PSP = Big Problems

[Crash]

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/12/12/news_6114909.html
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Sony is supposed to release a downloadable version of its video transcoding software, Image Converter 2, to handle this, but as of yet, we haven't been able to find it.

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The PSP reads video files using a directory structure that isn't put on the stick when you initially format it for PSP use. So you'll need to create a root directory called "mp_root" first, then place another directory named "100mnv01" under it. You put your MP4s inside that directory, but they must be named a certain way for the PSP to recognize them. The naming convention is m4vXXXXX.mp4, where "XXXXX" is a series of numbers, such as, say, 00001.

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Based on our estimates and a few battery-draining tests, Ridge Racers seems to last somewhere between 90 minutes and three hours.

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We've heard reports from the development side of things that the control disc on the PSP isn't a "true" analog device. After playing a few games that use it, it's difficult to tell the difference. The disc definitely allows for more than eight directions of motion, and works fine for, say, making slight turns in Ridge Racers. That said, the disc seems to have a fairly large dead zone, and it's difficult to get very slight movements out of it.

[GameMaster]

Oh man, that's going to kill sales. Most normal people won't be able to follow that complex naming structure for music files and the flucuating battery life is definitley to steer unsure customers towards a DS unit instead. And to top it off, Gamespot says PSP's screen picks up fingerprints quite easily! No need for me to say more, Crash's new signature picture says it all.

[Canyarion]

Yes, this will surely put Sony out of the console business. What? Out of all business!
My guess is that Nintendo will take over the video/audio market. :)

:rolleyes:

[Null]

OMG! they said something bad about PSP! they must be anti psp, DS FANBOYS!!!!


:p

[Jonbo298]

Jeez, if its that hard to convert, hopefully Sony gets out software soon so its not a hassle. Battery life, its always been a creeping issue that can be solved some time if its an issue.

[Crash]

I know I'll get a PSP later on... after some good games come out... Not going to pay $200 for it at launch though... when it'll have one ridge racer and take longer than windows to boot up...

PSP has the best graphics that's clear...but i'm not a graphics hound so I can wait until: twisted metal, or something good.

[Null]

Jeez, if its that hard to convert, hopefully Sony gets out software soon so its not a hassle. Battery life, its always been a creeping issue that can be solved some time if its an issue.


wont be up to sony, i dont think sony ever planned mainly on that part. thats why they were talking about trying to sell movies on UMD's.
people who are having the problem are the ones trying to do other things with the psp. the memory card puts in, formats in a couple seconds and does what its supposed to.

People tho are trying to format movies in a format that it will read. Just as they did with CD players long ago, they were meant for people to buy music cd's. but others wanted to convert songs into a format that the players would read.
software will come out that does it. prolly already exists. but its not an issue for people who bought it has a protable gaming system.

[DeathsHand]

The only major problem I see there is battery life...

90 minutes to 3 hours... :unsure: I agree with the people who say battery life in handhelds doesn't need to last friggin like... 8-10 hours or whatever Nintendo gets out of them (just plug the dern thing in at night and problem solved, you're not gonna spend 8-10 hours playing it in one day, or at least you shouldn't), but as low as 1 1/2 hours? :unsure:

My guess is they'll find some way to fix this problem... Such as... Super... Batteries.... o.O

[Null]

The only major problem I see there is battery life...

90 minutes to 3 hours... :unsure: I agree with the people who say battery life in handhelds doesn't need to last friggin like... 8-10 hours or whatever Nintendo gets out of them (just plug the dern thing in at night and problem solved, you're not gonna spend 8-10 hours playing it in one day, or at least you shouldn't), but as low as 1 1/2 hours? :unsure:

My guess is they'll find some way to fix this problem... Such as... Super... Batteries.... o.O


yea. its also tho that this is an early game and doesnt use as many methods to try and keep battery life up. im almost betting they could remake that game in half a year and have the batter life double, by only changing the way the game works.

for me tho it wouldnt matter, i dont even think i've used a hour and a half total out of my GBA and i got that within the first month it came out. lol im still on the original batteries!


oh wait. i took thoes out and put em in a cd player... eh.. ah well.

