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Crash
07-22-2005, 03:14 AM
Q: What companies were behind the development of the InFocus™DepthQ™ projector?

A: InFocus® Corporation and Lightspeed Design Group

InFocus® Corporation (Nasdaq: INFS) has been innovating and developing new ways for people to share big pictures and ideas in business, education and home entertainment for almost twenty years. Beginning with our worldwide leadership in digital projectors, today our expertise extends beyond projection into large format displays, ultra-thin microdisplay televisions, wireless connectivity, networking software and engine technology all designed to make the presentation of ideas, information, and entertainment an exhilarating experience. InFocus Corporation's global headquarters are located in Wilsonville, Oregon, USA, with regional offices in Europe and Asia.

Lightspeed Design Group has been a leader in stereo 3D for over a decade, developing new hardware and software technologies and presenting 3D to millions through museum theaters, corporate events, and a world exposition. Lightspeed has considerable expertise in 3D projection, software development, and electronics. Lightspeed's clients include Mercedes, U.S. Army, Continental Teves, Procter & Gamble, Nintendo, IMAX Corporation, and Disney Imagineering.

http://depthq.com/

InFocus™DepthQ™ is exclusively distributed by Lightspeed Design Group.


3d goggles ... this is it.

Adam's theories summed up.

Nintendo invests in gyroscopic company.
They specialize in gyroscopes that can pick up yaw rotation (think waving your hand). As well as pitch and left and right.

Now imagine goggles on your head with these gyroscopes. It can pick up your head looking to the left or right. Gyroscopic company specializes in this. This also explains why Nintendo doesn't give a damn about High Def

Nintendo chooses no line mode, makes it free and build in wireless:
Nintendo knows only one person can play per revolution console, so they make the consoles connect to each other for free across the no line community, and when in close proximity. This is the new multiplayer. No more being tethered to a controller, to a console to a tv (reggie said they wont be doing that)

Nintendo Makes Revolution TINY
This is because they know a lot of people will enjoy the multiplayer part of it by bringing consoles together . Portability is a must.

Nintendo says its the only way the industry can go
Think about it, once graphics max out in clarity, then what. 3D is the only way video games can evolve from here on.

Nintendo patent shows up with new point of view click here (http://photos1.blogger.com/img/88/2715/640/nintendo-patents-new-technology-20050127054647245-000.jpg)
The patent explains that current games all have constantly moving camera point of view. ex. camera always follows football, in a football game. They say all that camera movement makes things difficult to follow. With these goggles, all camera movement will be controlled by where you look. There is only one camera, and one pivot point, just like the patent says. It is the only way this patent can be explained, and work for all games.

Iwata says unique design might alienate 3rd parties
this is because 3rd party titles will no longer extend all 3 platforms. 3rd parties will be forced to make revolution games exclusive to revolution.

Revolution would bring about a "paradigm shift"
Would anything less be concidered a paradigm?

Square Enix is excited about something! They Said:
"The Revolution may embody a new platform beyond a portable or console, which makes possible a new structure in the network gaming system, changing the ways communities are built and supported. This is the kind of direction we've envisioned, and we will challenge ourselves to provide immersive interactive content in response to what Nintendo offers." I dont think a touch screen controller with gryo would set them off like that.

they go on to say:

"not just a portable, not just a console -- it's exactly what we wanted in that it's the birth of a completely new platform."

Sounds revolutiory to them I think

Nintendo says it is a technology currently available, but not being used for games.
I've seen this technology at disney world (it's tough to be a bug, honey I shruk the audience) and at Universal Studios (terminator 3d).... but have not seen it in a game setting yet

Nintendo Quotes

Well, the concept of a home system today is defined as hardware that you tether to a box, and you are tethered to it via a controller; we think that's an old paradigm. We think that the consumer wants something much more innovative than that. Coupled with the concept of strong community and immersion into the gameplay, we think that's what we need to deliver on from a consumer propostion standpoint.

