To those with both a DS and PSP...

[Teuthida]

Which did you enjoy more after first playing it? How does the DS compare now that you have a PSP? Which would you suggest more?

[Null]

i have a DS in the house, its not MINE, but i get the same amount of access to it.

honestly as i keep telling people, drop the names completly, who cares who makes which, look at just the list of options and decide what ones are important to you. they are both fine handhelds, just do differnet things.

that being said. i definently would NOT give up my psp for a DS, i didnt plan on buying any, but im extremly happy with my psp. it just does so much, and with many many more things it can do on the way. i love being able to hold a ton of pictures on it and it cycles thro them with ease, and i can sort them by putting them in thier own folder. and show em to whoever i like, and they're going to release a little addon on the top that lets ya take pictures with it.... And i love being able to play movies that i put on it myself. tv shows off of DVD's and my tivo. and for me personally, the bigger wide screen is much more useful to me then having 2 smaller screens.

and i enjoy the psp this much with only one game. lol. i just love all that it can do. i cant imagine how much i'll like it once its able to play the old mario and zelda games ;)


its all about what you plan on doing with the handheld. neither have any Spetacular games, but psp has some pretty good ones. and once nintendo gets over its dependency to make every DS game completly use the touch screen i think it'll have some really good ones too.

the DS is enjoyable. i'd be happy with it if i owned it. just for me i'd want all the things the psp can do and has the potential to do in the future.

And before Jonbo flips his lid, im sure MS will make a handheld sometime, and im sure it'll be good too. :p

[MuGen]

I've played my friend's DS and I've played some DS demo's at retail stores and I'd have to say it is a very enjoyable handheld. I played Wario Ware Touched and I had a lot of fun with it.

Ever since I bought the PSP, I've been playing it non-stop. I've always told myself that I would never fall into the handheld market because I never really play games on the go or while traveling. But to my surprise with the PSP, I'm playing everywhere now. Including music that I put on it.

The PSP changed the way I game... in fact I've played the PSP more the past week and a half more than I've played my PS2. But eventually that will change when I buy God of War. But back to the point, I'd have to say..

The DS and the PSP are great machines, no doubt about it, but since this is asking for opinionated discussion I'd have to say I enjoy the PSP a lot more.

Of course the DS has it's fun filled games and it's very enjoyable. But the games out for the PSP and the games I have for it, all appeal to me more, and are that much more enjoyable to me.

Hence, I enjoy the PSP more, but to avoid implication... the DS is also a wonderful machine.

And what would I suggest more? Well, it all depends on your game taste, and what you're looking for right now.

In my opinion, if your looking for in-depth games, and immersed gameplay the PSP is the way to go, with a bigger screen and great launch titles.

The DS is a party pleaser, where lots of people can have fun with it and play their favorite games.

I suggest to get the PSP to those who are pondering the decision, considerably because of the bigger LCD and the sharper resolution it gets. It also has some of the best launch titles out there. Untold Legends, Wipeout, Ridge Racer, Darkstalkers, Dynasty Warriors... a lot of fun games.

I let my friend's brother ( a very avid Nintendo fr3ak ) play the PSP with Untold Legends inside and these were his exact words... not mine:

"Ok... now i'm almost sure the DS will get owned."

Again.... his words.... not mine. So I can almost imagine what others may think after playing the PSP (yes... after playing it....not just speculating).

Dark Samurai's brother is now hooked on Untold Legends....

[Fox 6]

I didn't even have to read kyuzos post to tell you he chose sony :p

[Null]

I didn't even have to read kyuzos post to tell you he chose sony :p


you can say that for most the people on the forum tho. we know what they'll choose.

like jonbo will come in here and say he chooses the MS handheld xbox even tho there isnt one.


:p

[MuGen]

uhmm.... I think there IS one!

http://www.gametavern.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2599&stc=1

But honestly speaking, I made an honest judgement between the handhelds.

The PSP has the market in games and graphics, and right now the touch screen isn't enough to give stiff competition. Right now, I think the REAL competition will be PSP vs. the New Gameboy coming out.

But my answer was in no way bias. I've experienced both DS and PSP and the truth is PSP is a superior machine in graphics and games. The DS has battery life and loading time on it's side... as is the case with many Nintendo handhelds.

Dan asked for what we thought was a better machine and what we'd suggest. So I suggested the PSP because I believe it IS a better machine then the DS in more ways then some. It's not completely better then the DS. But Dan asked and I answered, along with any others to come.

Please don't try to make this a fanboy derived thread.

[Neo]

I don't own a PSP yet, but I imagine it would be more fun to play than the DS. Whenever I play DS I feel the screen size is restrictive now that I know there is a larger option available. I almost thought about trading in my DS, but there are a lot of cool games coming out eventually. Castlevania and Advance Wars are enough to make me want to hold on to it. Plus if I sold it I'd have to get an SP anyway so I really wouldn't be saving much.

DS
Innovative touch screen
Dual screens
Durable
Plays GBA games
Strong battery life
Fairly inexpensive

PSP
Large, crisp display
PS1.5 graphics
Plays umd movies
Plays mp3s and personal videos
Strong title selection

[Canyarion]

What do you mean with PS1.5 graphics? I'm pretty sure it has PS2 graphics, if not better.

[Dark Samurai]

For me, "unique" experiences only happen on DS, the PSP has too many ports for a "unique" experience handheld. Untold Legends is an OK kind of game on my book, Wipeout = boring, same with Lumines, Ridge Racer is the SH*T!! DarkStalkers and Twisted Metal are good games...

For the DS, the touch screen does make a difference in gameplay, sometimes bad, and sometimes good, Metroid Prime Hunters... ownage on PSP, I cant wait for it. That and Mario Kart.

For me, the DS didnt have much good games, and the PSP did... The DS needs to have a badass killer app, and Mario Kart and Metroid are just the ones to do it... Online...

[Null]

What do you mean with PS1.5 graphics? I'm pretty sure it has PS2 graphics, if not better.


i'd call em more along the lines of DC graphics. its better then 1.5, however, as much as they can pull tricks to make things look as good as they do on ps2. like they say the GT games look identical, if it were displayed on a full sized screen i think you'd notice the differences.