[Canyarion]

Roflmao, you bought a GBA and never played it more than 3 hours? :D

So you're implying that when you buy a PSP, you're not going to neeed battery life? :confused:

[Null]

no actually im implying i dont need battery life cuz i dont like handhelds. lol i just dont use em, dont like the games, no reason to play em.

i dont even think i played my GBA more then a half hour total honestly. i'll be damned if i even remember where it is.

Who said i was buying a PSP? :p i think the psp is a neat gadget, but i'd never use it. same with DS.

[thatmariolover]

yea. its also tho that this is an early game and doesnt use as many methods to try and keep battery life up. im almost betting they could remake that game in half a year and have the batter life double, by only changing the way the game works.

And I kind of agree with you on that. Although I kind of doubt battery life will double, I don't doubt that a nice sized boost (40%-60%) might be possible with cleaner code and special techniques. But it's still going to be a huge problem; particularly with up and coming developers. Sony's going to have a hard time getting third party game developers to learn how to use the same battery-saving techniques. So if the PSP winds up depending heavily on 3'rd party software, say goodbye to battery life.

I was really planning on getting a PSP, but the battery life alone is enough to make me rethink it. I think I'm going to just have to see how this one plays out. Maybe I'll wait for the first price drop to get one.

In the meanwhile I'm more than happy to play my DS.

[Null]

And I kind of agree with you on that. Although I kind of doubt battery life will double, I don't doubt that a nice sized boost (40%-60%) might be possible with cleaner code and special techniques. But it's still going to be a huge problem; particularly with up and coming developers. Sony's going to have a hard time getting third party game developers to learn how to use the same battery-saving techniques. So if the PSP winds up depending heavily on 3'rd party software, say goodbye to battery life.

I was really planning on getting a PSP, but the battery life alone is enough to make me rethink it. I think I'm going to just have to see how this one plays out. Maybe I'll wait for the first price drop to get one.

In the meanwhile I'm more than happy to play my DS.


i really dont think it'll be a problem at all. and all the talk and complaining about it will fade away and people will totally forget about that issue.

the main thing that developers will have to do is just load more into ram so the game uses the Ram instead of the actual UMD disc. by cutting out that motor they save a lot of energy.

the other thing is i think sony will work on the issue with the actual hardware and next year i think you'll be seeing the psp last much longer.

doesnt help for people that bought it now. but thats the way it goes sometimes.

[bobcat]

ouch that's pretty nasty stuff.

I'm guessing that will all be cleared up b4 launch?

[thatmariolover]

ouch that's pretty nasty stuff.

I'm guessing that will all be cleared up b4 launch?

It's already been launched in Japan. I doubt they're going to make major changes before the U.S. release.

[Null]

no changes need to be made as of now. the only issue, is the battery thing.

nothing else is an issue. he said the analog stick isnt a true analog stick, but its hard to tell the difference, thats a GOOD thing. be it as it may, that its hard to do very slight adjustments, its still way better off then the dpad.

the video thing, for thoes people who are going to be putting videos on themselves and coding them to to the right format and all that. are going to know what they're doing, so finding a way to do that is easy for them. the other people i doubt will even be messing with that. thats not a prob.

and for fingerpints on the screen. dont touch the screen! thats the same for any handheld. which all get finger prints and are all easy to wipe off using your shirt.

[Dyne]

Oh my god, many defective first-gen Sony hardware units?

I wonder who saw this coming.

:D

[Null]

Oh my god, many defective first-gen Sony hardware units?

I wonder who saw this coming.

:D


prolly all thoes people who got defective DS's ;) muhaha

[DeathsHand]

Oh and another thing about PSP's battery life... I can't remember if it comes with extra batteries, or if you have to buy them... But either way, get an extra set of batteries and (although you'd have to stop in the middle) switch off...

Plus I heard PSP's battery's charge fairly quick... at least when compared to the DS... So if you really wanna go on a gaming binge somewhere where you have access to an outlet, use up batteries, replace and charge, repeat :p

Or just use the dern AC adapter if you have access to an outlet..