"This won't be a continuation, but rather something entirely different," Nintendo Senior Managing Director Yoshiro Mori

"What we need is not a next-generation machine but a next-generation way of playing games," Iwata commented. "We need to propose a new idea so that the game industry can overcome its current crisis."

Nintendo president Satoru Iwata. On stage at Nintendo's pre-E3 2004 press conference, Iwata said: "Different also defines our approach to our next home system. It won't simply be new or include new technologies. Better technology is good, but not enough. Today's consoles already offer fairly realistic expressions so simply beefing up the graphics will not let most of us see a difference. So what should a new machine do? Much more. An unprecedented gameplay experience. Something no other machine has delivered before."

BlueFire
07-22-2005, 03:24 AM
....


ooooooookay.

Crash
07-22-2005, 03:57 AM
maybe this is not it, but try to find a quote or a fact that would disprove this theory.

they said it would hook up to a tv or computer monitor? obviously that is for the backward compatability element.

DeathsHand
07-22-2005, 04:08 AM
obviously that is for the backward compatability element.

Or this is all BS and it's for Rev games too :>

I dunno it sounds interesting... I dunno... I just don't see it happening this generation...

Plus one other thing:

Nintendo knows only one person can play per revolution console, so they make the consoles connect to each other for free across the no line community, and when in close proximity.

Meaning your friends who perhaps don't own a Revolution of their own can't simply waltz over to your house to engage in multiplayer action... I just can't see them doing something like that...

Crash
07-22-2005, 04:16 AM
They can come over and play the classic games. Nintendo said they weren't forsaking the old way either (hence backward compatibility) But that isn't a problem for DS owners... they have to have a DS to play with you, and it costs $150 bux. If the revolution launches at $199 (like most think it will) I dont think it will be a problem for the revolution either.

Iwata also said on the 12th:

“Sitting in front of your monitor with a controller, there’s really nowhere to go from that paradigm, all you can do is make it prettier and faster,” he said. “What Nintendo wants to do is to open up that road, create something that goes beyond.”


reggie said:
Nobody can estimate our power. This is a big advantage. A lost opportunity never returns. I won’t be surprised if Microsoft screams when they see our Revolution.





pretty damn interesting if you ask me....

DeathsHand
07-22-2005, 04:56 AM
But that isn't a problem for DS owners... they have to have a DS to play with you, and it costs $150 bux.

But... The DS is a handheld... Handhelds are designed to be playable wherever whenever by a person on the go... They weren't originally designed for 2-4 people to all go somewhere just to hang around playing videogames...

Home consoles have always been made so that a friend (or 3) can come over and play against you on the $20 extra controller(s) you have... Not the $200 console they might not own...

Crash
07-22-2005, 05:15 AM
Home consoles have always been made so that a friend (or 3) can come over and play against you

and hence the paradigm shift of what is known as gaming, and what is known as a gaming community

Typhoid
07-22-2005, 06:49 AM
Maybe Nintendo screwing themselves over by making this a one person system is the Revolution?

DeathsHand
07-22-2005, 01:11 PM
and hence the paradigm shift of what is known as gaming, and what is known as a gaming community

That shift being a company whose always embraced multiplayer gaming, and has always tried to keep their products fairly cheap suddenly requiring everyone to have their own $200 dollar controller for 2-4+ player games :rolleyes:

I'd like to add though that since I'm not big on multiplayer games, it would indeed be very awesome (unless it sucks and causes blindness)...

DeathsHand
07-22-2005, 01:12 PM
and hence the paradigm shift of what is known as gaming, and what is known as a gaming community

That shift being a company whose always embraced multiplayer gaming, and has always tried to keep their products fairly cheap suddenly requiring everyone to have their own $200 dollar controller for 2-4+ player games :rolleyes:

I'd like to add though that since I'm not big on multiplayer games, it would indeed be very awesome (unless it sucks and causes blindness)...

Crash
07-22-2005, 01:52 PM
Leaked phone call

http://rapidshare.de/files/3248858/bruce1.wav.html

Bruce: (mumbles)"You know these are kinda of ongoing discussions and they're more directed towards our displays, were not uh, really getting information on their game development, were talking about integrating our displays with their systems, So these are gonna be, ongoing type discussions."


Emagine coorperation, and what does this corperation do?

http://www.emagin.com/svga3d.htm

What does "stereovision 3D" mean?
Stereo vision refers to the human ability to see in three dimensions and most often refers to depth perception (the ability to determine the approximate distance of objects). Stereovision 3D provides this experience by delivering two distinct images simultaneously on two separate screens, one for each eye. To illustrate this principle, place your finger at arms length at eye level and close your right eye. This will give you one perspective. Now open your right eye and close your left. Your finger appears to jump approximately an inch. While your finger does not actually move, you are viewing it from a new perspective. Our brain joins these two perspectives to give us depth perception.

http://www.emagin.com/3dvisor/assets/images/fire_side_z800_press.jpg


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Solid Snake
07-22-2005, 05:49 PM
I think there is a very good possibility it could be something similar to Crash's theory, there is a lot of evidence to support that Nintendo has at least researched something like that.

I also agree with Death's Hand that it is extremely unusual for Nintendo to force everyone to buy a console in order to do multiplayer gaming. Wouldn't it also mean that to play multiplayer you would not only have to have a console, but you would also have to bring your own TV.

I personally think Crash is definetly on to something, we have had a lot of discussions about Nintendo doing something like this. With everything Reggie and the rest of the Nintendo gang has been saying I believe that the Revolution will be something like this, it is about the only way I can think of to truly redefine the way a video game is played. But I also believe they would be smart enough to figure a way for more than one person to be playing on the same console.

DarrenMcLeod
07-22-2005, 08:41 PM
Nintendo won't make you have 4 consoles for multiplayer.

They've been mocking Sony since the PS2 launch for not having 4 controller ports, and they're not going to change that. One of their biggest markets is the 4 player party game. They have so many great franchises for it.

You will be able to have one console with 4 controllers. Believe it.

Professor S
07-23-2005, 01:35 AM
If this is the "revolution" that Nintendo has been pushing since it was announced, let me be the first to say that their revolution sucks.

Crash
07-23-2005, 01:50 AM
would you like it better if it's the same thing except has a gyroscopic controller?

Professor S
07-23-2005, 01:57 AM
I don't really think its a bad idea, I just think that Nintendo is banking way to much on gimmickry. But then again its Nintendo, so gimmicks are all they seem to be interested in as of late.

DarrenMcLeod
07-23-2005, 04:00 AM
I don't think the "Revolution" is going to live up to its hype. Everyone has such crazy ideas for it, and Nintendo itself has even said that it's not something completely original, just original to gaming.

Everyone who expects videogames to shift directions completely with the announcement may need to look elsewhere

MuGen
07-23-2005, 04:23 AM
These are the problems caused by Nintendo keeping everyone in the dark. Things will be made up, stories will be speculated and fake phone call leaks will emerge. Information about the Revolution will either be revealed, and twisted... like the game of telephone... It goes from one person to the next and a twist is added.

I don't believe any of this is true. It's a twist of many different Nintendo fans speculating what could be. Everyone is right when they say, Nintendo won't give up their 4 player party trademark.

And to have something of this caliber using inFocus and Light Speed technologies..... priced at $200? And what of the supposed Revolution of NINTENDO"S CLASSIC ARCADE.

All of these require controllers that are compatible. A system as small as the Revolution would have next to no power projecting 3d images also...

I've seen inFocus projectors and I've taken apart 3d Light Projectors before. They are huge. Something like that inside the Revolution is highly unlikely... especially with the absence of a projection lense.... how would it project the 3d environment without one? Nope right now the Rev is stuck with Component Video I/O.

Revolution is 3D? False..