[MuGen]

So in essence, you chose? lol

Honestly though, I don't think too many people would strive for a DS because of games that will eventually or games that are going to come out.

At this point in time... PSP has the games that attract sales.

[Neo]

The DS makes my hands cramp. Anyone get that with the PSP?

[MuGen]

Well honestly, they don't cramp but my hands get tired playing the PSP ... lol... but it'll probably happen if you play it as long as me.

But no.... no cramps for me.

[Neo]

As soon as I start playing it my hands start to hurt. I think it's because the controls are right on the edges. The angle forces your thumbs in tight.

[Dark Samurai]

They both give me hand cramps.

[MuGen]

Well this guy told me that both handhelds have depleted uranium in them and it makes the hair on your hand fall out...

lol... (winks at Dark Samurai)

[Null]

As soon as I start playing it my hands start to hurt. I think it's because the controls are right on the edges. The angle forces your thumbs in tight.


vertical ones always did that the worst to me, like the GBC and the GBA SP. i hated the vertical design,

i find with the horizontal ones you can hold them differently to make it more comfortable.

Like i dont hold it with the edges touching my palms or base of my thumbs, i first wrap my index fingers over the sides so they're touching the shoulder buttons first. my other fingers curl up underneth to give it suport, and then i can play with my thumbs fully extended cuz the unit sits higher up in my hand.

[MuGen]

I find the PSP to be more comfortable, but thats just me. Nintendo seems to think all their customers have small hands...

[Dark Samurai]

Well this guy told me that both handhelds have depleted uranium in them and it makes the hair on your hand fall out...

lol... (winks at Dark Samurai)

HA!!! That was so funny, Sony, with their "ignorious" battery life compared to DS's.

Nintendo obviously has un-depleted uranium, making it the better handheld for the masses... Therefore the obvious choice...

(What you winking at me for?)

[Jonbo298]

Both handhelds and have their strengths and weaknesses :) DS obviously has touch screen, PSP has graphics and other various things. Both will do well. Nintendo will lose some market share but its a given. Both will live on forever. :)

[Teuthida]

Thanks for all the input guys.

Since some people said their hands felt cramped with the DS, how do you hold your system? Thumbs straight flat on the buttons or poised to attack like I do where the thumbs are bend and the tips press the buttons. I used to have a magazine that diagrammed all the ways one could hold a gameboy.

I actually like DS more as a system...but I need to play some of the games on PSP. Lumines, Mercury, and the like. (I'm a puzzle whore.) See, I would much rather these games be available for systems I already own. I would be buying PSP for games and not for the sake of the PSP whereas I think if I bought a DS it would be for the system and not so much because of the games.

Hmm, *takes a look at the list of PSP games out right now* Is Lumines worth buying a PSP for? All the other titles don't interest me in the least. And DS...well nothing on it interests me right now.

One more thing. On the train today two guys were talking about the PSP. Does Spiderman 2 (the movie on UMD) come bundled with it for free as they mentioned?

[DarkMaster]

Hmm, *takes a look at the list of PSP games out right now* Is Lumines worth buying a PSP for? All the other titles don't interest me in the least. And DS...well nothing on it interests me right now.

One more thing. On the train today two guys were talking about the PSP. Does Spiderman 2 (the movie on UMD) come bundled with it for free as they mentioned?
Whether or not you'd think Lumines is worth buying a PSP for would depend on your financial status. However, I can tell you that the game is totally awesome, bordering on brilliant. If you've played and loved games like Rez, you'll have a pretty good idea of what to expect with Lumines. With these games, it's not just about the fun and exciting gameplay, it's also very much the experience. It's like therapy for the soul, they take you to a zen-like zone, with complete immersion into a fantastic world.

Yeah, I know, same people will say "it's a puzzle game, you drop squares and make noises", but its so much more if you can just go beyond the obvious.


Anywho.... Spide-Man 2 the movie comes bundled free with the PSP value pack.

[DarrenMcLeod]

Whether or not you'd think Lumines is worth buying a PSP for would depend on your financial status. However, I can tell you that the game is totally awesome, bordering on brilliant.
I want to play Lumines so bad. I also want to play the DS game Meteos, or whatever it is being developed by the same group.

Anyways, as far as the whole DS vs PSP thing goes, I think anyone would be out of their mind to say DS. As much as I love Nintendo, I'll admit that PSP is a far sexier beast. The games look better, and it sure isn't lacking in the software market like DS was/is (this is always nintendo's biggest fault... why can't they have more titles at launch?)

The only problem with PSP is the battery and price point, which are huge for me. I was looking at the PSP, and thought of how great it'd be to have one... then I realized I could get a PS2 and a few games for much cheaper. DS has such a good price that it probably is what I'll buy in the future when I have more money. I'm not spending $350 for a handheld system (Canadian price).

[MuGen]

I just wish people would stop complaining about the price...

$250 is a value pack price, do not compare it to the DS which is the solo package.

Sure you don't need all thats in the value pack, but thats what the price point is for the value package. Discrediting the PSP or Sony for the price point and comparing it to the 180 DS is ridiculous.

In Japan they released the PSP units, individually at $185. Now what do you think is a better buy DS $180 or PSP $185? I'm sure North America will eventually get their Solo packages.

[DarrenMcLeod]

I just wish people would stop complaining about the price...

$250 is a value pack price, do not compare it to the DS which is the solo package.

Sure you don't need all thats in the value pack, but thats what the price point is for the value package. Discrediting the PSP or Sony for the price point and comparing it to the 180 DS is ridiculous.

In Japan they released the PSP units, individually at $185. Now what do you think is a better buy DS $180 or PSP $185? I'm sure North America will eventually get their Solo packages.
Where are you getting 180 for DS? It's 199 in Canada, and 150 in the states. Is that a launch price, or a store's bundle price?

And until there is a solo pack available in North America, the price point will be $250. And the price for DS will be $150. Plus, games for DS are (on average) 10 dollars cheaper (USD).

Whether you are willing to admit it or not, 100 dollars (150 in Canada) is a LOT of money, and price is an issue. I want to feel like I'm getting my money's worth when I buy a system. Rather than get a PSP with no games, I can get a DS and 3 games. That sounds pretty awesome to me as the consumer.