[bobcat]

I consider the Mp3 playback mentioned an issue for PSP buyers. I'd expect something a little more user friendly from Sony, Mp3 playback should be seamless. Hang on do you just have to rename mp4's? Or do you have to rename Mp3's too? :confused:

But the battery life is of course the biggest issue. I know how much it can be a pain, from my iPod. I'd hold off from buying one until this is fixed (or maybe it won't be an issue by the time of release)

[GT News]

I consider the Mp3 playback mentioned an issue for PSP buyers. I'd expect something a little more user friendly from Sony, Mp3 playback should be seamless. Hang on do you just have to rename mp4's? Or do you have to rename Mp3's too? :confused:

But the battery life is of course the biggest issue. I know how much it can be a pain, from my iPod. I'd hold off from buying one until this is fixed (or maybe it won't be an issue by the time of release)

Interesting gossip:
said consider the Mp3 playback mentioned an issue for PSP buyers.
What?I've lost the context, . Are we still on consider the Mp3 playback mentioned an issue for PSP buyers?
Yes I always have to rename Mp3's.Are they exactly the same?
How do you know? More than you might think. What would make you hold off from buying one until this is fixed or maybe it will not be an issue by the time of release?

[Perfect Stu]

PSP is d00med.

anyone from now on who makes a thread about the PSP assumes the description of "someone who feels teh PSP r0x"

[Null]

I consider the Mp3 playback mentioned an issue for PSP buyers. I'd expect something a little more user friendly from Sony, Mp3 playback should be seamless. Hang on do you just have to rename mp4's? Or do you have to rename Mp3's too? :confused:

But the battery life is of course the biggest issue. I know how much it can be a pain, from my iPod. I'd hold off from buying one until this is fixed (or maybe it won't be an issue by the time of release)

thoes are talking about VIDEO files. mp3's are simple. you save em on the memory stick and you play them.

What they're talking about up there (mp4's so to speak) are people trying to get the psp to play video files other then from UMD discs.

[Jason1]

Or just use the dern AC adapter if you have access to an outlet..


Totally defeats the purpose. If you have access to a wall outlet, play your PS2.

[Crash]

if you didn't believe me about the PSP shooting out the UMD's, here's a video of it... POS-P is more it...

http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~cf6y-oot/umd/fly_004.avi

[Jonbo298]

haha, "whoops" :p

[bobcat]

lol.

I like the count down part. That is so funny.

I guess that'd suck if ur playing something like FFVII and u didn't save for a very long time then suddenly it pops out...........and to make matters even worse it pops out and falls into like a drain or something on the street.

I think that'd be pretty funny if it happened to somebody I didn't know

[Perfect Stu]

Totally defeats the purpose. If you have access to a wall outlet, play your PS2.

I didnt know wall outlets had monitors

Have you never played a handheld game in an environment with wall outlets nearby? :confused:

[DeathsHand]

I didnt know wall outlets had monitors

Have you never played a handheld game in an environment with wall outlets nearby? :confused:

Exactly... I work at an ice cream store... In the winter, I'll probably get 3 customers in the period I work... So I bring along a portable gaming system...

I couldn't bring my PS2 to work, could I? But there are obviously wall outlets I could use so as to not waste batteries...

Maybe you don't have a TV in your room or you're part of a family with only 1 TV or so... Someone's using the TV... No PS2 for you, wanna play games? How bout that PSP... Since you're in your house, plug it into the wall...

Besides, if the handheld games are good enough, why not still play them at your house anyways? Just because a game system is portable, doesn't mean it's ONLY selling point is that you play it out of the house, but once you get home the system becomes obsolete and the games boring...

[thatmariolover]

I didnt know wall outlets had monitors

Have you never played a handheld game in an environment with wall outlets nearby? :confused:

Quite rarely, myself. I virtually never do. Most places I go with the intent to play a handheld system aren't equipped with a wall plug. For example, I was just in the Mall of America the other day playing Mario 64 DS with three complete strangers for a long while. It wouldn't have been possible if not for long battery life, because there were no outlets that I could find.

And in some respects it's an issue of principal. I shouldn't have to plug it in just because the battery life is attrocious. It won't be my problem until I buy a PSP. And I'm not going to make it my problem. Either it gets fixed or I'm not going to get one.

[Null]

nothin to fix. doesnt last the longest but its not broken. 3 to 6 hours for a game seems WAY more then enough.

[KillerGremlin]

I don't know......give me a portable Zelda game and I could work at it for 8 hours easy.....

[Dyne]

I don't know......give me a portable Zelda game and I could work at it for 8 hours easy.....

