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Vampyr
05-21-2005, 10:45 PM
These are the games I thought were the best of show for each console, etc:


* GCN Best of the Show
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Kirby
Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance
Geist
Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness

* PS2 Best of the Show
Okami
Shadow of the Collossus
Final Fantasy XII
Ratchet: Deadlocked
Kingdom Hearts II

* Xbox Best of the Show
Stubbs the Zombie in Rebel without a Pulse
Conker: Live and Reloaded
Kingdom Under Fire: Heroes
Ninja Gaiden Black
Advent Rising

* GBA Best of the Show
Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones
Sigma Star Saga
Mega Man Zero 4
The Sims 2
Gunstar Super Heroes

* PSP Best of the Show
Guilty Gear Judgement
Burnout Legends
Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Viewtiful Joe VFX Battle
SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs Fireteam Bravo

* DS Best of the Show
Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow
Lost in Blue
Advanced Wars: Dual Strike
Animal Crossing DS
Meteos

* PC Best of the Show
S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl
F.E.A.R.
Spore
Battlefield 2
Tabula Rasa

* Multi-platform Best of the Show
Darkwatch
Prince of Persia 3
Marvel Nemesis: Rise of the Imperfects
Killer 7
The Godfather

* Next-Gen Best of the Show
Gears of War
Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
Killzone 2
Devil May Cry 4
Dark Sector

* Biggest Surprise
Microsoft and Square-Enix

* The Best Next Gen (Meaning, which Next-Gen console did the best).
Xbox 360

* The Best of Show
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess

* Biggest Dissapointment
The Revolution. While Nintendo is maintaining their tradition of not giving any information until the last second, it is still dissapointing to see it thrown into the shadow of the hype generated around 360 and PS3.

BlueFire
05-22-2005, 12:05 AM
The Legend of Zelda, Castlevania: Curse of Darkness, Okami, and Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow were the games I was most interested in.

Didn't really follow up on any next gen stuff..

and yeah, Nintendo is disappointing.. yadda yadda..

Jonbo298
05-22-2005, 12:05 AM
I agree with best next-gen and biggest disappointment. Microsoft showed a few games. I wish there was more then say 3 or 4 (I think thats how many were PLAYABLE) but thats just being picky for the most part. Full Auto was awesome to screw around with (from Sega).

Dissapointment - I too felt it badly. Nintendo keeps hyping up Revolution then fails to even give great detail about it claiming yet again its 'too uber to talk about' (not an exact quote :p ). Grow some hairy balls and give details to woo over the gamers at E3. Everyone is too busy drooling at PS3/360 and going 'Oh, Nintendo showed something?'

Granted, I am hyped for Revolution but I know nothing that really has grabbed me. Granted, being able to play past Nintendo games for maybe a small fee is fricken awesome but I want to see in-game shots of next-gen games. And for cripes sake, show the damn controller even if its prototype. What the hell is Microsoft/Sony gonna do about it? They will just call everything Nintendo shows a gimmick anyways. Maybe they grew so old and tired of calling Nintendo kiddy they decided to pickup the word gimmick for anything Nintendo tries to do outside the box.

Whew...anywho. Sorry for going off...

Tabula Rasa gets a huge nod from me. I heard a little bit about the game but after seeing how awesome it was for being basically an alpha of the game, its definitely one MMO I'll be watching for the next year.

Nintendogs gets a nod from me for DS best of show. That game is really addicting!!

DarkMaster
05-22-2005, 12:14 AM
GCN Best of the Show
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess

PS2 Best of the Show
Okami

Xbox Best of the Show
Conker: Live and Reloaded

GBA Best of the Show
Gunstar Super Heroes

PSP Best of the Show
Final Fantasy VII: Crisis Core

DS Best of the Show
Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga 2

PC Best of the Show
Spore

Multi-platform Best of the Show
Dark Sector

Next-Gen Best of the Show
Killzone 2

Biggest Surprise
Hideo Kojima on for MGS4

The Best Next Gen
PS3

The Best of Show
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (kind of hard to beat this one...)

Biggest Dissapointment
Where in the sh*t is Chrono Break? God dammit Square-Enix, just make the bloody thing.

Vampyr
05-22-2005, 12:26 AM
You're right about the Xbox. I had a very hard time choosing titles to put on my list because there were so few to choose from. Everything was focused on the 360 this year. Stubbs, the number one on my Xbox list, looks absolutely amazing an innovative, but it's not really Xbox exclusive because it's also coming out for the PC.