Battery life is also huge, because the main time I use a portable system is for road trips. If all I get is four hours of life out of a system, that's not very much at all for a lot of the travelling I do (mostly by car).

[Canyarion]

Danny, how bout Polarium for the DS? That sounds like right up your alley. :)

[Null]

I'm getting to be quite interested in Mercuy for psp, looks like a pretty cool puzzle type game. :) and they're including the tilt sensor with the game last i heard. :)

price on psp, it has room to drop, but honestly, you get a lot more with it then when the DS package, so to me it feels like the extra money went into the extra things gotten with the package.

i've yet to hear anyone with a psp complain about batteries and yet to see any real issues with mine. went a couple days using it off and on and didnt get below 50% power. and for me thats using a handheld a lot. so i have no worries about future battery problems either.

[MuGen]

You had to raise the question about the games being $10 cheaper?

I'm sorry.... they may be cheaper, but have you SEEN the graphics on the PSP? I've had speculation, but ever since I actually played it....... no cmment

[DarrenMcLeod]

You had to raise the question about the games being $10 cheaper?

I'm sorry.... they may be cheaper, but have you SEEN the graphics on the PSP? I've had speculation, but ever since I actually played it....... no cmment
Again, I was talking about price point, not graphics.

I'm not a graphics whore. I really don't care too much what games look like as long as they are some good fun. Do I think that the PSP blows away DS in the graphics department? Hell yes. But it doesn't make PSP games any cheaper, and that extra 10 dollars on a handheld system goes a long way.

As far as the "value" bundle that Null was talking about, there's nothing in there that I want. It's all unnecessary for me, and therefore it's not a value deal for me.

IGN's head to head between the two seemed to be really good to me... here's a good quote:

"So in theory, the Nintendo DS is a better portable system but the PSP is the better all-around system. This seems like a fair enough assessment and the final word we'll stick with."

That's basically my feelings.

[MuGen]

I'm not saying anything about being a graphics whore. You're not trying to understand my point. I'm not talking about graphics either, but I'm using it as a factor in my debate.

You say it's a turn off because PSP games are $10 more, and it goes a long way in handheld systems. I say, the PSP games are more expensive because they have better graphics.

Having better graphics, in turn makes development costs higher, making it $10 more. That is my arguement. I'm trying to explain WHY they are $10 more or higher.

For you it may not be, but a lot of people see the Value Pack as a good value. Sure, you may not want or need anything that comes with it, but that's no reason to say it's not a value pack. It's called a Value Pack because it has a lot of VALUE inside. 32mb memory sticks are around $20, Spiderman2 is $20, Carrying case $20, Earbuds $10. Making the package $70 more then a solo pack (180+70 = $250)

Now if you were to buy all those (if you wanted) seperately..... you'd pay a lot more in taxes... there fore making it a VALUE PACK. It's like a McDonalds Value Meal....... no one needs Fries and a Drink... but it's good to just get one thing or order one thing and have a lot more.

[Null]

As far as the "value" bundle that Null was talking about, there's nothing in there that I want. It's all unnecessary for me, and therefore it's not a value deal for me.



never said it was a deal for you, im simply stating that its not really overpriced because the extra money does goto something.'

so its not really too much money for a handheld. its that the package isnt right for you.

[DarrenMcLeod]

I'm not saying anything about being a graphics whore. You're not trying to understand my point. I'm not talking about graphics either, but I'm using it as a factor in my debate.

You say it's a turn off because PSP games are $10 more, and it goes a long way in handheld systems. I say, the PSP games are more expensive because they have better graphics.

Having better graphics, in turn makes development costs higher, making it $10 more. That is my arguement. I'm trying to explain WHY they are $10 more or higher.

For you it may not be, but a lot of people see the Value Pack as a good value. Sure, you may not want or need anything that comes with it, but that's no reason to say it's not a value pack. It's called a Value Pack because it has a lot of VALUE inside. 32mb memory sticks are around $20, Spiderman2 is $20, Carrying case $20, Earbuds $10. Making the package $70 more then a solo pack (180+70 = $250)

Now if you were to buy all those (if you wanted) seperately..... you'd pay a lot more in taxes... there fore making it a VALUE PACK. It's like a McDonalds Value Meal....... no one needs Fries and a Drink... but it's good to just get one thing or order one thing and have a lot more.
Okay, I understand a bit more of what you're saying. I knew that graphics make the development costs higher and all that sort of stuff, but i thought you were just saying "well the games look nicer so they should cost better" or something stupid like that.

As far as the Value Pack, I realize that it is called a value pack because it offers some value. I just stated that for me, and a lot of other people, a true "value pack" would come with just the system, so that the extra 70 dollars could be put towards a game rather than headphones and Spiderman 2.

never said it was a deal for you, im simply stating that its not really overpriced because the extra money does goto something.'

so its not really too much money for a handheld. its that the package isnt right for you.
Yeah, I realize that and I'm sorry if it confused anyone... I was basing it from my standpoint of not needing these things.

[Perfect Stu]

I've now gotten the chance to sample each system, and it just seems as though the DS is a generation behind PSP. The audio and video is just so much better, it's like comparing N64 to Dreamcast or PS2 when it first came out.

Actually, I think first gen PSP titles are looking better than first gen PS2 titles...

[GameMaster]

I've now gotten the chance to sample each system, and it just seems as though the DS is a generation behind PSP. The audio and video is just so much better, it's like comparing N64 to Dreamcast or PS2 when it first came out.

Actually, I think first gen PSP titles are looking better than first gen PS2 titles...

Lucky for Nintendo, that the DS was just a small side project meant to entice Nintendo fans while their next Gameboy is being developed. The DS was never meant to directly compete with PSP. That job is reserved for the next Gameboy. And when it's finally released, there's a good chance that PSP could be pwned to the max with the force of a 1000 earthquakes.

[Teuthida]

When asked about the next Game Boy at the Game Developer's conference, Reggie's head exploded. Either they're not planning on making one any time soon or the higher-ups aren't telling him anything. I think because of the good initial sales of DS they're blinded by what PSP offers. Though PSP isn't selling nearly as well as DS did...but the time of year must be taken into account too. What I've noticed though is that Nintendo does not handle competition well. They're fine when they're not chanllenged. When they are though, some chemical process sets off in the brain of the great mightly 'tendo to do something...something not so good...something evi...something...um, somethingish.

