IGN Editors state whether they think the Killzone footage is real.

[Teuthida]

"What do IGN editors think. Is the Killzone video real? Will the game look like that?"

Jeremy Dunham - IGNPS2
"I don't think so. I think the only way the game will look like that is if they spent several more years in development and knew how to exploit the PlayStation 3 to its fullest. I have no doubt that they can produce cutscenes that good, but then again, the cutscene gave that away!"

Ed Lewis - IGNPS2
"We're probably going to see similar type graphics...hopefully. Because that's what they're aiming for, but...oh man. Hopefully. I mean, right now it's just a concept video. What will it be? I don't know. It's way too early to tell."

Ivan Sulic - IGNPS2
"**** no."

Juan Castro - IGNCube
"Yes. It will. On PS4... 2009. Or maybe 2015."

David Clayman - IGNXbox
"No. No. No. If that's the style of the game, it will look like that, but not at that level of quality. That had separate animations for every single movement. That is not a game. It was total CG. Those little things giveaway stuff like that real well."

Doug Perry - IGNXbox
"It doesn't look real to me, but it's what I want the game to look like and I hope. But I don't think the developer is capable of that, especially based on the first game."

Stephen Butts - IGNPC
"No. The video is real in the sense that it exists in this time continuum, but no, it does not reflect what the game will look like."

Dan Adams - IGNPC
"No."


EDIT: Oops. Should probably have gone in the E3 forum.

[Dark Samurai]

Even the PS2 editors are doubting it... I agree, that video was pure CG...

[MuGen]

Who cares if the editors are doubting it.

It is natual to fear what you do not know. They are only basing their opinion on the fact that "It looks too fluid and good to be real."

But NONE of us know what the PS3 is capable of... their goal was to make Cinematic CG graphics in real-time possible.

I'm not going to say the Killzone graphics were real, and I'm not going to say it wasn't real. But we have something to look forward to here, and we shouldn't shoot it down cuz it looks TOO good.

EDIT: A microsoft representative told GameSpot that the CELL chip doesn't even exist.... Do we believe him too? PS3, although unveiled... is still a mystery to many.

EDIT 2 And this thread is almost obviously trying to kill down the hype of the graphical power of PS3. This thread coming from someone who has discredited IGN in the past....

[GameMaster]

I'm hopeful so I'll say yes.

[Perfect Stu]

it's all over for PS3







*edit*

oh, wait

Comments from coder with actual PS3 experience regarding their demo (Heavenly Swords)

http://www.ninjatheory.com/blinkblink/images/stories/hsscreens/hs_e3-2005_08t.jpg

http://www.ninjatheory.com/blinkblink/images/stories/hsscreens/hs_e3-2005_09t.jpg

According to a coder on the team, the E3 footage is generated straight from their engine @ 1080p (frames were assembled after the fact to ensure a smooth framerate). He states that he fully expects the team to get the final game running @ 30+fps at that resolution (!).

The trailer was made by selecting a bunch of in-game moves/cool things, Then those frames making up those bits were output at 1080p from the engine. These are then all stuck together in a editing and post-processing package to look like a movie trailer.

But fundementally the 'renderer' itself was in-game, so you can see the shadow issues in certain frame where the in-game shadow map resolution optimiser doesn't do its job.

So in all fairness its not quite as black and white as either real-time or CGI...

Without saying anything regarding hardware etc. I will say everything you see is still early and we expect it to run alot better in future...

*Deano, can you honestly tell me that all those soldiers running around have their own AI and animations and such?*


Yep, they are simplified entities but still have basic AI (they can avoid things, stay in formation etc., they try and jump out of the way of the boozaka if you look carefully...) and use the normal animaton system, they are even the same models, the LOD system handles it transparently. They also turn into Havok ragdolls for a decent death.

Currently they are all on a single processor core, so the framerate drops pretty sharply at high number of entities... but this should go away once we have had a chance to work the machine properly...


whole thing here:

http://forums.gaming-age.com/showthread.php?t=48465


bottom line:

PS3 tech demos were real time...PS3 trailers were a mixture of real-time engine and CG touch-ups. nothing is finished, nothing is playable, so that's the best representation they could give.

[Stray_Bullet]

I don't know what the PS3 is capable of, but I can safely say that developers are not capable of producing real-time CG.

[Null]

if you read the interview, the developers even said, its a video of what they are trying to create.

so lets just wait and see how close they come?

[MuGen]

Well there you have it. From an actual coder and someone whose worked on the PS3 Dev Kit.. and might I add, unfinished Dev Kit....

