Xbox 2 will run the tables

[Neo]

I think Microsoft will likely edge out Sony in the next generation. Sony has had the advantage of being the "cool" system and the only real alternative to Nintendo. I think culturally Xbox has taken over the role of the "coolest" console. You're more likely to hear the word Xbox on tv or printed media than you are Playstation. Plus Xbox Live is really up and coming. Games like Halo 2 are suckering mass quantities of gamers into an online realm that Sony can't effectively compete with due to their allowance of 56kers. Nintendo will not be able to shed its kiddy image no matter what innovations they pull out of their hat (or out of anywhere else). I sense kids are almost embarrassed to say they have a Nintendo instead of a Playstation or Xbox.

Though concerning Revolution - what are your thoughts on what their innovation is going to be? Reggie's comments about how systems always involve a controller tethered to a console leads me to think they may go for wireless standard. I can't see anything other than a VR headset being more than a gimmick. A built-in camera would be cool but hardly a revolution. Nintendo needs to face the facts and realize they will always be #3.

[Crono]

I think you have a good point Neo. Xbox Live has been and will be a determining factor for people buying Xbox's, and I'm positive that it will carry on to the next generation. As for Nintendo, they should really just forget a new console and become a third party developer.

[Null]

I think Microsoft will likely edge out Sony in the next generation. Sony has had the advantage of being the "cool" system and the only real alternative to Nintendo. I think culturally Xbox has taken over the role of the "coolest" console. You're more likely to hear the word Xbox on tv or printed media than you are Playstation. Plus Xbox Live is really up and coming. Games like Halo 2 are suckering mass quantities of gamers into an online realm that Sony can't effectively compete with due to their allowance of 56kers. Nintendo will not be able to shed its kiddy image no matter what innovations they pull out of their hat (or out of anywhere else). I sense kids are almost embarrassed to say they have a Nintendo instead of a Playstation or Xbox.

Though concerning Revolution - what are your thoughts on what their innovation is going to be? Reggie's comments about how systems always involve a controller tethered to a console leads to think they may go for wireless standard. I can't see anything other that a VR headset being more than a gimmick. A built-in camera would be cool but hardly a revolution. Nintendo needs to face the facts and realize they will always be #3.


I dissagree. PS2 is still selling more then Xbox, and its very clear PS3 is going to have quite a big lead next gen also. The gap will be closer but theres absolutly no chance of MS overtaking em.

And sony allowing 56k connections actually allows them to reach MORE people than MS can with BB only. allowing 56 does not hurt them in anyway unless its a game where everyone syncs up together, and i dont know if they're are any of thoes.

Only thing keeping sony back in the online game is the lack of a must have online title. (plus that since it didnt come with an online adapter people had to buy one seperate)
That wont be an issue next gen, sony should have a network adapter, HD Built in, and an xbox live type service to log onto. (hopfully free)

Nintendo i dont have any hope for, they just dont understand the industry anymore. they dont understand what people want. Its like they're living in thier own little world.

Next gen...
Sony with a big lead as usual.
MS catching up but not there yet.
Nintendo way behind.

[Perfect Stu]

I dont know which will be the most successful system next gen, but right now:

-more people play SOCOM online (PS2) than there are active XBox Live users
-PS2 continues to outsell its competition, whether it's the "cool" system or not

[Neo]

Good point about the 56k. I suppose if you are in fact a broadband gamer you would rather have a system which doesn't allow people to dial in. Current news says Xbox 2 is coming out before PS3, right?

[Ginkasa]

As for Nintendo, they should really just forget a new console and become a third party developer.


When hell freezes over and angels have streaking parties down on Earth. While I'm sure Nintendo would like to be leading both Sony and Microsoft, its hardly a requirement for them to stay in the console business.

I would actually think it more likely for Nintendo to become kind of more like a "toy" company and have their consoles and games much cheaper (and perhaps less sophisticated technologically), and focus entirely on their first party titles. Any game released by third parties would have to approved directly by Nintendo (like how they ran things in the NES days).

