Revolution Rumors (details leaked)

[Teuthida]

http://forums.nintendo.com/nintendo/board/message?board.id=np_gw&message.id=509680

I heard this guy gave the DS specs before they were revealed...the following could be true...or not...he's not even sure...

There has been a TON of speculation on Nintendo's upcoming console but little is actually known about it. There are so many different ideas that no one really knows what to think. So here are some supposed "facts" about the Revolution. I can't reveal my source because I've been asked not to. Sorry guys. I would say that this info has at least a 65% chance of being accurate. My source has been right before and he's also been wrong. Here goes......

Ok first things first. Yes, Nintendo will utilize gyros in it's controllers. I think most people pretty much already took this as fact. Also, the Rev will indeed have dual processors. Also broadband is built in, no modem to buy. Nintendo has an online strategy in development. It will be implemented on the DS first. There are no current plans to connect the DS and the Rev....the GB Evolution on the other hand......

The Rev will have four controller ports. It will have a hard drive which will be used in much the same way as the 64DD was supposed to be used. Things like Dolby Digital 5.1 and high def monitor support are included. There is no type of virtual reality or any kind of headset planned. It is backwards compatible with Gamecube games. It will use the HD-DVD format and not Sony's Blu-Ray. Controllers are not wireless, but wireless controllers are planned. It will launch with an unnamed Mario game and work on Zelda has already begun. Super Smash Brothers is in mid development and will be a launch title.

Ok so what's the Revolutionary part? That's what you all want to know. Well my source wouldn't tell me. He said it would get him into too much trouble, and could give Sony and Microsoft an advantage at this stage in the game. But he did say this; "if you think too hard you'll never guess what it is. It's nothing "new" technically speaking. It's just something that hasn't really been applied to video games yet."

He then said "touching is good but feeling is better". What exactly that means I have no idea. Some sort of force feedback device? We already have rumble packs.

So much for the revolutionary part. It's not the gyro controllers making it revolutionary apparently. Any ideas? I thought of those devices which read your brain waves to manipulative images on a screen. They're usually used for people to learn to concentrate better and require head gear. There's a similar one that uses brain waves triggered by feelings too. I'm probably reading way too much into his feeling hint though.

Eh, at least it's something to hold me over till E3.

[Jonbo298]

Maybe our Pikachu Plush Toys have a built in controller port we are all missing so now we can feel Pikachu as we are playing our Pokemon games :D

But those things sound cool. I don't like the HD-DVD format much (prefer the much larger blu-ray format myself), but since its Sony's format, Nintendo has to use a different one :unsure:

Thankfully I'll most likely be at this year's E3 in case Nintendo unveils the console to the world

[Ginkasa]

Gyro controllers? What does that mean..?


*shrugs and walks away*

[Teuthida]

Gyro controllers? What does that mean..?


Think Kirby Tilt n' Tumble.

[Dyne]

Stupid HD-DVD. I hope it's not.

Yeah, WAFFLE IRONS haven't been applied to video games yet.

Zing.

[Teuthida]

The thing about HD-DVD is Nintendo would be going against Matsu****a (Panasonic) if they were to go with that format since Panasonic is on the Blu-ray Disc Association Board of Directors. Perhaps Nintendo cares more about the price of production though. I don't really know the price differences between HD-DVD and Blu-ray. So for them to use HD-DVD Nintendo would drop Panasonic and partner with either Toshiba, NEC, or Sanyo. Or the rumor guy is wrong on the media used.

EDIT: *sigh* GT's language filter. Can't even write Japanese company names without it thinking I'm cursing.

[fingersman]

Ok Dan I think your thinking too deep.

Maybe he's talking about force feed back or something, because I just can't see Big N making a system where the controller that you have is used to tilt the controller to the side or front to make the person on the screen move.

Or maybe the revolution part is actually not using the A and B buttons :WHOA:
I guess we will have to wait until E3 to actually find out.

[Joeiss]

Gyros are delicious... but how will they incorporate it into a controller?

[Crash]

I already told you guys... touchpad with force feedback control... not only do you touch the touch pad, but you feed the feedback coming out of it.... if this is not what the revolution is, you can ban me from the forums....


:-(

[dropCGCF]

I say the Glove is coming back.

[Acebot44]

This is so exciting. I'm really looking forward to E3 now because I have no idea what they're talking about.

[GameMaster]

I think the 'feeling' clue they're giving us is some kind of amazing function in the controller that'll create the feeling of whatever the onscreen character is holding. For example, if it's a racing game, the controller's backside will suddenly 'feel' like a steering wheel. If it's a Zelda game, your controller will suddenly feel like a sword or other weapon.

Just a guess. :)

I'm so happy to hear Super Smash Bros. will be a launch title though! :beat:

[Jonbo298]

Ok Dan I think your thinking too deep.

Maybe he's talking about force feed back or something, because I just can't see Big N making a system where the controller that you have is used to tilt the controller to the side or front to make the person on the screen move.

Or maybe the revolution part is actually not using the A and B buttons :WHOA:
I guess we will have to wait until E3 to actually find out.

