The Draft

[Crash]

why are people so against the freaking draft? What is the big deal? Is it because people dont want to have to do anything for their country?

Not that I necessarily want the draft, but if my country says "we need you to help keep our country together"

damn right I'm going, and without complaining. I hate all the people who always want other people to fight and die for their right to call Bush an asshole. It's america, we have rights that some countries will never have. There IS a cost for that kind of freedom. Who will pay it. I hate those people that say, oh I love my country, but then will do not a damn thing to help out when needed.

IF the draft is put into effect, so be it, quit your bitchin'. You should be glad to help your country when you are needed. If you dont wanna help your country when needed, get the **** out!

[Jason1]

I might agree with you somewhat, if we actually had a reason to be fighting over there.

[Acebot44]

I might agree with you somewhat, if we actually had a reason to be fighting over there.

Mhmm

[Crash]

not all of the soldiers over there totally agree with the cause, but they have to be there...

better to let them fight and die, than us right?

just because they chose to be in the military, doesnt mean they chose to go to iraq.

its a job that someone has to do whether you or they agree with it or not, so what is the difference if it's something you agree with or not, it's going to be done, and people are still fighting and dying for "what has to be done"

I dont agree with the justification there.

[Typhoid]

Because the draft is a forceful way to get you to go.


I know that more people would be willing to volunteer for the military given the proper time, rather than be forced into it.

I knw, I, for one, would volunteer for the Army if we were in a major war that needed soldiers, However, I would also be one of those people complaining about the draft.

And I dont like the whole "You dont want to do anything for your country?" argument against people that oppose the draft. They are doing plenty. They are part of the economy. They help run the god damn country. The more people you take out of a country, the worse its economy will do in the longrun.

And its not that people "Dont want to help their country", its that they dont want to join the army, and possibly die. If the army was their line of work, wouldnt you think they would be in it already?

[Professor S]

Crash, you also have to remember that all the soldiers over there signed up of their own volition, they were not drafted. They knew the deal when they decided to join.

I don't believe there should be a draft unless we are under the most dire of circumstances. I mean national defeat is on the doorstep. I don't think this current war qualifies, and I believe that once Iraq calms down, intelligence will be far more important than the military in terms of combatting terrorism. Roght now the CIA has its head way up its ass. Just ask my Delaware County rep Curt Weldon who just wrote a book about how f**ked up the CIA and FBI still are.

[Seth]

Well, I disagree with crash on this one. (if I was a US citizen) and the draft happened right now, I'd dodge it. I'm not going to risk my life for something so intangible as a moral duty towards a nation which IMO is in Iraq for the wrong reasons.

If there was a force that had the potential to actually harm my country, and the enlistment of more soldiers was necessary for my country's defense, then I wouldn't need to be drafted, I'd probably volunteer. **** it otherwise.

[KillerGremlin]

I wouldn't go simply because I wouldn't kill anyone. I couldn't bring myself to killing someone. However, I know it's a dog eat dog world in Iraq, and in a kill or be killed situation I suppose I'd end up shooting - but, I doubt I'd let myself get into that situation. Call me a ***** or whatever, but maybe I'd be more motivated to kill people if I had reason to be doing it.

[Bond]

Millions of men and women have died to protect our country, and I would do the same if I were ever drafted. I think it would be disgraceful not to. Although now as our military is becoming more and more technologically advanced the demand for large militaries is going down, and the need for fewer, more specialized soldiers is going up, making the thought of a draft more and more unlikely.

On a side note, I wouldn't have/would not support a draft for the Iraq war, simply because it was an elective war and was not an immediate threat to national security. Although I would still go if drafted.

[DarrenMcLeod]

The other day I swear to God I got a letter in the mail
that said register with us or you're gonna go to jail
You'll be put inside a cage, then forced to enlist.

Well I laughed out loud, said I won't comply
To be labeled as one of those who qualify
to be shipped off to fight some ****ing war
'Cause war's not about policy, or religion, it's about economy
and I'm not dying to set your country free

(taken from Strung Out's Firecracker)

The only time a draft should take place is for national defence, at least in my opinion. If it's a world war, that's a different situation as well, but if you're just going and causing a bunch of trouble for no reason (ie: Iraq), then a draft is unnecessary.

