No wonder Nintendo is secretive

[Crash]

Microsoft and sony are damn theives....


first microsoft steals nintendo's handle... now sony steals microsofts complete online plan






here's microsofts plan: http://www.gametavern.net/forums/showthread.php?t=11119

The Marketplace enables players to browse subjects by game and genre among other methods and gives them the option to acquire episodic content, new game levels, maps, weapons, vehicles, vehicle parts, character skins, and new community-created content. Micro-transactions work in coordination with the Marketplace. Here, you'll be able to buy small-ticket online items (like the aforementioned list) enabling developers and the gaming community to charge for content they create and publish on Marketplace. This ought to be interesting, considering people generally don't want to pay for these kinds of items. Custom Playlists eliminate the need for developers to support custom music in games. With Xenon, all games will support custom soundtracks via the operating system. All of these features are operational the chip level; they're all built into Xenon, so developers can focus more on creative development.

But Sony does plan to build an infrastructure around a standard protocol that developers can use and plug into their games, help developers with billing, and offer mini-transactions that mimic the iTunes model -- gamers will be able to purchase downloadable content, user-created content (GT4 experts could sell souped-up cars to newbies), episodic content, access to persistent worlds, and other entertainment content. No launch details or specifics were given for this new PS2 online model, but it is under development. To help with the storage of this content, Sony will also be releasing a larger-format memory card - again, no details there either. Hirai sums it up: "We must evolve the experience of online gaming. Non-revenue-generating online gameplay is the norm, but not for long."


this is an exact copy of microsofts plan with microsoft having custom downloadable music (and rumored xpod) online market place where users can sell user made stuff, blah blah blah...

[Null]

Wheres stu with that cryin kid picture again?

[DarkMaster]

What exactly are you complaining about? Both Sony and Microsoft's next-gen consoles will have a great online plan, and there's a problem with this?

[KillerGremlin]

Microsoft and sony are damn theives....


first microsoft steals nintendo's handle... now sony steals microsofts complete online plan






here's microsofts plan: http://www.gametavern.net/forums/showthread.php?t=11119






this is an exact copy of microsofts plan with microsoft having custom downloadable music (and rumored xpod) online market place where users can sell user made stuff, blah blah blah...

http://img.tapuz.co.il/forums/17673325.jpg

[GameMaster]

Practices like this aren't exclusive to the video game industry unfortunatley. It happens everywhere in business. Since you can't stop it, the only way to combat it is to offer something better. It actually forces companies to make great products, deals, etc. If they don't, they'll go under.

The worst cases are when a company doesn't even change a name that much. Like Microsoft's rumored XPod. I mean, if you're going to rip something, at least try not to make it blatantly obvious. It matters not, iPod will devour XPod.

[KillerGremlin]

Companies steal products all the time. I though people got over that fact ages ago.

[thatmariolover]

Companies steal products all the time. I though people got over that fact ages ago.

You don't get over it, it's wrong. And getting desensitized to it simply because it happens all the time is even more wrong.

That picture was way out of line.

[Null]

its not worng, thats how it works, new ideas become standard, and more new ideas are made after that. otherwise we'd never get anything better because there would be no reason to improve apon stuff if only one company could use it.

[thatmariolover]

its not worng, thats how it works, new ideas become standard, and more new ideas are made after that. otherwise we'd never get anything better because there would be no reason to improve apon stuff if only one company could use it.

Competition is good, emulation is stagnating.

[Null]

Competition is good, emulation is stagnating.


well i'd hate to be playin games today if no ideas where ever copied and used by others and improved apon, that would be a very sad day indeed.

[KillerGremlin]

Right. I'd just like to point out that Microsoft and Sony went online already, and Nintendo hasn't.

And was my picture really that all uncalled for?

I got just about as much out of this thread as if someone just made a post that said,

"LOOK SONY AND MICROSOFT ARE DOING THINGS SIMILAR TO THEIR COMPETITION OMG!!!!WTFWHYWOULDTHEYDOTHATOMG>AALKJGD:SKJGD:K"

[Null]

well i guess no console should really go online, because then they'd all be copying computers, and thats just wrong

[KillerGremlin]

well i guess no console should really go online, because then they'd all be copying computers, and thats just wrong

That's right. How I could I forget computers. I'm so stupid.

I guess Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony all need to pay benefits to the people that brought us the Internet, some 32 years ago.

[thatmariolover]

I never said that at all, I think you're exaggerating my posts by a fair bit. We don't need to get in a big fight about intellectual property rights. We all know that a good idea will be copied, and that without that - any industry could become stagnant. What I am trying to iterate is the fact that there is a difference from flat out copying somebody and taking an idea and improving it.

You can take something and make it your own, where an individual draws the line is personal. I'm not going to get into an arguement about where the line really is.

Crash's post had the simple intention of making Nintendo's reasons for secrecy a bit more visible. Granted, he didn't have the best examples, but the meaning for the post is still there; and thanks to both of you, has been underlined and made bold.

So somehow, despite some of the substance lacking in the post in the first place, it's gone exactly where it needed to go.

[Null]

well if your think crashes original post was to say why nintendo is secretive, then your kidding yourself. you need to dig deeper and look at his posts to see what his intentions really are.