DarrenMcLeod
07-23-2005, 02:23 PM
These are the problems caused by Nintendo keeping everyone in the dark. Things will be made up, stories will be speculated and fake phone call leaks will emerge. Information about the Revolution will either be revealed, and twisted... like the game of telephone... It goes from one person to the next and a twist is added.

I don't believe any of this is true. It's a twist of many different Nintendo fans speculating what could be. Everyone is right when they say, Nintendo won't give up their 4 player party trademark.

And to have something of this caliber using inFocus and Light Speed technologies..... priced at $200? And what of the supposed Revolution of NINTENDO"S CLASSIC ARCADE.

All of these require controllers that are compatible. A system as small as the Revolution would have next to no power projecting 3d images also...

I've seen inFocus projectors and I've taken apart 3d Light Projectors before. They are huge. Something like that inside the Revolution is highly unlikely... especially with the absence of a projection lense.... how would it project the 3d environment without one? Nope right now the Rev is stuck with Component Video I/O.

Revolution is 3D? False..
Agreed. Just because Nintendo is involved doesn't mean that it's for the next generation. It may just be planning for the future.

Crash
07-24-2005, 12:51 AM
These are the problems caused by Nintendo keeping everyone in the dark. Things will be made up, stories will be speculated and fake phone call leaks will emerge. Information about the Revolution will either be revealed, and twisted... like the game of telephone... It goes from one person to the next and a twist is added.

I don't believe any of this is true. It's a twist of many different Nintendo fans speculating what could be. Everyone is right when they say, Nintendo won't give up their 4 player party trademark.

And to have something of this caliber using inFocus and Light Speed technologies..... priced at $200? And what of the supposed Revolution of NINTENDO"S CLASSIC ARCADE.

All of these require controllers that are compatible. A system as small as the Revolution would have next to no power projecting 3d images also...

I've seen inFocus projectors and I've taken apart 3d Light Projectors before. They are huge. Something like that inside the Revolution is highly unlikely... especially with the absence of a projection lense.... how would it project the 3d environment without one? Nope right now the Rev is stuck with Component Video I/O.

Revolution is 3D? False..



I never said anything about a projector... where did projector come in? Infocus is involved in making stereoscopic out of a single lense yes, they just mean it hit 120 frames per second instead of 60... you can do that with the displays that emagin makes LCD displays, like the ones in VR goggles..

NO projector in my theory here.

MuGen
07-24-2005, 03:02 AM
And so Nintendo would force anyone who wants to play MP, to buy a console for themselves... then to buy a special LCD from Emagine that displays this 3D stuff?

Not happening... Nintendo is smarter than that.

Crash
07-24-2005, 02:02 PM
since when has nintendo been smart?

Dark Samurai
07-24-2005, 02:11 PM
since when has nintendo been smart?

Since the dawn of time... lol

MuGen
07-24-2005, 03:10 PM
Nintendo is dumb in some aspects but they are smart in not making their fanbase spend so much money. Is why their consoles have always been so cheap.

Crash
07-24-2005, 03:22 PM
not smart, but they are good hypnotists!!!!!

Jonbo298
07-24-2005, 04:52 PM
They wont alienate Multiplayer. Thats where they have always shined.

Nintendo already saw how horrible of a mistake it was requiring 3-4 GBA's for FF Crystal Chronicles. They surely wont be making the same mistake twice with Revolution.

Now...if they gave a huge incentive for playing a game with multiple Revolutions wirelessly linked together or something, that would be awesome. As long as it doesnt say "Requires 2 or more Revolution consoles" (replace Rev with whatever Ninty renames it to :p )

Jason1
07-24-2005, 07:26 PM
Why couldnt you just have 4 "headsets" connect to the same console? Is that not possible? I probably dont fully understand this whole thing...

DarrenMcLeod
07-24-2005, 09:48 PM
I really don't think it'll be headsets. With everyone having different eye types and glasses, etc.... and the expense... i dunno. I just don't see it.