[Professor S]

Just to clarify, while I would be against a draft for the Iraq war, I would also go if drafted. I don't think I'm any better than any of those that dies in Vietnam, and I would honor theie memory and sacrifice by having the guts to do what they did. I wouldn't be happy about it, but I would still do it.

On a sid note, I stupified by certain people's notions that we are going to start a draft any time soon. Where do they get this from (besides MoveOn.org and other liberal propoganda sources)? Nothing has ever been mentioned by any politician, including the President, about starting a draft. So why are people so scared that it will happen when no Congressman on their right mind would ever vote for it because it would mean their JOBS? It just makes no sense.

[Crash]

Crash, you also have to remember that all the soldiers over there signed up of their own volition, they were not drafted. They knew the deal when they decided to join.

I don't believe there should be a draft unless we are under the most dire of circumstances. I mean national defeat is on the doorstep. I don't think this current war qualifies, and I believe that once Iraq calms down, intelligence will be far more important than the military in terms of combatting terrorism. Roght now the CIA has its head way up its ass. Just ask my Delaware County rep Curt Weldon who just wrote a book about how f**ked up the CIA and FBI still are.

very well stated... I like thought out answers that explain good reason

[Typhoid]

Nothing has ever been mentioned by any politician, including the President, about starting a draft.


I agree with you, that I don't think the draft is going to happen in the US for the Iraq war anytime soon.


but that quote bugs me. Do you actually think Bush would say "Well, I'm thinking about the draft."

f*ck no. There would be so much uprisal against it. Thats why I think, if it does ever happen, it will be an overnight thing. Not an ongoing "Its coming" sort of situation. Because that gives people time to leave the country, or declare religious reasons. And the more that have time to do that, the less that get drafted.

So all in all, Saying they are thinking of a draft, or might have a draft, or a draft will possibly come, would be the single stupidest thing, Bush has ever done. It would be presidential suicide. Figuratively.

[Dylflon]

I am anti-draft all the way. The only way I'd fight is if my country was being invaded. Then I would take up arms with no questions asked.

I'm one of those nuts that believe we should be able to solve the world's probelms with diplomacy. I know this is wholly unrealistic in many cases of world affairs but I hope that in the future, we can get our **** together and cooperate as a united people.

I'm very anti-violence and I don't feel it fair to force people to be put in a kill or be killed situation against their will. Wars are hardly ever worth fighting.

[DarrenMcLeod]

Now America's got a brand new war
Can anybody tell me what we're fighting for?
Time to manufacture the illusion of safety
Don't fear, just consume to uphold the economy
Yeah we always buy everything that they're selling
Everything that they're selling

Paying for the bombs that fall on our children
Now we're headed for our own demise
Dreaming of another mushroom cloud horizon
And that's the bottom line
It's time to cancel my subscription
I just can't stomach anymore of the lies
Violence equals violence and its no solution
And that's the bottom line.

(Taken from RX Bandits - Newstand.)

For more clarification, I support the troops that go out and fight, because they are extremely brave, and they love their country and are willing to fight for it. It's the wars themselves that I don't support.

[Bond]

I am anti-draft all the way. The only way I'd fight is if my country was being invaded. Then I would take up arms with no questions asked.

I'm one of those nuts that believe we should be able to solve the world's probelms with diplomacy. I know this is wholly unrealistic in many cases of world affairs but I hope that in the future, we can get our **** together and cooperate as a united people.

I'm very anti-violence and I don't feel it fair to force people to be put in a kill or be killed situation against their will. Wars are hardly ever worth fighting.
Well, at least you're realistic in the sense that you know your expectations are unrealistic. The only time we'll band together as one people is if the planet Earth is ever threatened.

[gekko]

The reason the pro-military folks are against it is it brings in some horrible soldiers. Many will refuse to fight, and the military will have to resort to the methods they used in Vietnam, severe ass-beatings, in order to get them to comply with orders. They also are not dependable in battle, and no one knows how they will react when bullets fly by. It's hard to take a pacifist and make him into a warrior.