Nintendo has said several times how the day they leave the console business is the day they leave the video game business, and I just can't see them ever doing that permanently. Not anytime soon, anyway. Even if they become just "that small company with the little known company that makes some quirky games," Nintendo will always be around in the video game industry.

I think.


*shrugs and walks away*

Edit:

Good point about the 56k. I suppose if you are in fact a broadband gamer you would rather have a system which doesn't allow people to dial in. Current news says Xbox 2 is coming out before PS3, right?

I doubt XBox 2 coming out first will help them all that much. Remember, both the Sega Saturn and Dreamcast were rushed out of the gates, and both pretty much failed miserably.

Sure, the XBox has been very sucessful, but so was the Genesis before the Saturn (although all those funky peripherals probably didn't help Sega much).


*shrugs and walks away again*

[Null]

Good point about the 56k. I suppose if you are in fact a broadband gamer you would rather have a system which doesn't allow people to dial in. Current news says Xbox 2 is coming out before PS3, right?


Most broadband players dont care either way. its only choppy or laggy for the person on 56k, everyone else would be just fine.
its not a system that they're dialing into. once they're connected to the internet, its exactly the same as broadband. just slower. they'd then log into the server just as brandband users log in, just....slower.

there are times i wish i didnt see 56k users tho when playin a game. i will be smooth as most BB users are, then a 56k user comes and you can actually see him move choppy across the screen. problem is when that helps him out. you had a clean shot and when you fire he warps over the left and your shot doesnt count.
that doesnt happen too often tho so i really dont care. i just aim again and fire.



and yea. if they get it how they're planning. Xbox will be released later 2005 while PS2 i'd think Mid 2006.

which doesnt mean its a good thing. it all depends on how sony plays it. if they start releasing info and getting the hype up just before xbox2 gets released, it will pull people away who want to wait for something better.
(note i dont know if it would be better, but that would be what Sony would hype it as obviously)



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I doubt XBox 2 coming out first will help them all that much. Remember, both the Sega Saturn and Dreamcast were rushed out of the gates, and both pretty much failed miserably.

yes but that also has to do that Sega was coming off other failed systems and they were on a downward hill.
MS is on an upward hill.

IMO it all depends on Sony as to how good it ends up for MS releasing early.



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And also, MS better really make sure thier hardware isnt too far behind Sonys when releasing early. MS has made such a big deal about being the most powerful console that it could REALLY hurt them to have the PS3 as the most powerful next gen.

[DarkMaster]

Nintendo has said several times how the day they leave the console business is the day they leave the video game business, and I just can't see them ever doing that permanently. Not anytime soon, anyway. Even if they become just "that small company with the little known company that makes some quirky games," Nintendo will always be around in the video game industry.
Shinji Makami also said that RE4 would never be available on any other system besides the GCN or he'd cut off his head. Nothing is ever impossible in this industry. How many people thought the Square Enix merger would never happen? It happened. And how many people thought that Sony would never dethrone Nintendo in the console market? It happened. Just because Nintendo says they'll never go to third party, doesn't mean it won't happen. If they ever decided to simply go out of business because they weren't making anymore profit in the console market, they'd be the stupidest god damn company to ever exist.

The Revolution better be one hell of a REVOLUTION, cause the same old tried and true formula of continually relying on Mario and Zelda franchises is not going to cut it anymore. But for Sony and Microsoft, they merely have to release a new console with great new graphics and some cool features in order to be successful. Nobody expects a revolution from them, nor do they need one. The pressure is on Nintendo next gen, and if you ask me, it's do or die for them this time.

[Jonbo298]

Shinji Makami also said that RE4 would never be available on any other system besides the GCN or he'd cut off his head.

To add to it for the ill-informed, when the PS2 port starts, alot of the GCN developers won't be around at Capcom because it wasn't their decision. Capcom and its shareholders FORCED them to make a PS2 port, thus angering alot of the makers of RE4 thus they are leaving Capcom after the GCN version is done.