The sad part is developers will be too lazy to try something new like this. It sounds great on paper but I want to see how it works in practice. Fighting games might be a bit tough but seriously, every console's controller has a weakness to some kind of genre.

I just seriously hope that if something with Gyro's is used and works well in practice, that developers think outside the box of A/B/X/Y once in awhile :p

[gekko]

I'd take HD-DVD over any other medium avaliable, especially Blu-Ray. For all you who bitch about Nintendo going their own way on things (like proprietary discs), you should be praying for HD-DVD. It has great potential, unlike Blu-Ray. It is being designed to be backwards compatable with DVDs, so it has a greater change of being adopted by Hollywood, as well as being put into PC drives. And if movies come out on DVD, it increases the number of companies using the format, which leads to lower discs costs, which makes developers happy.

I just don't see Blu-Ray being sucessful. But this is all BS, the guy took already existing rumors and wrote about it. Just look at the way it's written, it's in the same manner that all the Dolphin BS was written in. It's the same thing every time, and the guy is always supposedly "credible" until he disappears after the trade shows.

[Jonbo298]

I'm not saying HD-DVD will be "teh suxorz", I just prefer Blu-Ray for the fact its larger and makes it much easier for High Definition stuff to fit on 1 disc intead of multiples like current DVD's are. I'd like to have all 3 LotR movies, in high def, on 1 disc instead of 3 or more.

But I'll embrace either format. Companies need to stop bitching with each other and settle on one format.

[Ginkasa]

*is confused about this Blu-Ray and HD-DVD thing*

*has never heard of it before now*

*feels left out of the loop*

*hates that...*


*shrugs and walks away*

[thatmariolover]

I'd take HD-DVD over any other medium avaliable, especially Blu-Ray. For all you who bitch about Nintendo going their own way on things (like proprietary discs), you should be praying for HD-DVD. It has great potential, unlike Blu-Ray. It is being designed to be backwards compatable with DVDs, so it has a greater change of being adopted by Hollywood, as well as being put into PC drives. And if movies come out on DVD, it increases the number of companies using the format, which leads to lower discs costs, which makes developers happy.

I just don't see Blu-Ray being sucessful. But this is all BS, the guy took already existing rumors and wrote about it. Just look at the way it's written, it's in the same manner that all the Dolphin BS was written in. It's the same thing every time, and the guy is always supposedly "credible" until he disappears after the trade shows.

I really agree. HD-DVD is the way to go right now. Particularly when it comes to movies, HD-DVD is going to end up being more versatile because of its compatability with current DVD's, and the fact that it will support more compression formats than MPEG-2.

And usually I don't I agree with a lot of what Gekko says, but I'm thinking the guy who came up with these rumors is blowing smoke. Anybody could say what he's saying and be believed. Although, I'm not going to say he's outright wrong, I just don't think he's working with any more info than we've already got to come to his conclusions.

I'm not saying HD-DVD will be "teh suxorz", I just prefer Blu-Ray for the fact its larger and makes it much easier for High Definition stuff to fit on 1 disc intead of multiples like current DVD's are. I'd like to have all 3 LotR movies, in high def, on 1 disc instead of 3 or more.

But I'll embrace either format. Companies need to stop bitching with each other and settle on one format.

It's true, they really need to decide. But I personally think it's kind of unfair of Sony to place us in a position like this. They're releasing Blu-Ray before the HD-DVD format is going to be finalized and mass produced. So if Blu-Ray starts winning over the market, backwards compatability could go bye bye if the general consumers just go with Blu-Ray because it's out first.

But as you said, whatever format wins the war will be the one that I buy into.

[Crash]

I have made a short animation on how I think the revolution controller will revolutionize gaming this next generation. I have started to say this thing before but now I have the real thing.

http://img13.exs.cx/img13/2391/controller0yh.gif

two wireless joystick type devices. on top of each one is a touch pad you control with your thumbs and it has tactile feedback on the pads (see my other posts) on the front are normal analog buttons

inside each joystick, is a gyro sensor so you can "fly" them in air individually. (imagine ace combat, mech games, driving games, etc) plus now each joystick has individual force feedback... ie if you fire the right gun, only that one shakes, and if you fire the left gun only that shakes... now not only do you have force feed back, but you can tell which side the vibrations are coming from...

each joystick has a rechargable battery in it, and you put it in the charger (which is part of the system) to recharge.

video is rendering, so it'll be up later.

[DeathsHand]

(imagine ace combat, mech games, driving games, etc)

Now imagine trying to control the genres that don't involve a vehicle of some sort...

ie if you fire the right gun, only that one shakes, and if you fire the left gun only that shakes... now not only do you have force feed back, but you can tell which side the vibrations are coming from...

What if you only have one gun? What if you have no gun... What's so special about that in the first place?

[gekko]

I really agree. HD-DVD is the way to go right now. Particularly when it comes to movies, HD-DVD is going to end up being more versatile because of its compatability with current DVD's, and the fact that it will support more compression formats than MPEG-2.