Yes, same goes for me, except you could change it to Fire Emblem, Pokemon (any version), the first Golden Sun, or Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow.

[thatmariolover]

nothin to fix. doesnt last the longest but its not broken. 3 to 6 hours for a game seems WAY more then enough.

90 minutes isn't.

[Null]

ask yourself what they're doing to get it that low? Perhaps they left it on the opening video sequence where it doesnt preload but plays directly off the disc? All other websites report it lasts about 3 hours. yet gamespot says a huge gap, 90min to 3hour. obviously to get that window they are testing it a different way each time. not actually playing it.

[GameMaster]

PSP with no design to prevent LCD screen scratches or other damage = pWned.

Looks like users will have to rely on a third party attachment. I'm not tolerant of screens with finger-prints or scratches. That's why the N-Gage failed: using phone feature = face prints = failed product.

[Typhoid]

PSP with no design to prevent LCD screen scratches or other damage = pWned.

Looks like users will have to rely on a third party attachment. I'm not tolerant of screens with finger-prints or scratches. That's why the N-Gage failed: using phone feature = face prints = failed product.


Theres a simple solution to all of this.

Dont be a retard and paw your screen.

Do you put your hands on your computer screen or TV while playing a game? No. So why should you on the PSP?

If it gets fingerprints, boo hoo. Suck it up shifke, its your own fault for doing that, wipe it off and dont be stupid next time and touch the screen.

[KillerGremlin]

Yeah, I got to say, my Gameboy, Gameboy Color and Gameboy Advance had considerably greater ware on the screen then my GBA:SP and my Nintendo DS.

The DS and SP where pocket ready, but the PSP isn't. Having to carry the thing around by hand sucks, and if you put it into your pocket you risk cracked and scratched screens......oh well.

[Null]

PSP with no design to prevent LCD screen scratches or other damage = pWned.

Looks like users will have to rely on a third party attachment. I'm not tolerant of screens with finger-prints or scratches. That's why the N-Gage failed: using phone feature = face prints = failed product.

DS = touch screen with finger / stylus = fingerprints / scuff marks = pWned. :rolleyes:

What exactly do you do with them to scratch em?

and i guess thats just where the target age comes in. im pretty sure most older people can keep it scratch free. people said the same thing about the ipod with the metal case. yet mine shines like brand new.

[DarkMaster]

The PSP comes with a case.




What? You guys didn't know that? You seem to know a lot about its problems though...

[fingersman]

Actually the PSP screen is scratch resistance, someone at IGn had the link for it.

Oh and I hear people say that the battery life isn't an issue cause you don't play 3/6 hours straight, but think about playing over a period of time......let's say you play it an hour everyday......at the end of 6 days, you'll have to get new batteries or recharge the ones you have.

[Null]

Actually the PSP screen is scratch resistance, someone at IGn had the link for it.

Oh and I hear people say that the battery life isn't an issue cause you don't play 3/6 hours straight, but think about playing over a period of time......let's say you play it an hour everyday......at the end of 6 days, you'll have to get new batteries or recharge the ones you have.


:hmm:

yes...and plugging it in once every 6 days is..... hard to do. lol
seriously, for anything rechargable i'd plug in pretty much every night. the thing recharges quite amazingly fast actually.

and now that i think about it. since the recharable batter is changable, when they make a longer lasting battery later on its just going to be a matter of going and buying it.

[thatmariolover]

The PSP comes with a case.




What? You guys didn't know that? You seem to know a lot about its problems though...

You seem to generalize that all of us who are disappointed with some of the PSP's shortcomings are criticizing the screen as well. I'm not at all. But even with a case it's going to get scratched unless that case is felt or microfiber on the inside. But regardless, I'm not arguing about the screens. The DS touch screen will scratch. That's why I've got one of the third party screen protectors. Works wonders.

The PSP is getting a lot more mixed media than I've heard of the DS. I'm not saying it's bad or it's good. But the battery life is not good enough for me at this stage for me to want one. Maybe if they revise it I'll look at it later. You guys can disagree with me on that, but I really don't get the point. If it works for you, then great. I just know it's not going to satisfy me. Hopefully you're all happy with it after you buy it.

[Typhoid]

But even with a case it's going to get scratched unless that case is felt or microfiber on the inside.


Actually the PSP screen is scratch resistance, someone at IGn had the link for it.


:cool:

[DarkMaster]

You seem to generalize that all of us who are disappointed with some of the PSP's shortcomings are criticizing the screen as well. I'm not at all. But even with a case it's going to get scratched unless that case is felt or microfiber on the inside. But regardless, I'm not arguing about the screens. The DS touch screen will scratch. That's why I've got one of the third party screen protectors. Works wonders.

The PSP is getting a lot more mixed media than I've heard of the DS. I'm not saying it's bad or it's good. But the battery life is not good enough for me at this stage for me to want one. Maybe if they revise it I'll look at it later. You guys can disagree with me on that, but I really don't get the point. If it works for you, then great. I just know it's not going to satisfy me. Hopefully you're all happy with it after you buy it.
...I never once made such a generalization. My point is that many of the people who say a lot of crap about the PSP know nothing about it except for its shortcomings. Why can't we have some threads about what aspects of the PSP are great? These constant "PSP has problems" debates are getting extremely annoying.

Yeah, it has a few problems. The DS has a few problems too. So does the PS2, the GCN, the Xbox, and the GBA:SP, along with any other console or handheld ever made. And to top it all off, no one has even seen or used an actual real life PSP. Seriously, these threads are fanboy fodder, nothing more.

[thatmariolover]

:cool:

Scratch resistant does not mean scratch proof.

Why can't we have some threads about what aspects of the PSP are great? These constant "PSP has problems" debates are getting extremely annoying.

Make them if you want. I already know how great the PSP is and a lot of the excellent features. But the "constant" debates (two?) are pointing out some of the things that are a problem with the PSP.

GameMaster posted a great dead pixel thread about the DS here (http://www.gametavern.net/forums/showthread.php?t=10136).

And it was met with a pretty vehement "it shouldn't happen" from Null. And he's right, it shouldn't. But at least I can take it back and get it fixed. As opposed to the battery issue (it's an issue to me - and if it isn't to you, great - but it's an issue to some of us) that can't be fixed at all.

I was excited about the PSP and still am. Hopefully Sony can work out the problems. But if they don't, I'm not going to get one.

[Perfect Stu]

The majority of the Nintendo fans in this thread had NO intention of buying a PSP no matter how flawless the system was, and are playing devil's advocate because they are threatened that PSP might actually threaten Nintendo's dominance in the handheld gaming market.

Yes, I made a generalization.

And yes, I'm right, whether you'd like to admit it or not.

[DarkMaster]

Make them if you want. I already know how great the PSP is and a lot of the excellent features. But the "constant" debates (two?) are pointing out some of the things that are a problem with the PSP.

GameMaster posted a great dead pixel thread about the DS here (http://www.gametavern.net/forums/showthread.php?t=10136).

And it was met with a pretty vehement "it shouldn't happen" from Null. And he's right, it shouldn't. But at least I can take it back and get it fixed. As opposed to the battery issue (it's an issue to me - and if it isn't to you, great - but it's an issue to some of us) that can't be fixed at all.

I was excited about the PSP and still am. Hopefully Sony can work out the problems. But if they don't, I'm not going to get one.
Interesting how you quoted that part of my post, and not the part where I actually made my point.

Yeah, it has a few problems. The DS has a few problems too. So does the PS2, the GCN, the Xbox, and the GBA:SP, along with any other console or handheld ever made. And to top it all off, no one has even seen or used an actual real life PSP. Seriously, these threads are fanboy fodder, nothing more.

[Jonbo298]

The majority of the Nintendo fans in this thread had NO intention of buying a PSP no matter how flawless the system was, and are playing devil's advocate because they are threatened that PSP might actually threaten Nintendo's dominance in the handheld gaming market.

Yes, I made a generalization.

And yes, I'm right, whether you'd like to admit it or not.

That generalization doesn't apply to me. PSP will take off. After a price drop or 2, I'll probably get one.

Threatened? I don't feel threatened at all. The handheld market needed competition that Nintendo would have to do something.

[thatmariolover]

Interesting how you quoted that part of my post, and not the part where I actually made my point.

I'm sorry I didn't reiterate your point for you.

I didn't quote the other half of your post because I wasn't replying to it. I agreed with it and it needed no statement from me. It would have gotten +rep if not for the other half of the post - which I quoted for that very reason.