Everything in the press conference from Sony looked too good to be true, and the Killzone 2 gameplay footage added to that doubt.

Let me recall some reasons for doubt,
"It seems too scripted // Everyone seems to know what they are doing in the footage // No one plays the game this right"

Well....... when trying to show a tech demo, you figure they'd make it look the best they can.. In essence... taking into account what the Dev's of Heavenly Sword said, they selected pre-determined moves and awesome imagery and it went through post-processing or editing, and created a trailer.

For Killzone they probably did the same thing, and had someone play the game endlessly until he got every action right to create a fluid game play... rather then someone jumping around and shooting bricks until he finally reached a checkpoint to continue on in the story.

They were trying to convey the graphics capability of what they are aiming for. And they are trying to make it look nice but cutting it and touch it up with editing, but I don't expect anyone to show a tech demo of some guy jumping around and fooling around.

And what of the Ducky demo? The guy was using the unfinished PS3 hardware, using the controller to control the ducks and the battle ships.... via wireless controllers... THAT demo looked real cuz he was fooling around and such correct? If he showed a trailer with the duck flapping his wings and the water turning into a Tsunami creating a massive mess in the bathroom... showing the drama of course.....Everyone would be speculating if THAT was real...

Movies are fake because they are scripted..... Doesn't mean games have to be. Demo's are always scripted.

[Canyarion]

Like Stray said, perhaps the PS3 could this, but it would take SO long to develop these games. Imagine all the animations and models you'd have to program.

Unless they find a totally new way of making games.

[bobcat]

Even the PS2 editors are doubting it... I agree, that video was pure CG...
This is my guess too.

*waits and sees*

[MuGen]

I don't know what the PS3 is capable of, but I can safely say that developers are not capable of producing real-time CG.

It's not the developers job to render the CG in real-time. They make the programming and the A.I. and obviously the graphics portion of the game. It's the processing hardware that determines real-time or pre-rendered.

And who are you to say Developers aren't capable? They've been making these graphics for years in Cut-Scene and CG Scenes all over games. Just take those graphics, add A.I. and programming to them, and you've got a game with cinema-CG graphics.... the question is ... is the hardware capable of rendering such in real-time with no frame rate drop.

I think it's idiotic to doubt developers now a days, and it's idiotic to assume they are capable of so much.

But honestly... We really cannot say for sure what they are capable of this coming next-gen. Everything seems to good to be true, so we doubt it's authenticity. But all we're going to have to do is wait and see what they come up with.

Final Note: These demos from Sony were shown on Alpha dev kits of PS3... and Developers claim that games would look even BETTER on the final dev kit.

Now... stop doubting such a future, because it's a bright one to look forward to. Those who doubt the future will inevitably not be a part of it. The Next-Gen graphics look real and it's coming whether we're ready for this leap or not.

EDIT: I can definitely say that if Nintendo Revolution showed this footage, there would be no doubt and people all over would be saying, "So that's the next-gen huh?"

Sony has very little following on this forum, and in any instance to show a little power, it's shot down by fanboys alike. You can hide your intentions all you want with your clever simantics and grammatical manipulation.... but in reality you really don't want the PS3 to achieve these kind of graphics before the Revolution does.

Nuff said...

[Teuthida]

Actually I want a PS3. Just doubt I can afford it when it's first released. I missed out on too many quirky titles this gen by only having a cube. The reason I seem against PS3 is because you appear to be so for it. I find it fun to argue. :) Anway, I have no doubts the graphics can look that good...just not the first batch of games. And don't expect the animations to be close to that in game. I'll wait till I actually watch someone play a game to determine the graphics. As of now all I have to go by is the duck tech demo since he actually controlled the duck.

Nintendo did show Revolution footage. It really didn't look much better than GameCube. But I'm interested in what the revolutionary aspect of the console will be. I can say I don't care about graphics but I can be impressed by them. They usually determine if someone will buy a game nowadays. I've noticed that once you're actually playing though you don't notice as much. When playing Doom 3 unless I stopped and slowly looked about my surroundings I really didn't have time to notice the graphics anymore than say the original Counter-Strike. Who cares about particle effects when you got demons on your tail.

[Null]

You didnt stop to admire the graphics in doom3, that doesnt mean your mind didnt notice it. the better the graphics help you get into the game more, your mind picks things up as what they are. if you walked around doom3 in doom1 graphics, it wouldnt of been anywhere near the same. you wouldnt feel as into it. not as much of a part of it.


While graphics arent the most important thing, depending on the game type, they are HUGLY important.