But as for next gen. I don't care who's on top. 3 companies can survive. If Nintendo bow's out of the video game business, I will also because all there ever is today is blood and violence in games. When's the last time I could sit down and enjoy a game without either hurting someone or shooting them to death?

I don't like the direction of the console market. Sony wants their things to be all in one devices that costs a sh*t ton of money to make and Microsoft wants an all in one PC that costs a sh*t ton to make. I want to play games. Not watch DVD's or do my reports on my VIDEO GAME CONSOLE. Give me a console stripped of all features except playing games only and I'll buy it.

I hope Nintendo doesn't start going that route. I hate paying more then $200 for a console just because they throw in stuff I don't want. I want to play games. Sony doesn't know its console gamers neither does MS. Give your flaming opinion to me, I know its coming. Hell, lately companies rather listen to its Shareholders then the people who buy the things.

[Null]

3 consoles can survive 1 gen, maybe 2. but the same 3 cant continue to service generation after generation. the lowest one would just continue to lose people to one of the top 2.

And sony has added nothing to any console of thiers that adds money to the cost. and you dont even know what the PS3 will have. likewise neither has MS added any unnessisary things that add cost.

if your talking about playing DVD movies, that didnt add anything to the price, and they'd of been moronic not to enclude the DVD players. they already had the DVD drives. to play movies was just a simple little program.

And if all your ever seeing in video games is blood and voilence, i suggest you really open your eyes and look past nintendo. because i have no problem finding such games on ANY platform. only difference is maybe on the other platforms they're harder to find because of the larger libraries ;)

[DarkMaster]

Labelling Microsoft and Sony games as nothing but blood and violence is the same as calling Nintendo kiddy. Each console has its fair share of every type of game, and anyone who buys games JUST because of blood and violence is a dumb jackass who we shouldn't even care about.

And by the way, Makami and his team aren't leaving Capcom. They considered joining a subsidary company called Clover Studios, which is still owned and funded by Capcom. They would have a bit more freedom, but nothing drastic. And Makami has stated that he and his team are not angry, they realize it was a business decision and a wise one at that to port RE4, that's just life.

[Joeiss]

I hope Nintendo doesn't start going that route. I hate paying more then $200 for a console just because they throw in stuff I don't want. I want to play games. Sony doesn't know its console gamers neither does MS. Give your flaming opinion to me, I know its coming. Hell, lately companies rather listen to its Shareholders then the people who buy the things.


They throw stuff in there that you don't want? Well guess what, the rest of the buyers want it, and if they didn't, then Nintendo would be leading this generation, wouldn't they? Companies cannot adjust to fit a single person's need, Jobo.

[Jonbo298]

I know they can't conform to everyone's needs. If next gen consoles are filled with junk, I won't be buying anything. I don't care who's it is. If Nintendo decides to follow Sony and MS and cram things into it, then I personally won't be buying anything. If it adds to games but doesn't make the price go high (ie: built in HD and ethernet port) then I may consider them if it doesn't cause hte price to jump high.

[TheGame]

I can't say with confidence that Xbox 2 will be much competition to Ps3 next gen, but I can say with confidence that Nintendo is doomed. Gamecube was so full of false hope and promises that no matter what they say about their next console I can imagine it ending up being crap. Maybe that's just me.

[DarkMaster]

You know, you really shouldn't be blaming Sony and Microsoft for adding more stuff to their products. People buy it, they make more money, that's how it works. If you want to blame someone, blame the gamers who mindlessly go out and drop tons of cash on anything new and popular. Sony and Mircosoft are just preforming smart business.

It's like democracy, biggest flaw is that the majority of people are stupid.

[Ginkasa]

Has Nintendo been losing money? Are they struggling to survive? Are they even anywhere near struggling?

'Cause personally, I don't see how we can call Nintendo doomed if they aren't. I pretty sure they're still making a profit, if not as large a one as Sony and Microsoft. As long as they're still making a profit, they'll still be around. Maybe they'll be having trouble in a couple of generations, but certainly not the next one.

Besides, companies have come and gone in the video game industry, except for one: Nintendo. Sony's only been in here since the last generation. Microsoft is still, technically, new (console anyway). Nintendo's been around since the 80's. You don't stay this long and make plans for another five years or so unless you have the money and fanbase to do it. Nintendo may not have the largest fanbase, but it has one. Nintendo will still be here for a while yet, if not indefinetely.


*shrugs and walks away*

[TheGame]

Oh, I didn't mean doomed to die off due to their lagging preformance. I mean doomed as in they have no chance of ever being on top again.

[Null]

Problem is, if they continue to lose userbase each generation, how long can they continue to make a profit? Every Generation you hear more and more people saying, im done with nintendo, im getting a (blank)... but you hear far less saying im done with (blank), im getting a nintendo. And now they are in serious threat of having strong competition in the market they held with an iron fist. (handheld)


Sega was around since the 80's too, they had plans, but things change. I dont see nintendo turning this around anytime soon, they are sliding down a hill with nothing to grab onto.

[Crono]

One thing that I think will help Nintendo is having an online thing like Live. I dont know how many timest his has been said, but how many people would love playing their favourite Nintendo games online? Stuff like Mario Kart, Mario Golf, Mario Party, Smash Bros, etc, anything, even something like Pokemon, would attract a lot more customers, I think.


But right now I have no plans on getting the next Nintendo system, I actually considered selling my GCN a few times, the only thing holding me back is the new Zelda.

[Jonbo298]

I want an online SSB:M and Mario Party :(

[Joeiss]

online version of pokemon with voice chat. that is all i want.

[Acebot44]

online version of pokemon with voice chat. that is all i want.

Ditto.

[Jason1]

Honestly, Nintendo just needs to get their heads out of thier asses, make online gaming a reality on their next console, and stop catering so much to the younger audience. The new Zelda for Gamecube is a start, now they need to continue going in that direction.

That and Revolution cant look like a purple purse. That, IMO, hurt Gamecube possibly more than anything else. Older gamers saw a console that looked like that, and quickly dismissed it as being "the one for kids".

Im not saying Nintendo should just totally copy what Sony and MS are doing, but they should at least start moving in their direction. I think Nintendo is just a few smart busniess moves away from again competing in the industry.

Besides, its not really as bad as some of you make it out to be. I mean, hasnt the Gamecube still sold more units than Xbox worldwide, albiet barely? That and we cant forget the DS, which is obviously selling through the roof. Dont crap yourselves people. Nintendo isnt going anywhere.

[Null]

Nintendo doesnt understand the north america audience, hence the purple cube. things like that may fly in japan, they dont in other places.

MS and Sony have a much better understanding of other market places which is extremely noticable in things like thier advertising.

and DS will sell well, i wont do better then GBA, plus it now has to share the marketplace with a good competitor. selling good or not, it hurts nintendo to lose any of the handheld market to sony.

[Jonbo298]

It's a given Sony will take a part of the handheld market. It's the first time in years that there has been serious competition for Nintendo in the handheld market that can take a chunk. It's like when Microsoft came into the console world, they were gonna take a chunk away from Sony and Nintendo.

But I think Nintendo will learn from any introduced mistakes this generation. They did good for a first disc based system but there can be improvements. Mainly an online setup similar to Xbox Live with say a yearly fee of $50 or something for good stable and fast servers.

As for Microsoft, they can do what they like

[Canyarion]

It's like democracy, biggest flaw is that the majority of people are stupid.Like in the States? ;)One thing that I think will help Nintendo is having an online thing like Live. ... Stuff like Mario Kart, Mario Golf, Mario Party, Smash Bros, etc, anything, even something like Pokemon, would attract a lot more customers, I think.Yup, I agree. It just looks a little sad to see that more than half of those titles have 'Mario' in it. :p
online version of pokemon with voice chat. that is all i want.It's funny how that wish has changed over the years. First it was "A GameCube Pokémon game", then "An online Pokémon game" and now it's "An online Pokémon game with voice chat". ;)I think Nintendo is just a few smart busniess moves away from again competing in the industry.Exactly.
1 word: motion sensing. (ok, that was more like 3 words)
Nintendo is working on this. If they can implement it into the new controller, it will really revolutionize the way we control games.
Sure, to Null, I mean to some it will just be a gimmick (;)), but I think it's a great idea. Nintendo will have the only console that lets you control VR-style. Imagine playing a FPS, you could aim by pointing the controller.

Add online play, some killer apps for all ages and Nintendo is ready to take over the second place. :)

[Jonbo298]

I think the only problem Nintendo might run into if they made something good like the VR'ish idea is that people will call it a gimmick, developers will go "boo hoo, I dont want to spend extra time making a game with VR. I want to make it on a standard boring controller". Then a year later, Sony releases a VR'ish controller/console, everyone goes "OMG, lololz, Its teh gr8tEst th1NG knownz toez manzzz,lolol" and developers start hopping on it until MS releases it too.

:p :D

[Null]

I think the only problem Nintendo might run into if they made something good like the VR'ish idea is that people will call it a gimmick, developers will go "boo hoo, I dont want to spend extra time making a game with VR. I want to make it on a standard boring controller". Then a year later, Sony releases a VR'ish controller/console, everyone goes "OMG, lololz, Its teh gr8tEst th1NG knownz toez manzzz,lolol" and developers start hopping on it until MS releases it too.

:p :D



prolly cuz when Nintendo made it, you had to have connectivity with your shoe lace. Then when Sony made the idea they listened to people and made it with online support.

:p :D ;)

[Joeiss]

It's funny how that wish has changed over the years. First it was "A GameCube Pokémon game", then "An online Pokémon game" and now it's "An online Pokémon game with voice chat".

lol. Well I wouldn't want a gamecube game in the next generation, and I wouldn't want an online game without voicechat because it ****ing rocks with voice chat. So there better be an online voice chat pokemon game@!!!!!!!!! RPG, that is.

[DarkMaster]

The new PSM has PS3 info.

* The PS3 has features that a PC just can't simulate - mostly graphical features.
* They arn't exagerating like they did with Toy Story graphics.
* EA will have something to illustrate the PS3 the minute Sony shows the hardware; people might think PS3 Madden will be the new benchmark for visuals.
* The PS3 is still on a 2006 U.S. release schedule.
* High capacity Memory Sticks have been discussed for PS3.
* PS3 controllers will be different, but the ports will be backwards compatible.
* It will have an advanced EyeToy built-in that can "see" in the 3D and do facial recognition, as well as be able to load games based on who it sees sitting in front of it.
* Very possible there could be playable PS3 games at E3.

Coolness.

[Canyarion]

* It will have an advanced EyeToy built-in that can "see" in the 3D and do facial recognition, as well as be able to load games based on who it sees sitting in front of it.Now THAT sounds more like gimmick.
Not that I'm against it, but come on, IF you want the system to load a game for you, you'd want to TELL him that.
Or does it also read your mood? If you smile, it loads a cute platformer. If you look mad, it loads Tekken 5.... :rolleyes:

I wonder how they're gonna build the EyeToy in... in the console itself? Isn't that unpractical? :confused:

[TheGame]

I'm pretty sure they will make it to where you can load manually or by using that feature. I think Eye Toy being built in can't hurt... I'd love to see my mug in a sports game ;)

[Crash]

they are not going to build in a camera in the console, but i bet they put a microphone and camera in the controller....

my console is tucked under my tv, so if they put it in the console, it's going to suck.

They will have a camera and a microphone though,

Nintendo is going to actually put you back into the game, 3d platformer, with you as the main character... next generation is going to be a fun one indeed... Besides, I'm sick of the same old crap....halo 2 is identical to halo 1.... people will eventually get sick of buying that stuff.

think of games more like Police 911 at the arcades, but with free roaming environments, and microphone support...

http://www.arcadeflyers.com/flyers/konami/png/18238901.png

this is the reason reality tv shows are so popular, people are sick of sitcoms about the same crap... I hate reality tv, but i'm just proving a point.

personally, i like the movies that are different, Big fish, Sunshin of the spotless mind, not the same lame crap.

[Null]

they are not going to build in a camera in the console, but i bet they put a microphone and camera in the controller....

Very true, hence the 'controller change' I just hope the controller isnt changed too drastically.

...Besides, I'm sick of the same old crap....halo 2 is identical to halo 1.... people will eventually get sick of buying that stuff.

Also true, which is another of my main reasons for FPS gaming on PC's and why consoles need hard drives for such.
The ability for mods add's more then just new multiplayer modes..... It brings out the CREATIVE side of ordinary people doing it not for money, but for the love of playing something fresh.

I have played so many games that i find original that were just free mods on another game. Eventually thoes start up copies that others sell.
Counter Strike was totally original when it came out as a mod on the Quake engine. its been copied many times since in games like Socom. but when it was made, it wasnt hyped up to be the greatest thing ever, you didnt have to go reserve it for the rush on the holliday season, you didnt have to lay down your wallet to play it. you simply logged on and downloaded it.

I love the mod community on games, original idea's done for gameplay, not money.

Hense why i want consoles to have hard drives, They NEED this. and the game develoeprs need to release tools to help people make these mods for console games like PC games do. Not only do you get an endless flow of creative idea's. its such a great way to help people get into the industry and make a career out of developing games.

[Perfect Stu]

Now THAT sounds more like gimmick.
Not that I'm against it, but come on, IF you want the system to load a game for you, you'd want to TELL him that.
Or does it also read your mood? If you smile, it loads a cute platformer. If you look mad, it loads Tekken 5.... :rolleyes:

I wonder how they're gonna build the EyeToy in... in the console itself? Isn't that unpractical? :confused:


http://www.the44.net/portpics/apparel/haterade2.jpg

[GameMaster]

I want a helmet or pair of goggles that I can wear so I can be completley immersed within the game. Will this be guaranteed to me next generation?

[Joeiss]

is it just me, or are a large majority of GM's posts useless?

Anyways, I can't wait to see what Madden will look like on the next generation consoles, and if I can stick my face in the game in a create-a-player option, that will just be amazing. I would also put pictures of my friends and stuff. That would be super cool.

[Null]

i can garentee you some goggles to wear while you play games. $200 up front, no refunds.

[Swan]

I would put a picture of a kitty :)

[Jason1]

think of games more like Police 911 at the arcades, but with free roaming environments, and microphone support...



I seirously hurt some of my leg muscles playing that game awhile pack. I was seirously limping around for a few days.

Not that the game wasnt fun, it was a damn riot, but my legs just werent ready for all that up-down action...

[GameMaster]

is it just me, or are a large majority of GM's posts useless?


Well I remember at Good Guy's a few years ago they had this goggle headset thing for a Playstation where you peer into it or wear it and you could see the game. It was nice because I couldn't see anything else but the screen so it felt cooler playing the game and I was able to focus better. It was probably some third party product but I still liked it.

[Null]

Well I remember at Good Guy's a few years ago they had this goggle headset thing for a Playstation where you peer into it or wear it and you could see the game. It was nice because I couldn't see anything else but the screen so it felt cooler playing the game and I was able to focus better. It was probably some third party product but I still liked it.

they've sold thoes for a while. you can actually plug a TV into thoes and put the headset on and watch TV with em. lol

they were expensive as hell last time i check tho. some going up over $1000

[Swan]

they've sold thoes for a while. you can actually plug a TV into thoes and put the headset on and watch TV with em. lol

they were expensive as hell last time i check tho. some going up over $1000
Really, imagine, you could be in the pron...I mean...in the, uh, blast! what do kids watch nowadays. The flimpsons?

*runs off*

[Canyarion]

You talking about Sony's Triniton??

And Stu, I meant what I said and no, I'm not really jealous. :)

[Perfect Stu]

who said you were jealous?


sounds like someone's trying to hide something...some jealousy, maybe? :cool:

[TheGame]

*slaps everyone who said Halo1 is identical to Halo 2*

As for people getting 'sick of this crap' I haven't seen anything but growth in the games with a ton of sequals that stay true to what made the original fun.

[Ginkasa]

*slaps everyone who said Halo1 is identical to Halo 2*

As for people getting 'sick of this crap' I haven't seen anything but growth in the games with a ton of sequals that stay true to what made the original fun.


Implementing a feature done 6 years ago (dual wielding; Goldeneye...and it might have been done perhaps even before that), and sticking in a car jacking feature is hardly enough to make the game "non-identical." Its fun, but hardly new.

However, I also think that franchises are allowed to pretty much redo the original game once before really doing something new with the license so...


*shrugs and walks away*

[DarkMaster]

Implementing a feature done 6 years ago (dual wielding; Goldeneye...and it might have been done perhaps even before that), and sticking in a car jacking feature is hardly enough to make the game "non-identical." Its fun, but hardly new.
Wow, ok you either haven't played the game, or you missed everything as you went through.

And in those basic terms you use, pretty much every FPS is indentical. The only thing that really sets them apart is design and style.

[Perfect Stu]

I'm betting big bucks that Link has either NEVER touched Halo 2, or played it in a very limited amount of time.

Point? dont even try to judge the game

I havent played it, and I wont.

[Ginkasa]

*has it sitting on his XBox*
*is very far into the single player game*
*feels sorry for Stu's big bucks*

I still think it is very similar to Halo. Single player anyway; perhaps multiplayer has more new stuff than...some other game... The single player, however, has very little different from the original.

But like I said, a series is allowed to redo a game once, IMO, before it starts to get stale. I have no problem with Halo 2 being similar to Halo, just people who like to claim its not.


*shrugs and walks away*

[Perfect Stu]

why'd you buy the game?

[Null]

Prolly to try the game, perhaps he thought he'd like it.

not everyone is blessed with the magical ability to see if games are good or not before buying.

[Jonbo298]

why'd you buy the game?

Because of this thing called Hype ;)

[Ginkasa]

why'd you buy the game?

But like I said, a series is allowed to redo a game once, IMO, before it starts to get stale. I have no problem with Halo 2 being similar to Halo, just people who like to claim its not.

*sigh*

Besides, I don't actually own the original Halo (I only rented), so its not like I bought something I "already have."


*shrugs and walks away*

[TheGame]

Link... I think Halo 2 added MORE than enough to be worthy as a good sequal. I think your problem is you didn't play the first Halo enough. You'd be shocked how many little things you can do in Halo 2 that can't be done in the first Halo. And yes, the gameplay changes aren't extreme, but there is so many little changes everywhere that it hardly feels the same. After you beat Halo 2, rent the first again and beat it... there is much more there than car jacking and dual weilding.

As for adding features that have been in older FPSs... why should that matter? The first Halo got very high marks without those features. Halo made the jump from being a good console FPS in Goldeneye and Perfect Dark's leauge to now being the best home console FPS ever made (imo... and in the opinion of pretty much all the reviewers I've seen)

[DarkMaster]

Link, play Halo2 on xbox live if you can. The single player is fun, but the online is freakin awesome.

[Ginkasa]

Link... I think Halo 2 added MORE than enough to be worthy as a good sequal. I think your problem is you didn't play the first Halo enough. You'd be shocked how many little things you can do in Halo 2 that can't be done in the first Halo. And yes, the gameplay changes aren't extreme, but there is so many little changes everywhere that it hardly feels the same. After you beat Halo 2, rent the first again and beat it... there is much more there than car jacking and dual weilding.

I played Halo. I beat Halo. I replayed some of the levels several times. No, I didn't go over and over it again, but I shouldn't have to do that to notice the "little changes" that apparently differentiate the sequel so much from the original. I believe I played Halo enough (and not all that long ago, either) to be able to notice anything that would make the gameplay experiences hardly the same. I just don't see it.


As for adding features that have been in older FPSs... why should that matter? The first Halo got very high marks without those features. Halo made the jump from being a good console FPS in Goldeneye and Perfect Dark's leauge to now being the best home console FPS ever made (imo... and in the opinion of pretty much all the reviewers I've seen)

It doesn't really matter in itself. I've just seen some people (not necessarily people on this board) make a semi-big deal out of the dual wielding; they proclaimed how cool it was going to be and such. To me, I just didn't see how it was a big deal at all. It is an improvement, and it does add to the game, but it wasn't anything new. It just felt like to me some people were giving Halo more credit for the dual wielding than the game deserved.

And I'd like to play online, but I don't have XBox Live, nor do I really want it. I've never been into multiplayer too much, and going online with a console just seems like too much of a hassle for something I'd only use once in a while.


*shrugs and walks away*

[Canyarion]

You're going to get flamed again. :p

I'm sorry. :(

[Blackmane]

You know, Link has a point....

*jumps in some nearby bushes to hide from the pitchforks*

[Neo]

Halo 2 does feel a lot like the original. You have dual-wielding and car-jacking but that's about it for changes. The environments are upgraded but all the weapons are basically the same and the soundtrack is as uninspired as ever. Halo 2 is more of an expansion pack than an actual sequal.

[Crono]

Halo 2 does feel a lot like the original. You have dual-wielding and car-jacking but that's about it for changes. The environments are upgraded but all the weapons are basically the same and the soundtrack is as uninspired as ever. Halo 2 is more of an expansion pack than an actual sequal.

In that case I am glad that I have not played the original Halo. Everything in Halo 2 was new to me so I am pretty impressed with Halo 2.

[thatmariolover]

I have to heartily agree with Link on this one. The game is very much like the first. I think the only place where those two critical new features are prominant are on Legendary and in multiplayer. Besides that, the single player game was too short and left too much to be answered. As a matter of fact, I'd have to say it's the worst video game ending since Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver. But hey, maybe that's just me.

All around, I'm not dissing Halo 2 at all. It's a good game, and I'll play it for the multiplayer for a long time. But I utterly disagree with the conclusion that Halo 2 is a huge improvement over Halo. There honestly needs to be a v1.1 update that adds the features they removed from the beta builds of Halo 2 (i.e. leaning, going to prone, realistic shadow-casting) available to people on Xbox Live or even in an update disc.

[Null]

Some like Halo, some dont like halo. Both sides really need to deal with that fact and get over it already.

as for updating, consoles arnt really there yet, im hoping for some larger hard drives next gen and maybe they can get workin on patching games and adding features people want.

[DarkMaster]

You know Link, if you're not into multiplayer, you really shouldn't have bought Halo2 :sneaky: Seriously, if there was no live multiplay I would've just rented the game and beat the single player.

Prolly to try the game, perhaps he thought he'd like it.

not everyone is blessed with the magical ability to see if games are good or not before buying.
That is why god created video game rentals.

[Null]

That is why god created video game rentals.


nah, he created game rentals to rip people off. :p

[Jonbo298]

You know Link, if you're not into multiplayer, you really shouldn't have bought Halo2 :sneaky: Seriously, if there was no live multiplay I would've just rented the game and beat the single player.

Then why did people buy Halo 1 if it had no Live multi-play?

[Canyarion]

4 player splitscreen should be fun too.... right? Or perhaps a LAN.

Perhaps I'll get it when it comes out on PC. Of course everyone will curse me for that, because THEN it's an old game. But I don't care.

Oh wait, I want HL2 first.

[Blackmane]

Oh wait, I want HL2 first.

Good man, very good man. I have played both, and I think that HL2 is better anyways. Deathmatch just got released for it and that is a lot of fun.

[DarkMaster]

Then why did people buy Halo 1 if it had no Live multi-play?
Um, because they liked the game? I didn't buy it.