That generalization doesn't apply to me. PSP will take off. After a price drop or 2, I'll probably get one.

Threatened? I don't feel threatened at all. The handheld market needed competition that Nintendo would have to do something.

Exactly. The haldheld market has been extremely stagnant for a long time now. It's awesome that there's some competition so that we'll have two great systems instead of one that was set at a laughable price.

[DarkMaster]

I'm sorry I didn't reiterate your point for you.

I didn't quote the other half of your post because I wasn't replying to it. I agreed with it and it needed no statement from me. It would have gotten +rep if not for the other half of the post - which I quoted for that very reason.



Exactly. The haldheld market has been extremely stagnant for a long time now. It's awesome that there's some competition so that we'll have two great systems instead of one that was set at a laughable price.
If you agreed with the majority of my words, you should've said so. The way I saw it was that you picked a rather loose and incoherent line from my post to try to diminish the point I was making. And hence, the reiteration of the point in the previous post.

[The Duggler]

The majority of the Nintendo fans in this thread had NO intention of buying a PSP no matter how flawless the system was, and are playing devil's advocate because they are threatened that PSP might actually threaten Nintendo's dominance in the handheld gaming market.

Yes, I made a generalization.

And yes, I'm right, whether you'd like to admit it or not.


The majority of the Sony fans in this thread had NO intention of buying a DS no matter how flawless the system was.

Yes, I made a generalization.

And yes, I'm right, whether you'd like to admit it or not.

[Null]

The majority of the Sony fans in this thread had NO intention of buying a DS no matter how flawless the system was.

Yes, I made a generalization.

And yes, I'm right, whether you'd like to admit it or not.


Doesnt QUITE work out in this particular thread that way. of been better to mention other threads for that point.

[MuGen]

I heard that Duracell is working with Sony to release a Premiere Li-ion battery for the PSP to boost life. That would be cool...

The only thing that really matters about battery life is maybe watching a movie and having it cut short if your on a airplane.

Hmmm I'm still picking it up on launch just to see how it is... that and I'm a huge sony fan... so I'll support them no matter what... lol.

I might even pick up a DS as well just so I don't have to deal with rants and bantering about which handheld is better.

I'm going to pick up the Gamecube, Xbox and have my lil pstwo and then leave the bickering up to you guys... lol

[Perfect Stu]

The majority of the Sony fans in this thread had NO intention of buying a DS no matter how flawless the system was.

Yes, I made a generalization.

And yes, I'm right, whether you'd like to admit it or not.

you're damn right.

but I'm not in here picking apart every one of the DS's flaws, I couldnt care less

I also have no intention of buying a PSP

and *GAG* at Jonbo and thatmariolover. every scratch the PSP is prone to, every less second its battery life is, you guys smile a little wider. you speak only of its negatives, it's glaringly obvious

I know others are thinking the same thing but wont say it in as many words

[MuGen]

and *GAG* at Jonbo and thatmariolover. every scratch the PSP is prone to, every less second its battery life is, you guys smile a little wider. you speak only of its negatives, it's glaringly obvious

I know others are thinking the same thing but wont say it in as many words

I choose to refrain from stating what you said to avoid a catatrophic downpoor of bantering. Good that some of us notice it. I don't want to glorify the PSP or the DS that much and I don't want to point out the flaws of either one, either. I simply have better ways of wasting my time.... like playing Initial D.... thats time AND money.

But in any case... it seems like you are right.
They probably jumped at the chance to post about these problems with the PSP.

My friend in cali bought a DS and the touch screen failed... Got it exchanged and the touch screen failed to respond to his touch..... New problem arising that DS needs to confront?

[thatmariolover]

and *GAG* at Jonbo and thatmariolover. every scratch the PSP is prone to, every less second its battery life is, you guys smile a little wider. you speak only of its negatives, it's glaringly obvious

I know others are thinking the same thing but wont say it in as many words

If you had bothered to read my earlier posts before the negatives were pointed out about the PSP, I was fully intending to buy it. Even a week ago I was still planning on getting one. Don't go generalizing on me just because I'm being a smart shopper. I didn't make one arguement about the screen except that it would get scratched (resistant or not) if you didn't put a protective screen cover on it (you could even cut one of the fit it yourself PDA screen covers). Honestly, grow up. I've got all three of the consoles and was planning on getting both of the handhelds. If I know a product isn't going to satisfy me, I'm not going to get it. When they come out and my friend gets one, I might reevaluate the situation. But until then, get off of my back.