[DarrenMcLeod]

When asked about the next Game Boy at the Game Developer's conference, Reggie's head exploded. Either they're not planning on making one any time soon or the higher-ups aren't telling him anything. I think because of the good initial sales of DS they're blinded by what PSP offers. Though PSP isn't selling nearly as well as DS did...but the time of year must be taken into account too. What I've noticed though is that Nintendo does not handle competition well. They're fine when they're not chanllenged. When they are though, some chemical process sets off in the brain of the great mightly 'tendo to do something...something not so good...something evi...something...um, somethingish.
This is so true it hurts.

[Perfect Stu]

Lucky for Nintendo, that the DS was just a small side project meant to entice Nintendo fans while their next Gameboy is being developed. The DS was never meant to directly compete with PSP. That job is reserved for the next Gameboy. And when it's finally released, there's a good chance that PSP could be pwned to the max with the force of a 1000 earthquakes.

a small side project?


that's PR for admitting it is inferior compared to its competition

the PSP or GBASP can "entice" Nintendo fans while their next Gameboy is being developed, couldnt they?

[Null]

Lucky for Nintendo, that the DS was just a small side project meant to entice Nintendo fans while their next Gameboy is being developed. The DS was never meant to directly compete with PSP. That job is reserved for the next Gameboy. And when it's finally released, there's a good chance that PSP could be pwned to the max with the force of a 1000 earthquakes.


i have no idea where the rumors of a gameboy got started. i think it started just cuz nintendo said its not a sequal to the gameboy. and suddendly spewed off into this huge thing about there being a new gameboy just around the corner.

i dont believe that for 1 second and i question anyone who actually does. It would be total suicide for nintendo to release the DS, get everyone to buy one just to turn around in the same year and say, And heres the new gameboy! people would say screw that and get a PSP.

i guarentee you will NOT see another nintendo handheld untill at LEAST 2007

[GameMaster]

As an eager PSP buyer, I have a question:

Can the PSP read standard video formats like mpeg and avi?

[Perfect Stu]

As an eager PSP buyer, I have a question:

Can the PSP read standard video formats like mpeg and avi?

:lol:

I love the wording...

[Null]

As an eager PSP buyer, I have a question:

Can the PSP read standard video formats like mpeg and avi?


heh. :p

right now for video files it reads mpeg 4's but theres tons of converters out and it doesnt take much time to convert a avi into a mp4. or any other format.

[MuGen]

Null if you can direct me to a converter that would be swell..... I've downloaded like 5 converters and they all sukk.

As for PSP sales... to be honest, I think it's going rather well considering it's not near any holidays where kids and teens can get the PSP free from their parents. I saw the Launch party at the Metreon and everyone there seemed to have their own jobs, and the crowd was obviously older. I think it's smart on Sony's part to target the older audience because then they can release a system without thinking about Holidays.

I know PS3 will be around holidays though... it has to.

[Null]

http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000980024404/

thats all the info i used, it tells you where to download stuff and how to covert different types of things like DVDs and such. everything i've done so far was in that page.

i hear this is a good guide too http://psp.connect.com/tutorial.html

And this( http://www.pspvideo9.com/ ) is the recent converting program i've heard a lot about, im going to try it but havnt yet so i dunno if its any good. it looks nice tho. i'll prolly try it this weekend.

[MuGen]

Thanks, the 3GP Converter works wonders.

+rep

[KillerGremlin]

Lucky for Nintendo, that the DS was just a small side project meant to entice Nintendo fans while their next Gameboy is being developed. The DS was never meant to directly compete with PSP. That job is reserved for the next Gameboy. And when it's finally released, there's a good chance that PSP could be pwned to the max with the force of a 1000 earthquakes.

Indeed. I'll tell you this: When Nintendo released the GBA2, I'll be in line getting my PSP. I'm tired of this support Nintendo's lame "inovations." If Nintendo goes through with the GBA2, I predict they will lose the majority of their third party support behind the DS. And if that happens, the DS will literally be useless, especially because much of Nintendo's First Party software is repetitive. MARIO 256 NOW WITH TWO WATERPACKS AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

However, Grand Theft Auto on the go.....yummy.

[MuGen]

i'm glad someone else realizes the repetition of nintendo's launch titles and release titles....

[Dark Samurai]

Indeed. I'll tell you this: When Nintendo released the GBA2, I'll be in line getting my PSP. I'm tired of this support Nintendo's lame "inovations." If Nintendo goes through with the GBA2, I predict they will lose the majority of their third party support behind the DS. And if that happens, the DS will literally be useless, especially because much of Nintendo's First Party software is repetitive. MARIO 256 NOW WITH TWO WATERPACKS AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

However, Grand Theft Auto on the go.....yummy.

Wow just wow, such ignorancy...

Lame innovations? No, just no.

I cant even say anything to that... such stupidity...

[Neo]

Nintendo gets too much flack over their multiple sequals. They make sequals because their characters have been around for so long and are popular. Just wait until we have Halo 9 and we'll be singing the same toon about MS "rehashes". There's no way they'll discontinue the Halo series just on the principle of starting something new.

[KillerGremlin]

Wow just wow, such ignorancy...

Lame innovations? No, just no.

I cant even say anything to that... such stupidity...

Call me what you want, but if you think that Nintendo's little third party support will stay behind the DS if a GBA2 comes out, then you are one of the many people that have fallen into Nintendo's vortex of money suckage. As I've said before, outside first party, the dual screens are going to be greatly underused. Furthermore, innovation comes with time, you can't just make innovation. However, seeing as how I own a DS, have played a PSP, and have witnessed Nintendo's tactics over the last 10 years, I am definately one ignorant mother f*cker. (So ignorant in fact, I'll be making my next handheld investment a PSP, which I know for a fact will have strong third party support, oppossed to Nintendo's *two* handhelds with scattered third party support).