[Canyarion]

HE THINKS NINTENDO IS BETTER THAN BOTH SONY AND MICROSOFT TOGETHER! :sneaky:

[Perfect Stu]

thatmariolover, give it a rest. you're trying to squeeze blood out of a rock at this point.


this kinda thing happens in business all the time, and it doesnt make it wrong. it's the reason why very few markets are monopolized. which is GOOD for business. nobody is breaking any copyright laws...it's not stagnant or wrong, you're just trying to pull an arguement out of your rear.

and I was surprised Crash would make a thread out of this garbage...really, I am

:rolleyes:

[Crash]

man, killer gremlin is getting bent outta shape...

take a few breaths and go hug your PS2, it'll be all right.... :beerchug:

[KillerGremlin]

I have a Gamecube, a PS2, an Xbox, and a computer. I'll hug them all, equally thank you.

I am bent out of shape, but don't take everything I post 100% seriously. That picture was supposed to be more funny then serious. :rolleyes:

And thatmariolover is way off base.

[Crash]

i have an xbox, ps2, gamecube and computer too... now we can agree and be happy....

http://members.aol.com/diggamma/graphics/bus.jpg

[KillerGremlin]

.....In a non-gay way.

[MuGen]

Oh brother.....Nintendo is secretive because they think it's good for the suspense and hype of the Revolution..... because they think that if people don't know much about the system it will leave them in suspense... which is at some times a good thing.

Sony didn't steal anything from Microsoft and Microsoft hasn't stolen anything from Nintendo. Internet has been a gateway for people to connect for many years now. It's an idea that is being expanded upon for next-gen gaming within Microsoft's and Sony's camp. It's not thievery to expand on what is already a good online gaming plan.

And Microsoft stealing Nintendo's idea of a handle? If I'm not mistaken, the handle was invented way way back. So only a fanboy would think that Nintendo created the handle concept. And yes, even if you own all three systems you CAN and WILL have a favorite.

Simply put, ideas will either be fabricated, collaborated, or copied. In the end, the competition makes better business. But the simple fact that the Online Gaming was stolen from Microsoft is complete bull. The simple fact that Microsoft stole the handle from Nintendo is complete bull.

Online gaming made it's presence with Dreamcast, and that was the first online gaming community. Handles were here before the GameCube, and ideas were copied and ellaborated on for many centuries. Now.... stop this useless bantering... because it only creates a static atmosphere of favoritism.

[Null]

Online gaming made it's presence with Dreamcast, and that was the first online gaming community.


first online CONSOLE gaming community. cant forget the little details now, otherwise the statment is wrong. ;) hehe

[KillerGremlin]

And yes, even if you own all three systems you CAN and WILL have a favorite.

Computer.

[Perfect Stu]

If I'm not mistaken, the handle was invented way way back.


I belive you ARE mistaken, my friend.


*looks it up*






...oh

[Hero2]

Online gaming made it's presence with Dreamcast, and that was the first online gaming community.

Dident the sega or the SNES have some type of connectivity thing. Were you would call the other player and you can play together....or something like that.

[Canyarion]

I know that the NES had a port for banking stuff or something... look at the bottom or your NES, it's there.

[MuGen]

I've made my point. :beerchug:

[Crash]

kyuzo takes all the fun outta it :mad:



/me goes back to thinking al gore invented the internet

[MuGen]

hahaha.....

[thatmariolover]

thatmariolover, give it a rest. you're trying to squeeze blood out of a rock at this point.


this kinda thing happens in business all the time, and it doesnt make it wrong. it's the reason why very few markets are monopolized. which is GOOD for business. nobody is breaking any copyright laws...it's not stagnant or wrong, you're just trying to pull an arguement out of your rear.

If there's something to be discussed then there's something to be discussed. I wasn't pulling an argument from anywhere. And I think if you'd actually read the thread I was the only person in the argument that didn't resort to posting offensive images or insulting people simply for making a post.

I stated that I disagreed and I gave my reasons. I thought my last post had a sense of finality to it. A sort of, let's agree to disagree sort of thing. I was trying to resolve the argument not start it.

I have a Gamecube, a PS2, an Xbox, and a computer. I'll hug them all, equally thank you.

I am bent out of shape, but don't take everything I post 100% seriously. That picture was supposed to be more funny then serious. :rolleyes:

And thatmariolover is way off base.

I'm way off base for what? I was disapproving of what you said, and told you why. What's a forum without diversity? If you can't handle a disagreement without being rude, grow up.

[Perfect Stu]

And I think if you'd actually read the thread I was the only person in the argument that didn't resort to posting offensive images or insulting people simply for making a post.

:lol:

you thought what I said was insultive to you? sorry...I dont put that much effort into relpying to your posts, man. nothing insultive in there. I gave "logical" info to back up my point as well (in case you didnt read it).

[thatmariolover]

:lol:

you thought what I said was insultive to you? sorry...I dont put that much effort into relpying to your posts, man. nothing insultive in there. I gave "logical" info to back up my point as well (in case you didnt read it).

No not at all, I didn't mean you. I meant between Killer Gremlin, Null and I. But I was very wrong anyway, going back reading, Null was very calm.

We're really misunderstanding each other.

[Crash]

everyone in this thread is misunderstanding each other...

so to lighten the mood, i'm going to tell a joke:

There's a blonde, a brunnete, and a redhead who were stuck in cave. The only way to get out was to tell a lie. So the brunnete goes and says, "I think I'm the most beautiful woman in the world!" Poof! She was gone. The redhead goes up and says, "I think I'm the most clever person in the world!" Poof, she was gone! The blonde goes up and says, "I think..." Poof! She was gone.

[Null]

everyone in this thread is misunderstanding each other...

so to lighten the mood, i'm going to tell a joke:



What do you mean we're all underestimating each other?

[BlueFire]

Reading arguements about video games.. lmao

That's always been a favorite past time of mine ;)

So much tension. You people should chill. :P

[Stray_Bullet]

What do you mean we're all underestimating each other?

:rofl: