Bonds used steriods

[The Germanator]

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpbmdmam0wBF9TAzI1NjY0ODI1BHNlYwN0bQ--?slug=ap-giants-bonds-steroids&prov=ap&type=lgns

I believe that this completley taints the game and any of the records that Bonds has acheived over these last few years. There should definitely be an asterisk by Bonds' name in the record book, and his Hall of Fame eligibility should be looked out very closely.

I think the more troublesome part is that it's not just Bonds. Some estimate that 50% of all players use steroids, and that just isn't right. It's a bad day for baseball.

[dropCGCF]

Thnaks for the generally accepted for 5 years "news".

But Giambi? Holy crap, who saw that coming?

[GameMaster]

Do you think Barry is telling the truth when he says he didn't know it was steroids?

[Blackmane]

Its hard to say whether or not he knew. For all we know, he could have not known it was steroids. But, that seems a little fishy.

[Typhoid]

OH MY GOD!!

BONDS DID STEROIDS!?!?


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[GameMaster]

Its hard to say whether or not he knew. For all we know, he could have not known it was steroids. But, that seems a little fishy.

Well he didn't take it directly. It was given to him by his trainer. The article says he thought it was arthritis relief and something else too. So you also have to wonder where the trainer got it and whether he knew the truth or not.

[Typhoid]

Well he didn't take it directly. It was given to him by his trainer. The article says he thought it was arthritis relief and something else too. So you also have to wonder where the trainer got it and whether he knew the truth or not.


But thats almost like me getting a gun from my neighbour, shooting someone, and saying that I didnt know it was a real gun, that i thought ti was a toy.

Regardless of what you think, your still guilty.

[Perfect Stu]

Do you think Barry is telling the truth when he says he didn't know it was steroids?

Yep. See, the only reason he kept taking them is because he had so much damn respect for his trainer...it had nothing to do with the fact that it altered his game, enhancing his play, strength, and head size to unnatural proportions.

HELL NO, the man lied.

[Jason1]

Yep. See, the only reason he kept taking them is because he had so much damn respect for his trainer...it had nothing to do with the fact that it altered his game, enhancing his play, strength, and head size to unnatural proportions.

HELL NO, the man lied.

Wow, for a second there I thought you were serious...I was so ready to start a huge argument about that one...

Anyways, I think this is actually more of a good day for baseball...this will help to make it sure no more players use steroids anymore.

Isnt Bond's trainer going to come on TV and list names that he's sold steroids to or something like this?

[Joeiss]

There is more scientifical evidence at the moment that suggests performance enhancing drugs do not enhance a player's ability to hit the ball.

[Perfect Stu]

There is more scientifical evidence at the moment that suggests performance enhancing drugs do not enhance a player's ability to hit the ball.


so?

Barry Bonds is a great baseball player. He's been able to hit the ball his entire life. Everyone knows that.

Over the past few years, he's been able to mis-hit the ball and have it fly 400 feet into the cove. OHHH!!!! That's where the 'performance enhancing drugs' kick in...

If one of us were to take the drugs, it wouldnt help our game much. We still wouldnt be able to hit a 95 mph fastball...but it certainly helps the guys who CAN connect.

[Blackmane]

According to the article, the trainer told Barry that the steroids were something to help him perform better. So, why should he have questioned the fact that he was performing better? He could have just thought that it was doing it's job.

Has Barry been tested before for drug use?

[jeepnut]

According to the article, the trainer told Barry that the steroids were something to help him perform better. So, why should he have questioned the fact that he was performing better? He could have just thought that it was doing it's job.

Has Barry been tested before for drug use?

If I remember correctly, testing is not required by MLB.

[Joeiss]

If I remember correctly, testing is not required by MLB.

Incorrect. MLB holds "random" drug tests. However, the randomness is hardly random at all, usually the tests are done during the preseason and the preseason only. But, I think Bonds tested negative on a test during September one year, but I forget.