[Null]

Nintendo gets too much flack over their multiple sequals. They make sequals because their characters have been around for so long and are popular. Just wait until we have Halo 9 and we'll be singing the same toon about MS "rehashes". There's no way they'll discontinue the Halo series just on the principle of starting something new.


we're already singing that tune with just halo2. doesnt need to go up to halo9 for that. and i dont see the series going much past halo 4,

[Dark Samurai]

Call me what you want, but if you think that Nintendo's little third party support will stay behind the DS if a GBA2 comes out, then you are one of the many people that have fallen into Nintendo's vortex of money suckage. As I've said before, outside first party, the dual screens are going to be greatly underused. Furthermore, innovation comes with time, you can't just make innovation. However, seeing as how I own a DS, have played a PSP, and have witnessed Nintendo's tactics over the last 10 years, I am definately one ignorant mother f*cker. (So ignorant in fact, I'll be making my next handheld investment a PSP, which I know for a fact will have strong third party support, oppossed to Nintendo's *two* handhelds with scattered third party support).

And just what makes you think that the GBA2 is going to come this year? Let alone the next? One guy says something about a new gameboy coming this year, and everyone hates it. That "fact" has been proven false. And Nintendo's tactics? What about Sony? Just about everything on the PSP is expensive, the hardware, software, and some accesories. I didnt need to have SpiderMan 2, and all that other crap, for my PSP, and the games. The games are just ports! Nintendo did ONE PORT on the DS, and you suddenly hate it! You are one ignorant mofo...

And the predictability on Mario... I only see his platforming and kart racing games. Thats all, Mario only had, what? 13 plaformers or something? One on the Gamecube and one on the DS... how is that repetative?

[KillerGremlin]

And just what makes you think that the GBA2 is going to come this year? Let alone the next? One guy says something about a new gameboy coming this year, and everyone hates it. That "fact" has been proven false. And Nintendo's tactics? What about Sony? Just about everything on the PSP is expensive, the hardware, software, and some accesories. I didnt need to have SpiderMan 2, and all that other crap, for my PSP, and the games. The games are just ports! Nintendo did ONE PORT on the DS, and you suddenly hate it! You are one ignorant mofo...

And the predictability on Mario... I only see his platforming and kart racing games. Thats all, Mario only had, what? 13 plaformers or something? One on the Gamecube and one on the DS... how is that repetative?

Look, this whole argument is founded on whether or not Nintendo is releasing a GBA2. If Nintendo goes through with their plans, then I will defend everything I have said in the past two posts. This is all hypothetical, however, don't be surprised to see a GBA2 on the horizon - especially if the PSP is more than a minor threat.

Regarding the PSP, of course it's going to be more expensive. The thing uses a much nicer screen and has a much powerfuller processor. You can blast its price all you want, but the thing is much more capable (minus the touch screen) then the DS is.

It's not just the predictability of Mario. Nintendo has a habit of reusing ideas and themes.

Look, don't get me wrong, I like my DS. I like it a lot. I think the hardware is great, and I really would like to see some cool games on it. I'm looking forward to what Nintendo has coming, but at the same time, I'm worried that if a GBA2 does come out, the DS will have been a bit of a wasted investment.

[DarrenMcLeod]

Indeed. I'll tell you this: When Nintendo released the GBA2, I'll be in line getting my PSP. I'm tired of this support Nintendo's lame "inovations." If Nintendo goes through with the GBA2, I predict they will lose the majority of their third party support behind the DS. And if that happens, the DS will literally be useless, especially because much of Nintendo's First Party software is repetitive. MARIO 256 NOW WITH TWO WATERPACKS AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

I think someone needs a hug.

[Null]

The games are just ports! Nintendo did ONE PORT on the DS, and you suddenly hate it!

Which games are ports tho? a new game in the same series isnt a port. i mean aside from the sports games, im not really seeing any ports at all.

the only DIRECT port i've seen is mario 64, and im not saying thats a bad thing, each system will get thier own games. neither is a system thats just going to get ports. Infact sony has been pushing developers to make new games instead of porting them over to PSP, which one example of that is it was told to us by capcom that we would get Viewtiful Joe 2 on PSP. now its listed as a totally new game in the Viewtiful Joe series for PSP.


I think someone needs a hug.
i need a hug. :p of course some seem to need 2 or 3.

[KillerGremlin]

I think someone needs a hug.

Sorry, I don't want fanboy cooties.

Maybe from null or stonecutter, but not you.

[MuGen]

That has been my point of debate ever since the rumors started.

Case in point.... no matter how many of you say you will stick with Nintendo til the fat lady sings, you know you will be pissed to see the DS lose all kinds of third party support when a GBA2 comes out. The DS would be a waste of money if GBA2 comes out, and everyone knows it.

Now.... I don't see ports as rehash's considering a lot of the games on the PSP may be ports but whole new games. Take Wipeout Pure.... totally new tracks, totally new burners, and totally new graphics. Untold Legends.... have never seen any previous UL's. THUG REMIX, it has new maps and new goals and a new soundtrack. DarkStalkers.... the only DarkStalkers I know on a Sony device within the U.S.

I wouldn't call Sony repetitive at all. The ports are ports for the portability system but they add a new infastructure to the game. If you look at the big picture...

We've seen a Mario insert number here for every Nintendo console.
We've seen a Mario Kart
We've seen a Mario Party
We've even seen a SSB...

This arguement has gotten tedious....

[Dark Samurai]

Regarding the PSP, of course it's going to be more expensive. The thing uses a much nicer screen and has a much powerfuller processor. You can blast its price all you want, but the thing is much more capable (minus the touch screen) then the DS is.

The PSP alone costs 180, and in order to get one I had to pay 250, now tell me who is the money grabber? Nintendo or Sony? Make me believe that its Nintendo... go for it. If Sony delivered a solo PSP system, then I wouldve gotten that, not because it was inexpensive, but because I really dont need most of the stuff that was included with the value pack.

Sony also has a predictability on games also, but most people dont notice it, with Nintendo its obvious. Nintendo only does "heros", while Sony does both "heros" and "villians". A good example is GTA. Since GTA3 its all been the same thing, kill people for fun, kill a hooker whydoncha! and the like. Nintendo doesnt do that, and thats just fine with me...