And usually I don't I agree with a lot of what Gekko says, but I'm thinking the guy who came up with these rumors is blowing smoke. Anybody could say what he's saying and be believed. Although, I'm not going to say he's outright wrong, I just don't think he's working with any more info than we've already got to come to his conclusions.



It's true, they really need to decide. But I personally think it's kind of unfair of Sony to place us in a position like this. They're releasing Blu-Ray before the HD-DVD format is going to be finalized and mass produced. So if Blu-Ray starts winning over the market, backwards compatability could go bye bye if the general consumers just go with Blu-Ray because it's out first.

But as you said, whatever format wins the war will be the one that I buy into.

Now that I got some actual time to write...

Yes, Blu-Ray has a larger capacity. Big deal. Over the years, chances are HD-DVD discs will either be released with a larger capacity, or a higher compression methoed will be developed. Do I think Blu-Ray will be a good disc? Of course, but I think it will go the way of the minidisc, and not really be adapted.

HD-DVD has the backwards compatability. They have already developed a laser than can read both blue and red laser discs. So when consumers buy their new HD-DVD player, they can still play their large DVD collection. Meanwhile, Blu-Ray lacks backwards compatability, and needs new production facilities to make the discs, and those ain't cheap.

When it comes time to sell it to the movie industry, I see them choosing HD-DVD.

As for the guy coming up with this stuff, everyone is assuming it will have a HD, an ethernet port, and everything else. He stole IGN's idea of gyros, you know he wouldn't have come up with it on his own. But he offers nothing new, nothing radical. It was the same thing last time with Dolphin. Everyone assumed it would have an LCD screen on the controller, so they people confirmed it would have a color LCD screen. When it didn't, they changed screen names.

Nintendo is not a company that is known to leak information to create hype. If it comes from developers who have the dev kits, then believe it, but don't get your heart set on it. If not, it's fake. The only time I've ever seen information leaked from Nintendo is when the GBA was revealed by a mag scan from Famitsu.

[Teuthida]

Well, he didn't just get the gyro idea from IGN (who got it from N-sider anyway). Nintendo has invested a large amount of money into Gyration (http://www.gyration.com/). Could it be for Revolution? Maybe. Or it just might be for better gyration controls as seen in such recent games as Wario Ware Twisted! and Yoshi Universal Gravitation.

And while it might not seem practical for the movie industry to go with Blu-ray, take a look at two of the names on the Blu-ray Disc Association Board of Directors:

Twentieth Century Fox
Walt Disney Pictures and Television

Two giants in film and television.

[BlueFire]

If the rumors were in any way to be true, I wonder if Nintendo would be smart enough to release Super Smash Bros with online support... naaaah.

[Blackmane]

Seriously, I don't care what other features Nintendo's next console has.

If they don't have an online plan, I'm not going to consider it.

[Jason1]

Stupid HD-DVD. I hope it's not.

Yeah, WAFFLE IRONS haven't been applied to video games yet.

Zing.


Hmmmm...I'll mention that at work... ;)

[GameMaster]

Hmmmm...I'll mention that at work... ;)

Any updates on the old man unofficially titled, "Ol' Crazy"?

[Jason1]

Any updates on the old man unofficially titled, "Ol' Crazy"?


Not really...He's been out on a very few occasions over the winter, but nothing really worth mentioning.

[Null]

Seriously, I don't care what other features Nintendo's next console has.

If they don't have an online plan, I'm not going to consider it.


have you read the latest EGM where they talk to each of the 3 about the next gen consoles? one of the questions, they start with Sony, was about how they feel about online gaming...

Sony : Major part of next gen is online, before is was like a luxury feature in a car, now its going to be standard. we have huge plans for online next gen.

MS: Online gaming is very important, we want to greatly improve apon Xbox Live, and give much more downloadable content.

Nintendo: Well...... we want to have a community... We just dont know if it'll be online or not. we dont know if it should be or if its needed...

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i think nintendo will have online next gen, but i think it will start late, and they wont support it like MS and Sony will.

[Jonbo298]

How else do you get a Community if your not online? Not everyone and their grandmother owns a Nintendo product so taht you can just readily LAN up as you please.

[Null]

How else do you get a Community if your not online? Not everyone and their grandmother owns a Nintendo product so taht you can just readily LAN up as you please.



Thats a good question, and i wondered the same thing after reading it. my hope tho is that they are NOT going to try and do the same thing as the DS where it has a wifi reciever and repeater hub in it and try to create its own network by one console connecting to the other over wifi.
but it does scare me a bit reading both that, and where they mention that the online plan will be simular to DS.

[Teuthida]

Probably the scariest thing I've could've read. Though the thing is, Nintendo wants people to experience online without the cost. Will they ever find a plausible way? Probably not in the terms most gamers would like. I'm guessing they'll start off with games that incorporate it like Homeland where one cube acts as a server allowing 30 people to play together.

Was that quote by Perrin Kaplan by any chance? She's a Jedi master and a bitch...a deadly combo pissing off people wherever she goes.