[Perfect Stu]

I come into the handheld forum from an outside view. I have no intention of buying any handheld gaming device until possibly late 2005 at the earliest.

What I sense from "nintendo fans" (yeah, I generalized again...some dont apply, I wont name names) is this "oh god, they like ____ about the PSP...wowie, impressive :rolleyes:" attitude and a sense of relief/pride when reporting PSP negatives.

thatmariolover, you do look at things at a more objective way than most people here...I shouldn't have included you in the same sentence as Jonbo. we have our biases, which is natural, but your goggles definately dont seem as tinted. and I respect the fact that you stood up for yourself directly at me. I generalized, and that's what I wanted to hear.

I wont name names (well, I mentioned Jonbo...I wont name anymore names) of the others that give this sickening sense of childish Nintendo PR that I thought died down over the past couple years around here.

[GameMaster]

My friend in cali bought a DS and the touch screen failed... Got it exchanged and the touch screen failed to respond to his touch..... New problem arising that DS needs to confront?

It sounds like your friend is the problem ;)

On a more serious note, did this friend ever try running the calibration software on the initial boot screen that appears when you turn on the DS?

[The Duggler]

Stu you can't talk about nintendo fans like that when you are as bad as them with sony.

[Perfect Stu]

Not only can I...

I just did

Anything else?

[MuGen]

Yes my friend ran the whole enchilada... to no avail.

In any case, I don't think Nintendo fanatics could never give an accurate review of a Sony product... as Sony fanatics could never give an accurate review of a Nintendo product....

In cases like these... there will always be more negatives pointed out then the positives.

[bobcat]

I guess this really is a Sony vs Nintendo argument.

I believe that this thread was designed to list some potential problems with the PSP. I haven't seen a video of the Nintendo DS cartridge flying out while some1 is playing a game, or complaints about battery life. Therefore these are all valid points and worth bringing up.

At least I would like to know this before I buy my PSP.

I have heard some Sony fans on this forum complain about how they think the dual screen is not a feasible idea and has no potential, from the time of release, where there probably aren't enough games to even support this feature (early stages).

It kinda seems like there can be no wrong done by the PSP. The moment a problem is brought up, everyone goes on the defensive without even properly thinking about the problem and how it can affect users.

If people see problems with the PSP, and they think it's a big problem, then I say it's fine. But not to the point where they are saying "PSP is gonna fail" or Nintendo DS is gonna fail". It's too early to tell I guess.......

Sony fanboys are just as bad as Nintendo fanboys. At least I am a fanboy who can admit that the Gamecube is my least played console out of the 3 and the Ps2 shined this gaming generation. And also I am looking forward to both handhelds, but am a little skeptical about some of the PSP issues discussed in this thread (as most of you should be). Wait and see no?

[Null]

I guess this really is a Sony vs Nintendo argument.

I believe that this thread was designed to list some potential problems with the PSP. I haven't seen a video of the Nintendo DS cartridge flying out while some1 is playing a game, or complaints about battery life. Therefore these are all valid points and worth bringing up.



well thats part of the problem, many of these arent problems at all, and are just points to make either one look bad.

it helps to know what exactly your looking at tho, the disc poping out, i dont see a disc poping out while someone is playing. i see someone torquing the thing, twisting the whole unit and looks to be trying to hit the eject button with one of his fingers behind it.

and actually the more i look at that damn video, the more it looks like its a camera trick and its upside down, it appears to be the disc is just falling out, but because of how the camera is making it look like its shooting out. Cant find the video right now but i remember when they showed em putting in a disc, there was no spring action to it. it slid in, and shut, pops open kinda like the old cassette tapes did, and you pull the umd out.



besides questionable battery life for psp, and pixel problems on ds, i dont see any major problems on either.