Another big dissapoint for me was the PSP. I was actually really big on buying one, but after E3 I am actually leaning more towards getting a Nintendo DS. There was very very little shown at E3 for the PSP, and even less of it was very good. The DS had tons of titles, and it took me a while to pick out of them which ones I thought were the best, while on the PSP I was grasping at straws just to find something decent. The PSP has the best games right now (Lumines, Darkstalkers, etc), and the DS is in a dry spot, but if E3 is any indication of the future (which it usually is), the DS is going to be overflowing with great games and the PSP is going to have nada. (or maybe Nada III ;))

Full Auto looks interesting, the only reason I didn't put it on my list is because I'm not really big into games built on pointless distruction. Although the physics for that game look amazing.

And I just got done watching several videos that I downloaded from GameTrailers, and I must say that I want to add Hellgate London onto my list of PC games. It looks freak'n amazing. It's a first person shooter RPG.

And Okami...wow, this one came out of nowhere. I would have to add this to a list of suprises right alongside the Microsoft/Square-Enix, because I didn't even think this one would make it to North America. The game is built on the ancient japanese tradition of charcoal drawings, and at certain points in the game you have to use a magic charcol brush type thing to make things happen on the screen. Doesn't anyone else think this would make the perfect DS game? I could easily see Capcom porting it.

And you're right about Tabula Rasa, Jonbo. In the next two years I will have a game worthy PC that I'm going to buy for college, and at that point I want to buy a MMO, and I'm deffinatly going to take this one into consideration.

And I bet you are excited about City of Villians, aren't you? That series is another MMO I'm going to consider.

And I was tempted to give best of show to Shadow of the Collossus...believe me, that game is going to rock our socks. It's one of the most original concepts I've seen in years, and has insane potential. The bad guys actually are the levels...it's like fusing Super Monkey ball with the Legend of Zelda. I'm going to feel like Legolas must have in RotK when he climbed up the elephant and slide down it's trunk.

The next Gen game that I am most excited about is Gears of War, closely followed by Dark Sector. If you havn't seen the E3 trailers of these games, go and download them now at http://www.gametrailers.com They both look absolutely amazing. Gears of War is a tactical shooter running on the Unreal engine, and it looks fantastic. I'd choose it over Killzone 2 any day. And Dark Sector...well, I have no idea, but it looks like you play a bad ass sci-fi ninja in a robotic suite.

Damn this has been a good E3...I'm so excited. It more than makes up for the crappy one last year. Now I need to find some sort of funding for all the spending I'm going to be doing over the next year. I need to become a drug lord or something.

DarkMaster
05-22-2005, 12:34 AM
I actually thought it was a pretty dry E3. I mean, after the press cons, there really wasn't anything to get excited over. All the best crap was behind closed doors.

The best games were ones that I already knew about for a long time. The lack of any major surprises was pretty strange.

Vampyr
05-22-2005, 12:38 AM
I actually thought it was a pretty dry E3. I mean, after the press cons, there really wasn't anything to get excited over. All the best crap was behind closed doors.

The best games were ones that I already knew about for a long time. The lack of any major surprises was pretty strange.

There were no major suprises, really. Nintendo didn't reveal anything, Sony revealed what was expected, and Microsoft spilt their beans weeks earlier on a lame MTV show with the Killers. Woo! Killers! .... -_-

What I'm so excited about is all the gameplay footage and information coming out of E3, especially next Gen stuff. From what I've seen at E3, my opinion has changed twice:

I now want a DS more than a PSP
I now want a 360 more than the other next Gen's.

Ginkasa
05-22-2005, 12:41 AM
* Xbox Best of the Show
Stubbs the Zombie in Rebel without a Pulse
Conker: Live and Reloaded
Kingdom Under Fire: Heroes
Ninja Gaiden Black
Perfect Dark Zero


PDZ is X360, right...?

Anyway...

I really didn't pay a whole lot of attention this year... I followed a little bit of the next-gen stuff, but none of the games really caught my eye and any that did probably weren't actually games yet so...

The only thing I really took any super interest in was Zelda...


/me shrugs and walks away

Vampyr
05-22-2005, 12:43 AM
PDZ is X360, right...?

Anyway...

I really didn't pay a whole lot of attention this year... I followed a little bit of the next-gen stuff, but none of the games really caught my eye and any that did probably weren't actually games yet so...

The only thing I really took any super interest in was Zelda...


* Link1130 shrugs and walks away

Yes, it is, thanks for catching that. +rep

I replaced it with Advent Rising, a sci-fi game written by Orson Scott Card. You loved Ender's Game too, didn't you Ginkasa?