[jeepnut]

Incorrect. MLB holds "random" drug tests. However, the randomness is hardly random at all, usually the tests are done during the preseason and the preseason only. But, I think Bonds tested negative on a test during September one year, but I forget.

Well, there you have it then. Never underestimate the power of false information to draw out the truth!

[Jason1]

Incorrect. MLB holds "random" drug tests. However, the randomness is hardly random at all, usually the tests are done during the preseason and the preseason only. But, I think Bonds tested negative on a test during September one year, but I forget.


Correct, althogh you failed to mention that MLB just started doing this testing for the 2003 season I believe. They didnt test at all before that.

[KillerGremlin]

I think it will be more interesting to see how the news of steroid use affects the playing of Bonds and Giambi.

After Sosa's corked-bat "incident" happened, he lost all ability to hit anything but air.

[GameKinG]

Well, I have never liked Bonds, but he doesn't to have a footnote placed by his record. Even Babe used a cork bat sometimes.

Then again, corked bats might not have been against the rules back then. Im not sure.

[KillerGremlin]

It's funny, because a corked bat does very little in helping you hit the ball.

You would have much more success if you found a way to make contact with the ball longer, because as everyone should know, the longer the ball and the bat remain in contact the farther the ball will go, with not nearly as much emphasis on the bat's weight.

[Joeiss]

Correct, althogh you failed to mention that MLB just started doing this testing for the 2003 season I believe. They didnt test at all before that.

My bad, thanks for the info. I was unaware of that. However, in Bond's testimony, I believe he said he took the clear cream in either 2002 or 2003, so the test should have cought it anyways.

I think it will be more interesting to see how the news of steroid use affects the playing of Bonds and Giambi.

After Sosa's corked-bat "incident" happened, he lost all ability to hit anything but air.

The effects from the steroids on Giambi will definitely be seen. Why? Because he is now sick. You cannot play well when you are sick. Also, when Giambi was indicted, he lost 20-30 pounds. When Bonds was indicted, his weight stayed the same. I think this shows that Giambi is definitely more guilty than Bonds, if Bonds is even guilty at all.

Well, I have never liked Bonds, but he doesn't to have a footnote placed by his record. Even Babe used a cork bat sometimes.

Then again, corked bats might not have been against the rules back then. Im not sure.

Back in the day, the balls were also corked. I believe it was refered to as "juiced" balls.

so?

Barry Bonds is a great baseball player. He's been able to hit the ball his entire life. Everyone knows that.

Over the past few years, he's been able to mis-hit the ball and have it fly 400 feet into the cove. OHHH!!!! That's where the 'performance enhancing drugs' kick in...

If one of us were to take the drugs, it wouldnt help our game much. We still wouldnt be able to hit a 95 mph fastball...but it certainly helps the guys who CAN connect.

Stu, steroids still won't have any effect on connecting with the ball, however; there is an advantage.

In a recent interview with ESPN.com, Hank Aaron describes the added advantage of recooperating, which steroids brings to those who use it.

From ESPN.com:
"The only person who can do that is the good Lord. But, at that age [40], you have to ask: Did he accomplish all of this by rejuvenating his strength from day to day with those substances? I know that when you reach a certain age, you just don't bounce back as quickly as you think you can when you're playing all of those games.


"Drugs won't help you hit the ball. But can they make you recuperate consistently enough to hit the kind of home runs that these guys are hitting?"


Aaron paused, sighed and added, "Let me say this. Any way you look at it, it's wrong."

So as you can see, steroids do nothing for hitting the ball, which I know that you know Stu, but I don't think many others realize this fact. But you are right that it brings an advantage, Stu. Bonds, if proven guilty, had the power of advanced recuperation on his side.

[GameKinG]

I heard this stat on the news earlier.

It was something like...before 2000, barry never hit a homer longer than 450 feet. Since then, he has hit 21 homers longer than that.