[Vampyr]

Everything besides Epic and EA's stuff was CGI.

[Teuthida]

While graphics arent the most important thing, depending on the game type, they are HUGLY important.

Art style over number of polygons and special effects.

[BlueFire]

Art style over number of polygons and special effects.


i heart okami

[GameMaster]

Okami is the next best thing to Wind Waker. A wonderous and magical game. The wind beneath my wings.

[Ginkasa]

EDIT: I can definitely say that if Nintendo Revolution showed this footage, there would be no doubt and people all over would be saying, "So that's the next-gen huh?"

Sony has very little following on this forum, and in any instance to show a little power, it's shot down by fanboys alike. You can hide your intentions all you want with your clever simantics and grammatical manipulation.... but in reality you really don't want the PS3 to achieve these kind of graphics before the Revolution does.

Nuff said...


Have youe ever thought that everyone's just being realistic? I don't know if the PS3 will be capable of performing as well as the trailers indicate, but I'd rather believe that it can't and be surprised than believe it can and be disappointed. Its not a personal insult towards you or even to Sony by saying that perhaps the trailers exaggerate a bit. We've been disappointed before by tech demoes; by Nintendo, by Sony, by everyone.

Just because someone doesn't jump for glee over a demo doesn't mean they're Nintendo fanboys or against Sony. You know you're a Sony fanboy (or at least I hope so, considering your new name and all), so realize that some people, fanboys or not, are not going to be so excited as you are about things and may be a little more critical.

Its not bloody personal.

Also:

Now... stop doubting such a future, because it's a bright one to look forward to. Those who doubt the future will inevitably not be a part of it. The Next-Gen graphics look real and it's coming whether we're ready for this leap or not.


This is really stupid. The only thing keeping someone away from the next-gen's "bright future" is their budget.


/me shrugs and walks away

[bobcat]

Originally Posted by Sony
EDIT: I can definitely say that if Nintendo Revolution showed this footage, there would be no doubt and people all over would be saying, "So that's the next-gen huh?"

Sony has very little following on this forum, and in any instance to show a little power, it's shot down by fanboys alike. You can hide your intentions all you want with your clever simantics and grammatical manipulation.... but in reality you really don't want the PS3 to achieve these kind of graphics before the Revolution does.

Nuff said...

This goes back to my saying a long time ago. If a Nintendo fan says something bad about Sony, you will get comments like this (see above).

*Prepares to comment on the Ps3 without being bashed for being a Nintendo fanboy*

Done!

Sony Ps3 is the best. It has no problems, and rules so much. The controller is ergonomically designed especially for smaller handed people and had no inspiration from a banana OR boomerang. The sleek frame looks completely different from the Ps2, which is a great refreshing change.......and it's a nice size, so it can fit just about anywhere!

I absolutely LOVE the PS3!

[Vampyr]

Sony has been known to over promise and under deliever in the technical aspects of their systems. When the PS2 was first revealed they showed amazing footage that they "hoped" games could look like, but it just wasn't possible.

You can expect to see amazing graphics and details, much better than the current Gen, just don't get over excited. These CGI clips (because most of them are. George Harrison is a liar), are just examples of what the PS3 can be capable of.

[dropCGCF]

These CGI clips (because most of them are. George Harrison is a liar), are just examples of what the PS3 can be capable of.

Most systems are capable of much more than what is done with them. Sure, it's nice to have a system that CAN play CG during gameplay...blah blah blah.

Games only look as good as the amount of money that's put into the game. Lots of games on our current systems could look spectacular but it's just not worth it to game companies to push the systems to the limit. They've got a space for your hard-earned money sat aside already.

[Perfect Stu]

Sony has been known to over promise and under deliever in the technical aspects of their systems. When the PS2 was first revealed they showed amazing footage that they "hoped" games could look like, but it just wasn't possible.

You can expect to see amazing graphics and details, much better than the current Gen, just don't get over excited. These CGI clips (because most of them are. George Harrison is a liar), are just examples of what the PS3 can be capable of.


you should really take a look at that "footage" they showed in 1999...because although it took about the 3rd gen of games to show it, the PS2 has pumped out graphics that surpass the "footage"


Everything besides Epic and EA's stuff was CGI.



did you even bother reading my post earlier in this topic?

[DarrenMcLeod]

I'm not doubting the graphics of the game, because I'm pretty sure PS3 will be able to show graphics like that. But, as many have pointed out, it's way too scripted and has way too many perfect animations taking place. That's why we think it's CGI.