[MuGen]

Again, quit with the arguements about price. Dark Samurai, you just made one hell of a point that hurts your arguement. Just stop complaining about price, because it hurts your rebuttle more than his.

Trying to spew something out about who the money grabber is, is bullsh*t. Your forcing a comparison between a DS and the PSP Value Package, and it's not working. Of course you don't need the value pack, but it's there, and that's the end of that discussion. But stop complaining about the price, and calling Sony a money grabber.

If Sony is the money grabber, why would their more capable and more advanced PSP unit, sell @ $180? It's a pretty slim margin with the DS' selling price. The only thing that raises the price is the value pack, and that is called "Marketing."

The PSP is obviously a more capable machine, yet sold in Japan for just a bit more than the DS....... thats not money grabbing, I say thats a deal. Just because NA Marketing Managers sold Value packs here in NA, doesn't mean Sony didn't sell solo's.

Predictability with games? Heroes and Villains? That my friend, is called Versatility, and thats why Sony has so much support. Developers don't want to sit there all day developing hapless hero saves the day adventures. Developers wan't to have fun, and they want to be versatile with their games. So calling that predicability is highly unreasonable.

Now Dark Samurai.... you have no right to be complaining about price and complaining about needing what's in the value pack...ESPECIALLY after you've already purchased it.

It's like buying a bag of chips and complaining that theres too much in it. Complain about the price, and bash Sony for it......... but after you've bit the cookie and shelled out the cash for it????? No....

[Null]

Sony also has a predictability on games also, but most people dont notice it, with Nintendo its obvious. Nintendo only does "heros", while Sony does both "heros" and "villians". A good example is GTA. Since GTA3 its all been the same thing, kill people for fun, kill a hooker whydoncha! and the like. Nintendo doesnt do that, and thats just fine with me...


talking about a first party game for sony like Gran Turismo woulda made your point a bit better. Rockstar makes GTA, and rockstar is not sony. Thats like complaing about all the mega man games they made and blaming Nintendo, it was capcom, not nintendo that did that.

[Dark Samurai]

Well I expained myself to Kyuzo, about what I said, though I still hold my beliefs, here is what I meant to say.

I'll be using Kyuzo's quote on this one,

What I was complaining about, was why Sony didnt make a solo version and the PSP, the value pack, wasnt valuable to me. Also what I didnt like was that in order for me to get the PSP I HAD to buy the value pack, THATS what I complaining about.

Heres the quote, about the chips...

Why would I buy chips for 75 cents when I can get the same satisfaction from 50 cent chips? Because theres more chips in the bag? No... I just want a taste of honey BBQ in my mouth, but that doesnt mean that I want an excruciating amount.

This is why I didnt like the value pack. I just wanted the PSP with the necessities, not accesories. That was it...

[Teuthida]

I don't see Nintendo releasing GBA2 or even officially announcing it until the DS loses major support by both developers and consumers. Then they'll probably release it as a handheld superior to PSP. Instead of dropping DS support they'll most likely market it more as a PDA device than a gaming handheld...and release an 'SP' version of it that resembles such.

[Perfect Stu]

Well I expained myself to Kyuzo, about what I said, though I still hold my beliefs, here is what I meant to say.

I'll be using Kyuzo's quote on this one,

What I was complaining about, was why Sony didnt make a solo version and the PSP, the value pack, wasnt valuable to me. Also what I didnt like was that in order for me to get the PSP I HAD to buy the value pack, THATS what I complaining about.

Heres the quote, about the chips...

Why would I buy chips for 75 cents when I can get the same satisfaction from 50 cent chips? Because theres more chips in the bag? No... I just want a taste of honey BBQ in my mouth, but that doesnt mean that I want an excruciating amount.

This is why I didnt like the value pack. I just wanted the PSP with the necessities, not accesories. That was it...


Jesus Christ...a product is either worth your money, or not worth your money

DONT buy it now, and wait for a price drop or for them to sell the PSP alone with no accessories.

It's that simple...

[Stray_Bullet]

Nintendo gets too much flack over their multiple sequals. They make sequals because their characters have been around for so long and are popular. Just wait until we have Halo 9 and we'll be singing the same toon about MS "rehashes". There's no way they'll discontinue the Halo series just on the principle of starting something new.

Sequals are fine... but I don't ever want to see Master Chief Tennis, Halo Vehicle Races, and Master Chief Golf. Also, some high numbers can be ridiculous... like the Final Fantasies (though they only use the name, many gameplay aspects are different and the stories/characters are unique) and Dragon Warrior.

I didn't want to see DOA Volleyball either. But, it's alright because there isn't a DOA Karaoke or DOA Olympics yet.


Nintendo isn't just releasing sequals... they're copy/pasting old characters in a large percentage of their games... whatever kind of game they may be.

[MuGen]

Well said...

I don't want to go around seeing party games with my favorite characters in it, especially if they are doing it over and over.

Can anyone imagine Cloud playing Tennis?

[Canyarion]

Well, if Typhus played the waterball game, why not let Cloud play tennis? :unsure:

You're all acting like the Mario Tennis, Golf, Kart... are rediculous, but they're great. Wouldn't have been the same without Mario.

See Mario as Mickey Mouse, it doesn't matter where they star in, it's just a character.

[MuGen]

Blitz ball is a mini game inside the game, it's not a seperate game.

And........ no..... Mickey Mouse has disappeared, you basically see him in old cartoons, or in Disney World. Disney cartoons these days are new and versatile, and do not contain old characters.

Nintendo fears change, when it comes to games. They see SHADOW the Hedgehog and don't want to venture into that territory. So they keep Maio in almost everything they do. It's almost as if they are overdoing the whole mascot thing.

I can compare Nintendo to Nickelback.... cookie cutter...

I have respect for Nintendo, but like Nickelback, they choose a sound that works and stick with it for a long time. (How You Remind Me and Someday... same song maybe?)

[Stray_Bullet]

You're all acting like the Mario Tennis, Golf, Kart... are rediculous, but they're great. Wouldn't have been the same without Mario.

I didn't touch Mario tennis simply because it's "Mario" tennis. Yes, it's biased, but it lost a sale, right? I'm sure the game mechanics are good. Mario Party games are fun. But, I don't play Mario <Sport title> for the mario characters, I play for the gameplay. Nintendo has plenty of good games, there are too many collaboration games, though. Too many familiar names.

Sequels are good, especially if the series is good (obviously).

I dunno, maybe I'm not being fair in that I haven't tried and tested every Mario game (that includes the wario stuff, luigi stuff. anything based on mario). And, they do produce some pretty good games. But the lack of character variety makes me turn my head before I can enjoy some pretty good gameplay.

Collaborations and sequels are great, but only in moderation. SSB was good. SSB(XX) will be redundant. Marvel vs Capcom was spectacular... MvC2 was somehow better (more characters). But, MvC was something original. There weren't too many games that had Marvel characters as fighters.


But, to reanswer your question... I do think it's ridiculous. Waluigi, Daisy, Toadette... it really reaches a line of acceptance, y'know? And it definately didn't notice that line when it passed it.

[DarrenMcLeod]

i'm glad someone else realizes the repetition of nintendo's launch titles and release titles....
Wipeout.
Twisted Metal.
Metal Gear Solid.
Ape Escape.
Tony Hawk Underground.
Ridge Racer.
Dynasty Warriors.

The same could be said with PSP. Every system tries to put out big name franchises that their customers are familiar with so that the systems and games sell.

[Canyarion]

I agree with Waluigi, Toadette etc.... :(

But Daisy has been around since... 1990? Super Mario Land for the GameBoy. :p

[Perfect Stu]

haha...Waluigi is a tool

http://www.nintendoland.com/graphics/tecknat/waluigi.gif

[bobcat]

haha...Waluigi is a tool

http://www.nintendoland.com/graphics/tecknat/waluigi.gif

No he's not!

You're just jealous of.................him :unsure:

[Dark Samurai]

haha...Waluigi is a tool

http://www.nintendoland.com/graphics/tecknat/waluigi.gif

Like this kind of tool?

http://www.mcli.dist.maricopa.edu/show/interact/images/wrench.gif

lol :rofl:

[Perfect Stu]

yes

[Teuthida]

I could see Waluigi going the Shadow route and getting his own game. Being evil and goofy I would love to see the kind of adventures he could get himself into. He's such a reject of a character that he's bound to be a success.

[MuGen]

Wipeout.
Twisted Metal.
Metal Gear Solid.
Ape Escape.
Tony Hawk Underground.
Ridge Racer.
Dynasty Warriors.

The same could be said with PSP. Every system tries to put out big name franchises that their customers are familiar with so that the systems and games sell.

Your misunderstanding the point of my statement.

It's not the repetition in games itself, it's the repetition of characters in games.

They re-use Mario characters for almost every game that has come out for DS and GCN... thats my arguement...Of course every console will have sequels to their popular franchises... but you only see Mario everywhere on GCN

Master Chief has yet to see a Tennis game...
And Jak & Daxter have not thrown a party yet.

[Blackmane]

Crash Bandicoot kart racing?

[MuGen]

Was there ever a game?

[Null]

but you only see Mario everywhere on GCN



not taking sides on this argument, but perhaps the weirdest example of all....

Mario and company in EA's NBA Street v3.




http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/038/reviews/922032_20050208_screen006.jpg

[MuGen]

omg i have never seen that........... thats almost a perfect example of what I'm talking about.

[Canyarion]

I bet a SSB clone with Sonic and other characters would sell pretty well, IF the play mechanics are good.

Cause don't forget, the Mario games ARE GOOD GAMES. And people enjoy them.

You act like all Nintendo has is Mario, but look at the top20 GCN games, I don't think 20% is Mario related.

[Null]

no doubt they sell well. and they used to be good. the lastest versions of mario gold and mario kart were huge dissapointments. but i have hopes that its only a little slip and they'll get back up with thoes for the next versions.

[MuGen]

Don't get me wrong, I am in no way saying they are bad games. I'm just making a point here, that they re-use Mario and his gang too much, and especially in gimmick games like Tennis, and Party... and now basketball.

They are all good games, but my point is... the repetition...

[DarrenMcLeod]

Yeah, Crash Bandicoot had his own racing game on Playstation back when his name meant something. (OMG MARIO KILLAR!)

Do I think that the Mario thing is a little ridiculous? Yes. NBA Street crossed the line. They don't belong there AT ALL. It was a horrible idea.

Now, Mario Kart is a franchise, and has been for ages, and I wouldn't want it any other way. Games like Mario Kart and Super Smash Brothers NEED the franchise characters to give them personality. Mario Kart wouldn't be fun with realistic drivers.

As far as creating new characters in a Nintendo game, it wouldn't have the marketing power. Top Spin Tennis is (apparently) a better tennis game than Mario Tennis. I haven't played it, so I wouldn't know, but I've heard great things. But what I do know is I've never heard anyone talk about Top Spin Tennis. My buddy owns XBox, and loves XBox Live. He also loves playing Mario Tennis with me and our buddies. But he still hasn't bought Top Spin, and won't. Strange draw that a franchise has on people.

I don't see what's wrong with franchise characters if it is their own game. I'd rather see Mario Party with Mario than with a bunch of other characters because I know the personalities of all the Nintendo characters, and the characters they introduce in other games (WarioWare for example) don't seem to have the same life. I wish WarioWare featured Mario and the gang rather than the weird cartoony guys in that game.

Talking about Microsoft not using "Master Chief Kart" is ridiculous, because he wouldn't work in anything but a shooter because of his character. The beauty of the Mushroom Kingdom is it is such a universal group of characters that can work in everything.

[Perfect Stu]

The beauty of the Mushroom Kingdom is it is such a universal group of characters that can work in everything.



http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/038/reviews/922032_20050208_screen006.jpg

[MuGen]

Your misunderstanding me Highlander... First of all, Super Smash Brothers is far from a Mario franchise game, considering it consists of Nintendo characters of all sorts and not just the Mushroom kingdom.

I have favorite games on all 3 consoles, and I like Mario Tennis and Super Smash Brothers. But my point, yet again, is that they are rehashing the Mario characters in games they need not be in.... and the biggest example in NBA street...

And I guess you haven't heard of the new GCN game coming out Mario Dance Revolution?

[DarrenMcLeod]

As I stated, I think NBA Street 3 featuring Mario characters is stupid. The Mario Dance Dance is stupid.

But Mario Kart, Mario Tennis, Super Smash Bros, Mario Golf... I like the reusing of franchise characters. I guess that's just me, though.

[Teuthida]

They should just whore out Tingle and his brothers. Imagine Dance Dance Revolution with the spandex-clade quadruplets.

[bobcat]

I don't see the major deal.

It's Mario, he's a fat Italian plumber........cut him some slack :cool:

I don't see him complaining about being a cameo in every game possible. Maybe we should all take a step back and think about how Mario is handling all this...

[The Duggler]

not taking sides on this argument...
hehe yeah right.


As for the current debate, I guess it falls back to what each fans like. Nintendo fans like the gameplay, how a game plays and how much fun they have with it. The very essence of videogames I guess.

Mario Tennis is the best tennis game out there period. I could care less if it there was 2 or 100 characters, it would still be the best tennis game.

I guess others like having lots of extra stuff around the game like different characters etc... to make up for the lack of quality gameplay mecanics.

[Null]

hehe yeah right.


well, sometime when you get the able to read everything instead of just one part you'll start to get it. until then, oh well. ;)

[MuGen]

I highly doubt a majority of people would agree that a fictional tennis game with plumbers and monkeys along with super power shots beats a real tennis game featuring real tennis players you know and love.

If you are an avid fan of tennis, then it wouldn't make sense to like mario playing tennis rather than Hewitt or Federer.

[GameMaster]

Real sport games are boring, fantasy sport games are fun and wacky! :crazy:

If I want to see a real athlete hit a real ball with a real raquet, I'll either turn on the TV or play with them in real life.

Mario Sports > Standard Video Game Sports

[Null]

They're better as a whacky fun party multiplayer game, but certainly are not better then standard sports game to play the actual sport.

[MuGen]

Mario Party and Tennis games are party pleasers and crowd pleasers.

But to those who want to play sports games and want to get a feel for the real sport rather then a sooped up cartoon version of it, will play Smash Court Tennis.

[Null]

never heard of smach court. lol. i loved Sega Tennis 2k2, and top spin was fun.

[MuGen]

just an example.... avid NFL fans will play Madden over Mario Grid Iron... if there ever was one, but I do see one in the near future.

[GameMaster]

For extreme athletes like me, real life sports is the only thing that can can quench our thirst. But at the end of day, when my crew and I want to have a good time, we kick it with Mario.

It's either that way or the highway.

[Canyarion]

Your ability to form a complete sentence is a plus. :love:

[Null]

lol. you're a goofy guy GM, but thats why we likes ya. :)

[The Duggler]

I highly doubt a majority of people would agree that a fictional tennis game with plumbers and monkeys along with super power shots beats a real tennis game featuring real tennis players you know and love.

If you are an avid fan of tennis, then it wouldn't make sense to like mario playing tennis rather than Hewitt or Federer.

I'm pretty sure that Mario tennis is the most popular tennis game out there. So there goes the majority.

I understand your point, of having a simulation feel to it, having the real players. I like that aspect too, but the gameplay far outweights that.

I'm a real tennis fan, I even play alot myself, and I'm telling you that the feeling that you get out of a mario tennis game (standard game, no power shots, I hate them) Is far more closer to the real thing than any other game I tried.

Can't wait for Mario Baseball.

[MuGen]

try Smash Court Tennis for PS2... it's uncanny how much control you have over your shots.

[Canyarion]

Top Spin on Xbox is also pretty accurate.

[Null]

I'm pretty sure that Mario tennis is the most popular tennis game out there. So there goes the majority.

I understand your point, of having a simulation feel to it, having the real players. I like that aspect too, but the gameplay far outweights that.

I'm a real tennis fan, I even play alot myself, and I'm telling you that the feeling that you get out of a mario tennis game (standard game, no power shots, I hate them) Is far more closer to the real thing than any other game I tried.

Can't wait for Mario Baseball.

some of the other tennis games are better at just tennis. they get it more accurate, however i think your probably right about mario tennis being the most popular tennis games. Tennis games in general dont sell well. Mario tennis appeal is towards a party game. that is why it sells better. But you'll notice, as i did when looking for a tennis game to buy, that there is a lack of tennis games being made. its simply because they dont sell well.

now while games like mario baseball, or mario hockey would prolly be a blast to play. i can guarentee they wont outsell the sega sports or ea sports line in thoes games.

but the odd games, like bowling, im pretty sure a Mario Bowling would far outsell a pro bowling game. lol. or mario kart would definently outsell a pro go kart game.

[Perfect Stu]

For extreme athletes like me, real life sports is the only thing that can can quench our thirst. But at the end of day, when my crew and I want to have a good time, we kick it with Mario.

It's either that way or the highway.


lol, I love it.

[DarrenMcLeod]

This whole argument comes down to opinion. The thing with Tennis is that there are not many hardcore tennis fans out there, and even though I love to play tennis, and play it a LOT, I don't follow the actual sport. I hate watching it on TV... it's not much fun. I'd rather play Mario Tennis than the "Realistic" tennis games.

However, when I play a hockey game, I sure want to play a realistic game, so it really switches depending on the context.

[Canyarion]

You play tennis in real life or digital?

Edit: great timing: http://www.cube-europe.com/news.php?nid=7606

[MuGen]

Well at least it's a cross platform release.... can't pin this one on Sony :D

[DarrenMcLeod]

I like playing tennis in real life. I play it a lot in the summer, although my town rains a lot so it's hard to get a chance to.

[Perfect Stu]

Im decent at tennis
Im quite good at tennis considering I hardly ever play
Im very good at tennis considering I hardly ever play and I'm built like a Mack truck

[Canyarion]

I'm pretty good at everything, considering everything. :)

[Perfect Stu]

I'm pretty good at everything, considering everything. :)


pretty good at everything means very good at nothing...that must suck, dude ;)

[DarrenMcLeod]

Im very good at tennis considering I hardly ever play and I'm built like a Mack truck
I'm built like a Mini.