[Matusha]

Austin did NOT suck as a heel....And there is no place for that "bad ass" stone cold...There is nothing they can do with him as a face like BreakaBone said.It would only make sense to make him a heel...

Anyway,the roster split is garbage anyway.Shouldn't all the champions fight on both shows?