For the anti-war folks, they are selfish. They don't care about fighting for their country, and they don't care about bringing the troops home. You know the quickest way to get our troops home? Send replacements. We have guys going for a 3rd tour in a 4 year enlistment, and if they ever activate stop loss again, they could end up doing 4. But they are selfish, and would rather they dodge bullets time and time again than allow them to finally see their family and watch their child grow up.

As for the people out there right now, don't say they knew what they were getting into. You have no idea. What you know about the military going in, when you choose to sign the contract, is completely different from the military you experience just a few months into that 4 years. Now what choice do you have? None. They signed up for what their recruiter told them it was like, now they spend 4 years realizing they made a mistake. So don't think we volunteer for it because we love this stuff. Most people I've met, hate it.

As for the draft, the biggest problem is that the people we bring in don't get the proper training before being sent to war. I'm not sure how the Army works, but in the Marine Corps, the 3 month boot camp is all about teaching discipline, the 8 week infantry school teaches very basic skills. You learn everything else at your unit. It's not enough to send them to war immediately.

The draft would be better used to replace stateside jobs so those guys can deploy, because a lot of former infantry move on after 4 years, go do something else. Get them back, and put someone else in their jobs.

The thing most of you don't realize is that war isn't political. You guys sit around all day debating worthless politics, but the politics end when you leave this country. As soon as you're walking the streets of Fallujah, it no longer matters why we went to war, whether it was just or not, or whether the war is worth fighting. It's irrelevant. You take a look at the situation and know you're in a foreign country, you're fighting a war, at any second someone may try to kill you, and if you die you won't be coming home. Politics no longer matters, all that you worry about is survival.

[Dylflon]

War is just so damn futile.

[Joeiss]

If Canada had a draft, and I got my notice or whatever... I would go without complaint.

[Solid Snake]

First off the President will only implement a draft in dire need, therefore I support it 100%. If this country ever comes to the point where it has no choice, but to draft soldiers it would be for a good reason, and I would probably volunteer before they could draft me.

Of course soldiers hate going to Iraq, find me one person that enjoys being away from home and getting shot at. Soldiers don't enlist to go to war, they enlist to be part of something bigger, they are there to be the few brave souls who want to make their country better and stand up to evil in the world. It takes a special person to fight wars.

I personally am in support of the Iraq war, the world is a better place today because of what we have done, the only thing that worries me is I am afraid of Iraq turning into another Gaza strip.

[Professor S]

There would be so much uprisal against it. Thats why I think, if it does ever happen, it will be an overnight thing. Not an ongoing "Its coming" sort of situation. Because that gives people time to leave the country, or declare religious reasons. And the more that have time to do that, the less that get drafted.

Typhoid, whether the draft happened overnight or with warning, you would have plenty of time to run. The military doesn't just sow up at your house without warning and grab you. You receive notice and then are expected to report for duty. If you refuse and don't run, you get even more time to plan for things waiting for your court date.

Listen, there is no way that a draft will ever happen in the near future, especially not for an elective war. Like you said, it would be political suicide for both Bush and the Republican party. Thats why organizations like MoveOn.org are trying to make everyone think that a draft will happen. They want to trick people into being against President Bush. It's the far-left philosophy of "victory by any means necessary". Lies, misinformation and slander are all fair game to them.

[BreakABone]

What would you do
If you were asked to give up your dreams for freedom
What would you do
If asked to make the ultimate sacrifice

Would you think about all them people
Who gave up everything they had.
Would you think about all them War Vets
And would you start to feel bad

Freedom isn't free
It costs folks like you and me
And if we don't all chip in
We'll never pay that bill
Freedom isn't free
No, there's a hefty f^ckin' fee.
And if you don't throw in your buck 'o five
Who will?

What would you do
If someone told you to fight for freedom.
Would you answer the call
Or run away like a little pu$&y
'Cause the only reason that you're here.
Is 'cause folks died for you in the past
So maybe now it's your turn
To die kicking some ass

Freedom isn't free
It costs folks like you and me
And if we don't all chip in
We'll never pay that bill
Freedom isn't free
Now there's a have to hook'in fee
And if you don't throw in your buck 'o five
Who will?

You don't throw in your buck 'o five. Who will?
Oooh buck 'o five
Freedom costs a buck 'o five


Er was just listening to the song...