[bobcat]

and actually the more i look at that damn video, the more it looks like its a camera trick and its upside down, it appears to be the disc is just falling out, but because of how the camera is making it look like its shooting out. Cant find the video right now but i remember when they showed em putting in a disc, there was no spring action to it. it slid in, and shut, pops open kinda like the old cassette tapes did, and you pull the umd out.
Yer at first I was thinking that it was a trick. I'm not sure though. It kinda looks like he's just playing it. But it could be.....who knows.

[RagedHybrid]

Everyone has a bias. There is no way that no one does. I have taken my side with the DS.

But here is my way of trying to to sound bias when talking about either system.

No system is perfect.

The DS is a great system with limitless possibilites. It has great graphics and the touch screen adds a whole new dimension of gaming.

Now the shortcommings are:

-Lack of release games
-Too many rehashes
-Not if 3rd party support is fully there

I'll discuss some other parts and some similarities with the psp later.

Now the psp. The psp is a great system with graphics up the arse and the ability to be a full media center. It has a beautiful screen and it's design just makes a man want to *ahem* in his pants.

Some short commings:

-Short battery life
-System fragility
-UMD Ejection may be possible. The video looks very realistic becuase he was no where near the eject button. If this is real. Sony may have a small problem on thier hands.


Now, the DS and psp both has fragile screens. The fact that the psp's screen is just out there and the DS's touch screen doesn't help it. But for both of them, just get a screen cover. It will cost about 10 bucks at most, but it make sure that your screen is going to be protected from scratches, (unless dropped from very high distances, in that case, your screwed) from glare, and fingerprints.

The nintendo will have some trouble if they really don't fully utilize all the features of the DS. They also must make sure that the DS has a strong 3rd party support which as the usual with nintendo is a little shaky but since it is a handheld, i believe the support with grow with some time.

The psp's battery life will probably be bettered as developers understand the hardware better. Ridger Racers was the first porible game with that much graphic capability but they never really though of battery conservation techniques. They will probably be developed as more games are created. Also stronger batteries will be created for the psp over time and if anything just buy a second battery and replace it when it dies on the road. It's easy to replace.

Now with the whole lack of video playback unless you can screw around with the directories and the codec. Sony usually doesn't do well with the releases of their hardware. All the features will be of use in a small amount of time as they relese what you need.

and dead pixels.... everything that is lcd will have one no matter what you do. So deal.

Each portable console has their differences but they are both great in their own way.

Personally i chose the DS. To me i don't need ps2 graphics to enjoy a good game. I also don't need my portable player to play music, thats what my ipod is for. Even though there is now an addon that will fit in your gba or gba slot in your DS that reads SD memory cards and plays mp3's and mpeg movies, but it's an addon. You do not have to have that already on it. I like that option. But thats my personal opinion.

I'm still not sure if i am going to get a psp myself. I'm looking at the games that will be released with it here in the americas and so far no game has really caught my attention. If i see a game or two that catch my eye or games that will come after the release that capture my eye then i might consider it but until then i am happy with my DS and i am anticipating the release of about 11-12 games in between Jan-Mar than i am waiting to buy.

We should start to repect each person's opinion a little more. Just becuase someone said something agaisnt the psp or ds doesn't mean we should bash them. Like i said, no console is perfect so we really should go crazy over a release. Give it a couple of months and see the improvements.

[MuGen]

Of course there is always biased opinions... otherwise where would the world be? The world would be a boring place if EVERYONE sided w/ Kerry or Vice Versa. We need opposing sides and sometimes it's a good thing.

My thinking however to resolve any type of issue to pick up both handhelds... that way you dont need to argue about any type of game exclusivity and whatnot.

A game comes out for DS you like...... OH YOU HAVE A DS!
A game comes out for the PSP you like..... OH YOU HAVE A PSP!

Smart thinking in my opinion... I'm not waiting for RE4 to come for the PS2... i'm picking up a Gamecube just for that game... and Chrono Trigger Ressurrection.

[Null]

Yer at first I was thinking that it was a trick. I'm not sure though. It kinda looks like he's just playing it. But it could be.....who knows.


well i can garentee he's not just playing it, he's trying to get that to happen obviously, cuz he's twisting the thing back and forth almost to the point where he can break it to get the thing to open.

my personal only question is whether he's actually upside down or not. i've seen 3 different video's and all are done the EXACT same way, into a pillow. seems very odd to me that none or done zoomed out where you can see everything and watch the disc pop up into the air.