Jonbo298
05-22-2005, 01:10 AM
ahhh yes, I forgot to mention City of Villains. Yeah...thats an awesome game to watch out for (at least for me obviously, others may not like it but meh :p )

I actually this year got 'special access' to see a "demo" of CoV in action. Since my supergroup in game is pretty well-known by the developers (first to defeat the end-game baddie after his major buff to how powerful he was back months ago), we were allowed to watch a press thingy of some CoV in action. Now, I cant talk about what I saw because all our accounts would be perma-banned so...yeah, no-no on what I saw :p

But I think this E3 was kinda, sorta, maybe dry. It had a ton of games but as IGN pointed out, this E3 was at first gonna turn out as the 'kick ass E3 that comes around every 4-5 years'. ie: New consoles, new games announced. Just a ton of new info by all 3 companies. Heated rivalries about why their console is better. But in reality, it just kinda faltered to an extent. As said above, MS came out with all the stops because well, its coming out in November and they had to have something.

Sony - unvelied the PS3Grill :p. Showed its uberness but that was about it.
Nintendo - unvelied the Revolwhotion? (wow...did I just say that? :crazy: ). All we know is the prototype case, a new IP for it, ability to download past Nintendo created games from N64 and before, backwards compatible. But...thats about it. NIntendo was too secretive and in the long run, they are gonna look back yet again and realize it hurt them a little.

BUt overall, this was still an awesome E3. Just...not as 'show-stopping' as it was seeming to want to be. Maybe next year :(

Vampyr
05-22-2005, 01:18 AM
Maybe this E3 just seems so awesome to me because it's the first one I've really kept up with EVERYTHING that was happening in it, so I feel like it was bigger. That and I'm running on pure caffeine right now, so I'm likely to get excited about anything.

I think it's great the Revolution is going to be able to download past games (I never owned a SNES, so this will be a great opportunity for me), but I think Nintendo needs to stop looking for ways to cash in on the past, and instead look to the future. In my latest issue of Nintendo Power there was an article stating that Iwata was going to revolutionize gaming by including online play. I wanted to go slap him when I read that. That's not a revolution, it's playing catch up.

But it's not just Nintendo. Other companies like Sega are also trying to cash in on the past. The sonic mega collection has outsold all of their other recent titles (not that I don't like, I'm a proud owner of the Sonic Mega Collection), but it's still pretty sad. I don't want them to stop making these collections ( a shinobi collection would kick ass), but I think it's a bit ridiculuous when none of your other games are good enough to outsell a game that is decades old.

Jonbo298
05-22-2005, 01:30 AM
Yeah, I agree Nintendo needs to 'freshen up' their games. Hell, the DS's launch title was just frickin Mario 64 with a tiny better coat of paint and hard to get used to at first controls. I dont mind something like a New Zelda game or New Mario game. I just want NEW, not rehash all day. But if they re-made Ocarina of Time to exploit Rev to its fullest extent, I wont deny it as long as it expands greatly on the game.

I still dont think the GBA got an 'original' Marioesque game. It was just rehash, rehash, etc...But overtime, they have to stop doing it. All companies have to. But if its like $5 a month to play all the Ninty classics on one console, I wont deny it. Its a damn good steal. But I just hope new fresh games are just as good.

I think Nintendo is blind-siding themselves with the whole 'Revolutionize with online gaming'. Thats like waving a 20 oz Steak in front of a pit bull (ie: Microsoft) who will just have a field day taking apart that comment

Vampyr
05-22-2005, 01:46 AM
Yeah, I agree Nintendo needs to 'freshen up' their games. Hell, the DS's launch title was just frickin Mario 64 with a tiny better coat of paint and hard to get used to at first controls. I dont mind something like a New Zelda game or New Mario game. I just want NEW, not rehash all day. But if they re-made Ocarina of Time to exploit Rev to its fullest extent, I wont deny it as long as it expands greatly on the game.

I still dont think the GBA got an 'original' Marioesque game. It was just rehash, rehash, etc...But overtime, they have to stop doing it. All companies have to. But if its like $5 a month to play all the Ninty classics on one console, I wont deny it. Its a damn good steal. But I just hope new fresh games are just as good.

I think Nintendo is blind-siding themselves with the whole 'Revolutionize with online gaming'. Thats like waving a 20 oz Steak in front of a pit bull (ie: Microsoft) who will just have a field day taking apart that comment

Yeah, you're right. That's what I was saying too. I don't mind getting rehashes of old games just as long as I get new games as well that are even better. I've been meaning to buy Super Mario Advance 2 for a long time now because I never got to play it on the SNES.

But now, after about 10 years, there is finally a new mario bros. sidescroller coming to the DS. Too bad I don't have one. :-o

BlueFire
05-22-2005, 09:10 AM
I wish Silent Hill 5 was shown


:/